Is Obama going to stop the war?

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  • Im still here
    Im still here Posts: 826
    MasterFramer wrote:
    Source? And I don't want a speech that was given in front of a bunch of conservative Jewish people... I want a quote that says "I will give undying military support to Isreal no matter what" Talk about distorting reality...

    Well, keep in mind what the remark actually, if you had the whole thing, said. And what I said is nobody has suffered more than the Palestinian people from the failure of the Palestinian leadership to recognize Israel, to renounce violence, and to get serious about negotiating peace and security for the region. Israel is the linchpin of much of our efforts in the Middle East.
    Source: 2007 South Carolina Democratic primary debate, on MSNBC Apr 26, 2007

    http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Barack_Obama_Foreign_Policy.htm
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  • Anon
    Anon Posts: 11,175
    Im still here wrote:
    it would help if you make sense when you post

    lmfao

    what know you?

    did your mommy let you get online tonight?

    hahahahaha
    laugh it up fuzzball.....
    it's a star wars quote. i thought you would get it. it's fantasy. like all the other crap you go on with here.
  • MasterFramer
    MasterFramer Posts: 2,268
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Regardless of who think who is a member of what for whom and for whatever reasons...you can't say you're for peace and "anti-war" but you give full military support to a horrendously volatile situation.

    I mean...wtf?

    crazy...

    Again I want a quote where Obama said he was "For peace and will never attack another country ever again"
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  • Im still here
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    MasterFramer wrote:
    *joke*

    the Master Fuck up is in da house
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  • prism
    prism Posts: 2,440
    Im still here wrote:
    http://www.nowpublic.com/obama-cfr

    like I said one that isn't basically a blog of a RP supporter. that so-called "news" is nothing more than an op-ed piece written by some RP supporter, check out the bio of guy that wrote this. additionally he offers no sources to back up what he wrote
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  • MasterFramer
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    Im still here wrote:
    Well, keep in mind what the remark actually, if you had the whole thing, said. And what I said is nobody has suffered more than the Palestinian people from the failure of the Palestinian leadership to recognize Israel, to renounce violence, and to get serious about negotiating peace and security for the region. Israel is the linchpin of much of our efforts in the Middle East.
    Source: 2007 South Carolina Democratic primary debate, on MSNBC Apr 26, 2007

    http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Barack_Obama_Foreign_Policy.htm

    Again... where does he say we will bomb who ever attacks Israel... when has he ever said that? Bush didn't even do that... and you think Obama will?
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  • Im still here
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    prism wrote:
    like I said one that isn't basically a blog of a RP supporter. that so-called "news" is nothing more than an op-ed piece written by some RP supporter, check out the bio of guy that wrote this. additionally he offers no sources to back up what he wrote

    no matter what i bring to the table you won't believe, just live in your fantasy World, ok?

    did you ever think that maybe RP Supporters are the only ones who recognize what the CFR is and how it affects our Governement?
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  • MasterFramer
    MasterFramer Posts: 2,268
    Im still here wrote:
    no matter what i bring to the table you won't believe, just live in your fantasy World, ok?

    did you ever think that maybe RP Supporters are the only ones who recognize what the CFR is and how it affects our Governement?

    Post something credible... hey maybe your hip hop hommie that made that great NWO video has some credible information? Like Obama really is the devil and is paving the way for the anti Christ...
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  • prism
    prism Posts: 2,440
    Im still here wrote:
    no matter what i bring to the table you won't believe, just live in your fantasy World, ok?

    did you ever think that maybe RP Supporters are the only ones who recognize what the CFR is and how it affects our Governement?

    OMFG....I give you solid sources and solid back up for what i post.

    you on the otherhand will only believe whats written in the blogs of the wacked-out, tin-foil hat wearing crowd that supports RP.....

    and you accuse me of living in a fantasy world? talk about projecting
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    MasterFramer wrote:
    Again I want a quote where Obama said he was "For peace and will never attack another country ever again"

    Doesn't exist because it is was probably never said.

    Were you trying to confirm my observations or contest them?

    Either way.... as long as you're aware of that fact. A lot of Obama fans think he's Ghandi and will create miracles or something.

    If you believe the peace through force approach actually works then that's a different story.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • Im still here
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    MasterFramer wrote:
    Again... where does he say we will bomb who ever attacks Israel... when has he ever said that? Bush didn't even do that... and you think Obama will?

    but he is clearly sayin the aggression is on the Palestinian's side

    and the truth is: Israel has stolen all of their land and is oppressing them with acts of violence daily

    what would you do if you had all of your land stolen from you and you were being wiped out?

    he obviously doesn't see both sides, does he?
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  • Im still here
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    MasterFramer wrote:
    Post something credible... hey maybe your hip hop hommie that made that great NWO video has some credible information? Like Obama really is the devil and is paving the way for the anti Christ...

    credible is in the eye of the beholder, if you can't see that you are dumber than i thought you were

    is CNN, MSNBC, and FOX credible? i think not........

    they are the ones that got us into this War (Iraq), lying to us and being mouthpeices for the current Administration
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  • MasterFramer
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    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Doesn't exist because it is was probably never said.

    Were you trying to confirm my observations or contest them?

    Either way.... as long as you're aware of that fact. A lot of Obama fans think he's Ghandi and will create miracles or something.

    If you believe the peace through force approach actually works then that's a different story.

    My point is that you believe Obama has the finger on the button that will bomb Iran the second anything happens between Israel and Iran... or anyone else for that matter. But you have nothing to base that on other than a presidential candidate that says Israel is an ally we need in the middle east. Fucking Duh!

    Obama knew this war in Iraq was a bad idea... from the beginning. I don't see why you cant give him the benefit of the doubt that he is not the war monger you make him out to be (again based on NO FACTS WHAT SO EVER), that he was the foresight and calm to make a rational choice for the safety of the American people over the safety of Israel.

    Bush was wise enough to stay out of the Lebanon crisis and you think Obama wont because of some stupid quote that Israel is our ally? Come on man...
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  • prism
    prism Posts: 2,440
    Im still here wrote:
    but he is clearly sayin the aggression is on the Palestinian's side

    and the truth is: Israel has stolen all of their land and is oppressing them with acts of violence daily

    what would you do if you had all of your land stolen from you and you were being wiped out?

    he obviously doesn't see both sides, does he?

    wrong again. clearly he DOES see both sides


    Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: Obama will make progress on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict a key diplomatic priority. He will make a sustained push – working with Israelis and Palestinians – to achieve the goal of two states, a Jewish state in Israel and a Palestinian state, living side by side in peace and security.
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  • MasterFramer
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    Im still here wrote:
    credible is in the eye of the beholder, if you can't see that you are dumber than i thought you were

    is CNN, MSNBC, and FOX credible? i think not........

    they are the ones that got us into this War (Iraq), lying to us and being mouthpeices for the current Administration

    Jesus would be disappointed with you...

    no a credible source like a fucking national newspaper with quotes that can be verified... not some internet fucking blog or some stupid shit on his computer making NWO videos...

    A real source... not someone's opinion on the matter... that is never fact.
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  • MasterFramer
    MasterFramer Posts: 2,268
    prism wrote:
    wrong again. clearly he DOES see both sides


    Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: Obama will make progress on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict a key diplomatic priority. He will make a sustained push – working with Israelis and Palestinians – to achieve the goal of two states, a Jewish state in Israel and a Palestinian state, living side by side in peace and security.

    *gasp!!! He's going to nuke Iran the second he get to office... he fooled us all!!!

    :rolleyes:
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    MasterFramer wrote:
    My point is that you believe Obama has the finger on the button that will bomb Iran the second anything happens between Israel and Iran... or anyone else for that matter. But you have nothing to base that on other than a presidential candidate that says Israel is an ally we need in the middle east. Fucking Duh!

    Obama knew this war in Iraq was a bad idea... from the beginning. I don't see why you cant give him the benefit of the doubt that he is not the war monger you make him out to be (again based on NO FACTS WHAT SO EVER), that he was the foresight and calm to make a rational choice for the safety of the American people over the safety of Israel.

    Bush was wise enough to stay out of the Lebanon crisis and you think Obama wont because of some stupid quote that Israel is our ally? Come on man...

    Well he's lying to someone, or about something, either way. If what you say is accurate, then that much is obvious. I guess it's about his support for Israel. Something doesn't add up.

    edit: I'm out... I had a nice refreshing week away from this place at my own doing.

    I have things to do...
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  • Im still here
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    MasterFramer wrote:
    Jesus would be disappointed with you...

    no a credible source like a fucking national newspaper with quotes that can be verified... not some internet fucking blog or some stupid shit on his computer making NWO videos...

    A real source... not someone's opinion on the matter... that is never fact.

    all the Newspapers are owned by 6 Corporations

    credible?
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  • MasterFramer
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    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Well he's lying to someone, or about something, either way. If what you say is accurate, then that much is obvious. I guess it's about his support for Israel. Something doesn't add up.

    ANY one of the presidential candidates would have a similar stance on this issue, if not more aggressive looking at their records. If anyone in the running (and has a chance to be elected nationally) has a chance at fixing things over there it is Obama... it sure as hell isn't Mr. 100 years...
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  • Im still here
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    Im still here wrote:
    but he is clearly sayin the aggression is on the Palestinian's side

    and the truth is: Israel has stolen all of their land and is oppressing them with acts of violence daily

    what would you do if you had all of your land stolen from you and you were being wiped out?

    he obviously doesn't see both sides, does he?

    he said Israel is our Lynchpin in the Middle East??????

    why can't we just stay out of it??????

    why are we siding with the agressors?
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