i agree. there have been times in my life when i knew i was happy. but amongst that feeling came one that could have ended my life. i don't understand why it shrouds me, but i choose to live with it and work through it. even today i feel contented and have a sense of happiness but always there is something pulling me.
the ancient celts believed the soul resided in the head. that is why they stuck the heads of their dead enemies on a pike. it was a reverential action.
and you're right. i don't have a right front lobe. yet i function and live a prosperous and happy life. things can and will happen that alter my mood but i've reached a place where it won't shake my happiness. true happiness has nothing to do with feelings. i wrongfully stated that happiness is a feeling but happiness transends feelings.
and you're right. i don't have a right front lobe. yet i function and live a prosperous and happy life. things can and will happen that alter my mood but i've reached a place where it won't shake my happiness. true happiness has nothing to do with feelings. i wrongfully stated that happiness is a feeling but happiness transends feelings.
The left prefrontal cortex is primarily responsible for happiness. Not the right.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Ok, so COMPLETE SPECULATION is better than INCOMPLETE SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH. Which you claim is only incomplete because Gilbert didn't call you.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Ok, so COMPLETE SPECULATION is better than INCOMPLETE SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH. Which you claim is only incomplete because Gilbert didn't call you.
no; i;m not saying that at all. i'm saying more research must be done. and it must include the variables. you cannot make a statement like that if it doesn't apply to all brains. at best he can claim that in a controlled group.............................................
I appreciate your concern. Let me explain a little bit... I believe if the majority of human beings had only themselves and others to believe in, that this planet is "it" and there is nothing else that the majority would be out only for themselves and the violence and destruction would be much greater.
I realize that much of it, the violence, comes from beliefs, specifically religious beliefs, but I am still willing to say without these beliefs in a greater being or spirituality that everything would be much worse. What's to stop people??
Just thought I would post this because I think religion and faith gets a certain rap (even on this board-shocking, I know) sometimes, but is very good for many people.
I think that even without any religion people would still have there own moral values.If the bible was just fake and written by a series of very clever writers(and I'm not saying that I think it is) then it would mean that just ordinary people have made these moral values.I'm agnostic so dont really know where I stand on religion.But I do believe that some greater power is out there.What form that actually takes though.I have no idea!!!
Ok, so I am my soul and when I die my soul dies, then how can you have it? I don't understand. That defies the traditional definition of a soul that survives in a metaphysical plane after death.
I don't think the sum total of you is your soul. I think you are many things, intellect, reasoning, function, physicality. But your uniqueness the combination of all the random events along with your dna and the things passed onto you from generations before, and the choices that you make in response to events, and a whole bunch of other stuff, (and don't get your nickers in a twist about my use of non technical terms please. This is what I BELIEVE.) all combine to make something else inside you that to my mind has not been unequivocally explained by science, psychology or religion.
And yes my belief in the soul dying with the body does defy the traditional definition. But I do swing both ways!
I don't think the sum total of you is your soul. I think you are many things, intellect, reasoning, function, physicality. But your uniqueness the combination of all the random events along with your dna and the things passed onto you from generations before, and the choices that you make in response to events, and a whole bunch of other stuff, (and don't get your nickers in a twist about my use of non technical terms please. This is what I BELIEVE.) all combine to make something else inside you that to my mind has not been unequivocally explained by science, psychology or religion.
And yes my belief in the soul dying with the body does defy the traditional definition. But I do swing both ways!
I don't understand how an incomplete scientific understanding translates into a spiritual, metaphysical, thing. That's just a speculative leap into the complete unkown. Yet, that seems to be the general census here and around the world. The age-old line of thought that needs to be broken to make progress.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I don't understand how an incomplete scientific understanding translates into a spiritual, metaphysical, thing. That's just a speculative leap into the complete unkown. Yet, that seems to be the general census here and around the world. The age-old line of thought that needs to be broken to make progress.
i've got to run for a bit but i'll try to find those links for you. it's medical science that proves him wrong. and no; it doesn't translate into anything. except maybe medicine vs phsycology. evidence you can touch vs thought.
i'm just too exhausted right now but i'll be back.
I don't have a soul either. I have a brain that likes me to believe I have one, but I don't. If you want to call my brain a soul, be my guest. But I'm not going to call it a soul.
Oddly enough I agree with what C.S. Lewis said:
You don't have a soul. You are a Soul. You have a body.
my soul resides in my head. and thus receives nurturing.
your aura surrounds you. if your soul resides in your head then those with brain damage wouldn't have a soul. and i'm using the word soul because it's the common venacular. it's not meant in any religious manner. i'm speaking of your being. i think; therefore i am. on that level.
I don't have a soul either. I have a brain that likes me to believe I have one, but I don't. If you want to call my brain a soul, be my guest. But I'm not going to call it a soul.
Oddly enough I agree with what C.S. Lewis said:
You don't have a soul. You are a Soul. You have a body.
I am my brain.
if you are your brain; and you get brain damage; then you are no more? if a child is born with say downs syndrome; is that child not a human being? if my grandfather contracts alshiemers and the lesions damage his brain; is he no longer my grandfather? has his being left and become something else?
if you are your brain; and you get brain damage; then you are no more? if a child is born with say downs syndrome; is that child not a human being? if my grandfather contracts alshiemers and the lesions damage his brain; is he no longer my grandfather? has his being left and become something else?
Bottom line, people change all the time.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
your aura surrounds you. if your soul resides in your head then those with brain damage wouldn't have a soul. and i'm using the word soul because it's the common venacular. it's not meant in any religious manner. i'm speaking of your being. i think; therefore i am. on that level.
MY soul resides in my head. where yours is i do not know. for me everything i am is within my mind.
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take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
if you are your brain; and you get brain damage; then you are no more? if a child is born with say downs syndrome; is that child not a human being? if my grandfather contracts alshiemers and the lesions damage his brain; is he no longer my grandfather? has his being left and become something else?
Thank you. Was just going to say that myself, but don't need to now.
if you are your brain; and you get brain damage; then you are no more? if a child is born with say downs syndrome; is that child not a human being? if my grandfather contracts alshiemers and the lesions damage his brain; is he no longer my grandfather? has his being left and become something else?
In all these cases you still have a functioning brain, so you are still a person. It might not be functioning as it was supposed to, but it's still there and functioning.
In all these cases you still have a functioning brain, so you are still a person. It might not be functioning as it was supposed to, but it's still there and functioning.
i'll find the links of those functioning without a brain.
Yes, but they are still in there Ahnimus. Regardless of the changes.
Still feel, still think, still "being" or "soul" regardless of whether they can communicate with the rest of us in a way that is understood or not.
I don't have a soul either. I have a brain that likes me to believe I have one, but I don't. If you want to call my brain a soul, be my guest. But I'm not going to call it a soul.
Oddly enough I agree with what C.S. Lewis said:
You don't have a soul. You are a Soul. You have a body.
I am my brain.
Do you see the difference between a chemical being responsible for the emotion of love, and between you feeling love for a beautiful woman? Do you see a difference between the chemical and the whole experience of love being acted out in 3-d?
Can you tell me where the quotation marks go on the quote, please?
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
i'll find the links of those functioning without a brain.
There are none.
If you remove a large portion of a child's brain their synaptogenesis will compensate for it, as synaptogenesis is the evolution-like process that creates the complex connections within our brains.
Removing part of the adult brain can cause side-effects but will not always cause death. See Phineas Gage.
Removing the entire brain from an animal will cause death.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Do you see the difference between a chemical being responsible for the emotion of love, and between you feeling love for a beautiful woman? Do you see a difference between the chemical and the whole experience of love being acted out in 3-d?
Can you tell me where the quotation marks go on the quote, please?
One is epiphenomenal, the experience of love is ontologically subjective.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
but your being doesn't. you are you. nothing will change that. you may change your way of thinking; where you live; your medical condition; anything and everything; but you will always be [your name]. no matter what bloody happens in your life; you will always be you.
If you remove a large portion of a child's brain their synaptogenesis will compensate for it, as synaptogenesis is the evolution-like process that creates the complex connections within our brains.
Removing part of the adult brain can cause side-effects but will not always cause death. See Phineas Gage.
Removing the entire brain from an animal will cause death.
wrong. there are several cases; one in particular where a college student had no brain to speak of. i'll find the links later.
but your being doesn't. you are you. nothing will change that. you may change your way of thinking; where you live; your medical condition; anything and everything; but you will always be [your name]. no matter what bloody happens in your life; you will always be you.
Ok, but that [you] is just a word to describe my current state of being. My state of being changes, and therefor the "you" or "me" of 5 years ago is not the "you" or "me" of now. It is neither mentally or physically the same.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Yes, but they are still in there Ahnimus. Regardless of the changes.
Still feel, still think, still "being" or "soul" regardless of whether they can communicate with the rest of us in a way that is understood or not.
wrong. there are several cases; one in particular where a college student had no brain to speak of. i'll find the links later.
A human can operate with a brain the size of a pea, with complications.
I want you to provide evidence of a human operating with absolutely no brain. I want to see that their brain is non-existent. Not just relatively.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
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and you're right. i don't have a right front lobe. yet i function and live a prosperous and happy life. things can and will happen that alter my mood but i've reached a place where it won't shake my happiness. true happiness has nothing to do with feelings. i wrongfully stated that happiness is a feeling but happiness transends feelings.
INCOMPLETE SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH.
The left prefrontal cortex is primarily responsible for happiness. Not the right.
Ok, so COMPLETE SPECULATION is better than INCOMPLETE SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH. Which you claim is only incomplete because Gilbert didn't call you.
i hear you girl. my head is everything to me. it must be fed and nurtured constantly.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
no; i;m not saying that at all. i'm saying more research must be done. and it must include the variables. you cannot make a statement like that if it doesn't apply to all brains. at best he can claim that in a controlled group.............................................
maybe it's your soul that needs the nuturing.
I don't think the sum total of you is your soul. I think you are many things, intellect, reasoning, function, physicality. But your uniqueness the combination of all the random events along with your dna and the things passed onto you from generations before, and the choices that you make in response to events, and a whole bunch of other stuff, (and don't get your nickers in a twist about my use of non technical terms please.
And yes my belief in the soul dying with the body does defy the traditional definition. But I do swing both ways!
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
I don't understand how an incomplete scientific understanding translates into a spiritual, metaphysical, thing. That's just a speculative leap into the complete unkown. Yet, that seems to be the general census here and around the world. The age-old line of thought that needs to be broken to make progress.
my soul resides in my head. and thus receives nurturing.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
i've got to run for a bit but i'll try to find those links for you. it's medical science that proves him wrong. and no; it doesn't translate into anything. except maybe medicine vs phsycology. evidence you can touch vs thought.
i'm just too exhausted right now but i'll be back.
Oddly enough I agree with what C.S. Lewis said:
You don't have a soul. You are a Soul. You have a body.
I am my brain.
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your aura surrounds you. if your soul resides in your head then those with brain damage wouldn't have a soul. and i'm using the word soul because it's the common venacular. it's not meant in any religious manner. i'm speaking of your being. i think; therefore i am. on that level.
if you are your brain; and you get brain damage; then you are no more? if a child is born with say downs syndrome; is that child not a human being? if my grandfather contracts alshiemers and the lesions damage his brain; is he no longer my grandfather? has his being left and become something else?
Bottom line, people change all the time.
MY soul resides in my head. where yours is i do not know. for me everything i am is within my mind.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Thank you. Was just going to say that myself, but don't need to now.
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
In all these cases you still have a functioning brain, so you are still a person. It might not be functioning as it was supposed to, but it's still there and functioning.
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i'll find the links of those functioning without a brain.
Yes, but they are still in there Ahnimus. Regardless of the changes.
Still feel, still think, still "being" or "soul" regardless of whether they can communicate with the rest of us in a way that is understood or not.
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
Can you tell me where the quotation marks go on the quote, please?
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naděje umírá poslední
There are none.
If you remove a large portion of a child's brain their synaptogenesis will compensate for it, as synaptogenesis is the evolution-like process that creates the complex connections within our brains.
Removing part of the adult brain can cause side-effects but will not always cause death. See Phineas Gage.
Removing the entire brain from an animal will cause death.
One is epiphenomenal, the experience of love is ontologically subjective.
but your being doesn't. you are you. nothing will change that. you may change your way of thinking; where you live; your medical condition; anything and everything; but you will always be [your name]. no matter what bloody happens in your life; you will always be you.
wrong. there are several cases; one in particular where a college student had no brain to speak of. i'll find the links later.
Ok, but that [you] is just a word to describe my current state of being. My state of being changes, and therefor the "you" or "me" of 5 years ago is not the "you" or "me" of now. It is neither mentally or physically the same.
cheers love. you got it!
A human can operate with a brain the size of a pea, with complications.
I want you to provide evidence of a human operating with absolutely no brain. I want to see that their brain is non-existent. Not just relatively.