No Smoking in Bars.....

Kann

mammasan wrote:

It can easily be argued that there are many people who would prefer a non smoking establishment to a smoking establishment regardless of their proximity to each other.

I meant that your bar may loose customers because they can't smoke there.

surfanddestroy

Dustin51 wrote:

God I can’t believe how many people are so crazy about people not smoking in a bar. Dude it’s a Bar. You people are insane. If someone smoked at my gym I'd have a problem with it. If someone wanted to work out at a bar I guess I wouldn't really have a problem it would be pretty funny actually but it would still be odd. I just don't get it. Why is everyone trippin on a little smoke at a bar? If you don’t want to inhale second hand smoke go to a library.

Why do people think that bars and smoking go hand in hand, A bar is for drinking in not smoking.

dunkman

Dustin51 wrote:

If you don’t want to inhale second hand smoke go to a library.

but i want a drink and put some songs on a jukebox...

if i came into your local bar and covered myself in human shit and then sat next to you... then you'd get the owner to throw me out.... why? cos i smell!!!

welcome to my world... throw out the smokers!! good enough for them

i'm so glad Scotland has this law.... its frickin awesome

mammasan

dunkman wrote:

the government is tasked with looking after the common good of the public... all private business is interfered with to some extent

by your rationale i should be allowed to sell a deranged mental patient with a nazi slogan tattooed on his head a machine gun (if i owned a gun store)... but government 'interference' has made it so that when i check up on this guy it comes up on a computer screen

"do not sell the mad fucker a gun"

but if we go your route then why cant i sell it to him? and maybe throw in some free grenades for him as well!!

No there is a difference. I didn't state there should zero government interferance. obviously selling a gun to a derahged lunatic is something we should prohibit because of publix safety but smoking in bars is not public safety. You don't like to sit in a smokey bar go to one where smoking is prohibited. It's pretty damn simple. I could sit in a bar all day puffing away one cigerette after the other and still would not kill anyone. A derahged lunatic can walk into a gun shop buy a gun and kill multiple people in that one day. Just look at Virginia Tech for example.

Heineken Helen

Oh god, I hate the way this always turns into a business owners rights vs consumers rights :rolleyes:

Fact is, we've had it here for a few years now and it's great. I'm a smoker and its actually much more sociable to go outside cos you get to meet more people, it's like speed dating . I also like how I, as a smoker, don't go home stinking of smoke.

AND the only reason bar owners here lost customers was cos they kept putting the prices of drink up :rolleyes: and then blamed the smoking ban.

surfanddestroy

mammasan wrote:

No there is a difference. I didn't state there should zero government interferance. obviously selling a gun to a derahged lunatic is something we should prohibit because of publix safety but smoking in bars is not public safety. You don't like to sit in a smokey bar go to one where smoking is prohibited. It's pretty damn simple. I could sit in a bar all day puffing away one cigerette after the other and still would not kill anyone. A derahged lunatic can walk into a gun shop buy a gun and kill multiple people in that one day. Just look at Virginia Tech for example.

It's really not that simple, I don't know of one single bar in my area where they have a no smoking ban. Therefore if I want to go out with my friends I have to go somewhere people are smoking.
Bring on the 1st of July when the ban in England will begin.

jeffbr

dunkman wrote:

but i want a drink and put some songs on a jukebox...

if i came into your local bar and covered myself in human shit and then sat next to you... then you'd get the owner to throw me out.... why? cos i smell!!!

welcome to my world... throw out the smokers!! good enough for them

i'm so glad Scotland has this law.... its frickin awesome

Sounds like you've left the issue up to the bar owner in your shit story. That sounds like a perfectly reasonable and rational way to approach the situation.

Mookie Baylock

I've said it many times. Smokers are the most selfish fuckers on the face of the earth. If you want to poison yourselves go ahead, but do it in private, don't fuck up the rest of us because you think you have some god-given right to smoke.

The laws are enacted to protect not only the customers, but the barstaff as well. If you think you stink and feel like shit after spending an hour or two in a smoke filled room, how would you feel after spending 40 hours a week there? Once a bar owner loses a long-term employee to lung cancer, Im sure they will be happy to stop smoking. All businesses are forced to follow various government laws to protect the staff and customers, why should bars be any different?

We've had smoke-free bars for several years where I live and it hasn't hurt their business a bit. The bars seem to be even more lively and packed because people who don't like smoke aren't afraid to come out anymore. And now the smokers get a nice place to socialize with their disgusting friends. The sidewalk! lol

jeffbr

Heineken Helen wrote:

Oh god, I hate the way this always turns into a business owners rights vs consumers rights :rolleyes:

Perhaps there is a reason for that.

mammasan

surfanddestroy wrote:

It's really not that simple, I don't know of one single bar in my area where they have a no smoking ban. Therefore if I want to go out with my friends I have to go somewhere people are smoking.
Bring on the 1st of July when the ban in England will begin.

Well that's your country. There where several bars in my area that where smoking was prohibited prior to the ban taking effect.

dunkman

jeffbr wrote:

Sounds like you've left the issue up to the bar owner in your shit story. That sounds like a perfectly reasonable and rational way to approach the situation.

second hand smoke kills

stinking of shit doesnt


i was pointing out the hypocracy of the statement... people who smoke would try and get me thrown out cos i stink of shit, but smoke is killing people in that very pub... and this is why the government bans smoking and not stinking of shit... which quite rightly gets left to the managers discretion

Dustin51

dunkman wrote:

but i want a drink and put some songs on a jukebox...

if i came into your local bar and covered myself in human shit and then sat next to you... then you'd get the owner to throw me out.... why? cos i smell!!!

welcome to my world... throw out the smokers!! good enough for them

i'm so glad Scotland has this law.... its frickin awesome

Now we're talking...we got a guy working out at the bar, a guy covered in shit, and a bunch of smokers. This is one crazy bar!

mammasan

Mookie Baylock wrote:

I've said it many times. Smokers are the most selfish fuckers on the face of the earth. If you want to poison yourselves go ahead, but do it in private, don't fuck up the rest of us because you think you have some god-given right to smoke.

The laws are enacted to protect not only the customers, but the barstaff as well. If you think you stink and feel like shit after spending an hour or two in a smoke filled room, how would you feel after spending 40 hours a week there? Once a bar owner loses a long-term employee to lung cancer, Im sure they will be happy to stop smoking. All businesses are forced to follow various government laws to protect the staff and customers, why should bars be any different?

We've had smoke-free bars for several years where I live and it hasn't hurt their business a bit. The bars seem to be even more lively and packed because people who don't like smoke aren't afraid to come out anymore. And now the smokers get a nice place to socialize with their disgusting friends. The sidewalk! lol

Way to generalize.

even flow?

Either way you slice the issue, if you are putting up the money to build a bar and want smoking in it. You should be allowed to have that option. Just as the staff and patrons will have the option to work and drink there. Don't like the smoke, just move on down the line.

martina78

Like Scotland and Northern Ireland, we in the Republic have a ban on smoking in the workplace, ie; pubs and restaurants. The ban has been in about 2 years now and like Dunkman said about Scotland it's been a big success. Even smokers think so. Everyone here was pissed off at the idea of being told by the government what to do aswell, but it was, as someone else pointed out for the common good of mainly the employees but in turn the customers. I much prefer to go out now and not stink of smoke the next day, and not be inhaling second hand smoke. Now I'm not quite sure what the situation is certain states of the US, but is it really that big a deal to not smoke in a pub or restaurant? Why should non-smokers who not only work in these establishments but frequent them have to suffer people smoking in their faces? Why get so worked up about it if you don't mind going outside to have a smoke? Just get over it, people here have.

Heineken Helen

Mookie Baylock wrote:

I've said it many times. Smokers are the most selfish fuckers on the face of the earth. If you want to poison yourselves go ahead, but do it in private, don't fuck up the rest of us because you think you have some god-given right to smoke.

The laws are enacted to protect not only the customers, but the barstaff as well. If you think you stink and feel like shit after spending an hour or two in a smoke filled room, how would you feel after spending 40 hours a week there? Once a bar owner loses a long-term employee to lung cancer, Im sure they will be happy to stop smoking. All businesses are forced to follow various government laws to protect the staff and customers, why should bars be any different?

We've had smoke-free bars for several years where I live and it hasn't hurt their business a bit. The bars seem to be even more lively and packed because people who don't like smoke aren't afraid to come out anymore. And now the smokers get a nice place to socialize with their disgusting friends. The sidewalk! lol

Yep and all Americans are wankers Oh no, sorry, it's just you

mammasan

Heineken Helen wrote:

Yep and all Americans are wankers Oh no, sorry, it's just you

It's not Americans it's just those whinny bitch ass non-smokers. Bunch of pussies they are if you ask me.

Kann

martina78 wrote:

Like Scotland and Northern Ireland, we in the Republic have a ban on smoking in the workplace, ie; pubs and restaurants. The ban has been in about 2 years now and like Dunkman said about Scotland it's been a big success. Even smokers think so. Everyone here was pissed off at the idea of being told by the government what to do aswell, but it was, as someone else pointed out for the common good of mainly the employees but in turn the customers. I much prefer to go out now and not stink of smoke the next day, and not be inhaling second hand smoke. Now I'm not quite sure what the situation is certain states of the US, but is it really that big a deal to not smoke in a pub or restaurant? Why should non-smokers who not only work in these establishments but frequent them have to suffer people smoking in their faces? Why get so worked up about it if you don't mind going outside to have a smoke? Just get over it, people here have.

the argument is not over the cigarettes, going out to smoke is not a big deal. the argument is over the government telling us where we can smoke and where we can't.
anyone considered these small steps (public places, bars, workplaces...) are going towards a complete ban of tobacco and rendering cigarettes illegal?

Dustin51

mammasan wrote:

It's not Americans it's just those whinny bitch ass non-smokers. Bunch of pussies they are if you ask me.

I've been fighting the urge to say that. This fuckin thread makes me want to start smoking again.

dcfaithful

Salt Lake City recently has been trying to pass an act that you can't smoke cigarettes in a public park....bullshit.