that just becos the bible has 619 commandments for living does not mean we should base our entire society upon it/them. there are 1000 different books offering 1000 different ways to run society. the bible has no stranglehold on morality. and it's quite possible to have morality without the bible.
the 619 commandments are not in the bible. they are mentioned a few times but they are not written out there. i've said many times that the bible was originated by corrupt men so i'm not sure why you'd mention it to me. you can have morality without the bible; i agree; but only if you follow the 619 commandments. knowingly or unknowingly.
not in the slightest. it would be quite arrogant of me to think that everyone could find the same enlightenment i have. i'll say a prayer that your enlightenment comes quickly.
I was just playing both sides of the field. But taking my example into regard, you can see how some people would get offended and feel like they're being looked down upon, can't you?
I think a lot of people have problems with religion because of the people who have used it to push their personal agendas. I understand that religion can be a good thing for someone. I also understand that you can try to help people get involved with religion without being too forceful or preachy. But I think a lot of people look at it as a tool used by people to try and mold society by what they see fit. They've seen religion being used as a sword to spill blood. They've seen religion as a wall to keep people out. They've seen religion as a telescope that falls on those who it deems "unworthy" or "wrong". They've also see these same people who use religion in this way do corrupt and unjustifiable things that goes against the very thing they preach about. That's why religion catches a lot of flak and a lot of people hold nothing but anger towards it.
I was just playing both sides of the field. But taking my example into regard, you can see how some people would get offended and feel like they're being looked down upon, can't you?
I think a lot of people have problems with religion because of the people who have used it to push their personal agendas. I understand that religion can be a good thing for someone. I also understand that you can try to help people get involved with religion without being too forceful or preachy. But I think a lot of people look at it as a tool used by people to try and mold society by what they see fit. They've seen religion being used as a sword to spill blood. They've seen religion as a wall to keep people out. They've seen religion as a telescope that falls on those who it deems "unworthy" or "wrong". They've also see these same people who use religion in this way do corrupt and unjustifiable things that goes against the very thing they preach about. That's why religion catches a lot of flak and a lot of people hold nothing but anger towards it.
and i can point to several posts by athiests that fit into those parallels. i don't look down on athiests. God said they will come prior to the end of times. they are fulfilling prophicies and should be welcomed as they bring the end nearer.
and i can point to several posts by athiests that fit into those parallels. i don't look down on athiests. God said they will come prior to the end of times. they are fulfilling prophicies and should be welcomed as they bring the end nearer.
How can you chastize people that use the Bible as God's word, when clearly that's what you are speaking of here?
Or has God divinely inspired you separate from the rest?
BTW, originally there were many atheists, and there has always been atheistic Buddhism and other religions. So that prophecy is utter bunk.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
and i can point to several posts by athiests that fit into those parallels. i don't look down on athiests. God said they will come prior to the end of times. they are fulfilling prophicies and should be welcomed as they bring the end nearer.
Go ahead and find the posts. It wont get me down any. I'm not them. I wont defend anyone and just because I may fall into a same category with them means nothing. You asked why. I told you why when it comes to some people.
Oh, and by the way, when you're told your going to hell and your wrong constantly, its going to make you a little bitter. Believe it or not, its not like a lot of us simply go against believing in god because its the "in" thing to do. We just dont have any feeling whatsoever that there is one.
By the way crediting atheists with bringing the end times is only going to boost our egos.
By the way crediting atheists with bringing the end times is only going to boost our egos.
In the Gnostic gospels, I believe the Gospel of James, Jesus says it's already over. But, if we are all gonna have a ritual, I'll grab my pitch fork.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
no, it doesn't bother them if you're pro-religion. it bothers them that you're pro-religion and are so arrogant about it that you pity anyone who isn't. why can you not grasp that?
I see. You're assigning your own ...or at least an alternate connotation for "I feel sorry for them". I'm not doing it from a position of arrogance. I truly believe something very bad will happen to them and I'd like to be able to prevent it. I don't think I'm better than anyone else whatsoever. I just want to prevent people from suffering something that I believe will happen. I don't understand how that's arrogant.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I see. You're assigning your own ...or at least an alternate connotation for "I feel sorry for them". I'm not doing it from a position of arrogance. I truly believe something very bad will happen to them and I'd like to be able to prevent it. I don't think I'm better than anyone else whatsoever. I just want to prevent people from suffering something that I believe will happen. I don't understand how that's arrogant.
I believe religious experiences are psychotic. You wouldn't believe how much resistance I get for that.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Dude. it's 2007. just bring your jet pack and light saber.
But I want to party like it's 1999 B.C.E.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I truly believe something very bad will happen to them and I'd like to be able to prevent it. I don't think I'm better than anyone else whatsoever. I just want to prevent people from suffering something that I believe will happen. I don't understand how that's arrogant.
Know1, I truly believe that something very bad will happen to you if you continue to believe in Christ. I don't think I'm any better than you, I just want to prevent you from suffering the bad thing that will happen to you for believing the way you do!
I'm not arrogant. I am just absolutely certain that I know what's best for you, and furthermore, absolutely certain that you have no idea what is best for yourself and need me to correct you and set you on the right path as I have determined it.
No, that's not arrogant.
The kids of today should defend themselves against the Seventies Nineties.
So folks, do we think that instead of focusing on our differences, we could perhaps find unity in other ways?
I mean we are all Pearl Jam fans right?
And I'm sure there are other things too. I'm quite sure love is another.
Perhaps we may share more commanalities than differences?
I guess regardless of what side of this "debate" you sit on, or whatever your views, the thing to remember here is respect. Respect for yourself and respect for the people around you.
And I'll add one of my favorite quotes here. Probably not quoted exactly but the gist is, "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to my death your right to say it."
So folks, do we think that instead of focusing on our differences, we could perhaps find unity in other ways?
I mean we are all Pearl Jam fans right?
And I'm sure there are other things too. I'm quite sure love is another.
Perhaps we may share more commanalities than differences?
I guess regardless of what side of this "debate" you sit on, or whatever your views, the thing to remember here is respect. Respect for yourself and respect for the people around you.
And I'll add one of my favorite quotes here. Probably not quoted exactly but the gist is, "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to my death your right to say it."
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I think that's what most of us believe... that there are several, not just one path towards God. We believe that the Christians and the Catholics and the Jews and the Muslims and the Buddhists and the Scientologists and yes... even the Atheists can follow a path to God simply by being a good person in this life.
And of course... there are those whom disagree. But, at least for me... there is no anomosity. Who am I to say who's opinion or belief is right or wrong... no one assigned that task to me and I'm not knowing enough to know. The only truth I know concerning God and religion is that I don't know and will probably never know. I also know that no one else knows... regardless on how much they believe they do.
peace on Earth... Good will towards ALL men (and women).
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
So folks, do we think that instead of focusing on our differences, we could perhaps find unity in other ways?
I mean we are all Pearl Jam fans right?
And I'm sure there are other things too. I'm quite sure love is another.
Perhaps we may share more commanalities than differences?
I guess regardless of what side of this "debate" you sit on, or whatever your views, the thing to remember here is respect. Respect for yourself and respect for the people around you.
And I'll add one of my favorite quotes here. Probably not quoted exactly but the gist is, "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to my death your right to say it."
Man, you're boring. (joking)
about your quote...good quote. Doesnt apply with everything though. Sometimes you just gotta shrug and be like "Damn man. You knew you shouldna said that. Now look. screaming cause you about to get ate by lions."
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I don't know... isn't 619 spelled sideways, 666?
I googled it ... all I got was links to a bunch of places in the 619 area code, talking about the ten commandments. These 619 commandments certainly are a well-kept secret.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
I googled it ... all I got was links to a bunch of places in the 619 area code, talking about the ten commandments. These 619 commandments certainly are a well-kept secret.
i put quotes around 619 commandments.........notice the first result....:)
I googled it ... all I got was links to a bunch of places in the 619 area code, talking about the ten commandments. These 619 commandments certainly are a well-kept secret.
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619 sounds familiar... I think it's San Diego. Really.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
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I think that's what most of us believe... that there are several, not just one path towards God. We believe that the Christians and the Catholics and the Jews and the Muslims and the Buddhists and the Scientologists and yes... even the Atheists can follow a path to God simply by being a good person in this life.
And of course... there are those whom disagree. But, at least for me... there is no anomosity. Who am I to say who's opinion or belief is right or wrong... no one assigned that task to me and I'm not knowing enough to know. The only truth I know concerning God and religion is that I don't know and will probably never know. I also know that no one else knows... regardless on how much they believe they do.
peace on Earth... Good will towards ALL men (and women).
I don't think my choosing to try to always be a good person has anything to do with God or athiesm or religion. It is part of who I am, just as brown hair and blue eyes is. I understand that for some people their belief is that they do try to be a good person based on their belief in God. And that's great. But I also don't believe that I am on a path to find God either. At this point in my life I would say that I don't believe that God exists, or that there is "one all encompassing higher power". And like you, I don't feel that it is necessary to answer this question in order to live a good life. Perhaps I will never know if God exists. Perhaps I will. This is an unknown for me at this point. I am happy for those people who have God and do believe. Just as I accept that for some people there is no God and they do not believe.
But it pleases me no end Cosmo to know that you also choose not to fight about it. Because fighting about religion or athiesm seems counterproductive to me if we are all trying to reach the same end. Which I am thinking is unity, peace and love.
Know1, I truly believe that something very bad will happen to you if you continue to believe in Christ. I don't think I'm any better than you, I just want to prevent you from suffering the bad thing that will happen to you for believing the way you do!
I'm not arrogant. I am just absolutely certain that I know what's best for you, and furthermore, absolutely certain that you have no idea what is best for yourself and need me to correct you and set you on the right path as I have determined it.
No, that's not arrogant.
know1, i think what Dog Loyal is doing here is doing the very same thing that he is accusing you for.
Dog Loyal, never in your life have you ever been so wrong in the very moment that you typed those lines above. I believe in Christ and nothing but good things have happened in my life. Hell, I'm even a porn star.
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
about your quote...good quote. Doesnt apply with everything though. Sometimes you just gotta shrug and be like "Damn man. You knew you shouldna said that. Now look. screaming cause you about to get ate by lions."
Well not trying to be boring.
Just hoping that people could be accepting and perhaps focus on their shared views as opposed to frying each other in boiling oil for disagreeing.
And as to the quote, well yes, people do say things that I believe they shouldn't, but I do believe they should still be able to speak. I have the right to accept or reject what they are saying. Just as they do with what I say.
The important thing, I believe, is that no one should be silenced.
To believe nothing, is not to believe in anything.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
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i'm kinda glad they cut out the other 609 Commandments... imagine the size of the stone that guy in Alabama would have needed in order to put the 619 Commandments in that courthouse. I'm guessing that foyer would look like that Rene Magritte painting. http://www.artsender.com/gallery/details.asp?PaintingID=4990
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Besides... no one follows the Ten Commandments, anyway.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
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i'm kinda glad they cut out the other 609 Commandments... imagine the size of the stone that guy in Alabama would have needed in order to put the 619 Commandments in that courthouse. I'm guessing that foyer would look like that Rene Magritte painting. http://www.artsender.com/gallery/details.asp?PaintingID=4990
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Besides... no one follows the Ten Commandments, anyway.
well i might have if someone had told me there were more.....i like to see the big picture..........;)
I don't think my choosing to try to always be a good person has anything to do with God or athiesm or religion. It is part of who I am, just as brown hair and blue eyes is. I understand that for some people their belief is that they do try to be a good person based on their belief in God. And that's great. But I also don't believe that I am on a path to find God either. At this point in my life I would say that I don't believe that God exists, or that there is "one all encompassing higher power". And like you, I don't feel that it is necessary to answer this question in order to live a good life. Perhaps I will never know if God exists. Perhaps I will. This is an unknown for me at this point. I am happy for those people who have God and do believe. Just as I accept that for some people there is no God and they do not believe.
But it pleases me no end Cosmo to know that you also choose not to fight about it. Because fighting about religion or athiesm seems counterproductive to me if we are all trying to reach the same end. Which I am thinking is unity, peace and love.
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You're right... people who are nice to other people shouldn't do it looking for a reward in their afterlife... they do it just because it is the nice thing to do. And that character trait has nothing to do with God. Just like Charity... you shouldn't do it for tax write off or to expect something in return... you should just give because someone else needs it more than you do.
I'm not looking for the a ticket to heaven... I'm looking for the truth. Something else I know I will never find. Still, it keeps be busy and I find all sorts of interesting things along the way.
As for the paths towards God... I just think that just because a person believes in a different faith... and wants to find God... no one religion has the answer. Christianity doesn't corner the market on God's love... and neither do any of the other religions. I believe God loves us, no matter which text we go by... or don't go by at all. I think all He wants is for us to be good to each other. That's all.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
the 619 commandments are not in the bible. they are mentioned a few times but they are not written out there. i've said many times that the bible was originated by corrupt men so i'm not sure why you'd mention it to me. you can have morality without the bible; i agree; but only if you follow the 619 commandments. knowingly or unknowingly.
where do these 619 commandments come from then? where are they listed? who wrote them down? did you imagine them out of thin air?
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the 619 commandments are not in the bible. they are mentioned a few times but they are not written out there. i've said many times that the bible was originated by corrupt men so i'm not sure why you'd mention it to me. you can have morality without the bible; i agree; but only if you follow the 619 commandments. knowingly or unknowingly.
I was just playing both sides of the field. But taking my example into regard, you can see how some people would get offended and feel like they're being looked down upon, can't you?
I think a lot of people have problems with religion because of the people who have used it to push their personal agendas. I understand that religion can be a good thing for someone. I also understand that you can try to help people get involved with religion without being too forceful or preachy. But I think a lot of people look at it as a tool used by people to try and mold society by what they see fit. They've seen religion being used as a sword to spill blood. They've seen religion as a wall to keep people out. They've seen religion as a telescope that falls on those who it deems "unworthy" or "wrong". They've also see these same people who use religion in this way do corrupt and unjustifiable things that goes against the very thing they preach about. That's why religion catches a lot of flak and a lot of people hold nothing but anger towards it.
and i can point to several posts by athiests that fit into those parallels. i don't look down on athiests. God said they will come prior to the end of times. they are fulfilling prophicies and should be welcomed as they bring the end nearer.
How can you chastize people that use the Bible as God's word, when clearly that's what you are speaking of here?
Or has God divinely inspired you separate from the rest?
BTW, originally there were many atheists, and there has always been atheistic Buddhism and other religions. So that prophecy is utter bunk.
And it's spelled AthEist.
Go ahead and find the posts. It wont get me down any. I'm not them. I wont defend anyone and just because I may fall into a same category with them means nothing. You asked why. I told you why when it comes to some people.
Oh, and by the way, when you're told your going to hell and your wrong constantly, its going to make you a little bitter. Believe it or not, its not like a lot of us simply go against believing in god because its the "in" thing to do. We just dont have any feeling whatsoever that there is one.
By the way crediting atheists with bringing the end times is only going to boost our egos.
In the Gnostic gospels, I believe the Gospel of James, Jesus says it's already over. But, if we are all gonna have a ritual, I'll grab my pitch fork.
I see. You're assigning your own ...or at least an alternate connotation for "I feel sorry for them". I'm not doing it from a position of arrogance. I truly believe something very bad will happen to them and I'd like to be able to prevent it. I don't think I'm better than anyone else whatsoever. I just want to prevent people from suffering something that I believe will happen. I don't understand how that's arrogant.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Dude. it's 2007. just bring your jet pack and light saber.
I believe religious experiences are psychotic. You wouldn't believe how much resistance I get for that.
But I want to party like it's 1999 B.C.E.
I'm not arrogant. I am just absolutely certain that I know what's best for you, and furthermore, absolutely certain that you have no idea what is best for yourself and need me to correct you and set you on the right path as I have determined it.
No, that's not arrogant.
I mean we are all Pearl Jam fans right?
And I'm sure there are other things too. I'm quite sure love is another.
Perhaps we may share more commanalities than differences?
I guess regardless of what side of this "debate" you sit on, or whatever your views, the thing to remember here is respect. Respect for yourself and respect for the people around you.
And I'll add one of my favorite quotes here. Probably not quoted exactly but the gist is, "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to my death your right to say it."
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
I don't know... isn't 619 spelled sideways, 666?
Hail, Hail!!!
I think that's what most of us believe... that there are several, not just one path towards God. We believe that the Christians and the Catholics and the Jews and the Muslims and the Buddhists and the Scientologists and yes... even the Atheists can follow a path to God simply by being a good person in this life.
And of course... there are those whom disagree. But, at least for me... there is no anomosity. Who am I to say who's opinion or belief is right or wrong... no one assigned that task to me and I'm not knowing enough to know. The only truth I know concerning God and religion is that I don't know and will probably never know. I also know that no one else knows... regardless on how much they believe they do.
peace on Earth... Good will towards ALL men (and women).
Hail, Hail!!!
Man, you're boring. (joking)
about your quote...good quote. Doesnt apply with everything though. Sometimes you just gotta shrug and be like "Damn man. You knew you shouldna said that. Now look. screaming cause you about to get ate by lions."
i put quotes around 619 commandments.........notice the first result....:)
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=as2&q=%22619+commandments%22&btnG=Search
619 sounds familiar... I think it's San Diego. Really.
Hail, Hail!!!
I don't think my choosing to try to always be a good person has anything to do with God or athiesm or religion. It is part of who I am, just as brown hair and blue eyes is. I understand that for some people their belief is that they do try to be a good person based on their belief in God. And that's great. But I also don't believe that I am on a path to find God either. At this point in my life I would say that I don't believe that God exists, or that there is "one all encompassing higher power". And like you, I don't feel that it is necessary to answer this question in order to live a good life. Perhaps I will never know if God exists. Perhaps I will. This is an unknown for me at this point. I am happy for those people who have God and do believe. Just as I accept that for some people there is no God and they do not believe.
But it pleases me no end Cosmo to know that you also choose not to fight about it. Because fighting about religion or athiesm seems counterproductive to me if we are all trying to reach the same end. Which I am thinking is unity, peace and love.
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
Dog Loyal, never in your life have you ever been so wrong in the very moment that you typed those lines above. I believe in Christ and nothing but good things have happened in my life. Hell, I'm even a porn star.
Well not trying to be boring.
Just hoping that people could be accepting and perhaps focus on their shared views as opposed to frying each other in boiling oil for disagreeing.
And as to the quote, well yes, people do say things that I believe they shouldn't, but I do believe they should still be able to speak. I have the right to accept or reject what they are saying. Just as they do with what I say.
The important thing, I believe, is that no one should be silenced.
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
To believe nothing, is not to believe in anything.
i'm kinda glad they cut out the other 609 Commandments... imagine the size of the stone that guy in Alabama would have needed in order to put the 619 Commandments in that courthouse. I'm guessing that foyer would look like that Rene Magritte painting. http://www.artsender.com/gallery/details.asp?PaintingID=4990
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Besides... no one follows the Ten Commandments, anyway.
Hail, Hail!!!
well i might have if someone had told me there were more.....i like to see the big picture..........;)
You're right... people who are nice to other people shouldn't do it looking for a reward in their afterlife... they do it just because it is the nice thing to do. And that character trait has nothing to do with God. Just like Charity... you shouldn't do it for tax write off or to expect something in return... you should just give because someone else needs it more than you do.
I'm not looking for the a ticket to heaven... I'm looking for the truth. Something else I know I will never find. Still, it keeps be busy and I find all sorts of interesting things along the way.
As for the paths towards God... I just think that just because a person believes in a different faith... and wants to find God... no one religion has the answer. Christianity doesn't corner the market on God's love... and neither do any of the other religions. I believe God loves us, no matter which text we go by... or don't go by at all. I think all He wants is for us to be good to each other. That's all.
Hail, Hail!!!
where do these 619 commandments come from then? where are they listed? who wrote them down? did you imagine them out of thin air?