Is Obama going to stop the war?

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  • Im still here
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  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    Im still here wrote:
    CPAC is a Conservative Organization

    did you see how they booed McCain????

    I loved it

    and for the record Bush is not a Conservative, he is a Right Wing Neo Con

    big difference

    Bush is not a conservative but he is a neo con? I know he isn't a Ron Paul conservative, but to the membrs of CPAC he is.
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  • Im still here
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    ledvedderman wrote:
    Bush is not a conservative but he is a neo con? I know he isn't a Ron Paul conservative, but to the membrs of CPAC he is.

    Bush is a Right Wing Neo Con who deserted the Conservative Movement moment the day he was sworn in........

    (empty promises)
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  • Im still here
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    just like Obama will desert you......
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  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    Im still here wrote:
    no I just dont think that scaring the public about WMDs is the way to go about policy issues

    I agree and that is why I am supporting Obama. He is the only candidate who wants to have open discussions with our enemies and not tough talking.

    Senator Clinton has even used the fear mongering in this election. None of that from the Obama camp.
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  • prism
    prism Posts: 2,440
    Im still here wrote:
    and this

    http://www.cfr.org/bios/11603/barack_obama.html

    if you need more sources i can find 'em

    he IS CFR scum


    :rolleyes:

    show me a source that with the current membership list for the CFR that isn't from the blog of one of RP supporters, if a list taken from 2006 isn't good enough for you


    oh my GAWD, Skippy! Ron Paul must be a member of the CFR too! just take a lookie http://www.cfr.org/bios/13303/ron_paul.html
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  • Im still here
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    Im still here wrote:
    and this sounds exactly like what Bush was preaching before invading Iraq, doesn't it?

    Like Clinton, Obama says the government’s priority should be preventing terrorist groups from obtaining weapons of mass destruction.

    sounds like fearmongering to me

    why must he say this?

    that should be a given, it's just to scare votes outta people, right?
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  • Im still here
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    prism wrote:
    :rolleyes:

    show me a source that with the current membership list for the CFR that isn't from the blog of one of RP supporters, if a list taken from 2006 isn't good enough for you


    oh my GAWD, Skippy! Ron Paul must be a member of the CFR too! just take a lookie http://www.cfr.org/bios/13303/ron_paul.html

    damnit

    point well taken

    i still think you suck
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  • Im still here
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    has anyone heard this before?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znavFjNw6IQ

    it's completely off topic but I wanted to share it
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    chipboy wrote:

    Is Obama going to stop the war?

    What's the general concensus?


    He's on the record more than a few times now for giving full and undying military support for Israel.

    Unless he expects Israel and the Palestinians (and pretty much the middle east at this point) to miraculously get along in the very, very near future, he is essentially just talking about what he would like to do if there was no conflict. Well...there is conflict.

    He either has a magic wand, he is in fact Jesus returned incognito, he's either outright lying or kidding himself and his supporters if he thinks he can give full military support and take a peace stance at the same time.

    laughable really...
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  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
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    guess we'll see what happens
  • Im still here
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    prism wrote:
    show me a source that with the current membership list for the CFR that isn't from the blog of one of RP supporters, if a list taken from 2006 isn't good enough for you

    http://www.nowpublic.com/obama-cfr
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  • prism
    prism Posts: 2,440
    Im still here wrote:
    damnit

    point well taken

    i still think you suck


    I will let you know that the CFR site has bios for ALL of the presidental candidates for '08. that certainly doesn't mean that they're members of the CFR


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  • Anon
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    prism wrote:
    oh my GAWD, Skippy! Ron Paul must be a member of the CFR too! just take a lookie http://www.cfr.org/bios/13303/ron_paul.html
    Im still here wrote:
    is the gang all here, I'm ready for you today
    ready are you? what know you of ready?
    that is why you fail...
  • Im still here
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    Pj_Gurl wrote:
    ready are you? what know you of ready?
    that is why you fail...

    it would help if you make sense when you post

    lmfao

    what know you?

    did your mommy let you get online tonight?

    hahahahaha
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  • Im still here
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    http://www.nowpublic.com/obama-cfr
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  • MasterFramer
    MasterFramer Posts: 2,268
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    He's on the record more than a few times now for giving full and undying military support for Israel.

    Unless he expects Israel and the Palestinians (and pretty much the middle east at this point) to miraculously get along in the very, very near future, he is essentially just talking about what he would like to do if there was no conflict. Well...there is conflict.

    He either has a magic wand, he is in fact Jesus returned incognito, he's either outright lying or kidding himself and his supporters if he thinks he can give full military support and take a peace stance at the same time.

    laughable really...

    Source? And I don't want a speech that was given in front of a bunch of conservative Jewish people... I want a quote that says "I will give undying military support to Isreal no matter what" Talk about distorting reality...
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  • Im still here
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    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    He's on the record more than a few times now for giving full and undying military support for Israel.

    Unless he expects Israel and the Palestinians (and pretty much the middle east at this point) to miraculously get along in the very, very near future, he is essentially just talking about what he would like to do if there was no conflict. Well...there is conflict.

    He either has a magic wand, he is in fact Jesus returned incognito, he's either outright lying or kidding himself and his supporters if he thinks he can give full military support and take a peace stance at the same time.

    laughable really...

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  • MasterFramer
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    Im still here wrote:
    bump

    *joke*
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Regardless of who think who is a member of what for whom and for whatever reasons...you can't say you're for peace and "anti-war" but you give full military support to a horrendously volatile situation.

    I mean...wtf?

    crazy...
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    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
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