Kucinich 08!!!

chopitdown

I don't agree with everything he says, but I do like the fact he tells you what he's thinking and you know where he stands on certain issues. He doesn't seem to use typical rhetoric trying not to offend people. He says what he means and lets you choose to support him or not. I wish more people had this quality in politics.

MrBrian

chopitdown wrote:

I don't agree with everything he says, but I do like the fact he tells you what he's thinking and you know where he stands on certain issues. He doesn't seem to use typical rhetoric trying not to offend people. He says what he means and lets you choose to support him or not. I wish more people had this quality in politics.

sounds like Bush.

Abookamongstthemany

MrBrian wrote:

sounds like Bush.

Not. Bush was against nation building and many other stances that have completely changed now.

he still stands

Unfortunately I don't think any democrat stands a chance other than Hillary, Obama, or Edwards. All three of these candidates would have to made massive blunders for anyone else to have a shot. Fucking media.

Abookamongstthemany

he still stands wrote:

Unfortunately I don't think any democrat stands a chance other than Hillary, Obama, or Edwards. All three of these candidates would have to made massive blunders for anyone else to have a shot. Fucking media.

We just gotta try and really believe somethings gonna change sometime hopefully soon. And if it doesn't we'll go from there.


It has to start somewhere
It has to start sometime
What better place than here
What better time than now!!!!!!!

chopitdown

MrBrian wrote:

sounds like Bush.

yep.

Abookamongstthemany

chopitdown wrote:

yep.

He's always told people what they wanted to hear. like how the war was going to be a cake walk. Or how he changed his stance on stem ell research and abortion.

Dennis has always said what he believed even when it was unpopular.

chopitdown

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

He's always told people what they wanted to hear. like how the war was going to be a cake walk. Or how he changed his stance on stem ell research and abortion.

Dennis has always said what he believed even when it was unpopular.

Last I checked, "stay the course" hasn't been too popular .

I'm just saying that he does sound a bit like Bush in that you know what you are getting with both; not that their ideas are the same.

Abookamongstthemany

chopitdown wrote:

Last I checked, "stay the course" hasn't been too popular .

I'm just saying that he does sound a bit like Bush in that you know what you are getting with both; not that their ideas are the same.

Yeah, I would agree if it's been proven that your path is destructive and pointless, it might be time for a change.

chopitdown

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Yeah, I would agree if it's been proven that your path is destructive and pointless, it might be time for a change.

change would be good...gotta get the dem's out of control of congress...these last few months have been terrible

my2hands

this guy is not slipping off the first page. he seems to be the only true candidate to choose. he doesnt give the party spin, or the empty roundabout answers. he hits straight forward, for the people and this country. i have held out hope for Obama and his progressive roots. at least he did not support the war in 2002/2003. however i do not like his smooth shift to the center during this whirlwind ride towards the whitehouse.


and i absolutely loved Kucinich's interview with Bill Maher... any presidetial candidate that says "peace is inevitable" has my vote.

Abookamongstthemany

http://www.brightcove.com/title.jsp?title=823361757

http://blog.unbrain.net/archives/2007/04/california-democratic-convention-kucinich-supporters-et-al/

http://creativeyouth.net/kucinichphenomenon.html

http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474976973296

RolandTD20Kdrummer

he still stands wrote:

Unfortunately I don't think any democrat stands a chance other than Hillary, Obama, or Edwards. All three of these candidates would have to made massive blunders for anyone else to have a shot. Fucking media.

It won't be Obama...sure he'll get votes but he won't be president...no way. Black guy? I'd be really surprised. perhaps 10-15 years from now maybe.

Hillary? hmm tough one...woman president...hmm...I really don't think so either in reality. Were at least 10 years out on that as well I think.

Edwards?...who the hell is Edwards really... I doubt it.

Kucinich?...well he isn't looking to outrageous after all now considering.

It sure as hell won't be another republican...(if it is I'm volunteering for the Mars mission)

So through the sheer process of elimination I think Kucinich is actually looking pretty good.

.

my2hands

Bill Maher interviews Dennis Kucinich. This guy really is the mainstream candidate.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=01ef4PRZsk8

musicismylife78

I am a steadfast radical. I frankly to be honest, dislike liberals immensely. I voted for Nader in 2004 and if I was old enough I would have voted for him in 2000. Democrats these days dont stand for issues. They are NOT the opposition party, as they agree with Bush on so many issues. Kerry wasnt worth voting for. Merely not being Bush isnt enough for me to vote for a guy.

Kucinich is the real deal. He even makes a commie pinko like me, excited about the 2008 race. He isnt a politician. he stands for issues, he says what he means, he isnt pandering to a base. He isnt all about the money and power.

He really does believe in peace and nonviolence and so on. Thats whats so refreshing. In my mind, the Democrats like Obama and hilary and Biden are now only now beginning to be anti Bush and antiwar, this only because they realize this is an unpopular war now. They certainly werent antiwar when they voted to send troops in, they are cowards.

I still have major qualms about voting for Democrats, any democrat. Bush has done much damage, but lets face it, the democrats allowed him to be this way, every step of the way, too worried about being labeled antipatriotic and unamerican.

That said, Kucinich and Mike Gravel to me are the ONLY mainstream candidates worth voting for. I see it as, IF YOU MUST VOTE DEMOCRAT and refuse to vote for a third party, Kucinich and Gravel are the two choices who should get your consideration, and the only two.

I am so sick of politicians running for office that are politicians. Kucinich is the real deal. He is what the Democratic party should be, but isnt.

I say, Vote Third party in 2008, but if you cant vote third party, vote Kucinich and Gravel in 2008!

Gravel and Kucinich and a third party candidate are the ONLY viable choices for presidents who are ABSOLUTELY going to bring troops home and end the war.

Voting for any other democrat, you risk the chance they wont end the war and in the case of several, actually widen the war and send troops to iran.

my2hands

Cheguevara6 wrote:

I frankly to be honest,

i find this funny for some reason

In my mind, the Democrats like Obama and hilary and Biden are now only now beginning to be anti Bush and antiwar, this only because they realize this is an unpopular war now. They certainly werent antiwar when they voted to send troops in, they are cowards.

Obama was openly against the iraq invasion since jump street, he was a state represenative at the time.

Bush has done much damage, but lets face it, the democrats allowed him to be this way, every step of the way, too worried about being labeled antipatriotic and unamerican.

i agree mostly, however, we must remember that republicans at one point had the exective branch, both houses of congress, and the majority of state governors as a cherry on top. if you dont have the votes, you cant stop him. the republican party effectively had authoritarian rule over all the branches of the federal government during the hey day of the Bush Administration

I say, Vote Third party in 2008,

i only wish more people voted 3rd party

but if you cant vote third party, vote Kucinich and Gravel in 2008!

kucinich has my vote

Gravel and Kucinich and a third party candidate are the ONLY viable choices for presidents who are ABSOLUTELY going to bring troops home and end the war.

Voting for any other democrat, you risk the chance they wont end the war and in the case of several, actually widen the war and send troops to iran.

i agree, but i am still not so sure about obama, he may be more progressive then he is leading on.

musicismylife78

i agree, but i am still not so sure about obama, he may be more progressive then he is leading on.[/quote]


Indeed you may be 100 percent correct. Obama may be even more progressive than he is leading on. But thats part of the problem in my mind. Kucinich has ALWAYS been progressive, and hasnt been centrist or moderate in running for president in 2004 or now. He hasnt wavered. Obama and everyone else running for the democrat ticket has. I cant vote for someone who MAY be more progressive once elected. That was the argument for Kerry as well. The argument that, oh once he is in office, he is going to stop the war. He didnt run on that, and never said that, so I didnt vote for him. Thats my opinion on that.

What you are describing is exactly why I fee every other democrat save Kucnich and Gravel, are liars and currupt politicians.

There is serious questions and doubts about what will happen if we elect Biden, Clinton, Dodd, Obama etc... They all could send us into war with iran.

With Kucinich you get what you get. I dont think if he was president that he would widen the war and send more troops in, and I dont think he would legalize all guns, and I dont think he would tell the american public that violence is the answer. He has never waivered on that. He would do what he always said he would do: end the war and promote peace.

Obama does seem charismatic I will give you that. But I dont think he is the politician for us now.

my2hands

Cheguevara6 wrote:

Indeed you may be 100 percent correct. Obama may be even more progressive than he is leading on. But thats part of the problem in my mind. Kucinich has ALWAYS been progressive, and hasnt been centrist or moderate in running for president in 2004 or now. He hasnt wavered. Obama and everyone else running for the democrat ticket has. I cant vote for someone who MAY be more progressive once elected. That was the argument for Kerry as well. The argument that, oh once he is in office, he is going to stop the war. He didnt run on that, and never said that, so I didnt vote for him. Thats my opinion on that.

What you are describing is exactly why I fee every other democrat save Kucnich and Gravel, are liars and currupt politicians.

There is serious questions and doubts about what will happen if we elect Biden, Clinton, Dodd, Obama etc... They all could send us into war with iran.

With Kucinich you get what you get. I dont think if he was president that he would widen the war and send more troops in, and I dont think he would legalize all guns, and I dont think he would tell the american public that violence is the answer. He has never waivered on that. He would do what he always said he would do: end the war and promote peace.

Obama does seem charismatic I will give you that. But I dont think he is the politician for us now.

I agree with everything you just said.

Abookamongstthemany

Cheguevara6 wrote:

i agree, but i am still not so sure about obama, he may be more progressive then he is leading on.

Indeed you may be 100 percent correct. Obama may be even more progressive than he is leading on. But thats part of the problem in my mind. Kucinich has ALWAYS been progressive, and hasnt been centrist or moderate in running for president in 2004 or now. He hasnt wavered. Obama and everyone else running for the democrat ticket has. I cant vote for someone who MAY be more progressive once elected. That was the argument for Kerry as well. The argument that, oh once he is in office, he is going to stop the war. He didnt run on that, and never said that, so I didnt vote for him. Thats my opinion on that.

What you are describing is exactly why I fee every other democrat save Kucnich and Gravel, are liars and currupt politicians.

There is serious questions and doubts about what will happen if we elect Biden, Clinton, Dodd, Obama etc... They all could send us into war with iran.

With Kucinich you get what you get. I dont think if he was president that he would widen the war and send more troops in, and I dont think he would legalize all guns, and I dont think he would tell the american public that violence is the answer. He has never waivered on that. He would do what he always said he would do: end the war and promote peace.

Obama does seem charismatic I will give you that. But I dont think he is the politician for us now.[/quote]


Exactly!!

Hoon

THE KUCINICH PHENOMENON SWEEPS THE CA Dem Convention

CA Dem Convention Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16kVxnNHaDw






from: http://creativeyouth.net/kucinichphenomenon.html

THE KUCINICH PHENOMENON SWEEPS THE CALIFORNIA DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION PARTY LEADERS AND OTHER CANDIDATES WONDER WHAT HAPPENED
By davidswanson


Special Convention Report by the Creative Youth News Team [1]

California Democrats had a chance to see the Democratic Presidential candidates first hand. Members of the Creative Youth Team were present to watch and report. The reaction of the delegates was clear and decisive. All delegates interviewed stated that Dennis Kucinich gave the best presentation and received the best audience reaction. They seemed pretty unified in this impression, regardless of which candidate they were supporting for President. Delegates stated, of the candidates who spoke, he was the most powerful, the most passionate, the most energetic and the most ready to take action. With the exception of Joe Biden, all the 2008 Democratic candidates spoke at their convention. Supporters of most candidates had been unprepared for the tremendous charisma and appeal of Congressman Dennis Kucinich. His positions from choice to Iran resonated with the Democratic crowd.

Former Senator Mike Gravel spoke at the Chairman's reception on Friday. The sound system on the patio could have been better. The crowd liked him as a person but did not seem inclined to back his candidacy for President.

On the patio many spoke about the debate the night before where only Kucinich had come out in support of impeachment. What the Democratic leadership was soon to find out was that the majority of Democrats strongly support impeachment and won't settle for less.

Saturday morning, Hillary Clinton gave a very lengthy speech that had delegates walking out and looking at their watches. She walked into the audience, looking professional and friendly at one point. Delegates were impresssed with her willingness to do this. The average reaction to her speech was that it was boring.

When Obama spoke, the audience looked very restless and uncomfortable. There were a few shouts of "tell the truth" and "stop funding the war." The reaction he got was lukewarm at best. Applauses he received seemed to be out of politeness rather than enthusiasm. His supporters later admitted they were disappointed in his presentation .......


............continued at http://creativeyouth.net/kucinichphenomenon.html

Copyright © 2007 by the Creative Youth News Team. All rights reserved.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16kVxnNHaDw