Angelica, that was simply beautiful! Dennis brings tears to my eyes, as well. He awakens the hope inside me like no other politician has ever came close to and his optimism is contagious. He has a love for people...humanity, not just Americans and people who think like he does but for everyone living on this Earth. When I hear him speak it just lifts my spirits up and rings so true. He says what he believes and won't change that to say what might 'get him elected'. You're right, it's no wonder we're in the shape we are, if we choose our representation by picking the one with the best strategy and the most well crafted public persona. We are encouraging phonyness and treating our government, our society, our lives like some kinda game to win by the highest bidder with the best PR.
I'm so glad to you were able to see what I see in him. That connnection is important to me, it keeps me going and having faith that all is, indeed, possible. And the connection is especially important when it comes from someone I hold in such high regards and whose opinion I always look to for clarity and wisdom. Peace and Love, Angelica.
Thank you so much, Abook! As always, you are ever so kind. I love the magic of these connections, especially when they create synapses which point to the potential for us to move towards.
I've noticed for years that George Bush is a glaring symptom of the underlying problem of the inauthenticity of a people as a whole--a people who were not yet ready to get real, and to take responsibility for what they generate and sustain, and how that is represented globally. And now, I'm having to see things in a whole new light. If the people can also generate and sustain a Dennis Kucinich, there is more awareness going on than I thought there would be for a long time coming. I'm very impressed that someone like Dennis Kucinich is this close in the running.
Are the people ready for the truth? I don't know. Are the people willing to vote for what they believe deep inside? I don't know. Are the people willing to turn things around and make potent choices for the worldwide resolutions they know are necessary for balance, or will they cling to the only patterns they know, being fear? I don't know. Will the people continue to blot out depth, value and substance for illusion and image? I don't know. Time will tell.
What I DO know is that in seeing this kind of amazing potential and awareness glimmering on the horizon I am filled with great hope!
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Not only what he says, but how he says it. To me he has the most conviction, emotion, and belief in what he is saying. The rest just seem to be reading cue cards or reciting script from memory in comparison.
Could be some interesting times ahead!
I couldn't agree more. You've got some awesome perception, Roland. I see the "cue cards vs. conviction" thing as being the difference between living from ego, and living from authenticity. These are some very interesting times! It'll be interesting to watch play out, that's for sure!
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Wow! This is some thread, Abook! I am very grateful to you, for your passion and for your commitment to sharing what you know about Dennis Kucinich. I've recently become more and more familiar with the man and I wanted to make some comments.
It's amazing to me to see that your country has generated enough awareness/understanding to actually give rise to a man like Dennis Kucinich. That, to me, is a beautiful thing, and one that speaks to the evolution of the human spirit. That he can be anywhere near to the presidency completely catches me off guard, to be honest. Whatever his course may be, it's wonderful that his example of purpose and leadership is being heard far and wide and will resonate in the hearts of the masses, who are glimpsing the evolution of humanity in his vision. This man is the real deal.
I agree with you Abook. I feel that the way for anyone to be authentic and to be connected with our individual truth is to vote for the person we feel represents us most closely, in any relevent election. By moving into theory, tricks and strategy, and detaching from the politician who represents us most authentically, we remove ourselves from representing our own voice. It's not a wonder that by doing so, we make disconnected choices that produce disconnected outcomes. When our thinking uses us as it's vehicle to making choices, rather than US using our thinking as a tool of our representation, we then perpetuate the patterns of inner/outer disconnection. Optimally, when we choose authenticity over fear, then we are truly athentically empowered and potent, and we hold our integrity intact. We can never go astray being authentic to ourselves.
I agree that the way to stop the blood on the hands of the American people in terms of Iraq is to stop the occupation. Americans are responsible for who they kill. I think it's backwards thinking to use logic to convince ourselves that it's the other way around--that to leave and to implement peaceful intervention the American people would be responsible for the blood on the hands of others whom the American people have NO authentic control over. It just doesn't work that way.
I heard somewhere recently that people with big egos want to follow those with even bigger egos. So I'm not surprised when people cite Dennis Kucinich's stature, or lack of "charisma" or any other smoke/mirrors aspect of his "image" while overlooking his authenticity and his understanding of global inter-connection, inter-dependency, resolution and of peace. Dennis Kucinich is speaking about the truth, and there is a very different quality to honesty and integrity than to carefully culled images. Dennis Kuchinich is representing the calm and the stillness and depths of the ocean, compared to the fickle surface waves and ripples more often represented in politics. He is not dependent on the false, illusory images the ego loves so. The truth shines brightly through him for all who have eyes to see. Frankly, it brings tears to my eyes when I see it, and I see it in this man.
Peace, Abook. Thanks for sharing. And thank-you to all who have shared clips and articles and even opinions about Dennis Kucinich. Peace.
exactly, angelica! i don't understand how so many can complain about 'politics as usual' and then here's a chance to stand up to that and instead....they just give in all over again and back a candidate that is pretty much 'politics as usual'
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
exactly, angelica! i don't understand how so many can complain about 'politics as usual' and then here's a chance to stand up to that and instead....they just give in all over again and back a candidate that is pretty much 'politics as usual'
Kucinich ran in 04'. but you voted for kerry, so I think the answer is within yourself.
Maybe they feel the way you did back then, lesser of two evils is the only way out.
and you know i luv yeah bong, but the way people ran to kerry in 04'....was a bad thing. Kerry spoke of no good, bomb iran, support israel, patriot act. Then all these open minded folks ran to him. we hate you but we hate the other guy more they sang. Nader when the election is over we'll support you again but this is not the time for you to run is what they said.
I myself don't understand. or maybe this election is not as important as the last one? so it's fine to support a "lower level" candidate?
So if Dennis does'nt get the nomination, who do you vote for? one of the 'politics as usual' guys?
Kucinich ran in 04'. but you voted for kerry, so I think the answer is within yourself.
Maybe they feel the way you did back then, lesser of two evils is the only way out.
and you know i luv yeah bong, but the way people ran to kerry in 04'....was a bad thing. Kerry spoke of no good, bomb iran, support israel, patriot act. Then all these open minded folks ran to him. we hate you but we hate the other guy more they sang. Nader when the election is over we'll support you again but this is not the time for you to run is what they said.
I myself don't understand. or maybe this election is not as important as the last one? so it's fine to support a "lower level" candidate?
So if Dennis does'nt get the nomination, who do you vote for? one of the 'politics as usual' guys?
I also voted for Kerry and it's move I consider to now be a mistake. At the time it felt right but now I see it was compromising my principles and if I ever hope to see real change in this country, I can't be afraid to go for it and stand up for I believe to be true and just. If I can't do that then those principles aren't worth having.
If Dennis doesnt get the nod, I'll probably go 3rd party.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Kucinich ran in 04'. but you voted for kerry, so I think the answer is within yourself.
Maybe they feel the way you did back then, lesser of two evils is the only way out.
and you know i luv yeah bong, but the way people ran to kerry in 04'....was a bad thing. Kerry spoke of no good, bomb iran, support israel, patriot act. Then all these open minded folks ran to him. we hate you but we hate the other guy more they sang. Nader when the election is over we'll support you again but this is not the time for you to run is what they said.
I myself don't understand. or maybe this election is not as important as the last one? so it's fine to support a "lower level" candidate?
So if Dennis does'nt get the nomination, who do you vote for? one of the 'politics as usual' guys?
yes, and i was pretty much the first one to say it was a mistake to vote for kerry and compromise my beliefs and values
and yes, i felt it was more important of an election to get cheney and his and the neo-con influence out of the white house.
if dennis doesn't get the nomination i guess i will write his name in or vote third party
also, there is a big difference between voting for someone when the party has nominated them and giving your support to get that nomination.
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
exactly, angelica! i don't understand how so many can complain about 'politics as usual' and then here's a chance to stand up to that and instead....they just give in all over again and back a candidate that is pretty much 'politics as usual'
People are very slow to change, if they even do. Many people cycle through the same patterns over and over.
Also, people are comfortable with "the evil that they know", which in this case is the politics as usual. So comfortable that they'd rather experience that evil for another 4 years, rather than to imagine or create something that they don't know or something new and healthier and outside the same old repeating cycles.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Eddie and many others supported Nader instead of Gore in 2000...
We all know how that worked out.
How is that? That they voted true to who they were, even though their view is a minority? Isn't that the spirit of voting? That your vote represents who you are, not who you wish to be?
Oh, yes, there's always the option of voting inauthentically, in an effort to gain inauthentic power. Voting disconnected from the inner voice, in hopes to sway votes. We see how that's working out.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
How is that? That they voted true to who they were, even though their view is a minority? Isn't that the spirit of voting? That your vote represents who you are, not who you wish to be?
Oh, yes, there's always the option of voting inauthentically, in an effort to gain inauthentic power. Voting disconnected from the inner voice, in hopes to sway votes. We see how that's working out.
yeah, the last election was the first time i didn't vote 3rd party in a presidential election and i feel bad for it...never again!
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
yeah, the last election was the first time i didn't vote 3rd party in a presidential election and i feel bad for it...never again!
I didn't vote authentically in our last election here. And I've learned from that, too. Deep inside, I know it was fear that caused me to be inauthentic. And I know well enough that fear choices bring a lot of fear consequences. And lo and behold... If I'm fearful of my own truth, or the truth that exists, then I just have to live with that. And the only thing worse than having a crappy reality is to live in fear and to hide from it--the decisions from such a perspective don't get better and come from more integrity. It's the opposite--the decisions that come from fear become more cowardly and create a lack of integrity and it's offshoots (which include supporting others blindly who possess a lack of integrity).
I consider that I've learned my lesson. And I've been influenced by this thread, too, because talking about this and hearing about yourself and Abook, it's reinforcing what I've learned.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I know I would. Kerry would been another mistake. We need something new, not more of the same.
"Voting 3rd party this year is like trying to revovate your house while the basement is on fire" ~~ EV i love that quote
i agree with both of you by the way, i just wonder if some peoples distraught feelings about voting for kerry would be as strong if he had won and the election wasnt stolen. hindsight is 20/20
a friend of mine voted nader in 04', alot of people gave him shit, but i supported him on the basis that if you dont vote for bush, he cant win. a vote for mickey mouse was a good vote as far as i am concerned.
are you a registered democrat? i am so i can participate in the primary. other than that i have no political party affiliation, but i sure as hell would never vote republican. i guess that has been beat into my head from my grandfather down
"Voting 3rd party this year is like trying to revovate your house while the basement is on fire" ~~ EV i love that quote
i agree with both of you by the way, i just wonder if some peoples distraught feelings about voting for kerry would be as strong if he had won and the election wasnt stolen. hindsight is 20/20
a friend of mine voted nader in 04', alot of people gave him shit, but i supported him on the basis that if you dont vote for bush, he cant win. a vote for mickey mouse was a good vote as far as i am concerned.
are you a registered democrat? i am so i can participate in the primary. other than that i have no political party affiliation, but i sure as hell would never vote republican. i guess that has been beat into my head from my grandfather down
I'm currently registered independent.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
can you participate in the primary and vote for a dem? i dont think you can in my state? you have to be registered with a party to vote for that parties primary?
can you participate in the primary and vote for a dem? i dont think you can in my state? you have to be registered with a party to vote for that parties primary?
It's not required here, last I checked.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
would you feel that way if the election had not been stolen and kerry won?
...realalisticaly...probably...i know i'd be happy that this administration would be out and possibly the war over but wtf did i really think??? that the election would come down to a vote or 2 in SC??? i was a fool, i gave in to the fear about the direction we have been cast down and paniced...it'd stil lbe betraying my principles
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Comments
I've noticed for years that George Bush is a glaring symptom of the underlying problem of the inauthenticity of a people as a whole--a people who were not yet ready to get real, and to take responsibility for what they generate and sustain, and how that is represented globally. And now, I'm having to see things in a whole new light. If the people can also generate and sustain a Dennis Kucinich, there is more awareness going on than I thought there would be for a long time coming. I'm very impressed that someone like Dennis Kucinich is this close in the running.
Are the people ready for the truth? I don't know. Are the people willing to vote for what they believe deep inside? I don't know. Are the people willing to turn things around and make potent choices for the worldwide resolutions they know are necessary for balance, or will they cling to the only patterns they know, being fear? I don't know. Will the people continue to blot out depth, value and substance for illusion and image? I don't know. Time will tell.
What I DO know is that in seeing this kind of amazing potential and awareness glimmering on the horizon I am filled with great hope!
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls7beTVd8ow
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7CqN6uNp4k
less than 2 min
on congress funding the war, again
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz04TCcOFCQ
2:23
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
exactly, angelica! i don't understand how so many can complain about 'politics as usual' and then here's a chance to stand up to that and instead....they just give in all over again and back a candidate that is pretty much 'politics as usual'
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Kucinich ran in 04'. but you voted for kerry, so I think the answer is within yourself.
Maybe they feel the way you did back then, lesser of two evils is the only way out.
and you know i luv yeah bong, but the way people ran to kerry in 04'....was a bad thing. Kerry spoke of no good, bomb iran, support israel, patriot act. Then all these open minded folks ran to him. we hate you but we hate the other guy more they sang. Nader when the election is over we'll support you again but this is not the time for you to run is what they said.
I myself don't understand. or maybe this election is not as important as the last one? so it's fine to support a "lower level" candidate?
So if Dennis does'nt get the nomination, who do you vote for? one of the 'politics as usual' guys?
I also voted for Kerry and it's move I consider to now be a mistake. At the time it felt right but now I see it was compromising my principles and if I ever hope to see real change in this country, I can't be afraid to go for it and stand up for I believe to be true and just. If I can't do that then those principles aren't worth having.
If Dennis doesnt get the nod, I'll probably go 3rd party.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
yes, and i was pretty much the first one to say it was a mistake to vote for kerry and compromise my beliefs and values
and yes, i felt it was more important of an election to get cheney and his and the neo-con influence out of the white house.
if dennis doesn't get the nomination i guess i will write his name in or vote third party
also, there is a big difference between voting for someone when the party has nominated them and giving your support to get that nomination.
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Also, people are comfortable with "the evil that they know", which in this case is the politics as usual. So comfortable that they'd rather experience that evil for another 4 years, rather than to imagine or create something that they don't know or something new and healthier and outside the same old repeating cycles.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
I will vote for him, if no one votes for me:D
We all know how that worked out.
Oh, yes, there's always the option of voting inauthentically, in an effort to gain inauthentic power. Voting disconnected from the inner voice, in hopes to sway votes. We see how that's working out.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
yeah, the last election was the first time i didn't vote 3rd party in a presidential election and i feel bad for it...never again!
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
my first election was 1988.....i voted for bush.....i apologize......like hell if i ever vote for a democrat or republican again.....
I consider that I've learned my lesson. And I've been influenced by this thread, too, because talking about this and hearing about yourself and Abook, it's reinforcing what I've learned.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Not about to start now:D
would you feel that way if the election had not been stolen and kerry won?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h5RdAkAExU
We Count! Dennis Kucinich Announces HR6200 - A Bill To Require Paper Ballots Hand Counted for President:
http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=1081546531
This is the Moment:
http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?ei=UTF-8&b=1&vid=120806&gid=136718
http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?ei=UTF-8&b=2&vid=120807&gid=136718
http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?ei=UTF-8&b=3&vid=120808&gid=136718
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I know I would. Kerry would been another mistake. We need something new, not more of the same.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
"Voting 3rd party this year is like trying to revovate your house while the basement is on fire" ~~ EV
i agree with both of you by the way, i just wonder if some peoples distraught feelings about voting for kerry would be as strong if he had won and the election wasnt stolen. hindsight is 20/20
a friend of mine voted nader in 04', alot of people gave him shit, but i supported him on the basis that if you dont vote for bush, he cant win. a vote for mickey mouse was a good vote as far as i am concerned.
are you a registered democrat? i am so i can participate in the primary. other than that i have no political party affiliation, but i sure as hell would never vote republican. i guess that has been beat into my head from my grandfather down
great stuff
I'm currently registered independent.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
can you participate in the primary and vote for a dem? i dont think you can in my state? you have to be registered with a party to vote for that parties primary?
It's not required here, last I checked.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
...realalisticaly...probably...i know i'd be happy that this administration would be out and possibly the war over but wtf did i really think??? that the election would come down to a vote or 2 in SC??? i was a fool, i gave in to the fear about the direction we have been cast down and paniced...it'd stil lbe betraying my principles
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
-Enoch Powell
Actually, who are you voting for? That's who I'll be voting for.
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Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
-Enoch Powell