you believe if the war comes down to 16 republicans they wouldnt cross over?
It's not just 16. 16 is the difference in what it would take to get the veto proof vote. There are 49. There is no way you will get 16 GOP senators to come across the aisle.
They haven't budged while the presidents numbers have sunk and US casualties go up. Why would they budge now?
he couldnt vote for it! the fact you would rather remain in denial is not my problem..
He gave a hell of a speech in 2002 against the war in Iraq. I'm not in denial that he couldn't vote for it. I was on his fucking US Senate campaign, I know his history.
He was against this war before it was "cool" to be against it politically.
"end the war by 2009" :rolleyes: What exactly is your confusion on his position? You are misinterpreting his position for the sake of arguing.
no...i question people who are questionable...pardon me for putting thought into a vote rather blinding believeing someone means all troops out of iraq by 2009..
He gave a hell of a speech in 2002 against the war in Iraq. I'm not in denial that he couldn't vote for it. I was on his fucking US Senate campaign, I know his history.
He was against this war before it was "cool" to be against it politically.
How many Democrats did you see running anti-war in 2004? Not many. The country was still on 9/11 hangover and the President kept putting out phony terror threats to keep it all fresh in the publics mind.
He is against the war in Iraq and will bring the troops home. You really make no fucking sense at all. Be against all wars that you want, but I think anyone who wouldn't support a candidate who would support military action against a nation who attacked us would be off the fucking reservation.
He is against the permanent bases being set up in Iraq. His position is clear, not sure why you are over complicating it. End the war in Iraq. Provide security without having bases. No US president will ever be elected if he pears soft on defense, ever.
I don't think it's clear that's why I'm reading about it and trying to engage in thoughtful debate trying to decipher what he really means. Is he really soft on defense and is just trying to appear tough by saying he is going to protect the Iraqis and fight al Qaeda? Or is he going to attempt to actually do what he says on his website which is just a different strategy to defeat al Qaeda in Iraq by getting Iran and Syria to help?
It seems like everyone has already made up their mind and will disregard what the candidate is actually proposing if it doesn't fit their TV produced image.
He is against the war in Iraq and will bring the troops home. You really make no fucking sense at all. Be against all wars that you want, but I think anyone who wouldn't support a candidate who would support military action against a nation who attacked us would be off the fucking reservation.
a new argument arises lol.... military action against a nation who attacked us.... who would this be vedderman?
this is so tiring..this is the result of arguing..hey maybe if your senator cared so much he would be doing his job he got elected to do..
yes ledvedderman..its us the citizens who are against you and your politicians credibility...
I don't think it's clear that's why I'm reading about it and trying to engage in thoughtful debate trying to decipher what he really means. Is he really soft on defense and is just trying to appear tough by saying he is going to protect the Iraqis and fight al Qaeda? Or is he going to attempt to actually do what he says on his website which is just a different strategy to defeat al Qaeda in Iraq by getting Iran and Syria to help?
It seems like everyone has already made up their mind and will disregard what the candidate is actually proposing if it doesn't fit their TV produced image.
this is what irks me... i will never understand why people put faith and all trust in another human being.. while at the same time having a false image of someone.
a new argument arises lol.... military action against a nation who attacked us.... who would this be vedderman?
this is so tiring..this is the result of arguing..hey maybe if your senator cared so much he would be doing his job he got elected to do..
yes ledvedderman..its us the citizens who are against you and your politicians credibility...
hope the fight goes well for you and your man..
You have stated that you are against all wars. If a nation were to attack us why would you have a problem with going after them. What is your problem w/ the Afghanistan War?
I don't think it's clear that's why I'm reading about it and trying to engage in thoughtful debate trying to decipher what he really means. Is he really soft on defense and is just trying to appear tough by saying he is going to protect the Iraqis and fight al Qaeda? Or is he going to attempt to actually do what he says on his website which is just a different strategy to defeat al Qaeda in Iraq by getting Iran and Syria to help?
It seems like everyone has already made up their mind and will disregard what the candidate is actually proposing if it doesn't fit their TV produced image.
Give me a fucking break dude. Why are you even trying to understand my motives for voting for Obama. If you want to mind fuck yourself over his stance be my guest. But dont pretend you know why anyone is voting for a canidate, you have no idea, just like anyone else.
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i'm against peace now? how is that? i'm against idiocy.
THEY COULD OF ENDED IT BEFORE IT STARTED!
you are delusional! you are defending a candidate you didnt even know supports the continuation of the war!
It's not just 16. 16 is the difference in what it would take to get the veto proof vote. There are 49. There is no way you will get 16 GOP senators to come across the aisle.
They haven't budged while the presidents numbers have sunk and US casualties go up. Why would they budge now?
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
dude seriously what the fuck are you talking about? I was 30 feet away from him on Friday and heard every word he said.
lol i was making a point...of course you arent against peace...just like no one claimed mccain and obama are the same
We are defending a candidate who was against the war and did not vote for it.
We know what his stances are on the war. You didn't teach us a damn thing in this thread.
You really need to watch this. It isn't everything, but you will learn a lot from it.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=0dVo3nbLYC0
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
he said he was against the war in iraq...or he is against the continuation of it?
he couldnt vote for it! the fact you would rather remain in denial is not my problem..
thats the spirit..good little voter you are
"end the war by 2009" :rolleyes: What exactly is your confusion on his position? You are misinterpreting his position for the sake of arguing.
He gave a hell of a speech in 2002 against the war in Iraq. I'm not in denial that he couldn't vote for it. I was on his fucking US Senate campaign, I know his history.
He was against this war before it was "cool" to be against it politically.
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
no...i question people who are questionable...pardon me for putting thought into a vote rather blinding believeing someone means all troops out of iraq by 2009..
no...
because he will never be elected president.....
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
lol.. i was against war before it was thought up.
I think you are wrong Speedy.
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
WHICH WAR?
How many Democrats did you see running anti-war in 2004? Not many. The country was still on 9/11 hangover and the President kept putting out phony terror threats to keep it all fresh in the publics mind.
Obama was one of the few.
Did you watch that video yet?
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
stick to these arguments..opinion based is more your style
Does it really matter if you are against all wars?
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
Opinion based arguments trump constitutional law? You're the one who might want to look into the law.
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
he isnt against war... lol
unbelievable!
He is against the war in Iraq and will bring the troops home. You really make no fucking sense at all. Be against all wars that you want, but I think anyone who wouldn't support a candidate who would support military action against a nation who attacked us would be off the fucking reservation.
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
i dont know what this mean...and why do you have desire to post crap like this
what are you talking or driving at??
I don't think it's clear that's why I'm reading about it and trying to engage in thoughtful debate trying to decipher what he really means. Is he really soft on defense and is just trying to appear tough by saying he is going to protect the Iraqis and fight al Qaeda? Or is he going to attempt to actually do what he says on his website which is just a different strategy to defeat al Qaeda in Iraq by getting Iran and Syria to help?
It seems like everyone has already made up their mind and will disregard what the candidate is actually proposing if it doesn't fit their TV produced image.
That you don't have the slightest fucking clue how government works.
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
a new argument arises lol.... military action against a nation who attacked us.... who would this be vedderman?
this is so tiring..this is the result of arguing..hey maybe if your senator cared so much he would be doing his job he got elected to do..
yes ledvedderman..its us the citizens who are against you and your politicians credibility...
hope the fight goes well for you and your man..
this is what irks me... i will never understand why people put faith and all trust in another human being.. while at the same time having a false image of someone.
You have stated that you are against all wars. If a nation were to attack us why would you have a problem with going after them. What is your problem w/ the Afghanistan War?
The fight is going really well for my candidate.
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
Give me a fucking break dude. Why are you even trying to understand my motives for voting for Obama. If you want to mind fuck yourself over his stance be my guest. But dont pretend you know why anyone is voting for a canidate, you have no idea, just like anyone else.