Is Obama going to stop the war?

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  • MasterFramer
    MasterFramer Posts: 2,268
    chipboy wrote:
    I'm just starting to research his positions since he is looking like he will be the nominee. According to his own website he says:
    " if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on Al Qaeda."
    "secure Iraq's borders; keep neighboring countries from meddling inside Iraq; isolate al Qaeda"
    "ensure Iraqis inside their own country can find a safe-haven"

    How do you reconcile these statements to his anti-war stump speeches like the one you mention in Seattle? To me he is running an anti-war campaign but is actually just proposing a different war strategy. A lot of his ideas will succeed or fail depending on how succesful he is convincing Iran and Syria to help us police al Qaeda. I'm not discounting him as a candidate because of his position but I don't read it as an anti-war position.

    He is against the permanent bases being set up in Iraq. His position is clear, not sure why you are over complicating it. End the war in Iraq. Provide security without having bases. No US president will ever be elected if he pears soft on defense, ever.
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  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    MrSmith wrote:
    no i dont. i think people would feel pressure to vote with the majority of the people in their district. Its clear to anyone who is paying attention who has voted against or for the war. what would voting more often do? you think some regular joe is gonna read the paper everyday to see who was against it?


    when was the last vote to end the war?
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    macgyver06 wrote:
    your wrong... if you vote everyday it would apply pressure to those whoa re being exposed every day for allowing continuation of a war. america would see its 27 people... or 32 people that are continuing the war.

    1/2 of America would see it that way. 1/2 of America would also see it as political posturing in an election year, and spending wasteful lengths of time on a bill that the executive branch would never budge on.

    What in George Bush's history makes you think that even if Congress was able to pass something like this that he would comply? What does he have to lose? He hasn't changed his mind w/ 70% of the population being unhapy with him, what makes you think 32 senators matter to him?
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  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    MasterFramer wrote:
    He is against the permanent bases being set up in Iraq. His position is clear, not sure why you are over complicating it. End the war in Iraq. Provide security without having bases. No US president will ever be elected if he pears soft on defense, ever.


    he has said end the war in iraq... why are you making stuff up?
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    chipboy wrote:
    Don't you think that is misleading based on his won website and his positions?

    maybe so but to say he's no different than McCain or that 51 democrats in the senate can end the war is just delusional.
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    macgyver06 wrote:
    your dead wrong

    No. I'm not.

    Do you deal with legislature all day every day? Do you deal with parlimentary procedures all day everyday? No? Well, I do. I know what it takes to get bills passed on both the state and federal level. I can go to a 7th grade government class and explain this to them and they will understand it.
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  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    ledvedderman wrote:
    1/2 of America would see it that way. 1/2 of America would also see it as political posturing in an election year, and spending wasteful lengths of time on a bill that the executive branch would never budge on.

    What in George Bush's history makes you think that even if Congress was able to pass something like this that he would comply? What does he have to lose? He hasn't changed his mind w/ 70% of the population being unhapy with him, what makes you think 32 senators matter to him?


    shocking! the lengths of denial carry on to made up statistics.
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    ledvedderman wrote:
    No. I'm not.


    you believe if the war comes down to 16 republicans they wouldnt cross over?
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    MrSmith wrote:
    maybe so but to say he's no different than McCain is just delusional.


    of course he is different and no one here has said they are the same. and i dont understand why you are against peace?
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    also to say that Obama and 51 democrats in the senate can end the war is just delusional.
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    macgyver06 wrote:
    of course he is different and no one here has said they are the same. and i dont understand why you are against peace?


    i'm against peace now? how is that? i'm against idiocy.
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    MrSmith wrote:
    also to say that Obama and 51 democrats in the senate can end the war is just delusional.


    THEY COULD OF ENDED IT BEFORE IT STARTED!

    you are delusional! you are defending a candidate you didnt even know supports the continuation of the war!
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    macgyver06 wrote:
    you believe if the war comes down to 16 republicans they wouldnt cross over?

    It's not just 16. 16 is the difference in what it would take to get the veto proof vote. There are 49. There is no way you will get 16 GOP senators to come across the aisle.

    They haven't budged while the presidents numbers have sunk and US casualties go up. Why would they budge now?
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  • MasterFramer
    MasterFramer Posts: 2,268
    macgyver06 wrote:
    he has said end the war in iraq... why are you making stuff up?

    dude seriously what the fuck are you talking about? I was 30 feet away from him on Friday and heard every word he said.
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  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    MrSmith wrote:
    i'm against peace now? how is that? i'm against idiocy.


    lol i was making a point...of course you arent against peace...just like no one claimed mccain and obama are the same
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    macgyver06 wrote:
    THEY COULD OF ENDED IT BEFORE IT STARTED!

    you are delusional! you are defending a candidate you didnt even know supports the continuation of the war!

    We are defending a candidate who was against the war and did not vote for it.

    We know what his stances are on the war. You didn't teach us a damn thing in this thread.

    You really need to watch this. It isn't everything, but you will learn a lot from it.
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  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    MasterFramer wrote:
    dude seriously what the fuck are you talking about? I was 30 feet away from him on Friday and heard every word he said.



    he said he was against the war in iraq...or he is against the continuation of it?
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    ugh i give up. i'm usually pretty good about ignoring your silliness, but i just had a moment of weakness. i'll just go back to ignoring you.
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    ledvedderman wrote:
    We are defending a candidate who was against the war and did not vote for it.

    We know what his stances are on the war. You didn't teach us a damn thing in this thread.


    he couldnt vote for it! the fact you would rather remain in denial is not my problem..
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    MrSmith wrote:
    ugh i give up. i'm usually pretty good about ignoring your silliness, but i just had a moment of weakness. i'll just go back to ignoring you.


    thats the spirit..good little voter you are

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