Is Obama going to stop the war?

chipboy

What's the general concensus?

ledvedderman

Yes. He'll begin bringing troops home at a steady pace. I believe his exact quote is, "we'll be are careful leaving as we were careless going in".

chipboy

I thought he was against the war but after reading his website I'm confused.

" if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on Al Qaeda."

"secure Iraq's borders; keep neighboring countries from meddling inside Iraq; isolate al Qaeda"

"ensure that Iraqis inside their own country can find a safe-haven."

Doesn't sound like an end to me.

ledvedderman

chipboy wrote:

I thought he was against the war but after reading his website I'm confused.

" if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on Al Qaeda."

"secure Iraq's borders; keep neighboring countries from meddling inside Iraq; isolate al Qaeda"

"ensure that Iraqis inside their own country can find a safe-haven."

Doesn't sound like an end to me.

I think that all of those make sense. You can't just pull all of the troops out tomorrow because you would have Al Qaeda bases sprouting all over Iraq. Bringing combat troops home and promising not to put military bases in Iraq home are what really matter to me personally.

Al Qaeda isn't the enemy we went into Iraq to defeat, but now that we're there we have to do something with them of Iraq could become Afghanistan. That doesn't seem fair to me to put that burden on the Iraqi people of "Sorry we killed hundreds of thousands of civilians, we're leaving now, and good luck w/ Al Qaeda"

E.Bloom

Didn`t he say that he would start removing troops right away, and by 16 months they would`ve removed everything? Except for the troops that is used to train Iraqi police and so forth

chipboy

I agree completely. I just didn't know Obama was for that. All I hear him say is "I was against the war and I'm going to bring our troops home." on the stump. Don't hear much about the keeping troops there to protect Iraqis and fight al Qaeda.

jlew24asu

edit based on your response above

macgyver06

chipboy wrote:

What's the general concensus?

He has no intention of leaving Iraq. And as far as saying he will withdrawal troops at a pace...well we are doing that now..

except they are coming home in pieces and with bullets in their skulls.

war

murder, rape, pillage... they fuck your wives and slice your childrens throats...they fire your house and blow up your brigade...

if they were going to end the war..theyw ould do it now.. they are in the senate.

cornnifer

macgyver06 wrote:

He has no intention of leaving Iraq. And as far as saying he will withdrawal troops at a pace...well we are doing that now..

except they are coming home in pieces and with bullets in their skulls.

war

murder, rape, pillage... they fuck your wives and slice your childrens throats...they fire your house and blow up your brigade...

if they were going to end the war..theyw ould do it now.. they are in the senate.

Yeah, because one Illinois senator has that authority. :rolleyes:

Give it a rest. Obama will bring the kids home RESPONSIBLY. The "Obama is a warmonger" schtick ir really tired.

macgyver06

cornnifer wrote:

Yeah, because one Illinois senator has that authority. :rolleyes:

Give it a rest. Obama will bring the kids home RESPONSIBLY. The "Obama is a warmonger" schtick ir really tired.

im not saying that..im saying..there is nothing he can do to stop the war... and listen... you obviously don't understand how the government functions and no one says he alone has the authority but he is a senator and i feel bad for your own brain if you believe all the senators cant end this war.. your foolish..they could of have stopped it on day one..and they could start endiong the war tomorrow... but theya rent going to.. to much profit for big business and oil companies.

youd have to be a fucking moron to think they are pulling troops away from the oil fields..

ledvedderman

macgyver06 wrote:

if they were going to end the war..theyw ould do it now.. they are in the senate.

It would take 2/3 to override a Presidential veto to bring the troops home, and the Dems don't have that. I wish they'd keep sending bills back to the President to veto, but they aren't.

Also, I'm all for bringing the troops home. I would never ever support just cutting off the funding. That is possibly the most careless way to end a war. It wasn't the soldiers bad policies who got us in this clusterfuck, why should we punish them anymore than W has by cutting off funding.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

all senators are against the war and Bush? thats news to me.

democrats have a very slim majority in congress, and nowhere near enough votes to overturn a veto.

how old are you?

ledvedderman

macgyver06 wrote:

they could of have stopped it on day one..and they could start endiong the war tomorrow...

No way is it this easy. No way.

macgyver06

ledvedderman wrote:

It would take 2/3 to override a Presidential veto to bring the troops home, and the Dems don't have that. I wish they'd keep sending bills back to the President to veto, but they aren't.

Also, I'm all for bringing the troops home. I would never ever support just cutting off the funding. That is possibly the most careless way to end a war. It wasn't the soldiers bad policies who got us in this clusterfuck, why should we punish them anymore than W has by cutting off funding.

so you are saying they could send him bills every day right?? but they arent because its a lost cause?

macgyver06

ledvedderman wrote:

No way is it this easy. No way.

they couldnt have stopped it on day one...is this what your saying?

ledvedderman

macgyver06 wrote:

so you are saying they could send him bills every day right?? but they arent because its a lost cause?

They could, yes. I wish they would, but they haven't. I think it would be fuel for the Republican fire once the General Election season gets fired up.

macgyver06

MrSmith wrote:

all senators are against the war and Bush? thats news to me.

democrats have a very slim majority in congress, and nowhere near enough votes to overturn a veto.

how old are you?

so your point is theres nothing the senators can do?

macgyver06

ledvedderman wrote:

They could, yes. I wish they would, but they haven't. I think it would be fuel for the Republican fire once the General Election season gets fired up.

you think republicans campaign would be to continue war if they did this??

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

macgyver06 wrote:

so your point is theres nothing the senators can do?

the senators who are against it, yes.

ledvedderman

macgyver06 wrote:

you think republicans campaign would be to continue war if they did this??

Of course. The Republican strategy wouldn't change at all really. John McCain would be running against one of two Democratic senators in November, and he could point out how much of a time was spent in Washington voting over and over to pass legislation to send to the President and then have to vote on it again to try and override the Presidential veto. It's partisan tricks like that that will not fly this year. Not only that, but what do you think military hero John McCain would say to spin all of those votes into Obama and Clinton turning their backs on the troops and playing politics with the lives of soldiers "fighting for our freedom" in Iraq.

ledvedderman

macgyver06 wrote:

so your point is theres nothing the senators can do?

Besides passing bill after bill there is nothing. Even cutting the funding wouldn't work because of not enough votes to override a Presidential veto.