No Smoking in Bars.....

RockinInCanada

Enacted into law in my home province a few years ago...best thing ever had done...PLUS....it went against the common perception that bar/restaurant owners always say..."we will lose business"....sorry folks once again stats from they very same business owners showed over a period a year following a few months of decreased attendance....the amount of business went up....its a good law and should be enforced everywhere IMHO.....

dunkman

farfromglorified wrote:

To say that a bar is a "public place" is to say that everyone has a right to the property in that bar. Tell me, do you think you should be able to walk into a bar, grab a glass, and drink your fill? Is that your right?

so when you use 'public transport' does that give me the right to get on for free... and then remove the wheels once i have reached my destination?

what a strange concept of the word 'public' you must have

gue_barium

dunkman wrote:

so when you use 'public transport' does that give me the right to get on for free... and then remove the wheels once i have reached my destination?

what a strange concept of the word 'public' you must have

He's goofy that way. That's his trademark.

gue_barium

Derrick wrote:

These are the times when it would be cool to be able to fart on demand.

I kid I kid. And yes this is stupid. Some people cake that shit on so it will last the whole day. My company has a perfume policy in the office and a general smell policy (thank god). If you reek of perfume you are asked to wash some of it off or go home for the day. As well, if you stink of BO, HR will give you a mini-deodorant stick to use or will send you home for the day. They also will then make you attend a session on proper business etiquette in terms of attire and personal presentation. This is actually very helpful for some of the landed immigrant workers or even the development/tech guys.

I was handed a razor at my workplace a couple of times. Clean-shaven was policy, and I had to go to the bathroom and do the deed. Fucking government!

And that is government, FFG.

floyd1975

gue_barium wrote:

I was handed a razor at my workplace a couple of times. Clean-shaven was policy, and I had to go to the bathroom and do the deed. Fucking government!

And that is government, FFG.

Could you have quit?

kdpjam

a bar isn't a library. so glad i moved to newport. as long as there is a place, outside or proper ventilation, smoke it !!!!!!

floyd1975

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

Enacted into law in my home province a few years ago...best thing ever had done...PLUS....it went against the common perception that bar/restaurant owners always say..."we will lose business"....sorry folks once again stats from they very same business owners showed over a period a year following a few months of decreased attendance....the amount of business went up....its a good law and should be enforced everywhere IMHO.....

Banning loud obnoxious people from the bars would be a good law too. So would banning perfume and cologne since some people may have asthma attacks from the stench.

I don't agree with these statements. I am just carrying on the "good law" logic.

farfromglorified

gue_barium wrote:

I was handed a razor at my workplace a couple of times. Clean-shaven was policy, and I had to go to the bathroom and do the deed. Fucking government!

And that is government, FFG.

It certainly is a form of government.

Now, what would have happened if you didn't shave?

Kushikushun

I have asthma and I like to go out with my friends or attend PJ concerts...and it just is fucked up to tell you the truth. I do not understand why people say I should not go to a bar if I dont want to inhale smoke...where does that leave my freedom? Should I just sit on a couch every day? I do go out and dont complain to anyone about it, but it takes me about a week to get my longues sorted again.
I know its not your fault, but can you be helpful, social and compassionate maybe...just maybe?

Here in Holland you can smoke in all bars and restaurants and indoor concerts and stuff. So I guess I just do not have a choice then...?!!

I really wish people wouldnt smoke on concerts, it makes it so much harder for me to enjoy it fully bc I feel sick. I wish Ed would set an example...but hee then he would have to stop handing the wine bottle over too. So, I'll just sit it out in June and recover in July :(

Derrick wrote:

Oddly enough, if you go to a restaurant or bingo hall on a Native Reserve, they allow smoking.

Why is that odd?? Are native people not like other people...?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

jlew24asu wrote:

seems that sooner or later this will be a law enacted across the country. how do people feel about his? is it this a freedom issue? health issue?

other boards have long debates about this. I tend to smoke when I drink so its kinda tough to not be able to at a bar. but I very much encourage this law for the simple fact that second hand smoke does kill. but this is also another thing the government is telling us we cant do. and thoughts?

Ultimately it's a health issue, mainly because the people who are addicted to smoking are not themselves free. They are trapped in a lethal embrace to an addictive substance.

I used to smoke for many years. Now that I'm finally free from it, even the faintest smell of it makes me feel physically ill.

I also now notice how stupid and foolish people look from a distance when they are smoking i.e. either in their cars or walking down the street puffing away.

It's a really disgusting thing to do to yourself if you truly stop and think about it.

It's a curse.

.

jlew24asu

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Ultimately it's a health issue, mainly because the people who are addicted to smoking are not themselves free. They are trapped in a lethal embrace to an addictive substance.

I used to smoke for many years. Now that I'm finally free from it, even the faintest smell of it makes me feel physically ill.

I also now notice how stupid and foolish people look from a distance when they are smoking i.e. either in their cars or walking down the street puffing away.

It's a really disgusting thing to do to yourself if you truly stop and think about it.

It's a curse.

.

nicotine is worse then crack

martina78

even flow? wrote:

So explain to me why you can't smoke on an outdoor patio at the bar. Those with the smoke free lungs can't handle it outside either? Silly rule if you ask me. If the gov't is making huge bucks on making death sticks, people should be able to use them where they want. Bottom line from me.

And yes to smoke filled bars without people complaining about it.

Look, I don't agree with people smoking indoors in an enclosed space, but I'm not anti-smoking, and if you want to smoke I don't care as long as it doesn't affect me. Like I said, here in Ireland most pubs provide sheltered areas where people can smoke and everyone seems ok with that. As for the gov't, I know most politicians are arseholes, but maybe sometimes they are actually doing something for the good of most people.

callen

farfromglorified wrote:

I would agree.

Nearly all the bars and restaurants in my town are non-smoking by choice, not by government fiat. When I smoked, this didn't bug me in the least bit. The forced ban, however, does.

generally no bar wants to be the first...so won't happen unless its legislated....where do you live???

floyd1975

martina78 wrote:

Look, I don't agree with people smoking indoors in an enclosed space, but I'm not anti-smoking, and if you want to smoke I don't care as long as it doesn't affect me. Like I said, here in Ireland most pubs provide sheltered areas where people can smoke and everyone seems ok with that. As for the gov't, I know most politicians are arseholes, but maybe sometimes they are actually doing something for the good of most people.

I don't care if you want to listen to shitty techno music either, as long as it doesn't affect me. I still don't support legislation against deafening music that I hate though. I also don't care if you want to bathe in cologne before going out. I will find another place if there are too many smelly people in a bar. The fact of the matter is, in any of these situations, it is a personal choice as to whether I patronize the business and it is their choice as to whether the want to target me as a customer.

farfromglorified

callen wrote:

generally no bar wants to be the first...so won't happen unless its legislated....where do you live???

Chapel Hill/Carrboro in North Carolina. The vast majority of restaurants here are non-smoking only. The bars are probably 60/40 non-smoking to smoking.

This "no bar wants to be the first" logic is ludicrous. If that logic had any merit, there wouldn't be any bars.

Sludge Factory

zstillings wrote:

I hope they ban perfume and cologne next.

It'll probably be chewing gum first.

callen

farfromglorified wrote:

Chapel Hill/Carrboro in North Carolina. The vast majority of restaurants here are non-smoking only. The bars are probably 60/40 non-smoking to smoking.

This "no bar wants to be the first" logic is ludicrous. If that logic had any merit, there wouldn't be any bars.

theres not one bar in thousands in Houston that are smoke free..none...and its simply because owners don't want to alienate smokers and risk losing business

RockinInCanada

zstillings wrote:

Banning loud obnoxious people from the bars would be a good law too. So would banning perfume and cologne since some people may have asthma attacks from the stench.

I don't agree with these statements. I am just carrying on the "good law" logic.

Obnoxious people however do not lead to a slow death...unless you have stress issues ....as for perfume/cologne I see what you are getting at let me see the evidence saying it leads to the death of people then I will be for it....my point is that it is a health issue...one that has been proven it leads to the illness of those not wishing to partake in the activity....

RockinInCanada

callen wrote:

theres not one bar in thousands in Houston that are smoke free..none...and its simply because owners don't want to alienate smokers and risk losing business

Which is the biggest faux arguement out there...."lose business"....you would be surprised how many smokers no matter how much they initially hate the law learn to not mind it....at least all my smoker friends love the law....at first not but once you get used to it and a nice smoke free bar without a fucking haze hovering around and the fact when you get home your clothes do not stink like smokes....

floyd1975

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

Which is the biggest faux arguement out there...."lose business"....you would be surprised how many smokers no matter how much they initially hate the law learn to not mind it....at least all my smoker friends love the law....at first not but once you get used to it and a nice smoke free bar without a fucking haze hovering around and the fact when you get home your clothes do not stink like smokes....

I have no problem with non smoking establishments at all. I support that choice as well.