i pity the godless....

miskin

athiests: u think ur brain power is a cause of nature? think to urselves on moment, one by one. is it possible that someone with ur complex thoughts and self awareness is just a mistake?

if you find a watch on an uninhabited island... you would say someone must have put it there. for a watch is too complex a mechanism to have just got there by chance. the watch must have had a designers, and a manufacturer, as its mechanisms are complex, and need to be exact for it to work.

think of yourself, and compare yourself with a watch. you must think you are very simple people

sourdough

miskin wrote:

athiests: u think ur brain power is a cause of nature? think to urselves on moment, one by one. is it possible that someone with ur complex thoughts and self awareness is just a mistake?

if you find a watch on an uninhabited island... you would say someone must have put it there. for a watch is too complex a mechanism to have just got there by chance. the watch must have had a designers, and a manufacturer, as its mechanisms are complex, and need to be exact for it to work.

think of yourself, and compare yourself with a watch. you must think you are very simple people

I'm sure you are doing nothing but benefitting Jesus by saying something like that.

Abookamongstthemany

miskin wrote:

athiests: u think ur brain power is a cause of nature? think to urselves on moment, one by one. is it possible that someone with ur complex thoughts and self awareness is just a mistake?

if you find a watch on an uninhabited island... you would say someone must have put it there. for a watch is too complex a mechanism to have just got there by chance. the watch must have had a designers, and a manufacturer, as its mechanisms are complex, and need to be exact for it to work.

think of yourself, and compare yourself with a watch. you must think you are very simple people

people make watches... and now people have figured out how to make people.

miskin

ive been broguth up catholic, but dont really believe in jesus and miracles and all that malarchy. i just believe there is something higher than myself. to thinkt that humans are the pinnacle of all creation is worrying almost.

sourdough

So my question to you is why do you believe in a God? What made you believe and who is your god and what does it stand for? Did you just invent this god, or is there a rational reason for your belief?

farfromglorified

miskin wrote:

ive been broguth up catholic, but dont really believe in jesus and miracles and all that malarchy. i just believe there is something higher than myself. to thinkt that humans are the pinnacle of all creation is worrying almost.

Oh my how they've broken you. Dear child, humans are not the "pinnacle" of all creation. Creation is not a contest.

Ahnimus

miskin wrote:

athiests: u think ur brain power is a cause of nature? think to urselves on moment, one by one. is it possible that someone with ur complex thoughts and self awareness is just a mistake?

if you find a watch on an uninhabited island... you would say someone must have put it there. for a watch is too complex a mechanism to have just got there by chance. the watch must have had a designers, and a manufacturer, as its mechanisms are complex, and need to be exact for it to work.

think of yourself, and compare yourself with a watch. you must think you are very simple people

Creationism *sigh*

This is what all Intelligent Design arguers claim. Because a watch was made by man everything complex is made by something.

There is one major flaw in that train of thought. If everything under god is so complex that it must have been created by god, then that means god is the most complex thing in existence, who created god?

Abookamongstthemany

Ahnimus wrote:

Creationism *sigh*

This is what all Intelligent Design arguers claim. Because a watch was made by man everything complex is made by something.

There is one major flaw in that train of thought. If everything under god is so complex that it must have been created by god, then that means god is the most complex thing in existence, who created god?

Stop it!!! I always think of these things when I'm high til it drives me nuts! Who created existance and how far is space, how can there be nothing and at the same time, how can there be something???

surferdude

sourdough wrote:

So my question to you is why do you believe in a God?

I went looking for the truth. What I've found so far convinces me there is a God.

sourdough wrote:

What made you believe and who is your god and what does it stand for?

I believe based on what I've found. As for what God stands for I'm learning a little every day. Love would be a good starting place.

sourdough wrote:

Did you just invent this god, or is there a rational reason for your belief?

Rational reason for my belief. Probably no more so than there is to believe that we are real and not just someone else's dream or imagination.

You obviously seem to believe there is no God. How did you come to this belief? What makes you belief this? Is there a rational reason for your belief? Do you even exist?

Rhinocerous Surprise

The first sentence of this thread reminded me of that Armageddon thread where someone called all atheists anit-christs. Funny stuff...

I was brought up Catholic too... Stopped believin when I was... ooh... 15? I just stopped and realised that I, like most of the kids my age, was going to mass every week cos it's what my parents made me do all my life. Now I was old enough to realise that it wasn't fulfilling me like it was the rest of my family. It never had. I had never really believed in god any more than I had in santa claus - and god didn't even leave any presents under my christmas tree.

Don't pity us atheists cos you believe, any more than you'd want us to pity you cos we don't believe... if that made any sense.

Rhinocerous Surprise

surferdude wrote:

I went looking for the truth. What I've found so far convinces me there is a God.
I believe based on what I've found.

So what exactly did you find?

surferdude

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

So what exactly did you find?

I found what I found. Look for yourself then decide for yourself. I think far too many people come to their conclusion before their search.

RockinInCanada

I believe in something cause I cannot answer everything...therefore leaving a mystery that I cannot solve...

Milestone

surferdude wrote:

I went looking for the truth. What I've found so far convinces me there is a God.

Most of the peaceful non-warring civilizations on earth DIDN'T believe in "God".

(Incas, Mayans, American Indians, many African tribes, ect....)


Most of the hating, condemning, warring, and killing civilizations DO believe in "God".

(Christians, Muslims, Jews)


That's the 'truth' that I found....which leads me to believe that there really is not a god.

angelica

Ahnimus wrote:

Creationism *sigh*

This is what all Intelligent Design arguers claim. Because a watch was made by man everything complex is made by something.

There is one major flaw in that train of thought. If everything under god is so complex that it must have been created by god, then that means god is the most complex thing in existence, who created god?

God/consciousness/spirit is eternal. No beginning no end.

If that was the flaw in the train of thought, now what? The original argument stands?

sourdough

surferdude wrote:

I went looking for the truth. What I've found so far convinces me there is a God.
I believe based on what I've found. As for what God stands for I'm learning a little every day. Love would be a good starting place.Rational reason for my belief. Probably no more so than there is to believe that we are real and not just someone else's dream or imagination.

You obviously seem to believe there is no God. How did you come to this belief? What makes you belief this? Is there a rational reason for your belief? Do you even exist?

I used to be very, very pious, almost fanatical at times I think and my best friends are people who I met through church. No I don't believe in God anymore, and I think for a variety of reasons. I think I began to realise that the church was playing on mostly emotional appeals and found it to be a bit manipulative to the point where I began to question what was real and was was merely emotional manipulation to convince me that I was filled with the "spirit".

Secondly as I got older I started to question things like the rationality and accuracy of the bible. I also learned much more about science and the more I learned at school, the more things made sense to me. I wasn't necessarily abandoning God at this point, but I found I had no answers from the bible or from the church, except I had to have faith, but nothing was given to ground me in it.

I really wish I could believe in a God, but I can't and won't just so I can deceive myself in believing something I really don't. this probably doesn't make much sense to you, but it does to me. I guess I'm a skeptic and science provides me with more answers than God.

rightondude

" I Pity the Fool that Pities or tries to rise themselves above the "Fool" "

They do it to elevate themselves. Makes me want to puke just as bad as the 180 of the scenario.

Be the line inbetween that looks closely at both sides for what they really are.

wrongness to the left....wrongness to the right. So, what is right?

Forget the #$%^ past, in this matter it is of no constructive use.

Stop and think about the right now. As in right this very second. Achieve clarity. Empty your mind of all thought, then reintroduce what you see as the ultimate solution. Now how would you accomplish it? more killing on either side?

LanceUppercut

I took intro to philosphy too. That is right out of the text. That is one of many arguements for/against god. That example proves nothing on it's own.

I love how you copied and pasted out of your textbook. Saves people moeny from having to buy them and makes you look like you are smarter than you really are. win win!

angelica

Milestone wrote:

Most of the peaceful non-warring civilizations on earth DIDN'T believe in "God".

(Incas, Mayans, American Indians, many African tribes, ect....)

I consider all concepts of a higher spiritual reality to be the same thing looked at through different lenses. Especially in talking of where we came from--extending from a spiritual power is the same at the base of most known spiritual practises, including some if not all that you mention above.

Rhinocerous Surprise

surferdude wrote:

I found what I found. Look for yourself then decide for yourself. I think far too many people come to their conclusion before their search.

"I found what I found" is not an answer, in my book. If that qualifies as an answer, how do you know who has searched before reaching their conclusions?

"Hey, do you believe in God?"
"Yes, I did my research and what I found proves for a fact that God exists."
"Oh really? That's so cool, what did you find?"
"I, um.... found what I found..."

And so on.

surferdude

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

"I found what I found" is not an answer, in my book. If that qualifies as an answer, how do you know who has searched before reaching their conclusions?

"Hey, do you believe in God?"
"Yes, I did my research and what I found proves for a fact that God exists."
"Oh really? That's so cool, what did you find?"
"I, um.... found what I found..."

And so on.

It's not at all like that. Your question is liking asking someone for proof that they have ever loved someone. Many truths are impossible to prove.