Is Obama going to stop the war?

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  • Im still here
    Im still here Posts: 826
    ledvedderman wrote:
    I am against wars of choice. A war of retaliation is totally different in, in my book. You can't just let someone come in and kill 3,000 of your citizens and on the next day look those people in the eye who lost loved ones and say "we're going to let them get away with this one".

    War is hell. It does no one good, except those who profit. Right now it is profitable for the buddies of the administartion, but a Obama administration wouldn't give no bid contracts to cronies.

    plus Obama is a Member of the CFR, same buddies as Bush

    do some research
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  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    Im still here wrote:
    it will pass sooner or later

    their persistence is proof of that

    No, it won't. The draft won't come back.
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  • Im still here
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    ledvedderman wrote:
    Why are you comparing Iraq to 9/11? If you had the use of your eyes and the ability to read you would see that I said I was against a war of choice...like Iraq.

    I'm against a War of anykind when we have the ability to use covert ops to accomplish the same thing

    and also is more precise and not destructive to the infrastructure of a Country

    doesn't that make sense?
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  • Im still here
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    ledvedderman wrote:
    No, it won't. The draft won't come back.

    they are counting on you to think that way
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  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    Im still here wrote:
    plus Obama is a Member of the CFR, same buddies as Bush

    do some research

    Ooooh there it is. The CFR card. When you are pinned in a corner you pull that out. I'm just curious, do you know what the CFR is? It's almost like me saying your boy Ron Paul has the same buddies as Bush because they are both Republicans from Texas.

    Don't you think the CFR would have stepped in by now if he was so close to them to tell him to cool it on the anti-war front?

    EDIT-

    When Obama mentioned going into Pakistan to get Osama Bin Laden... how UN-CFR'y of him.
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  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    Im still here wrote:
    they are counting on you to think that way

    No. They are counting on people like you to get all sorts of crazy about the draft.

    Politically the draft makes no sense for either party.
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  • Im still here
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    ledvedderman wrote:
    Ooooh there it is. The CFR card. When you are pinned in a corner you pull that out. I'm just curious, do you know what the CFR is? It's almost like me saying your boy Ron Paul has the same buddies as Bush because they are both Republicans from Texas.

    Don't you think the CFR would have stepped in by now if he was so close to them to tell him to cool it on the anti-war front?

    the CFR is real and their agenda is public

    plus they know Obama is pro war, say anti war all you want buddy

    wink wink nod nod

    (Obama is just more of the same, I am just speaking the Truth you don't want to hear)
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  • Im still here
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    Im still here wrote:
    I'm against a War of anykind when we have the ability to use covert ops to accomplish the same thing

    and also is more precise and not destructive to the infrastructure of a Country

    doesn't that make sense?

    you never answered this
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  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    Im still here wrote:
    you never answered this

    I just now saw it.

    You really think covert ops could have gotten the job done in Afghanistan? Taken care of Al Qaeda and eliminated the Taliban regime?

    Could it have worked in Iraq? Maybe. It doesn't matter, though. We wouldn't have needed to take Sadaam out anyway. He posed no threat to us though.
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  • Im still here
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    ledvedderman wrote:
    I just now saw it.

    You really think covert ops could have gotten the job done in Afghanistan? Taken care of Al Qaeda and eliminated the Taliban regime?

    Could it have worked in Iraq? Maybe. It doesn't matter, though. We wouldn't have needed to take Sadaam out anyway. He posed no threat to us though.

    so you agree War is not needed

    and ask yourself this, have we gotten the job done this way?

    also why can reporters find Osama but our Military can't?

    something is wrong with that, seriously
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  • Im still here
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    ledvedderman wrote:
    I just now saw it.

    You really think covert ops could have gotten the job done in Afghanistan? Taken care of Al Qaeda and eliminated the Taliban regime?

    Could it have worked in Iraq? Maybe. It doesn't matter, though. We wouldn't have needed to take Sadaam out anyway. He posed no threat to us though.

    plus the Taliban had nothing to do with 911

    it was the group we trained to fight the Soviets that were the problem

    we called them Freedom Fighters when we were training them

    why is the Taliban guilty?

    human rights violations?

    we have committed more human rights violations that they ever dreamed of
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  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    Im still here wrote:
    so you agree War is not needed

    and ask yourself this, have we gotten the job done this way?

    also why can reporters find Osama but our Military can't?

    something is wrong with that, seriously

    No, I do not agree that war is not needed. In Afghanistan it was, in Iraq it clearly was not. Why do you keep assuming that I support the war in Iraq? Look at my fucking signature.

    Do I think we had the job done in Afghanistan? No, but we were pretty close. We had Bin Laden at Torra Bora and we just missed him. While we were hot on his trails we shifted our focus to the clusterfuck of Iraq. I have no idea why we can't find him. We can't find him because we have limited resources there and the President could give a shit about finding him.
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  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    Im still here wrote:
    plus the Taliban had nothing to do with 911

    it was the group we trained to fight the Soviets that were the problem

    we called them Freedom Fighters when we were training them

    why is the Taliban guilty?

    human rights violations?

    we have committed more human rights violations that they ever dreamed of

    They are guilty because they let all of this happen under their noses. They would not let us come into their country to go after Al Qaeda. As much as I hate to use the word, they were "harboring" the terrorists who had just killed 3,000 American civilians. That's guilty by association in my book.
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  • Nevermind
    Nevermind Posts: 1,006
    ledvedderman wrote:
    No, I do not agree that war is not needed. In Afghanistan it was, in Iraq it clearly was not. Why do you keep assuming that I support the war in Iraq? Look at my fucking signature.

    Do I think we had the job done in Afghanistan? No, but we were pretty close. We had Bin Laden at Torra Bora and we just missed him. While we were hot on his trails we shifted our focus to the clusterfuck of Iraq. I have no idea why we can't find him. We can't find him because we have limited resources there and the President could give a shit about finding him.
    Our government has let Osama go many times. Most likely he died in December of 01. All his recent videos have been proven fake.
  • Im still here
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    ledvedderman wrote:
    No, I do not agree that war is not needed. In Afghanistan it was, in Iraq it clearly was not. Why do you keep assuming that I support the war in Iraq? Look at my fucking signature.

    Do I think we had the job done in Afghanistan? No, but we were pretty close. We had Bin Laden at Torra Bora and we just missed him. While we were hot on his trails we shifted our focus to the clusterfuck of Iraq. I have no idea why we can't find him. We can't find him because we have limited resources there and the President could give a shit about finding him.

    repeating what Bush says will not lend you any credibilty here my friend

    i use that term friend loosley

    ps: so we are too busy building Permanent Bases in Iraq to finish the job we set out to do, do you have any idea how ridiculous that sounds?
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  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    Nevermind wrote:
    Our government has let Osama go many times. Most likely he died in December of 01. All his recent videos have been proven fake.

    How have they been proven fake? Show me something that shows this and I'll base an opinion on it.
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  • Im still here
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    Nevermind wrote:
    Our government has let Osama go many times. Most likely he died in December of 01. All his recent videos have been proven fake.

    thank you

    i was gonna say that, but most people believe he is still alive

    i was gonna let him keep living in his fantasy world
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  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    Im still here wrote:
    repeating what Bush says will not lend you any credibilty here my friend

    i use that term friend loosley

    ps: so we are too busy building Permanent Bases in Iraq to finish the job we set out to do, do you have any idea how ridiculous that sounds?

    How am I repeating what Bush has said?

    Go ahead, use it "loosley"...whatever the hell that means.

    About your "ps"- I never said anything close to that at all.
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  • Im still here
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    ledvedderman wrote:
    How have they been proven fake? Show me something that shows this and I'll base an opinion on it.

    Benazir Bhutto clearly stated in a BBC interview about a month before we assassinated her the man's name who murdered Bin Laden

    like i said b4, do some research
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  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    Im still here wrote:
    thank you

    i was gonna say that, but most people believe he is still alive

    i was gonna let him keep living in his fantasy world

    I'm clearly the one living in a fantasy world. You don't even read what people say. You've got it in your head what you think they're saying and spew it out as if it were fact they said that.
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