Is Obama going to stop the war?
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What's the general concensus?
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" if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on Al Qaeda."
"secure Iraq's borders; keep neighboring countries from meddling inside Iraq; isolate al Qaeda"
"ensure that Iraqis inside their own country can find a safe-haven."
Doesn't sound like an end to me.
I think that all of those make sense. You can't just pull all of the troops out tomorrow because you would have Al Qaeda bases sprouting all over Iraq. Bringing combat troops home and promising not to put military bases in Iraq home are what really matter to me personally.
Al Qaeda isn't the enemy we went into Iraq to defeat, but now that we're there we have to do something with them of Iraq could become Afghanistan. That doesn't seem fair to me to put that burden on the Iraqi people of "Sorry we killed hundreds of thousands of civilians, we're leaving now, and good luck w/ Al Qaeda"
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He has no intention of leaving Iraq. And as far as saying he will withdrawal troops at a pace...well we are doing that now..
except they are coming home in pieces and with bullets in their skulls.
war
murder, rape, pillage... they fuck your wives and slice your childrens throats...they fire your house and blow up your brigade...
if they were going to end the war..theyw ould do it now.. they are in the senate.
Yeah, because one Illinois senator has that authority. :rolleyes:
Give it a rest. Obama will bring the kids home RESPONSIBLY. The "Obama is a warmonger" schtick ir really tired.
im not saying that..im saying..there is nothing he can do to stop the war... and listen... you obviously don't understand how the government functions and no one says he alone has the authority but he is a senator and i feel bad for your own brain if you believe all the senators cant end this war.. your foolish..they could of have stopped it on day one..and they could start endiong the war tomorrow... but theya rent going to.. to much profit for big business and oil companies.
youd have to be a fucking moron to think they are pulling troops away from the oil fields..
It would take 2/3 to override a Presidential veto to bring the troops home, and the Dems don't have that. I wish they'd keep sending bills back to the President to veto, but they aren't.
Also, I'm all for bringing the troops home. I would never ever support just cutting off the funding. That is possibly the most careless way to end a war. It wasn't the soldiers bad policies who got us in this clusterfuck, why should we punish them anymore than W has by cutting off funding.
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democrats have a very slim majority in congress, and nowhere near enough votes to overturn a veto.
how old are you?
No way is it this easy. No way.
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so you are saying they could send him bills every day right?? but they arent because its a lost cause?
they couldnt have stopped it on day one...is this what your saying?
They could, yes. I wish they would, but they haven't. I think it would be fuel for the Republican fire once the General Election season gets fired up.
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so your point is theres nothing the senators can do?
you think republicans campaign would be to continue war if they did this??
the senators who are against it, yes.
Of course. The Republican strategy wouldn't change at all really. John McCain would be running against one of two Democratic senators in November, and he could point out how much of a time was spent in Washington voting over and over to pass legislation to send to the President and then have to vote on it again to try and override the Presidential veto. It's partisan tricks like that that will not fly this year. Not only that, but what do you think military hero John McCain would say to spin all of those votes into Obama and Clinton turning their backs on the troops and playing politics with the lives of soldiers "fighting for our freedom" in Iraq.
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Besides passing bill after bill there is nothing. Even cutting the funding wouldn't work because of not enough votes to override a Presidential veto.
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i think your wrong...no matter who is running for president even George W. wasnt going to start a campaign where he layed out to get votes based on a continuation of war...
ARE YOU SERIOUS?? you think McCains platform is going to be continuing the occupation of Iraq?
so you think by passing bill after bill this wouldnt get coverage...that this would be ignored..you know if they were doing this...this is where our candidates would be ...not parading around the country pretending to be patriots.... these people have jobs vedderman and they arent doing them...and people like yourself fall victim to rhetoric thinking once these people get elected something is going to change...they dont care about sheep vedder.
He said he would keep troops in Iraq for the next 100 years
Doesn't get much clearer than that. While the war is very unpopular among a lot of the total population, in the military circles and evangelical it is going "swimmingly". If those are your supporters, why wouldn't you want to campaign on keeping the troops there.
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lol
so McCain is for bringing the troops home? and Obama isn't?
If they could do something I'm sure they would. Their hands are literally tied. Because their hands are tied, and until more Republican congressman start coming out against the war, I would prefer our time being spent on things that can actually get passed.
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no you goon..im saying is he going to make it his platform. of course mccain isnt bringing troops home! but he isnt going to get on live tv and tell the camera he is for the continuation of war..he will dance around it.
thats it??? if they could do something they would
what a sad day... this is our education system
vote for obama than... good luck!
have you been living in a cave?!?!? McCain's platform since the beginning is to continue the war. 60% of republicans are pro-iraq war. You think he's gonna say he's against it now?!?
No. He's been pretty open about it. His main platform is "vote for me, I was correct on saying the troop surge would work" (it didn't), but that's what is getting him a lot of votes.
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