i pity the godless....

farfromglorified

chiefojibwa wrote:

i'm a little rusty on the bible, but didn't cain and abel have a butt baby?

Not to my knowledge. But I wouldn't put it past Genesis.

Cain, Abel, and all the sons and daughters of Adam and Eve are tribes, not people.

Pearl Jam and toast

chiefojibwa wrote:

i'm a little rusty on the bible, but didn't cain and abel have a butt baby?

No, they had to do it with their sisters.

I heard Donahue say the other day "what, do evolutionists think that there were apes and then 'poof', it's now a human?"

That shows gross ignorance of evolutionary theory which is to be expected... but also.. what does Donahue think? There was nothing and then 'poof',.. everything is created..

I wonder if he's one of those people who think Dinosaurs and humans coexisted... those "t-rex was a vegetarian, that's why the human race survived" people..

farfromglorified

dunkman1974 wrote:

did i say they were?

When you ask a silly question like ""how did Cain and Abel have children?", it seems to be implied.

are you implying incest then?

I'm not implying anything. The biblical account of the line of Adam and Eve comes from Genesis 5. Depending on which version you read, incest can be applied. But if you read the Talmud you'll find a case to be made that Adam slept with other women. Jewish traditions in particular sometimes address Adam's "other wife".

farfromglorified

double post

dunkman

farfromglorified wrote:

When you ask a silly question like ""how did Cain and Abel have children?", it seems to be implied.

it isnt a silly question if i dont know the answer... and yet its so 'silly' a question that you cant answer it...

farfromglorified

dunkman1974 wrote:

it isnt a silly question if i dont know the answer... and yet its so 'silly' a question that you cant answer it...

You can answer it if you accept the premise on which it's asked.

If you believe that there were people named Adam and Eve and you believe that they had two children named Cain and Abel and you believe that they also had numerous other sons and daughters, it becomes quite easy to answer the question in one of two ways:

1) If you further believe that there were other people besides Adam and Eve outside the bloodline, Cain and Abel and others could have children by sleeping with them.

2) If you do not believe that there were other people, Cain and Abel could have children by sleeping with their mother or sisters.

If it worked for French royalty, it could work for Adam and Eve. Seems pretty straight forward to me.

MCG

religous people who think they need to preach to the world. I'm glad for people who have found something to believe in if it makes them happy and allows them to live their life better. Trying to change someone's beliefs is a fools game, no matter how good your 'watch' example may be.

I don't think the truth about any of the magic in this world has or will ever be revealed, and I do have trouble believing the teaching of a book that's been translated in several different languages, re-written serveral times, writtten hundreds of years after the fact and is not based on historical evidence and facts. That is not to say I don't believe in a "God", just not God in a conventional sense.

dunkman

farfromglorified wrote:

If it worked for French royalty, it could work for Adam and Eve. Seems pretty straight forward to me.

and look what happened to French royalty...

dunkman

farfromglorified wrote:

You can answer it if you accept the premise on which it's asked.

If you believe that there were people named Adam and Eve and you believe that they had two children named Cain and Abel and you believe that they also had numerous other sons and daughters, it becomes quite easy to answer the question in one of two ways:

1) If you further believe that there were other people besides Adam and Eve outside the bloodline, Cain and Abel and others could have children by sleeping with them.

2) If you do not believe that there were other people, Cain and Abel could have children by sleeping with their mother or sisters.

If it worked for French royalty, it could work for Adam and Eve. Seems pretty straight forward to me.

i dont actually believe in any of it... so its null and void to me.... but the story of the bible, to me at least, has had Cane and Abel being sole sons.. not analogies for tribes... the bible isnt poetry... it is however, brilliant fiction

farfromglorified

dunkman1974 wrote:

i dont actually believe in any of it... so its null and void to me.... but the story of the bible, to me at least, has had Cane and Abel being sole sons.. not analogies for tribes... the bible isnt poetry... it is however, brilliant fiction

Ok. If it's "null and void" the question is really silly. How would you feel if I asked this question:

"How did the transformers and the smurfs have children???"

That said, I don't believe in two people named Cain or Abel either. But as a side note, the Bible does not say that Cain and Abel are Adam and Eve's sole sons. That's a misconception. Read Genesis 5. Verse 4 or 5 I believe.

farfromglorified

dunkman1974 wrote:

and look what happened to French royalty...

The sons and daughters of Adam and Eve aren't doing so hot either.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/27/mideast.main/index.html

danmac

farfromglorified wrote:

The sons and daughters of Adam and Eve aren't doing so hot either.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/27/mideast.main/index.html

Haha, yeah.

So, about this fish thing? I felt like we were getting somewhere there...

farfromglorified

danmac wrote:

So, about this fish thing? I felt like we were getting somewhere there...

Please answer this question:

Can you point to all of reality?

dunkman

farfromglorified wrote:

Ok. If it's "null and void" the question is really silly. How would you feel if I asked this question:

"How did the transformers and the smurfs have children???"

That said, I don't believe in two people named Cain or Abel either. But as a side note, the Bible does not say that Cain and Abel are Adam and Eve's sole sons. That's a misconception. Read Genesis 5. Verse 4 or 5 I believe.

thats not silly... Optimus Prime shagged the girl smurf...

my answer is that they didnt... just as my answer to Cain and Abel having children is "they didnt".... i was asking anyone who believes in the Cain and Abel thing HOW they had children... i'm interested as to what the answer is in religious terms, from believers!

what is the churchs' official stand on the Cain and Abel query is what i'm getting at!

danmac

farfromglorified wrote:

Please answer this question:

Can you point to all of reality?

What is reality?

I can point to all I see on this earth.

The rest I know about, and could, if fiscally viable of course, take you to. Or the very least I could put you in touch with people who have SEEN what I have not, or show you other concrete evidence of that existence.

But reality is to big, so pick an item, an animal, fauna, and I yes, I can find the means, through research, to tell you, where to find those objects physically.

I ask, show me god, nobody can do that.

angelica

danmac wrote:

What is reality?

I ask, show me god, nobody can do that.

Can you show me your personal experience of love? Is it real?

farfromglorified

danmac wrote:

What is reality?

Everything that exists.

I can point to all I see on this earth.

And what if God does not wish to be seen on this earth?

The rest I know about, and could, if fiscally viable of course, take you to. Or the very least I could put you in touch with people who have SEEN what I have not, or show you other concrete evidence of that existence.

Can they show me everything that exists?

But reality is to big, so pick an item, an animal, fauna, and I yes, I can find the means, through research, to tell you, where to find those objects physically.

Then go ahead. Reaseach God. Show us that he doesn't exist.

I ask, show me god, nobody can do that.

Nor can you do the opposite.

danmac

angelica wrote:

Can you show me your personal experience of love? Is it real?

1) Define love.

2) I don't tell other people about that 'love' I may have, I don't go to war in the name of that love, or use that love as a tool of oppression, or brow beat other people with that love, nor do i start threads that state "I pity those without my love,"

3) Love is a chemical process in the brain. It is not an object, nor a person, but a feeling. 'God' allegedly, is an object who created the object upon which we live. Feelings cannot creat anything but more feelings.

farfromglorified

dunkman1974 wrote:

thats not silly... Optimus Prime shagged the girl smurf...

Ouch.

my answer is that they didnt... just as my answer to Cain and Abel having children is "they didnt".... i was asking anyone who believes in the Cain and Abel thing HOW they had children... i'm interested as to what the answer is in religious terms, from believers!

Well, you're not really asking a question when you already have an answer. It's fine by my book to believe that Cain and Abel didn't have children. But I think most religious people would give you exactly the answer I did and it is potentially valid.

what is the churchs' official stand on the Cain and Abel query is what i'm getting at!

I'm going to assume they'd tell you to read Genesis. That said, someone with greater knowledge of the organizations might be able to tell you more.

farfromglorified

danmac wrote:

Feelings cannot creat anything but more feelings.

By this logic, feelings can also create actions.