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  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    crittables wrote:
    it's just really annoying when someone says they'll pray for me or feel sorry for me b/c it implies that they think i'm wrong and in need of it. if you want to pray for me, then pray for me, but don't tell me about it.
    Wow, you must have an amazingly great life where someone mentioning they said a prayer for you counts a major inconvenience. Imagine the horror of having to put up with that? I fully empathize (but not sympathize) with this grievace life that is thrust upon you.
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • crittables
    crittables Posts: 342
    know1 wrote:
    Religion is forgiveness and love. The fact that your sins can be forgiven and you avoid hell demonstrates both.


    i agree that christianity is supposed to be about forgiveness and love. it just doesn't make sense to me when christians go around "sinning" all week then sunday roles around, they go to church and poof! they're good again. and they cycle starts over. like girls my age that preach the bible yet there screwing their boyfriends and drinking all weekend, then sunday there they are at church so it's okay.
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,800
    soulsinging wrote:
    im not telling you how you feel, im telling you how your pity is perceived and why atheists are mad abotu it.

    you get upset when they rip your religion apart dont you? they feel the same when you do it to their personal beliefs. now before you claim you don't do that, cut the bullshit. yes you do. your "pity" is just a passive-aggressive way of saying "poor little idiot doesn't even know the right way to pray to god!" it's dismissive and as abhorrent as the atheists ripping christians. in fact, it's worse becos at least the atheists have the honesty to admit to what they're doing.

    If they perceive genuine compassion that way, then it's their problem.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • crittables
    crittables Posts: 342
    surferdude wrote:
    Wow, you must have an amazingly great life where someone mentioning they said a prayer for you counts a major inconvenience. Imagine the horror of having to put up with that? I fully empathize (but not sympathize) with this grievace life that is thrust upon you.


    i don't have a problem with someone wanting to pray for me b/c i'm sick or hurt or something like that. when it irritates me is when it's someone praying for me b/c i'm not a christian. like i need to be saved. screw that. i'm good.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    onelongsong wrote:
    it is thier way of showing compassion. hinduism believes you are reincarnated until you find enlightenment; as do other religions. the concept of hell is limited to only a couple religions. if someone tells you that you are going to hell; they missed the whole point. religion is forgiveness and love.
    ...
    "I feel sorry for athiests because I believe they are ultimately -->going to hell<-- unless they change. I'm not sure why any of them would care that I was religious."
    ...
    Did this person miss the mark?
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    soulsinging wrote:
    im not telling you how you feel, im telling you how your pity is perceived and why atheists are mad abotu it.

    you get upset when they rip your religion apart dont you? they feel the same when you do it to their personal beliefs. now before you claim you don't do that, cut the bullshit. yes you do. your "pity" is just a passive-aggressive way of saying "poor little idiot doesn't even know the right way to pray to god!" it's dismissive and as abhorrent as the atheists ripping christians. in fact, it's worse becos at least the atheists have the honesty to admit to what they're doing.


    That's it exactly.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    know1 wrote:
    If they perceive genuine compassion that way, then it's their problem.

    then why is it also their problem that you're offended by them tearing up your religion? all they're doing is swinging back and suddenly you act like they threw the first punch.
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    know1 wrote:
    Religion is forgiveness and love. The fact that your sins can be forgiven and you avoid hell demonstrates both.

    very true. but it's how you must pay for those sins. in hinduism; you are born again. a very bad person could be reincarnated as a lower life form. forgiveness also means giving someone another chance.
  • crittables
    crittables Posts: 342
    soulsinging wrote:
    i
    you get upset when they rip your religion apart dont you? they feel the same when you do it to their personal beliefs. now before you claim you don't do that, cut the bullshit. yes you do. your "pity" is just a passive-aggressive way of saying "poor little idiot doesn't even know the right way to pray to god!" it's dismissive and as abhorrent as the atheists ripping christians. in fact, it's worse becos at least the atheists have the honesty to admit to what they're doing.


    thanks, you put this better than i could

    go bucks
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    surferdude wrote:
    Wow, you must have an amazingly great life where someone mentioning they said a prayer for you counts a major inconvenience. Imagine the horror of having to put up with that? I fully empathize (but not sympathize) with this grievace life that is thrust upon you.

    do you want to succeed at your job becos of your own merits? or are you perfectly ok with your daddy pulling strings and calling old friends to get you your promotions, rather than being judged on your merits? regardless of whether or not it's working, that kind of egocentric meddling (i know what's good for you better than you do and ill give it to you whether you want it or not) pisses people off. i can get through my life on my own. if i need god's help, i will ask him for it myself. it's none of your fucking business what i do.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    crittables wrote:
    thanks, you put this better than i could

    go bucks

    the football and basketball championships this year are definitive proof that there is no god ;)
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    know1 wrote:
    If they perceive genuine compassion that way, then it's their problem.

    True compassion involves caring about the person not just pointing out how their short comings in your eyes will send them to hell. If you had a friend who was going to marry a girl who you thought was all wrong for him, you would talk to them about how you felt and also be understanding of their feelings...you wouldn't say 'I feel sorry for you because you're going to end up in divorce court in a few years'.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    crittables wrote:
    i agree that christianity is supposed to be about forgiveness and love. it just doesn't make sense to me when christians go around "sinning" all week then sunday roles around, they go to church and poof! they're good again. and they cycle starts over. like girls my age that preach the bible yet there screwing their boyfriends and drinking all weekend, then sunday there they are at church so it's okay.


    there's a big difference between someone of religion and someone who winds thier God up on sunday. that is one of the biggest sins because it mocks God. the reason being that you know better. intent has a lot to do with it.
  • crittables
    crittables Posts: 342
    soulsinging wrote:
    the football and basketball championships this year are definitive proof that there is no god ;)


    nah i just think it proves he has a wicked sense of humor. or maybe there was something else going on that day, and he ignored a entire cities prayers for a win:)
  • bharQ
    bharQ Posts: 1,201
    onelongsong wrote:
    so modern people are responsable for what people did hundreds and thousands of years ago? please explain.

    if they are using religion for means of killing.....then yes they fucking are responsible.
    09/04/05 - Calgary, AB
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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,800
    soulsinging wrote:
    then why is it also their problem that you're offended by them tearing up your religion? all they're doing is swinging back and suddenly you act like they threw the first punch.


    Read the thread a little more closely and drop your prejudices. I'm not offended by them tearing up my religion. I'm saying they are hypocrites for getting offended when someone does the same thing to them that they do to others.
    I don't care one bit when they bash me or religion.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,800
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    True compassion involves caring about the person not just pointing out how their short comings in your eyes will send them to hell. If you had a friend who was going to marry a girl who you thought was all wrong for him, you would talk to them about how you felt and also be understanding of their feelings...you wouldn't say 'I feel sorry for you because you're going to end up in divorce court in a few years'.

    But when I talk to them, it suddenly becomes "you're trying to shove your beliefs down my throat"

    It's all the same thing. The friend who was getting married would get defensive as well.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,800
    crittables wrote:
    i agree that christianity is supposed to be about forgiveness and love. it just doesn't make sense to me when christians go around "sinning" all week then sunday roles around, they go to church and poof! they're good again. and they cycle starts over. like girls my age that preach the bible yet there screwing their boyfriends and drinking all weekend, then sunday there they are at church so it's okay.

    Right because this accurately describes all Christians 100%.

    The real root of the problem is that you people seem to be so close-minded, biased and prejudiced that you think all Christians are identical.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    know1 wrote:
    But when I talk to them, it suddenly becomes "you're trying to shove your beliefs down my throat".

    It wouldn't be if you didn't act like your view was the only acceptable, true way to see it.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    True compassion involves caring about the person not just pointing out how their short comings in your eyes will send them to hell. If you had a friend who was going to marry a girl who you thought was all wrong for him, you would talk to them about how you felt and also be understanding of their feelings...you wouldn't say 'I feel sorry for you because you're going to end up in divorce court in a few years'.


    religion supports the spread of athiesm and the coming of the antichrist. this will bring the end of times. they are praying for you because your views were predicted and you will bring the end of times. this is your mission. this is what religions look forward to.

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