I'm not so sure... like I said I kept the habits of going outside at certain times but doing something different or whatever... until I felt silly bringing my cup of water out with me and then I stopped. I could still sit in a room full of people smoking and it wouldn't bother me at all. I didn't like the smell after I gave up but it didn't make me sick or anything. But if I even had a MOUTHFUL of wine, the cravings would start . So if I have to give up drinking in order to quit smoking, that just ain't gonna happen . And lol, I still KINDA kept my friends... although my 'closest' friend and I fell out at the time and haven't really been the same since. She couldn't understand why I wanted to stop going out for a while and she wouldn't do anything that was non drinking with me and she KEPT asking me to the pub so I eventually got really annoyed with her. Everyone else was really supportive and helpful. They were as surprised as anyone when I quit but I actually encouraged quite a few of them to give up (also temporarily) cos they thought 'if SHE can do it... '
My take is that the reason the ex smoker is so hyper-sensitive to smoke is because of the physical/chemical imbalances it causes in the brain. Like any highly addictive drug, it rewires the pathways, and the brain must physically heal from these addictions. This can take years. For some crack and heroin addicts this can be as long as 10-15yrs and longer. Cigarettes are actually more addictive than crack and heroin.
Getting second hand smoke or any of the "drug" prevents this healing or readjusting back to a normal state of mind. It depends a lot on the individual . In some cases drastic measures are required for success
If I subjected myself to smoky environments on a regular basis, I can almost guarantee you I would start smoking again.
I am glad certain laws are upheld when sheer common sense is the primary factor so to speak.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
So does working on a fishing boat in the Bering Strait should that be outlawed.
I can get that rare and exotic experience at my local restaurant and bar etc...
incredible
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
now i dont think my habit of sniffing chlorine is illegal... its moronic... but its not illegal, but you all realise that if i went into a pub with a container of chlorine which i had legally acquired i would most likely be arrested or thrown out... why?
cos my chlorine was harming other peoples health.. if i wish to inhale and get fucked up thats my choice, but its not right nor am i free to inflict these deadly fumes on other pub patrons.
for the common good, people... thats the issue here.
people lives will be bettered or even saved as a result of a smoking ban in enclosed public places... and thats fact
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Most public transport is government owned which means it is owned by me.
well why dont you just park the bus outside your house? or remove the nice comfy seats? or just not even pay the fare?
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
now i dont think my habit of sniffing chlorine is illegal... its moronic... but its not illegal, but you all realise that if i went into a pub with a container of chlorine which i had legally acquired i would most likely be arrested or thrown out... why?
cos my chlorine was harming other peoples health.. if i wish to inhale and get fucked up thats my choice, but its not right nor am i free to inflict these deadly fumes on other pub patrons.
for the common good, people... thats the issue here.
people lives will be bettered or even saved as a result of a smoking ban in enclosed public places... and thats fact
Who would arrest you for a container of chlorine? That is absurd.
Forgive me for "whining" about dying, tumors, and cancer because of someone else's uncontrollable addiction.
clothes...lol... you said clothes...
as an Ex smoker I can assure you I am missing nothing... I'm free of that curse... perhaps smokers should be the jealous ones...
So why would you want to go into a smoking bar? The choice would be yours and yours alone. You and some posters seem to be put off that there would be a bar that people have made a conscience choice to be in and because of YOUR health issue you don't want a bar like that to be open. Again, afraid you may be missing out on fun? Or just wanting to shut down the fun you miss out on because of your choice?
Who would arrest you for a container of chlorine? That is absurd.
Actually its a very good analogy. You would be asked to leave, and depending where, the authorities may be tipped off, as it is pretty unusual.
The concept is solid. Substitute a bucket of gasoline then.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
now i dont think my habit of sniffing chlorine is illegal... its moronic... but its not illegal, but you all realise that if i went into a pub with a container of chlorine which i had legally acquired i would most likely be arrested or thrown out... why?
cos my chlorine was harming other peoples health.. if i wish to inhale and get fucked up thats my choice, but its not right nor am i free to inflict these deadly fumes on other pub patrons.
for the common good, people... thats the issue here.
people lives will be bettered or even saved as a result of a smoking ban in enclosed public places... and thats fact
You wouldn't be arrested but you might get thrown out by the owner because it is his decision to make. I have nothing against smoking being banned at bars and resteruants I have a problem with it being forced by the government.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Who would arrest you for a container of chlorine? That is absurd.
Chlorine is a toxic gas that irritates the respiratory system. Because it is heavier than air, it tends to accumulate at the bottom of poorly ventilated spaces. Chlorine gas is a strong oxidizer, which may react with flammable materials.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
I get my use by paying discounted rates. I am not really for government funding of these programs either by the way but that is the difference.
if you own it... why are you paying for it?
i own my guitar, i dont have to pay my wife so i can use it
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
So why would you want to go into a smoking bar? The choice would be yours and yours alone. You and some posters seem to be put off that there would be a bar that people have made a conscience choice to be in and because of YOUR health issue you don't want a bar like that to be open. Again, afraid you may be missing out on fun? Or just wanting to shut down the fun you miss out on because of your choice?
I don't, and I'm glad it isn't a requirement to be forced back to the level of being an addict. If I do hit a smoky club...I don't go back for that reason alone.
Let me restate for the third or fourth time now... Smoking is not "fun" if you think it is....you're either brainwashed or, to be honest, a bit mindfucked.
A little cigarette controls your life...how sad. Is such a little thing you hold in your hand really the boss of you?
Fun is something you do because you want to...not because you have to.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I have nothing against smoking being banned at bars and resteruants I have a problem with it being forced by the government.
do you have an issue with the government forcing restaurant owners to keep fresh produce and meat? cos they do...
do you have an issue with the government forcing a bar owner to ensure that noise at his establishment meets certain laws or criteria... cos they do...
do you have an issue with the government forcing a bar owner to close at a certain time... cos they do.
do you have an issue with the government forcing a bar owner to ensure his establishment has a bathroom.. cos they do
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
do you have an issue with the government forcing restaurant owners to keep fresh produce and meat? cos they do...
do you have an issue with the government forcing a bar owner to ensure that noise at his establishment meets certain laws or criteria... cos they do...
do you have an issue with the government forcing a bar owner to close at a certain time... cos they do.
do you have an issue with the government forcing a bar owner to ensure his establishment has a bathroom.. cos they do
Let me see.
Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes.
If a resturant did not keep fresj produce i wouldn't eat there. I don't need the government to tell me that.
If a bar was too noisy I would ask the owner to do something about it and if he didn't I would orhanize the neighborhood and attempt to disrupt his busniss untill he met neighborhood demands. I don't need the gov ernment to help me there either.
A bar can close and open, or even stay open for 24 fucking hours for all I care.
Finally if an establishment didn't have a bathroom i wouldn't work or be a patron of that establishment. Again don't need the government here either.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
I don't, and I'm glad it isn't a requirement to be forced back to the level of being an addict. If I do hit a smoky club...I don't go back for that reason alone.
Let me restate for the third or fourth time now... Smoking is not "fun" if you think it is....you're either brainwashed or, to be honest, a bit mindfucked.
A little cigarette controls your life...how sad. Is such a little thing you hold in your hand really the boss of you?
Fun is something you do because you want to...not because you have to.
I don't smoke. (quoted once again) I think that if an owner wants to have a smoke filled bar and the people who work and drink in there have weighed the option like grown ups and are still sitting in there, it is nobody's business to say they want is shut down. Must be nice being a quitter of smokes and then wanting to lead the health crusade.
Oh, and I don't smoke!
Plus you still haven't stated aside from the people being in the bar on their own will, and you having a worry for their health, why there shouldn't be a smoking bar. Is that a tougher question then I think it is. So what has you pent up about a smoking bar? Is the smoke going to drift past all the car fumes and get to you as you walk past it on the sidewalk?
If a resturant did not keep fresj produce i wouldn't eat there. I don't need the government to tell me that.
If a bar was too noisy I would ask the owner to do something about it and if he didn't I would orhanize the neighborhood and attempt to disrupt his busniss untill he met neighborhood demands. I don't need the gov ernment to help me there either.
A bar can close and open, or even stay open for 24 fucking hours for all I care.
Finally if an establishment didn't have a bathroom i wouldn't work or be a patron of that establishment. Again don't need the government here either.
If a resturant did not keep fresj produce i wouldn't eat there. I don't need the government to tell me that.
and you'd know the produce was unfresh how exactly? i've just been to Liverpool and i had maybe 3 meals the whole weekend i was there... i've never been there before so i have to presume they are meeting the national standards of food hygiene... are you wanting to wait until people get sick, food poisoning, so you can say... oh wel i'll just not go back there! how odd
If a bar was too noisy I would ask the owner to do something about it and if he didn't I would orhanize the neighborhood and attempt to disrupt his busniss untill he met neighborhood demands. I don't need the gov ernment to help me there either.
never lived across the street from a pub then have you? I once phoned the pub opposite me and asked when the band might stop playing as i was going to work in 5 hours. he told me it was a private party and the band could play "as long as they fucking want"
one phone call and 15 minutes later his pub was closed for the night. had the government no law on noise pollution he could have had his "private party" going on for 47 weeks if he wanted... common sense prevails
A bar can close and open, or even stay open for 24 fucking hours for all I care.
actually as a scotsman i agree with this one
Finally if an establishment didn't have a bathroom i wouldn't work or be a patron of that establishment. Again don't need the government here either.
so members of staff would have to shit and piss somewhere then... and the big pot of soup seems a good place.. or the alley at the side of the place.
government intervention can be a good thing.. it CAN and DOES make sense.. sometimes
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Why because I will not make decisions for you and hold your hand as you walk through life. I believe in a limited government. Problems such as these should be dealth with by the people not government.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
I don't smoke. (quoted once again) I think that if an owner wants to have a smoke filled bar and the people who work and drink in there have weighed the option like grown ups and are still sitting in there, it is nobody's business to say they want is shut down. Must be nice being a quitter of smokes and then wanting to lead the health crusade.
Oh, and I don't smoke!
Plus you still haven't stated aside from the people being in the bar on their own will, and you having a worry for their health, why there shouldn't be a smoking bar. Is that a tougher question then I think it is. So what has you pent up about a smoking bar? Is the smoke going to drift past all the car fumes and get to you as you walk past it on the sidewalk?
Health crusade? ??? The only health I'm concerned about is my own and my blood. I could care less what others do to their own health as long as it does not affect mine. I don't care if you smoke or not...it's not of my concern unless you blow it in my face. Feel free to do whatever you want just not if it affects my life in terms of shortening it.
Car's, factories, pollution...etc...yes why make it even worse again?
Where is the logic?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Why because I will not make decisions for you and hold your hand as you walk through life. I believe in a limited government. Problems such as these should be dealth with by the people not government.
No. Not everyone has the exact same values. You're truly wrong. Go read Lord of the Flies.
and you'd know the produce was unfresh how exactly? i've just been to Liverpool and i had maybe 3 meals the whole weekend i was there... i've never been there before so i have to presume they are meeting the national standards of food hygiene... are you wanting to wait until people get sick, food poisoning, so you can say... oh wel i'll just not go back there! how odd
never lived across the street from a pub then have you? I once phoned the pub opposite me and asked when the band might stop playing as i was going to work in 5 hours. he told me it was a private party and the band could play "as long as they fucking want"
one phone call and 15 minutes later his pub was closed for the night. had the government no law on noise pollution he could have had his "private party" goingon for 47 weeks if he wanted... coomon sense prevails
actually as a scotsman i agree with this one
so members of staff would have to shit and piss somewhere then... and the big pot of soup seems a good place.. or the alley at the side of the place.
government intervention can be a good thing.. it CAN and DOES make sense.. sometimes
It's not that hard to tell if food was not fresh even after it has been cooked, I worked in the resturant business. With fish, poultry and meats the texture and color is different and there is distict smell to it even after it has been cooked. Fruits and vegetables you can't cover up if they are not fresh same with dairy products.
I have lived up the street from two bars.
I knew you would have no problem with my answer on this one.
If you are stupid enough to want to work/drink/eat at an establishment that has no bathroom facilities then that is your problem not mine.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Health crusade? ??? The only health I'm concerned about is my own and my blood. I could care less what others do to their own health as long as it does not affect mine. I don't care if you smoke or not...it's not of my concern unless you blow it in my face. Feel free to do whatever you want just not if it affects my life in terms of shortening it.
Car's, factories, pollution...etc...yes why make it even worse again?
No. Not everyone has the exact same values. You're truly wrong. Go read Lord of the Flies.
I have read it. Those where children not adults unless you believe that you lack the ability to act as an adult and need the government to do that for you.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
I have read it. Those where children not adults unless you believe that you lack the ability to act as an adult and need the government to do that for you.
Just because I know I will act like an adult, and maybe you will too...that doesn't mean 300 million other citizens will. That is why you need government. And as for the book, yes those were children, but I'm sure you can read deeper than the text.
Furthermore, just because you have the physical and psychological ability to take matters into your own hands does not mean all folks do. Do not discriminate against them.
government intervention can be a good thing.. it CAN and DOES make sense.. sometimes
Government is a necessary evil, I will not argue that, but some of the examples people are bringing up can be established without government intervention. We need less government in our lives not more. The smoking ban, while it was enacted with good intentions, is an example of government over stepping it bounds. Like I said I have nothing against prohibiting smoking in the workplace or bars/resturaunts, I'm a smoker and I prefer no smoking in bars, it's how the law was enacted. It should have been a voluntary ban, with some finacial incentives for those that voluntered.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
but smokers want to smoke everywhere..they're addicted remember?? and they can't/won't/don't want to stop and don't want to be segregated or alienated by big brother. Really who's doing the whining in all of this?
Non smokers are not addicted to not smoking :rolleyes:
one side is out of balance in the head...can you guess which one?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Just because I know I will act like an adult, and maybe you will too...that doesn't mean 300 million other citizens will. That is why you need government. And as for the book, yes those were children, but I'm sure you can read deeper than the text.
Furthermore, just because you have the physical and psychological ability to take matters into your own hands does not mean all folks do. Do not discriminate against them.
I think you under estimate your fellow 300 million citizens. As for the mental incapable their loved ones or care taker will be their to aid them. They will not be discriminated against or left to fend for themselves. Just because i don't want the government involved in ever facet of life doesn't mean I'm a heartless bastard.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Government is a necessary evil, I will not argue that, but some of the examples people are bringing up can be established without government intervention. We need less government in our lives not more. The smoking ban, while it was enacted with good intentions, is an example of government over stepping it bounds. Like I said I have nothing against prohibiting smoking in the workplace or bars/resturaunts, I'm a smoker and I prefer no smoking in bars, it's how the law was enacted. It should have been a voluntary ban, with some finacial incentives for those that voluntered.
I can agree to that. But make them really absurd fines such that those bars have to really raise prices.
I think the government should take a similar approach to environmentally friendly cars. Like, at malls and such, there should be regulations to make the first 3 rows of parking for environmentally friendly cars only. Stuff like that.
but smokers want to smoke everywhere..they're addicted remember?? and they can't/won't/don't want to stop and don't want to be segregated or alienated by big brother. Really who's whining in all of this?
Non smokers are not addicted to not smoking :rolleyes:
one side is out of balance...can you guess which one?
I don't want to smoke everywhere. I don't smoke in my home, in my car, in front of my children, in a park if children are at play near me.
Non smokers are addicted to being whinny bitches.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
It's not that hard to tell if food was not fresh even after it has been cooked, I worked in the resturant business. With fish, poultry and meats the texture and color is different and there is distict smell to it even after it has been cooked. Fruits and vegetables you can't cover up if they are not fresh same with dairy products.
I have lived up the street from two bars.
I knew you would have no problem with my answer on this one.
If you are stupid enough to want to work/drink/eat at an establishment that has no bathroom facilities then that is your problem not mine.
you've been trained/have this knowledge... a lot of other people dont. Listeria is an invisible bacteria that resides in meat, eggs can contain bacteria if not cooked properly
good for you.. i stayed across from one... was noisy until 2.am and then the fighting normally started... if the pub was open 24hrs... well most likely i would have went to it... fuck sleep
hmmmm... if you are stupid enough to want to sit in a bar that has 30-40 smokers in it then i feel its you who is more stupid than someone who sits in a bar then realises there is no bathroom... and that second hand smoke IS my problem as its directly affecting my health... ergo its banned, just as junkies were banned from donating sperm for £50 a pop a few years ago.. the reason.. oh the government realised it might be detrimental to the publics health... you agree with that governmental intervention
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
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My take is that the reason the ex smoker is so hyper-sensitive to smoke is because of the physical/chemical imbalances it causes in the brain. Like any highly addictive drug, it rewires the pathways, and the brain must physically heal from these addictions. This can take years. For some crack and heroin addicts this can be as long as 10-15yrs and longer. Cigarettes are actually more addictive than crack and heroin.
Getting second hand smoke or any of the "drug" prevents this healing or readjusting back to a normal state of mind. It depends a lot on the individual . In some cases drastic measures are required for success
If I subjected myself to smoky environments on a regular basis, I can almost guarantee you I would start smoking again.
I am glad certain laws are upheld when sheer common sense is the primary factor so to speak.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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I can get that rare and exotic experience at my local restaurant and bar etc...
incredible
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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cos my chlorine was harming other peoples health.. if i wish to inhale and get fucked up thats my choice, but its not right nor am i free to inflict these deadly fumes on other pub patrons.
for the common good, people... thats the issue here.
people lives will be bettered or even saved as a result of a smoking ban in enclosed public places... and thats fact
well why dont you just park the bus outside your house? or remove the nice comfy seats? or just not even pay the fare?
I get my use by paying discounted rates. I am not really for government funding of these programs either by the way but that is the difference.
Who would arrest you for a container of chlorine? That is absurd.
So why would you want to go into a smoking bar? The choice would be yours and yours alone. You and some posters seem to be put off that there would be a bar that people have made a conscience choice to be in and because of YOUR health issue you don't want a bar like that to be open. Again, afraid you may be missing out on fun? Or just wanting to shut down the fun you miss out on because of your choice?
Actually its a very good analogy. You would be asked to leave, and depending where, the authorities may be tipped off, as it is pretty unusual.
The concept is solid. Substitute a bucket of gasoline then.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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You wouldn't be arrested but you might get thrown out by the owner because it is his decision to make. I have nothing against smoking being banned at bars and resteruants I have a problem with it being forced by the government.
Chlorine is a toxic gas that irritates the respiratory system. Because it is heavier than air, it tends to accumulate at the bottom of poorly ventilated spaces. Chlorine gas is a strong oxidizer, which may react with flammable materials.
if you own it... why are you paying for it?
i own my guitar, i dont have to pay my wife so i can use it
I don't, and I'm glad it isn't a requirement to be forced back to the level of being an addict. If I do hit a smoky club...I don't go back for that reason alone.
Let me restate for the third or fourth time now... Smoking is not "fun" if you think it is....you're either brainwashed or, to be honest, a bit mindfucked.
A little cigarette controls your life...how sad. Is such a little thing you hold in your hand really the boss of you?
Fun is something you do because you want to...not because you have to.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
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do you have an issue with the government forcing restaurant owners to keep fresh produce and meat? cos they do...
do you have an issue with the government forcing a bar owner to ensure that noise at his establishment meets certain laws or criteria... cos they do...
do you have an issue with the government forcing a bar owner to close at a certain time... cos they do.
do you have an issue with the government forcing a bar owner to ensure his establishment has a bathroom.. cos they do
Let me see.
Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes.
If a resturant did not keep fresj produce i wouldn't eat there. I don't need the government to tell me that.
If a bar was too noisy I would ask the owner to do something about it and if he didn't I would orhanize the neighborhood and attempt to disrupt his busniss untill he met neighborhood demands. I don't need the gov ernment to help me there either.
A bar can close and open, or even stay open for 24 fucking hours for all I care.
Finally if an establishment didn't have a bathroom i wouldn't work or be a patron of that establishment. Again don't need the government here either.
I don't smoke. (quoted once again) I think that if an owner wants to have a smoke filled bar and the people who work and drink in there have weighed the option like grown ups and are still sitting in there, it is nobody's business to say they want is shut down. Must be nice being a quitter of smokes and then wanting to lead the health crusade.
Oh, and I don't smoke!
Plus you still haven't stated aside from the people being in the bar on their own will, and you having a worry for their health, why there shouldn't be a smoking bar. Is that a tougher question then I think it is. So what has you pent up about a smoking bar? Is the smoke going to drift past all the car fumes and get to you as you walk past it on the sidewalk?
I am glad you are not a lawmaker or politician.
and you'd know the produce was unfresh how exactly? i've just been to Liverpool and i had maybe 3 meals the whole weekend i was there... i've never been there before so i have to presume they are meeting the national standards of food hygiene... are you wanting to wait until people get sick, food poisoning, so you can say... oh wel i'll just not go back there! how odd
never lived across the street from a pub then have you?
one phone call and 15 minutes later his pub was closed for the night. had the government no law on noise pollution he could have had his "private party" going on for 47 weeks if he wanted... common sense prevails
actually as a scotsman i agree with this one
so members of staff would have to shit and piss somewhere then... and the big pot of soup seems a good place.. or the alley at the side of the place.
government intervention can be a good thing.. it CAN and DOES make sense.. sometimes
Why because I will not make decisions for you and hold your hand as you walk through life. I believe in a limited government. Problems such as these should be dealth with by the people not government.
Health crusade? ??? The only health I'm concerned about is my own and my blood. I could care less what others do to their own health as long as it does not affect mine. I don't care if you smoke or not...it's not of my concern unless you blow it in my face. Feel free to do whatever you want just not if it affects my life in terms of shortening it.
Car's, factories, pollution...etc...yes why make it even worse again?
Where is the logic?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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No. Not everyone has the exact same values. You're truly wrong. Go read Lord of the Flies.
It's not that hard to tell if food was not fresh even after it has been cooked, I worked in the resturant business. With fish, poultry and meats the texture and color is different and there is distict smell to it even after it has been cooked. Fruits and vegetables you can't cover up if they are not fresh same with dairy products.
I have lived up the street from two bars.
I knew you would have no problem with my answer on this one.
If you are stupid enough to want to work/drink/eat at an establishment that has no bathroom facilities then that is your problem not mine.
So smoking bars for the smokers!!!!
I have read it. Those where children not adults unless you believe that you lack the ability to act as an adult and need the government to do that for you.
Just because I know I will act like an adult, and maybe you will too...that doesn't mean 300 million other citizens will. That is why you need government. And as for the book, yes those were children, but I'm sure you can read deeper than the text.
Furthermore, just because you have the physical and psychological ability to take matters into your own hands does not mean all folks do. Do not discriminate against them.
Government is a necessary evil, I will not argue that, but some of the examples people are bringing up can be established without government intervention. We need less government in our lives not more. The smoking ban, while it was enacted with good intentions, is an example of government over stepping it bounds. Like I said I have nothing against prohibiting smoking in the workplace or bars/resturaunts, I'm a smoker and I prefer no smoking in bars, it's how the law was enacted. It should have been a voluntary ban, with some finacial incentives for those that voluntered.
but smokers want to smoke everywhere..they're addicted remember?? and they can't/won't/don't want to stop and don't want to be segregated or alienated by big brother. Really who's doing the whining in all of this?
Non smokers are not addicted to not smoking :rolleyes:
one side is out of balance in the head...can you guess which one?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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I think you under estimate your fellow 300 million citizens. As for the mental incapable their loved ones or care taker will be their to aid them. They will not be discriminated against or left to fend for themselves. Just because i don't want the government involved in ever facet of life doesn't mean I'm a heartless bastard.
I can agree to that. But make them really absurd fines such that those bars have to really raise prices.
I think the government should take a similar approach to environmentally friendly cars. Like, at malls and such, there should be regulations to make the first 3 rows of parking for environmentally friendly cars only. Stuff like that.
I don't want to smoke everywhere. I don't smoke in my home, in my car, in front of my children, in a park if children are at play near me.
Non smokers are addicted to being whinny bitches.
you've been trained/have this knowledge... a lot of other people dont. Listeria is an invisible bacteria that resides in meat, eggs can contain bacteria if not cooked properly
good for you.. i stayed across from one... was noisy until 2.am and then the fighting normally started... if the pub was open 24hrs... well most likely i would have went to it... fuck sleep
hmmmm... if you are stupid enough to want to sit in a bar that has 30-40 smokers in it then i feel its you who is more stupid than someone who sits in a bar then realises there is no bathroom... and that second hand smoke IS my problem as its directly affecting my health... ergo its banned, just as junkies were banned from donating sperm for £50 a pop a few years ago.. the reason.. oh the government realised it might be detrimental to the publics health... you agree with that governmental intervention