i pity the godless....

Eliot Rosewater

chiefojibwa wrote:

yeah, ol' noah was pretty lucky that all the pairs of species he collected were fertile, eh?

man, that must have been one big fucking boat. and stinky.

I've read that it's physiologically impossible for a boat to be the size the bible claims to have been made of wood. If ever there were a fairy tale, it's Noah's Ark.....oh wait, or is it Jonah and the Whale....or Moses and the Burning Bush...or...you get my point.

humanlight

don't gimme no wrote:

I've read that it's physiologically impossible for a boat to be the size the bible claims to have been made of wood. If ever there were a fairy tale, it's Noah's Ark.....oh wait, or is it Jonah and the Whale....or Moses and the Burning Bush...or...you get my point.

these are the problems I have with chrisitianity. I know these things just did not happen. I truly believe that college ruined my faith in christianity...however.....I say that very hesitantly. I do feel that I am a very spiritual person. I do believe in Jesus. I do believe in God. but I believe that the stories that we read in the Bible are written by human beings, interpreted by human beings, and passed down through languages that do not have exact interpretations. I find my God in a valley, at the ocean, in the sky, etc. Those are my proofs that there is god, not a story about a man who made a wooden boat.

Pearl Jam and toast

angelica wrote:

Do you understand what all athiests see?

I can imagine they look differently from that perspective, particularly if one is using lack of awareness to distort what I am actually saying.

If you have a few categories, say of athiest or religious, by putting me in one or the other, you will have greatly distorted what I am saying.

If I were trying to "win an inch" you might have a case. However, it seems that you can't speak to my intent as you are apparently unaware of it.

so your case is to argue back and forth with that guy repeating yourselves?

Pearl Jam and toast

humanlight wrote:

Someone wrote about the myans, incans, american indians. They may not have had the "christian" god, but they are spiritual. thier traditions are covered in spiritual exercises. Most civilations are. to me this means...there is a great power. Regardless if you call it mother earth or jesus, or just god...there is "something." I think it is very irrogant of me to assume that my religion is the correct one. Maybe there is no correct one.

No, that means that there is a great need in humanity to have spirituality and to explain things around them that they don't understand.

But you're right, there can't be a correct religion, and it's extremely arrogant to say so.

Pearl Jam and toast

humanlight wrote:

these are the problems I have with chrisitianity. I know these things just did not happen. I truly believe that college ruined my faith in christianity...however.....I say that very hesitantly. I do feel that I am a very spiritual person. I do believe in Jesus. I do believe in God. but I believe that the stories that we read in the Bible are written by human beings, interpreted by human beings, and passed down through languages that do not have exact interpretations. I find my God in a valley, at the ocean, in the sky, etc. Those are my proofs that there is god, not a story about a man who made a wooden boat.

In defense of Christianity (which, for me, is rare) those stories were not meant as fact. You'd have to be a small child or the stupidest person on the planet to believe that.

It's a story with a lesson taught.. a fable.. it's meant to teach you a lesson not to teach you that god flooded the earth and moses parted the red sea.

surferdude

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

But you're right, there can't be a correct religion.

I'd say this is pretty fair. The way I see it, it is able trying to know and acknowledge God. Just like many people know and call you by different names (son, brother, uncle, dude, Joe, etc...), there is no one right way to know you. You are, hopefully, just happy that they do know you and vice-versa.

Pearl Jam and toast

surferdude wrote:

I'd say this is pretty fair. The way I see it, it is able trying to know and acknowledge God. Just like many people know and call you by different names (son, brother, uncle, dude, Joe, etc...), there is no one right way to know you. You are, hopefully, just happy that they do know you and vice-versa.

Yeah really. Plus, you'd think whatever being is up there would be happy with you just being a good person...

seanw1010

you know what, people on this thread might call me an ass, but id ont believe in any religious bullshit. go ahead, say what you want, i just think there are a million better things to do on sundays than go to church, and hear about how everyone is going tohell. im not saying people who believe in god are stupid, i just think it is a waste of time. (i think) the reason people believe in this stuff is because they just want to be reassured about death.

angelica

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

so your case is to argue back and forth with that guy repeating yourselves?

Each time you judge my actions, you reveal where you are coming from rather than where I am coming from.

If you are concerned with understanding my point of view, a consideration of my words would be a good place to start.

Pearl Jam and toast

angelica wrote:

Each time you judge my actions, you reveal where you are coming from rather than where I am coming from.

If you are concerned with understanding my point of view, a consideration of my words would be a good place to start.

i've done that.. long before this thread started.

but you two were just going at it, back and forth, saying basically the same thing each time.

angelica

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

i've done that.. long before this thread started.

but you two were just going at it, back and forth, saying basically the same thing each time.

You're entitled to your opinion.

I am concerned with speaking for my own purposes, not for satisfying yours.

cornnifer

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

No, that means that there is a great need in humanity to have spirituality and to explain things around them that they don't understand.

But you're right, there can't be a correct religion, and it's extremely arrogant to say so.

Yeah you're absolutely right. And it isn't at all arogant to slag people of faith and insist God is a myth because that's what YOU believe. Hypocrite of the highest order.

Eliot Rosewater

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

You (representing atheists) have a filter over the possibility that others see of things/realms/dimensions/whatever existing beyond our world. Call it whatever you will.


Her filter (representing religious folk) is filtering out anything that doesn't agree with their sense of "religion" or "spirituality", which is why we have so many religious wars.. it's not important that someone has a belief, it's important that everyone have your beliefs.

I'm not trying to back you into one of those "pushing your beliefs on me" corners, but in a nutshell that's the way things generally are.

jesus christ.

I'm sorry, but given the topic of this thread, the last two words in this post made me lmfao.

Binaural

miskin wrote:

athiests: u think ur brain power is a cause of nature? think to urselves on moment, one by one. is it possible that someone with ur complex thoughts and self awareness is just a mistake?

if you find a watch on an uninhabited island... you would say someone must have put it there. for a watch is too complex a mechanism to have just got there by chance. the watch must have had a designers, and a manufacturer, as its mechanisms are complex, and need to be exact for it to work.

think of yourself, and compare yourself with a watch. you must think you are very simple people

We pale in comparison to your eloquent diction and insights. Idiot.





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