Why Do Athiests

onelongsong

soulsinging wrote:

that just becos the bible has 619 commandments for living does not mean we should base our entire society upon it/them. there are 1000 different books offering 1000 different ways to run society. the bible has no stranglehold on morality. and it's quite possible to have morality without the bible.

the 619 commandments are not in the bible. they are mentioned a few times but they are not written out there. i've said many times that the bible was originated by corrupt men so i'm not sure why you'd mention it to me. you can have morality without the bible; i agree; but only if you follow the 619 commandments. knowingly or unknowingly.

Vedderlution_Baby

onelongsong wrote:

not in the slightest. it would be quite arrogant of me to think that everyone could find the same enlightenment i have. i'll say a prayer that your enlightenment comes quickly.

I was just playing both sides of the field. But taking my example into regard, you can see how some people would get offended and feel like they're being looked down upon, can't you?


I think a lot of people have problems with religion because of the people who have used it to push their personal agendas. I understand that religion can be a good thing for someone. I also understand that you can try to help people get involved with religion without being too forceful or preachy. But I think a lot of people look at it as a tool used by people to try and mold society by what they see fit. They've seen religion being used as a sword to spill blood. They've seen religion as a wall to keep people out. They've seen religion as a telescope that falls on those who it deems "unworthy" or "wrong". They've also see these same people who use religion in this way do corrupt and unjustifiable things that goes against the very thing they preach about. That's why religion catches a lot of flak and a lot of people hold nothing but anger towards it.

onelongsong

Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:

I was just playing both sides of the field. But taking my example into regard, you can see how some people would get offended and feel like they're being looked down upon, can't you?


I think a lot of people have problems with religion because of the people who have used it to push their personal agendas. I understand that religion can be a good thing for someone. I also understand that you can try to help people get involved with religion without being too forceful or preachy. But I think a lot of people look at it as a tool used by people to try and mold society by what they see fit. They've seen religion being used as a sword to spill blood. They've seen religion as a wall to keep people out. They've seen religion as a telescope that falls on those who it deems "unworthy" or "wrong". They've also see these same people who use religion in this way do corrupt and unjustifiable things that goes against the very thing they preach about. That's why religion catches a lot of flak and a lot of people hold nothing but anger towards it.

and i can point to several posts by athiests that fit into those parallels. i don't look down on athiests. God said they will come prior to the end of times. they are fulfilling prophicies and should be welcomed as they bring the end nearer.

Ahnimus

onelongsong wrote:

and i can point to several posts by athiests that fit into those parallels. i don't look down on athiests. God said they will come prior to the end of times. they are fulfilling prophicies and should be welcomed as they bring the end nearer.

How can you chastize people that use the Bible as God's word, when clearly that's what you are speaking of here?

Or has God divinely inspired you separate from the rest?

BTW, originally there were many atheists, and there has always been atheistic Buddhism and other religions. So that prophecy is utter bunk.

Dog Loyal

onelongsong wrote:

God said they will come prior to the end of times. they are fulfilling prophicies and should be welcomed as they bring the end nearer.

Oh, bullshit. Believe whatever makes you feel good, but leave us non-believers out your end-times fantasies. We're not part your game.

And it's spelled AthEist.

Vedderlution_Baby

onelongsong wrote:

and i can point to several posts by athiests that fit into those parallels. i don't look down on athiests. God said they will come prior to the end of times. they are fulfilling prophicies and should be welcomed as they bring the end nearer.

Go ahead and find the posts. It wont get me down any. I'm not them. I wont defend anyone and just because I may fall into a same category with them means nothing. You asked why. I told you why when it comes to some people.
Oh, and by the way, when you're told your going to hell and your wrong constantly, its going to make you a little bitter. Believe it or not, its not like a lot of us simply go against believing in god because its the "in" thing to do. We just dont have any feeling whatsoever that there is one.



By the way crediting atheists with bringing the end times is only going to boost our egos.

Ahnimus

Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:

By the way crediting atheists with bringing the end times is only going to boost our egos.

In the Gnostic gospels, I believe the Gospel of James, Jesus says it's already over. But, if we are all gonna have a ritual, I'll grab my pitch fork.

know1

soulsinging wrote:

no, it doesn't bother them if you're pro-religion. it bothers them that you're pro-religion and are so arrogant about it that you pity anyone who isn't. why can you not grasp that?

I see. You're assigning your own ...or at least an alternate connotation for "I feel sorry for them". I'm not doing it from a position of arrogance. I truly believe something very bad will happen to them and I'd like to be able to prevent it. I don't think I'm better than anyone else whatsoever. I just want to prevent people from suffering something that I believe will happen. I don't understand how that's arrogant.

Vedderlution_Baby

Ahnimus wrote:

In the Gnostic gospels, I believe the Gospel of James, Jesus says it's already over. But, if we are all gonna have a ritual, I'll grab my pitch fork.

Dude. it's 2007. just bring your jet pack and light saber.

Ahnimus

know1 wrote:

I see. You're assigning your own ...or at least an alternate connotation for "I feel sorry for them". I'm not doing it from a position of arrogance. I truly believe something very bad will happen to them and I'd like to be able to prevent it. I don't think I'm better than anyone else whatsoever. I just want to prevent people from suffering something that I believe will happen. I don't understand how that's arrogant.

I believe religious experiences are psychotic. You wouldn't believe how much resistance I get for that.

Ahnimus

Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:

Dude. it's 2007. just bring your jet pack and light saber.

But I want to party like it's 1999 B.C.E.

Dog Loyal

know1 wrote:

I truly believe something very bad will happen to them and I'd like to be able to prevent it. I don't think I'm better than anyone else whatsoever. I just want to prevent people from suffering something that I believe will happen. I don't understand how that's arrogant.

Know1, I truly believe that something very bad will happen to you if you continue to believe in Christ. I don't think I'm any better than you, I just want to prevent you from suffering the bad thing that will happen to you for believing the way you do!

I'm not arrogant. I am just absolutely certain that I know what's best for you, and furthermore, absolutely certain that you have no idea what is best for yourself and need me to correct you and set you on the right path as I have determined it.

No, that's not arrogant.

hippiemom

onelongsong wrote:

the 619 commandments are not in the bible. they are mentioned a few times but they are not written out there.

So where can we find a copy?

Jeanie

So folks, do we think that instead of focusing on our differences, we could perhaps find unity in other ways?

I mean we are all Pearl Jam fans right?
And I'm sure there are other things too. I'm quite sure love is another.

Perhaps we may share more commanalities than differences?

I guess regardless of what side of this "debate" you sit on, or whatever your views, the thing to remember here is respect. Respect for yourself and respect for the people around you.

And I'll add one of my favorite quotes here. Probably not quoted exactly but the gist is, "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to my death your right to say it."

Cosmo

hippiemom wrote:

So where can we find a copy?

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I don't know... isn't 619 spelled sideways, 666?

Cosmo

Jeanie wrote:

So folks, do we think that instead of focusing on our differences, we could perhaps find unity in other ways?

I mean we are all Pearl Jam fans right?
And I'm sure there are other things too. I'm quite sure love is another.

Perhaps we may share more commanalities than differences?

I guess regardless of what side of this "debate" you sit on, or whatever your views, the thing to remember here is respect. Respect for yourself and respect for the people around you.

And I'll add one of my favorite quotes here. Probably not quoted exactly but the gist is, "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to my death your right to say it."

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I think that's what most of us believe... that there are several, not just one path towards God. We believe that the Christians and the Catholics and the Jews and the Muslims and the Buddhists and the Scientologists and yes... even the Atheists can follow a path to God simply by being a good person in this life.
And of course... there are those whom disagree. But, at least for me... there is no anomosity. Who am I to say who's opinion or belief is right or wrong... no one assigned that task to me and I'm not knowing enough to know. The only truth I know concerning God and religion is that I don't know and will probably never know. I also know that no one else knows... regardless on how much they believe they do.
peace on Earth... Good will towards ALL men (and women).

Vedderlution_Baby

Jeanie wrote:

So folks, do we think that instead of focusing on our differences, we could perhaps find unity in other ways?

I mean we are all Pearl Jam fans right?
And I'm sure there are other things too. I'm quite sure love is another.

Perhaps we may share more commanalities than differences?

I guess regardless of what side of this "debate" you sit on, or whatever your views, the thing to remember here is respect. Respect for yourself and respect for the people around you.

And I'll add one of my favorite quotes here. Probably not quoted exactly but the gist is, "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to my death your right to say it."

Man, you're boring. (joking)


about your quote...good quote. Doesnt apply with everything though. Sometimes you just gotta shrug and be like "Damn man. You knew you shouldna said that. Now look. screaming cause you about to get ate by lions."

hippiemom

Cosmo wrote:

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I don't know... isn't 619 spelled sideways, 666?

I googled it ... all I got was links to a bunch of places in the 619 area code, talking about the ten commandments. These 619 commandments certainly are a well-kept secret.

norm

hippiemom wrote:

I googled it ... all I got was links to a bunch of places in the 619 area code, talking about the ten commandments. These 619 commandments certainly are a well-kept secret.

i put quotes around 619 commandments.........notice the first result....:)

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=as2&q=%22619+commandments%22&btnG=Search

Cosmo

hippiemom wrote:

I googled it ... all I got was links to a bunch of places in the 619 area code, talking about the ten commandments. These 619 commandments certainly are a well-kept secret.

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619 sounds familiar... I think it's San Diego. Really.