It's our selfish nature that created the illusion of a soul.
Well thank you Ryan. I happen to believe that who you are does exist seperate from your ability to reason, seperate from your physical being and seperate from what your brain does. So I promise to be very careful with it until you should want it. And if not that's ok too. It'll be safe with me regardless. You know Ryan THERE IS NOT ANOTHER HUMAN BEING ON THE PLANET LIKE YOU. That is your soul. Who you are. What makes you different from everybody else. So anyway, I'll leave you to bang on about this does it or doesn't it argument that you are so good at. Stuff that I have neither the mental agility or the patience for, but I'll keep your soul safe. Just sing out if you want it back.
Carry on people.......................
Oops! BTW I don't think it's selfish to believe in the soul. I don't know that it's an illusion either.
Well thank you Ryan. I happen to believe that who you are does exist seperate from your ability to reason, seperate from your physical being and seperate from what your brain does. So I promise to be very careful with it until you should want it. And if not that's ok too. It'll be safe with me regardless. You know Ryan THERE IS NOT ANOTHER HUMAN BEING ON THE PLANET LIKE YOU. That is your soul. Who you are. What makes you different from everybody else. So anyway, I'll leave you to bang on about this does it or doesn't it argument that you are so good at. Stuff that I have neither the mental agility or the patience for, but I'll keep your soul safe. Just sing out if you want it back.
Carry on people.......................
Oops! BTW I don't think it's selfish to believe in the soul. I don't know that it's an illusion either.
I've had a billion experiences in a configuration different than anyone else. That is why there is no one on the planet like me, or anyone else. Because the possibilities of experience are so vast.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
and thus you don't understand. nothing can change me; or my being. if i woke up and someone stole everything in my house; it wouldn't change a thing. i can't explain something you can't yet understand. if you lost your job today would it effect you? i mean change you; or your mood? i don't know how to explain it. i guess you'll have to wait and see.
So the impact of another soul cannot effect or change yours?
it made me realize that nothing can change or interfere with my happiness. today is a wonderful day to die. if the stock market crashes; so what? if i lose my legs to an accident; no worries; i still have myself; my being. i want for nothing. i would like many things but i actually want for nothing.
maybe i had an epiphany or something. i look back several years and see the bad things that have happened to be yet it never changed me. once again i'm trying to explain something words cannot explain.
The complete maturation of your prefrontal cortex, the executive seat of the brain that is responsible for many things including synthetic happiness.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I've had a billion experiences in a configuration different than anyone else. That is why there is no one on the planet like me, or anyone else. Because the possibilities of experience are so vast.
Absolutely. I agree. But strip all that away. When you die Ryan, all that dies with you. We will never see the sum total of all those billion experiences in the same way in another individual EVER. Not in my life time, not in a hundred years from now, not even a hundred years in the past. UNIQUE. One of a kind. All that is you, dies with you. That is soul, I think. So I'm a keeping yours safe.
The complete maturation of your prefrontal cortex, the executive seat of the brain that is responsible for many things including synthetic happiness.
that makes no sense at all. are you picking words out of a dictionary to appear highly educated?
what is synthetic happiness. happiness is a feeling. if you feel happiness is synthetic then you have not experienced true happiness.
Absolutely. I agree. But strip all that away. When you die Ryan, all that dies with you. We will never see the sum total of all those billion experiences in the same way in another individual EVER. Not in my life time, not in a hundred years from now, not even a hundred years in the past. UNIQUE. One of a kind. All that is you, dies with you. That is soul, I think. So I'm a keeping yours safe.
Ok, so I am my soul and when I die my soul dies, then how can you have it? I don't understand. That defies the traditional definition of a soul that survives in a metaphysical plane after death.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
that makes no sense at all. are you picking words out of a dictionary to appear highly educated?
what is synthetic happiness. happiness is a feeling. if you feel happiness is synthetic then you have not experienced true happiness.
Dan Gilbert is a psychology professor at Harvard, and author of Stumbling on Happiness. In this memorable talk, filmed at TED2004, he demonstrates just how poor we humans are at predicting (or understanding) what will make us happy. (Recorded July 2005 in Oxford, UK. Duration: 22:02)
Actually, he explains what synthetic happiness is and how it's just as potent as real happiness. My guess is real happiness is the immediate gratification received by a stimulus, like sex makes us happy immediately.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
"From both of the experiments, happiness and the left prefrontal lobe is even more clearly linked."
Yea, anyway, I can quote scientific journals and facts all day. Are you ever going to believe it? Probably not.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Do you know anything about chronic depression? Do you know that it's caused by altered levels of seratonin in the prefrontal cortex of the brain? Did you know that doctors prescribe Selective Seratonin Re-uptake Inhibitors (SSRIs) to counteract the negative effects of low seratonin on happiness?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Dan Gilbert is a psychology professor at Harvard, and author of Stumbling on Happiness. In this memorable talk, filmed at TED2004, he demonstrates just how poor we humans are at predicting (or understanding) what will make us happy. (Recorded July 2005 in Oxford, UK. Duration: 22:02)
Actually, he explains what synthetic happiness is and how it's just as potent as real happiness. My guess is real happiness is the immediate gratification received by a stimulus, like sex makes us happy immediately.
first; show me how he is infallable. show me how he is all knowing and all seeing. show me how his theory is accepted by all.
i can show you the rantings of madmen throughout time. those thought to be all knowing. the top in their fields. only to have their rantings shot down in flames.
so in this speach he claims to know me. he knows my mind and how it works. nice trick. does he use a crystal ball?
first; show me how he is infallable. show me how he is all knowing and all seeing. show me how his theory is accepted by all.
i can show you the rantings of madmen throughout time. those thought to be all knowing. the top in their fields. only to have their rantings shot down in flames.
so in this speach he claims to know me. he knows my mind and how it works. nice trick. does he use a crystal ball?
No crystal ball. It's called scientific research.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Do you know anything about chronic depression? Do you know that it's caused by altered levels of seratonin in the prefrontal cortex of the brain? Did you know that doctors prescribe Selective Seratonin Re-uptake Inhibitors (SSRIs) to counteract the negative effects of low seratonin on happiness?
do you know i do nutritional research? do you know i raise buffalo;
Martin Marchello at the Carrington Research Extension Center has found that grassfed bison have as much as four times more selenium (an essential trace mineral) than grainfed bison. Eating just three ounces of grassfed bison, for example, can give you over 100 mcg. of selenium, which is several times the daily minimum requirement.
Most of the selenium research has focused on its potential to reduce the risk of cancer, but a 1990 study found that selenium also promotes a sunnier disposition! In this study, volunteers were given either 100 micrograms of selenium or a sugar pill. Those who were given the selenium noticed an improved mood in just two weeks. Eating a small portion of grassfed bison on a daily basis should produce the same results.
Benton, D. and R. Cook (1990). "Selenium supplementation improves mood in a double-blind crossover trial." Psychopharmacology 102(4): 549-50.
moods change. we are not talking about the same thing. happiness has nothing to do with moods.
no. for example; my parents will die and i will mourn; but it will not change my being.
Well I would suggest that it would. Just as the arrival and recognition of another soul into your life can impact you. With love for instance. Or grief. Or pain.
moods change. we are not talking about the same thing. happiness has nothing to do with moods.
I'm pretty sure happiness falls into the catagory 'mood'.
What the hell do I know though? You are the bison expert.
Dopamine. It's good for happiness.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Probably because you are in a different field of research and know absolutely nothing about the topic.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I'm pretty sure happiness falls into the catagory 'mood'.
What the hell do I know though? You are the bison expert.
Dopamine. It's good for happiness.
mood is temporary. you can wake up in a great mood and walk outside to see you have a flat tire. your mood will change but it shouldn't change your inner happiness.
Do you know anything about chronic depression? Do you know that it's caused by altered levels of seratonin in the prefrontal cortex of the brain? Did you know that doctors prescribe Selective Seratonin Re-uptake Inhibitors (SSRIs) to counteract the negative effects of low seratonin on happiness?
And I'm sure you know that for many people, SSRIs do nothing at all. Happiness involves chemistry, but there's more to it than that. There is no simple formula.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
it made me realize that nothing can change or interfere with my happiness. today is a wonderful day to die. if the stock market crashes; so what? if i lose my legs to an accident; no worries; i still have myself; my being. i want for nothing. i would like many things but i actually want for nothing.
maybe i had an epiphany or something. i look back several years and see the bad things that have happened to be yet it never changed me. once again i'm trying to explain something words cannot explain.
That's awesome, friend. I can feel the energy.
I also know what you are saying about our true being that is untouchable. It's like a body of water. All kinds of things can cause anything from a ripple on the surface, to waves. And yet, deep within, their is calm and peace untouched by the movement on the surface. I hear you, and I agree with you 100%.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
mood is temporary. you can wake up in a great mood and walk outside to see you have a flat tire. your mood will change but it shouldn't change your inner happiness.
Ok, but we are still talking about the production of dopamine, seratonin, norepinephrine, vasopressin, oxytocin and so on in the brain.
If you have fairly decent levels of these chemicals, then you are happy. This can be temporarily impeded by bad events, but the overal chemical system still functions normally. Chronic depression is when one or more of these parts of the system breaks down.
You can talk in terms of "mood" and "happiness" all you want and try to quantify it as some spiritual phenomena, but the facts remain, it's a biochemical thing.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
And I'm sure you know that for many people, SSRIs do nothing at all. Happiness involves chemistry, but there's more to it than that. There is no simple formula.
Right, something else might be broken. Seratonin is not the only chemical involved in happiness. The formula is not simple, but stating that it's metaphysical or spiritual is completely pointless, irrelevant, it gets us no closer to understanding it.
Some people can not choose to be happy as onelongsong preaches.
Many criminal's brains have damaged prefrontal cortexes which results in them not being happy, not being compassionate and having violent tendencies. Check the facts.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Ok, but we are still talking about the production of dopamine, seratonin, norepinephrine, vasopressin, oxytocin and so on in the brain.
If you have fairly decent levels of these chemicals, then you are happy. This can be temporarily impeded by bad events, but the overal chemical system still functions normally. Chronic depression is when one or more of these parts of the system breaks down.
You can talk in terms of "mood" and "happiness" all you want and try to quantify it as some spiritual phenomena, but the facts remain, it's a biochemical thing.
God! life would be so boring if it was all based on psychology
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
moods change. we are not talking about the same thing. happiness has nothing to do with moods.
i agree. there have been times in my life when i knew i was happy. but amongst that feeling came one that could have ended my life. i don't understand why it shrouds me, but i choose to live with it and work through it. even today i feel contented and have a sense of happiness but always there is something pulling me.
the ancient celts believed the soul resided in the head. that is why they stuck the heads of their dead enemies on a pike. it was a reverential action.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Probably because you are in a different field of research and know absolutely nothing about the topic.
i've been looking for a link but i've got 4 things happening at once here. no two brains think alike. no two brains function alike. one man may find happiness in alcohol; this i agree is synthetic. but the lecture you presented is incomplete. why weren't those with tbi included? he did not take into account the variables. he concludes indirectly that a person without a frontal lobe cannot be or experience happiness. it seems you find something and grab hold of it without opening your mind to other ideas. i don't mean this directed at you personally because it's human nature. it's what most of us do. but we must remember there is so much unexplored and so much unknown that we cannot make decisions until all the facts are known; and all the facts will never be known.
Right, something else might be broken. Seratonin is not the only chemical involved in happiness. The formula is not simple, but stating that it's metaphysical or spiritual is completely pointless, irrelevant, it gets us no closer to understanding it.
I do not believe in the metaphysical. That's not to say that I disagree with angelica or onelongsong though ... I actually agree with most of what they're saying, although I would probably explain it in a somewhat different way. I think that there are forces in the universe that we do not understand. They are not supernatural in any way, they're as real as light and sound and rocks and trees, we just haven't figured them all out yet. I doubt we'll ever find the precise happiness formula, because I don't think it's a matter of chemistry alone.
Many criminal's brains have damaged prefrontal cortexes which results in them not being happy, not being compassionate and having violent tendencies. Check the facts.
I know you've heard this before, but it bears repeating ... you'd do well to treat people less condescendingly.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
the ancient celts believed the soul resided in the head. that is why they stuck the heads of their dead enemies on a pike. it was a reverential action.
Well that could explain a lot! Guess I'm feeling reverential today!
i've been looking for a link but i've got 4 things happening at once here. no two brains think alike. no two brains function alike. one man may find happiness in alcohol; this i agree is synthetic. but the lecture you presented is incomplete. why weren't those with tbi included? he did not take into account the variables. he concludes indirectly that a person without a frontal lobe cannot be or experience happiness. it seems you find something and grab hold of it without opening your mind to other ideas. i don't mean this directed at you personally because it's human nature. it's what most of us do. but we must remember there is so much unexplored and so much unknown that we cannot make decisions until all the facts are known; and all the facts will never be known.
Yea ok, but your theories are based on non-facts, speculation. So how is that any better?
My working theory is based on scientific research.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
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Well thank you Ryan.
Carry on people.......................
Oops! BTW I don't think it's selfish to believe in the soul. I don't know that it's an illusion either.
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
I've had a billion experiences in a configuration different than anyone else. That is why there is no one on the planet like me, or anyone else. Because the possibilities of experience are so vast.
So the impact of another soul cannot effect or change yours?
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
The complete maturation of your prefrontal cortex, the executive seat of the brain that is responsible for many things including synthetic happiness.
Absolutely. I agree. But strip all that away. When you die Ryan, all that dies with you. We will never see the sum total of all those billion experiences in the same way in another individual EVER. Not in my life time, not in a hundred years from now, not even a hundred years in the past. UNIQUE. One of a kind. All that is you, dies with you. That is soul, I think. So I'm a keeping yours safe.
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
no. for example; my parents will die and i will mourn; but it will not change my being.
that makes no sense at all. are you picking words out of a dictionary to appear highly educated?
what is synthetic happiness. happiness is a feeling. if you feel happiness is synthetic then you have not experienced true happiness.
Ok, so I am my soul and when I die my soul dies, then how can you have it? I don't understand. That defies the traditional definition of a soul that survives in a metaphysical plane after death.
http://www.ted.com/tedtalks/tedtalksplayer.cfm?key=d_gilbert
Dan Gilbert is a psychology professor at Harvard, and author of Stumbling on Happiness. In this memorable talk, filmed at TED2004, he demonstrates just how poor we humans are at predicting (or understanding) what will make us happy. (Recorded July 2005 in Oxford, UK. Duration: 22:02)
Actually, he explains what synthetic happiness is and how it's just as potent as real happiness. My guess is real happiness is the immediate gratification received by a stimulus, like sex makes us happy immediately.
http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/bb/neuro/neuro05/web3/ahosoda.html
"From both of the experiments, happiness and the left prefrontal lobe is even more clearly linked."
Yea, anyway, I can quote scientific journals and facts all day. Are you ever going to believe it? Probably not.
Do you know anything about chronic depression? Do you know that it's caused by altered levels of seratonin in the prefrontal cortex of the brain? Did you know that doctors prescribe Selective Seratonin Re-uptake Inhibitors (SSRIs) to counteract the negative effects of low seratonin on happiness?
first; show me how he is infallable. show me how he is all knowing and all seeing. show me how his theory is accepted by all.
i can show you the rantings of madmen throughout time. those thought to be all knowing. the top in their fields. only to have their rantings shot down in flames.
so in this speach he claims to know me. he knows my mind and how it works. nice trick. does he use a crystal ball?
No crystal ball. It's called scientific research.
do you know i do nutritional research? do you know i raise buffalo;
Martin Marchello at the Carrington Research Extension Center has found that grassfed bison have as much as four times more selenium (an essential trace mineral) than grainfed bison. Eating just three ounces of grassfed bison, for example, can give you over 100 mcg. of selenium, which is several times the daily minimum requirement.
Most of the selenium research has focused on its potential to reduce the risk of cancer, but a 1990 study found that selenium also promotes a sunnier disposition! In this study, volunteers were given either 100 micrograms of selenium or a sugar pill. Those who were given the selenium noticed an improved mood in just two weeks. Eating a small portion of grassfed bison on a daily basis should produce the same results.
Benton, D. and R. Cook (1990). "Selenium supplementation improves mood in a double-blind crossover trial." Psychopharmacology 102(4): 549-50.
moods change. we are not talking about the same thing. happiness has nothing to do with moods.
i never got a call from him.
Well I would suggest that it would. Just as the arrival and recognition of another soul into your life can impact you. With love for instance. Or grief. Or pain.
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
I'm pretty sure happiness falls into the catagory 'mood'.
What the hell do I know though? You are the bison expert.
Dopamine. It's good for happiness.
Probably because you are in a different field of research and know absolutely nothing about the topic.
mood is temporary. you can wake up in a great mood and walk outside to see you have a flat tire. your mood will change but it shouldn't change your inner happiness.
I also know what you are saying about our true being that is untouchable. It's like a body of water. All kinds of things can cause anything from a ripple on the surface, to waves. And yet, deep within, their is calm and peace untouched by the movement on the surface.
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Ok, but we are still talking about the production of dopamine, seratonin, norepinephrine, vasopressin, oxytocin and so on in the brain.
If you have fairly decent levels of these chemicals, then you are happy. This can be temporarily impeded by bad events, but the overal chemical system still functions normally. Chronic depression is when one or more of these parts of the system breaks down.
You can talk in terms of "mood" and "happiness" all you want and try to quantify it as some spiritual phenomena, but the facts remain, it's a biochemical thing.
Right, something else might be broken. Seratonin is not the only chemical involved in happiness. The formula is not simple, but stating that it's metaphysical or spiritual is completely pointless, irrelevant, it gets us no closer to understanding it.
Some people can not choose to be happy as onelongsong preaches.
Many criminal's brains have damaged prefrontal cortexes which results in them not being happy, not being compassionate and having violent tendencies. Check the facts.
I agree completely!!
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
i agree. there have been times in my life when i knew i was happy. but amongst that feeling came one that could have ended my life. i don't understand why it shrouds me, but i choose to live with it and work through it. even today i feel contented and have a sense of happiness but always there is something pulling me.
the ancient celts believed the soul resided in the head. that is why they stuck the heads of their dead enemies on a pike. it was a reverential action.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
i've been looking for a link but i've got 4 things happening at once here. no two brains think alike. no two brains function alike. one man may find happiness in alcohol; this i agree is synthetic. but the lecture you presented is incomplete. why weren't those with tbi included? he did not take into account the variables. he concludes indirectly that a person without a frontal lobe cannot be or experience happiness. it seems you find something and grab hold of it without opening your mind to other ideas. i don't mean this directed at you personally because it's human nature. it's what most of us do. but we must remember there is so much unexplored and so much unknown that we cannot make decisions until all the facts are known; and all the facts will never be known.
I certainly agree with this 100%.
I know you've heard this before, but it bears repeating ... you'd do well to treat people less condescendingly.
Well that could explain a lot! Guess I'm feeling reverential today!
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
Yea ok, but your theories are based on non-facts, speculation. So how is that any better?
My working theory is based on scientific research.