Are you speaking from experience? Have you ever quit smoking for more than 6 months?
Jealousy is not it... smoking is a curse. They put ammonia in cigarettes to make the nicotine effect like a crack hit, and just for that reason alone.
You bastard, you only say 6 months cos you must know I gave up for 5 months last year
Anyway, at the beginning, yes, I DID feel better than smokers and towards the end I DID feel jealous of smokers... so yes, I am speaking from experience and I've had other ex smokers admit the same.
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You bastard, you only say 6 months cos you must know I gave up for 5 months last year
Anyway, at the beginning, yes, I DID feel better than smokers and towards the end I DID feel jealous of smokers... so yes, I am speaking from experience and I've had other ex smokers admit the same.
5 months...oh you were so close. I'm a firm believer that if you can stick something faithfully past 6 months it's golden and for life. I think this is why a lot of women I know (in my experience anyway) quit smoking for good with the baby thing. Do you live in or around smokers? That's what made me relapse every time in the past. That and being drunk around it, after meals was a bitch as well. Now I can't even imagine wanting to do it...just smelling them makes my stomach flip-flop...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
5 months...oh you were so close. I'm a firm believer that if you can stick something faithfully past 6 months it's golden and for life. I think this is why a lot of women I know (in my experience anyway) quit smoking for good with the baby thing. Do you live in or around smokers? That's what made me relapse every time in the past. That and being drunk around it, after meals was a bitch as well. Now I can't even imagine wanting to do it...just smelling them makes my stomach flip-flop...
Yeh, drinking was the worst... and that was WITH the smoking ban. Cos I missed having an excuse to go outside :( . I was the one left minding the bags, coats and seats when everyone else went. You rarely meet people INSIDE now to talk to. So I started smoking spliffs, but then I was having one almost every night, then eventually I had a cigarette when I was drunk so I told myself I was able to smoke when I'm drunk, so then I started drinking just so I could smoke, then I was off work for a week, drinking constantly so smoking constantly... and that was it . After meals or habitual times didn't bother me cos I still took my breaks but just drank water or ate a piece of fruit but STILL went outside for the few minutes. It was the drinking... it was easier in the beginning cos I actually gave up drink for 3 months and those 3 months were a doddle.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
I don't really have a problem with people smoking around me. The only thing I truly hate is that I smell like an ashtray after a night out.
..when you go on a bender...have a shower the next morning and smell your clothes from the night before....that was always nasty. or after showering ...get back into bed and smell your GF's hair still smoky from the bar ugghh..
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
i can't wait for it to pass nationwide...i hate the smell of smoke...i hate SMOKE...i hate smelling like smoke...and i hate breathing SMOKE!
This is what I don't understand. All the people who hate smoking want to rail against people who smoke a legal substance, controlled by the government. Maybe the energy would be more suited to write and start a petition to your governments to stop making the things. Then nobody would feel shunned.
I just took your quote. But I am not using you as an example.
People in this thread wanting no smoking at any bar because they wouldn't want to go to a bar that has smoking. Designed for smokers. Give me a break. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
Yeh, drinking was the worst... and that was WITH the smoking ban. Cos I missed having an excuse to go outside :( . I was the one left minding the bags, coats and seats when everyone else went. You rarely meet people INSIDE now to talk to. So I started smoking spliffs, but then I was having one almost every night, then eventually I had a cigarette when I was drunk so I told myself I was able to smoke when I'm drunk, so then I started drinking just so I could smoke, then I was off work for a week, drinking constantly so smoking constantly... and that was it . After meals or habitual times didn't bother me cos I still took my breaks but just drank water or ate a piece of fruit but STILL went outside for the few minutes. It was the drinking... it was easier in the beginning cos I actually gave up drink for 3 months and those 3 months were a doddle.
It has to practically be treated like a heroin addiction. i.e. new friends, habit's, hang outs etc... it can be so difficult.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
This is what I don't understand. All the people who hate smoking want to rail against people who smoke a legal substance, controlled by the government. Maybe the energy would be more suited to write and start a petition to your governments to stop making the things. Then nobody would feel shunned.
That's like asking the sky to stop raining...
It starts (and ends) with the individual...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
..when you go on a bender...have a shower the next morning and smell your clothes from the night before....that was always nasty. or after showering ...get back into bed and smell your GF's hair still smoky from the bar ugghh..
Nasty indeed... Now since they banned smoking in "youth bars" here, I just smell like beer in the morning, which isn't nice either but at least that horrible smoky stench is gone...
What is your excuse on why there shouldn't be a smokers bar? Everybody in the place would know of the health hazard and would be in their at their own will. As a nonsmoker this would somehow offend you or any other person who dosen't smoke? You would feel compeled to see what you are missing, just to whine about your clothes smelling? I don't get why you people can't fathom a smoking bar for smokers.
What is your excuse on why there shouldn't be a smokers bar?
then you (the government, the law) advocates the harming of the health of bar staff... spend 40 hours in a smoky pub all week and you'll have no need for a pension... just ask Roy Castle
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
then you (the government, the law) advocates the harming of the health of bar staff... spend 40 hours in a smoky pub all week and you'll have no need for a pension... just ask Roy Castle
You know Dunk....I spent a week in Holland where it seemed everybody smoked. It may have just been the bars that I was in, but they had good ventilation that sucked the smoke out of the bar not blow it on you with ceiling fans as we do it here in NA and I didn't smell like smoke once when I left the bars. And I don't smoke and don't really care for smelling like smoke like the rest of the posters. But I also let people smoke in my house. Go figure. You want to be free, you let people be free.
You know Dunk....I spent a week in Holland where it seemed everybody smoked. It may have just been the bars that I was in, but they had good ventilation that sucked the smoke out of the bar not blow it on you with ceiling fans as we do it here in NA and I didn't smell like smoke once when I left the bars. And I don't smoke and don't really care for smelling like smoke like the rest of the posters. But I also let people smoke in my house. Go figure. You want to be free, you let people be free.
Ventilation is a BIG deal, with the proper ventilation I feel the smoking ban would never have needed to be an issue.
I worked in two bars in London as a smoker, one of them I often had to open the doors or even go outside for a bit because of the smoke... the other, you would swear had the smoking ban cos you'd never know anyone was smoking in there at ALL.
I dunno about letting people smoke in your house, that's your prerogative. I rarely smoke in a non smokers house even if they hand me an ashtray, I just can't bring myself to do it so I go outside most of the time.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
It has to practically be treated like a heroin addiction. i.e. new friends, habit's, hang outs etc... it can be so difficult.
I'm not so sure... like I said I kept the habits of going outside at certain times but doing something different or whatever... until I felt silly bringing my cup of water out with me and then I stopped. I could still sit in a room full of people smoking and it wouldn't bother me at all. I didn't like the smell after I gave up but it didn't make me sick or anything. But if I even had a MOUTHFUL of wine, the cravings would start . So if I have to give up drinking in order to quit smoking, that just ain't gonna happen . And lol, I still KINDA kept my friends... although my 'closest' friend and I fell out at the time and haven't really been the same since. She couldn't understand why I wanted to stop going out for a while and she wouldn't do anything that was non drinking with me and she KEPT asking me to the pub so I eventually got really annoyed with her. Everyone else was really supportive and helpful. They were as surprised as anyone when I quit but I actually encouraged quite a few of them to give up (also temporarily) cos they thought 'if SHE can do it... '
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
I have smoked now for 6 years. At times I wish I didnt have the habit, while other situations make me feel glad that I do light-up. Eventually, I think I'll put'em down. Who knows? However, a stiff drink, great music and a good smoke make for a relaxing occasion (depending on if the music's live or not). Tobacco was the back bone of our country for many, many years. At one time it was the life-blood of the town I call home. Should I trade some community loyalty for positive respitory function? I dont know. I just might enjoy a cig while I ponder that thought...
I have smoked now for 6 years. At times I wish I didnt have the habit, while other situations make me feel glad that I do light-up. Eventually, I think I'll put'em down. Who knows? However, a stiff drink, great music and a good smoke make for a relaxing occasion (depending on if the music's live or not). Tobacco was the back bone of our country for many, many years. At one time it was the life-blood of the town I call home. Should I trade some community loyalty for positive respitory function? I dont know. I just might enjoy a cig while I ponder that thought...
dude are you serious? community loyalty over breathing? .......and you dont know? welcome to the train btw.
Why is that odd?? Are native people not like other people...?
It's just odd because they allow smoking in office buildings and restaurants and bingo halls etc. on Native reserves but not on non-native lands.
<argument about the concept of private establishment vs. public bar etc.>
A bar, even a public bar, is a private establishment. It is owned by someone who has been granted a license to serve food and alcohol to the public. In order for these private establishments to meet the health and safety requirements to be allowed to sell food and drink they are subjected to rules and regulations. So...it's NOT a matter of Private vs. public. If being a private bar grants them the ability to decide their own smoking rules, then it would stand they could decide other things like kitchen cleanliness, washing hands, food prep and storage needs, pest control, etc. etc. Obviously, private bars and restaurants need to adhere to the standards for such issues and smoking is just one of those issues. Otherwise they will be shut down temporarily or permanently. Please, it does NOT matter private or public....standards must be met by all.
I don't get why you people can't fathom a smoking bar for smokers.
This would give an unfair advantage over enforced non-smoking bars. Plus the folks that work there would be subjected to second hand smoke which is a workplace hazard.
You want to be free, you let people be free.
My definition of freedom is: Freedom is the ability to do whatever you want provided you do not infringe on the freedom of others.
So, since the dangers of second hand smoke would infringe on the freedom of others, I don't personally view it as an act of freedom when in the presence of others.
To answer the question "why doesn't the gov't just make smoking illegal altogether if it's so bad for you?"
- tax money
- tobacco economy
- they want to get re-elected and smokers' votes are just as good as non-smokers' votes
- they don't want to police it
Additional rant regarding children:
I personally believe adults should be restricted from smoking when in the presence of children, even in their own home, and ESPECIALLY in a car with children. I cringe whenever I see some trash mom (or dad) smoking like a chimney with her kids strapped in the back seat breathing that pollution in. Sure there is a time and place for smoking, but not in the presence of others, especially children/babies.
This is what I don't understand. All the people who hate smoking want to rail against people who smoke a legal substance, controlled by the government. Maybe the energy would be more suited to write and start a petition to your governments to stop making the things. Then nobody would feel shunned.
I just took your quote. But I am not using you as an example.
People in this thread wanting no smoking at any bar because they wouldn't want to go to a bar that has smoking. Designed for smokers. Give me a break. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
I am going to love going into all the smoke free places (just like when I lived in CT). It is truly awsome.
Nevertheless, I cannot support the rule. If I don't want to eat at a restaurant that allows smoking, that's my business. When smokers get up in arms about some public place disallowing smoking, then screw them (seriously, I don't give two shits about your nic fits). But this is not a public building. It's not our (society's) role to tell them they cannot allow smoking. I intentionally patronize smoke free places more often and appreciate those that have chosen to take on that policy. But it's not appropriate to shove it down their throats.
I cannot come up with a new sig till I get this egg off my face.
Additional rant regarding children:
I personally believe adults should be restricted from smoking when in the presence of children, even in their own home, and ESPECIALLY in a car with children. I cringe whenever I see some trash mom (or dad) smoking like a chimney with her kids strapped in the back seat breathing that pollution in. Sure there is a time and place for smoking, but not in the presence of others, especially children/babies.
absolutely brilliant points
if smokers are stupid enough to want to kill themselves then fine... but innocent children have a far lower lung capacity than adults and so it affects them more.
I hate it when i see selfish fuckers smoking in front of their kids (especially in cars)... i wouldnt snort speed or take acid in front of my kids so why do people think smoking in front of them is ok
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
I am going to love going into all the smoke free places (just like when I lived in CT). It is truly awsome.
Nevertheless, I cannot support the rule. If I don't want to eat at a restaurant that allows smoking, that's my business. When smokers get up in arms about some public place disallowing smoking, then screw them (seriously, I don't give two shits about your nic fits). But this is not a public building. It's not our (society's) role to tell them they cannot allow smoking. I intentionally patronize smoke free places more often and appreciate those that have chosen to take on that policy. But it's not appropriate to shove it down their throats.
selfish cos people dont want to inhale second hand smoke... i think you'll find its smokers* who are selfish
*smokers who think its ok to let others inhale their fumes
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
selfish cos people dont want to inhale second hand smoke... i think you'll find its smokers* who are selfish
*smokers who think its ok to let others inhale their fumes
Maybe so. But I've gone over this with you many times and it seems freedom in this thread has been defined as "everyone is free do do as I (the people who support this ridiculous ban on business owners' rights) wish." That is not freedom to me or to many others. That is where the selfishness is coming through.
I am going to love going into all the smoke free places (just like when I lived in CT). It is truly awsome.
Nevertheless, I cannot support the rule. If I don't want to eat at a restaurant that allows smoking, that's my business. When smokers get up in arms about some public place disallowing smoking, then screw them (seriously, I don't give two shits about your nic fits). But this is not a public building. It's not our (society's) role to tell them they cannot allow smoking. I intentionally patronize smoke free places more often and appreciate those that have chosen to take on that policy. But it's not appropriate to shove it down their throats.
a restaurant is a public building... it has to apply for a licence to serve the public and it also has to adhere to other public laws that accompany running a restaurant.
if we go by others arguments then surely we should allow restauranters the 'right' to serve mouldy chicken to its customers... we should allow restaurants to never clean their toilets... public safety dictates that restaurants must be clean and healthy to serve its purpose and its public
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
a restaurant is a public building... it has to apply for a licence to serve the public and it also has to adhere to other public laws that accompany running a restaurant.
if we go by others arguments then surely we should allow restauranters the 'right' to serve mouldy chicken to its customers... we should allow restaurants to never clean their toilets... public safety dictates that restaurants must be clean and healthy to serve its purpose and its public
I want my damn cut from every restaurant since they are publicly owned. Should I take this to court?
Maybe so. But I've gone over this with you many times and it seems freedom in this thread has been defined as "everyone is free do do as I (the people who support this ridiculous ban on business owners' rights) wish." That is not freedom to me or to many others. That is where the selfishness is coming through.
and i keep saying fuck business owners rights.. the day that business owners pay decent wages to staff, allow them scheduled breaks, dont force people into work on their days off, dont hire immigrants to do the job at half the wages, etc etc etc... is the day that i might listen to their plea's for their rights!
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
ever notice that you always evade the points by replying in the form of a question
What was the point? That the definition of the word "pub" somehow equates to a social mandate on how they should be treated? I responded directly to the point by suggesting similar reasoning -- that the definition of "bar" could then do the same thing.
And please don't accuse me of "evading points" in a post where you cherry pick one of mine among many. If you feel I've evaded something, ask me a direct question and I'll respond to it directly.
I want my damn cut from every restaurant since they are publicly owned. Should I take this to court?
never said they were publicly owned... i said they were public places
i.e. public transport... its there to serve the public... does that give me the right to take the wheels of the bus once i have arrived at my destination? no... silly argument
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
i work in a bar just outside of ne philly where you can smoke, unlike all of the bars inside the city limits. if i had my way, i would take the no smoking. but our business has been better because you cant smoke everywhere else. i hate the smoke, but i love the money
Small my table, seats just 3, its not crowded, its just lucky me
and i keep saying fuck business owners rights.. the day that business owners pay decent wages to staff, allow them scheduled breaks, dont force people into work on their days off, dont hire immigrants to do the job at half the wages, etc etc etc... is the day that i might listen to their plea's for their rights!
What do you contribute to society to earn your rights?
Many business owners do pay decent wages, allow breaks, etc... Do you say fuck them too?
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Anyway, at the beginning, yes, I DID feel better than smokers
Verona??? it's all surmountable
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Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
5 months...oh you were so close. I'm a firm believer that if you can stick something faithfully past 6 months it's golden and for life. I think this is why a lot of women I know (in my experience anyway) quit smoking for good with the baby thing. Do you live in or around smokers? That's what made me relapse every time in the past. That and being drunk around it, after meals was a bitch as well. Now I can't even imagine wanting to do it...just smelling them makes my stomach flip-flop...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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naděje umírá poslední
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
..when you go on a bender...have a shower the next morning and smell your clothes from the night before....that was always nasty. or after showering ...get back into bed and smell your GF's hair still smoky from the bar ugghh..
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
This is what I don't understand. All the people who hate smoking want to rail against people who smoke a legal substance, controlled by the government. Maybe the energy would be more suited to write and start a petition to your governments to stop making the things. Then nobody would feel shunned.
I just took your quote. But I am not using you as an example.
People in this thread wanting no smoking at any bar because they wouldn't want to go to a bar that has smoking. Designed for smokers. Give me a break. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
It has to practically be treated like a heroin addiction. i.e. new friends, habit's, hang outs etc... it can be so difficult.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
That's like asking the sky to stop raining...
It starts (and ends) with the individual...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Nasty indeed... Now since they banned smoking in "youth bars" here, I just smell like beer in the morning, which isn't nice either but at least that horrible smoky stench is gone...
Shower with your girlfriend, problem solved.
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Funny if the stuff isn't made it can't be used.
What is your excuse on why there shouldn't be a smokers bar? Everybody in the place would know of the health hazard and would be in their at their own will. As a nonsmoker this would somehow offend you or any other person who dosen't smoke? You would feel compeled to see what you are missing, just to whine about your clothes smelling? I don't get why you people can't fathom a smoking bar for smokers.
then you (the government, the law) advocates the harming of the health of bar staff... spend 40 hours in a smoky pub all week and you'll have no need for a pension... just ask Roy Castle
You know Dunk....I spent a week in Holland where it seemed everybody smoked. It may have just been the bars that I was in, but they had good ventilation that sucked the smoke out of the bar not blow it on you with ceiling fans as we do it here in NA and I didn't smell like smoke once when I left the bars. And I don't smoke and don't really care for smelling like smoke like the rest of the posters. But I also let people smoke in my house. Go figure. You want to be free, you let people be free.
I worked in two bars in London as a smoker, one of them I often had to open the doors or even go outside for a bit because of the smoke... the other, you would swear had the smoking ban cos you'd never know anyone was smoking in there at ALL.
I dunno about letting people smoke in your house, that's your prerogative. I rarely smoke in a non smokers house even if they hand me an ashtray, I just can't bring myself to do it so I go outside most of the time.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
dude are you serious? community loyalty over breathing? .......and you dont know? welcome to the train btw.
A bar, even a public bar, is a private establishment. It is owned by someone who has been granted a license to serve food and alcohol to the public. In order for these private establishments to meet the health and safety requirements to be allowed to sell food and drink they are subjected to rules and regulations. So...it's NOT a matter of Private vs. public. If being a private bar grants them the ability to decide their own smoking rules, then it would stand they could decide other things like kitchen cleanliness, washing hands, food prep and storage needs, pest control, etc. etc. Obviously, private bars and restaurants need to adhere to the standards for such issues and smoking is just one of those issues. Otherwise they will be shut down temporarily or permanently. Please, it does NOT matter private or public....standards must be met by all.
This would give an unfair advantage over enforced non-smoking bars. Plus the folks that work there would be subjected to second hand smoke which is a workplace hazard.
My definition of freedom is: Freedom is the ability to do whatever you want provided you do not infringe on the freedom of others.
So, since the dangers of second hand smoke would infringe on the freedom of others, I don't personally view it as an act of freedom when in the presence of others.
To answer the question "why doesn't the gov't just make smoking illegal altogether if it's so bad for you?"
- tax money
- tobacco economy
- they want to get re-elected and smokers' votes are just as good as non-smokers' votes
- they don't want to police it
Additional rant regarding children:
I personally believe adults should be restricted from smoking when in the presence of children, even in their own home, and ESPECIALLY in a car with children. I cringe whenever I see some trash mom (or dad) smoking like a chimney with her kids strapped in the back seat breathing that pollution in. Sure there is a time and place for smoking, but not in the presence of others, especially children/babies.
Freedom for many seems to be a very selfish term.
I am going to love going into all the smoke free places (just like when I lived in CT). It is truly awsome.
Nevertheless, I cannot support the rule. If I don't want to eat at a restaurant that allows smoking, that's my business. When smokers get up in arms about some public place disallowing smoking, then screw them (seriously, I don't give two shits about your nic fits). But this is not a public building. It's not our (society's) role to tell them they cannot allow smoking. I intentionally patronize smoke free places more often and appreciate those that have chosen to take on that policy. But it's not appropriate to shove it down their throats.
absolutely brilliant points
if smokers are stupid enough to want to kill themselves then fine... but innocent children have a far lower lung capacity than adults and so it affects them more.
I hate it when i see selfish fuckers smoking in front of their kids (especially in cars)... i wouldnt snort speed or take acid in front of my kids so why do people think smoking in front of them is ok
Very good post.
selfish cos people dont want to inhale second hand smoke... i think you'll find its smokers* who are selfish
*smokers who think its ok to let others inhale their fumes
Maybe so. But I've gone over this with you many times and it seems freedom in this thread has been defined as "everyone is free do do as I (the people who support this ridiculous ban on business owners' rights) wish." That is not freedom to me or to many others. That is where the selfishness is coming through.
a restaurant is a public building... it has to apply for a licence to serve the public and it also has to adhere to other public laws that accompany running a restaurant.
if we go by others arguments then surely we should allow restauranters the 'right' to serve mouldy chicken to its customers... we should allow restaurants to never clean their toilets... public safety dictates that restaurants must be clean and healthy to serve its purpose and its public
I want my damn cut from every restaurant since they are publicly owned. Should I take this to court?
and i keep saying fuck business owners rights.. the day that business owners pay decent wages to staff, allow them scheduled breaks, dont force people into work on their days off, dont hire immigrants to do the job at half the wages, etc etc etc... is the day that i might listen to their plea's for their rights!
What was the point? That the definition of the word "pub" somehow equates to a social mandate on how they should be treated? I responded directly to the point by suggesting similar reasoning -- that the definition of "bar" could then do the same thing.
And please don't accuse me of "evading points" in a post where you cherry pick one of mine among many. If you feel I've evaded something, ask me a direct question and I'll respond to it directly.
never said they were publicly owned... i said they were public places
i.e. public transport... its there to serve the public... does that give me the right to take the wheels of the bus once i have arrived at my destination? no... silly argument
What do you contribute to society to earn your rights?
Many business owners do pay decent wages, allow breaks, etc... Do you say fuck them too?