Kucinich 08!!!

Abuskedti

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Indeed you may be 100 percent correct. Obama may be even more progressive than he is leading on. But thats part of the problem in my mind. Kucinich has ALWAYS been progressive, and hasnt been centrist or moderate in running for president in 2004 or now. He hasnt wavered. Obama and everyone else running for the democrat ticket has. I cant vote for someone who MAY be more progressive once elected. That was the argument for Kerry as well. The argument that, oh once he is in office, he is going to stop the war. He didnt run on that, and never said that, so I didnt vote for him. Thats my opinion on that.

What you are describing is exactly why I fee every other democrat save Kucnich and Gravel, are liars and currupt politicians.

There is serious questions and doubts about what will happen if we elect Biden, Clinton, Dodd, Obama etc... They all could send us into war with iran.

With Kucinich you get what you get. I dont think if he was president that he would widen the war and send more troops in, and I dont think he would legalize all guns, and I dont think he would tell the american public that violence is the answer. He has never waivered on that. He would do what he always said he would do: end the war and promote peace.

Obama does seem charismatic I will give you that. But I dont think he is the politician for us now.

Exactly!![/quote]

Can he win the presidency on the strength of committment to stopping war? That does not seem to be a priority on the mind of a big enough group of voters.. and there is really no way to change that.

RainDog

Cheguevara6 wrote:

Indeed you may be 100 percent correct. Obama may be even more progressive than he is leading on. But thats part of the problem in my mind.

More progressive than he's leading on? Obama has been for ending this war before it even started. He's repeatedly claimed that as president, he will end it. As a Senator he proposed a withdrawal bill months in advance of the more recent one that's gotten so much publicity lately. My worry is that, in regards to the war, he's less progressive than he's leading on. Evidence points against it, but it's still a worry.

Abookamongstthemany

Presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich is keynote speaker at West L.A. Democratic Club


BY HELGA GENDELL



One little-known provision requested by President George W. Bush in the recently vetoed Iraq funding bill is that Iraq privatize its oil or the U.S. will pull out the troops and not send in any peace keepers, said Dennis Kucinich, an Ohio U.S. Congressman and presidential candidate.

Kucinich was the keynote speaker at an event on Saturday, May 5th, held by the West L.A. Democratic Club at the Venice Center for Peace with Justice and the Arts in Venice.

Kucinich said that six weeks ago he told Democratic colleagues about this provision, asking if they had read the bill because many were shocked to learn about it, and admitted they had not read much of the bill, which prompted Kucinich to remark, 'Just like the Patriot Act.'

Just before the president's veto of the Iraq funding bill, Kucinich said he attempted for the third time to remove the 'privatization of oil' bill portion and that some Democrats 'screamed at him that he was 'not a loyal party member'.'


'Democrats took the House of Representatives on war issues in the election, but this is 'bait and switch' because people wanted change, not the Democratic version of the war instead of the Republican war,' Kucinich said.

The congressman told the audience of over 200 people, 'You're the ones who decide who the next president will be. Come together, take steps to change the country, talk about the America we want to see, where the president and the vice president support the Constitution of the United States with honor and America rejects war as an instrumental policy.'

America understands when any country's leader says, 'All options are on the table,' (as the U.S. did with Iran) it means the possibility of war, said Kucinich.

Kucinich said he wants to be a healing president, end the occupation of Iraq, and restate America's position in the world.

Congress has the power of the purse and can pass legislation simply telling the president they won't pass any money to fund the war. Democrats should have told the president, 'No more money for Iraq,' Kucinich said.

It isn't a matter of more legislation, said Kucinich, 'Because when you say you're going to decertify the war and then a guy passes funding to authorize the war, you're authorizing the war all over again. Who's getting fooled?' he asked.

On nuclear weapons, he said that it's not for the U.S. to pick who should or shouldn't have nuclear power, asking, 'Do we want the threat of extinction for our children and grandchildren?'

Kucinich advocates getting rid of all nuclear weapons, referring to the non-proliferation treaty that provides for all nuclear weapons to be abolished.

On abortion, Kucinich said that the ruling on partial-birth abortion by the Supreme Court 'was very destructive, and that Roe v. Wade has to be protected to protect women's rights to privacy and the right to decide, working with their doctor.'

America needs a culture that affirms life and heals, providing for pre-natal and post-natal care, a living wage, economic opportunities and giving people the right to make choices, he said.

Regarding immigration, Kucinich said, 'It's a great shame that slave labor is allowed to exist and that system needs to be stopped.'

'No fines should be paid (by immigrants), no one should be made to go back, and we should stop scapegoating immigrants,' said Kucinich.

The U.S. has the right to regulate traffic (of individuals coming into the country), but it must look at the causes, enforce labor laws, OSHA (U.S. Department of Labor Occupational Safety and Health Administration) laws and workers' rights, Kucinich said.

Regarding NAFTA (the North American Free Trade Agreement), Mexican wages went down, not up as promised, said Kucinich, and he claims NAFTA should be abolished and new relations should be worked out with the Mexican government and conditions improved there.

The congressman supports an end to oil reliance and says that the U.S. has a responsibility to the world to sign the Kyoto Treaty ' which commits industrialized nations to reduce greenhouse gases, principally carbon dioxide, by around five percent below their 1990 levels over the next decade ' and introduce energy conservation, invest in a new technology and reverse global warming climate change.

The education system is becoming dangerous, creating a two-class society, and education has become a privilege rather than a right, said Kucinich.

On the subject of student loans and tuition, the question is always, 'Where will we get the money?' said Kucinich.

No one asked, 'Where will we get the money when we went to war in Iraq and borrowed money from China to fight,' Kucinich said.

Education is the basic right of every young person, he said, telling the audience that he was the first in his family to go to college and worked two jobs, 80 hours a week, to do so.

In understanding the suffering of the Palestinians and recognizing Israel's fears, assuring the survival of both, we can create a new world, said Kucinich. The only way to be a healing hand is to be even-handed, he said.

Audience members asked if Kucinich would still reintroduce the paper ballot for voting, to which Kucinich said yes, adding that election integrity is a big issue in correctly counting votes.

'We will bring the Diebold (electronic voting machine manufacturer) people before Congress before the end of the year,' Kucinich said.

On oil companies, he said that the challenge is price gouging, noting the 'winter/summer gas switch' in California, and that the U.S. must move to alternative fuels.

Another audience member asked if the candidate is still supporting a 'Department of Peace' to look at society's issues ' domestic violence with spousal and child abuse, school violence, gangs, guns, racial violence, anti-gay violence and police clashes with citizens ' and Kucinich said he had proposed a bill and that 62 members of Congress already support the idea.

Supporting campaign financing laws, and calling for public financing and an end to private campaign financing, Kucinich said, 'Washington is like an auction and the presidency should not be sold to the highest bidder.'

On the subject of his Democratic opponents running for president, Kucinich said he was the only candidate at the Democratic National Convention in San Diego who held up his hand when the question was asked if they supported impeaching Vice President Cheney.

He said his concern is that none of the other candidates have spoken about the alleged abuse of office and lying by the administration, and he would ask them what their standards are and if it is okay to lie, attack other nations or create a pretext to attack.

All of the other candidates must be held accountable, he said. Kucinich asked why the other candidates didn't speak up and defend our Constitution.

Kucinich was elected to Cleveland, Ohio's City Council at age 23, and he was elected mayor of Cleveland at the age of 31.

He was elected to Congress in 1996 and has advocated for workers' rights, civil rights and human rights.

Kucinich was introduced by Los Angeles City Councilman Bill Rosendahl ' who represents the 11th District, which includes the Venice area ' and who endorsed Kucinich for president at the meeting.

Rosendahl also announced that he will run for reelection when his term as councilman is finished, and that he plans to put the living wage issue on the February 2008 ballot.

The councilman said he has 'been wooed' by Democratic candidates Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and John Edwards, and he reflected on what he should do and on what matters.

Rosendahl said he began in politics and knew Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr. and Robert Kennedy. The councilman worked for Kennedy's campaign and was present at the Ambassador Hotel the night Kennedy was shot.

When Rosendahl left politics, he went to cable TV and started a public affairs show bringing 'everybody and anybody' on, and hosting over 300 election specials.

'Broadcasters have a license to rip us all off,' said Rosendahl, who urged taking media back for the people.

Rosendahl referred to President Bush as, 'The guy in the White House who should be impeached for invading Iraq,' and as, 'That crackpot who is our president.'

There were no WMDs (weapons of mass destruction), they knew there were no WMDs, and there is a moral and political wrongness, said Rosendahl.

Rosendahl touched on a variety of topics, such as the lack of health insurance as well as the high costs.

'Get rid of the damn insurance companies,' he said.

Regarding gay rights, Rosendahl praised Kucinich for supporting gay rights and said, 'I'm gay, and I was made this way. God makes no mistakes,' Rosendahl said. 'Shouldn't we be treated like everyone else?'

Rosendahl said that Kucinich believes that gays should have the same rights, but his message is not given because the media merely mentions Kucinich as 'also being there' at candidate events.

In reference to the war on drugs in America, Rosendahl stated that the 'war on drugs is a war on people and that bad laws need repeal.'

On the subject of people using drugs, the councilman said drug dependence should be treated as a health issue.

For information on Kucinich,

http://kucinich.us/.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Sweet Books... shaping up nicely.

as per kucinich.us :

"Kucinich gathered 26 percent of the votes to best the seven other Democratic presidential candidates, according to Matt Christensen, chair of the Coos County Democratic Central Committee.

Christensen said Kucinich lead a tight top-tier race between himself, and Sens. Barack Obama and John Edwards, who scored 24 and 23 percent respectively."

Abookamongstthemany

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Sweet Books... shaping up nicely.

as per kucinich.us :

"Kucinich gathered 26 percent of the votes to best the seven other Democratic presidential candidates, according to Matt Christensen, chair of the Coos County Democratic Central Committee.

Christensen said Kucinich lead a tight top-tier race between himself, and Sens. Barack Obama and John Edwards, who scored 24 and 23 percent respectively."

He does so well when people actually hear him speak! Those that rely on the media to sum it up are really missing out on someone who has the people first and foremost in his heart and are told he has no chance. How can you know how much of a chance someone has until they have fully campaigned and let the people decide who they liked best? Before making a decsion on what chance you think he's got, why not listen to what he has to say?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

He does so well when people actually hear him speak! Those that rely on the media to sum it up are really missing out on someone who has the people first and foremost in his heart and are told he has no chance. How can you know how much of a chance someone has until they have fully campaigned and let the people decide who they liked best? Before making a decsion on what chance you think he's got, why not listen to what he has to say?

Not only what he says, but how he says it. To me he has the most conviction, emotion, and belief in what he is saying. The rest just seem to be reading cue cards or reciting script from memory in comparison.

Could be some interesting times ahead!

Abookamongstthemany

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2XLM6EQZEM



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0lXTiOI44E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rj5qsxugIBM

angelica

Wow! This is some thread, Abook! I am very grateful to you, for your passion and for your commitment to sharing what you know about Dennis Kucinich. I've recently become more and more familiar with the man and I wanted to make some comments.

It's amazing to me to see that your country has generated enough awareness/understanding to actually give rise to a man like Dennis Kucinich. That, to me, is a beautiful thing, and one that speaks to the evolution of the human spirit. That he can be anywhere near to the presidency completely catches me off guard, to be honest. Whatever his course may be, it's wonderful that his example of purpose and leadership is being heard far and wide and will resonate in the hearts of the masses, who are glimpsing the evolution of humanity in his vision. This man is the real deal.

I agree with you Abook. I feel that the way for anyone to be authentic and to be connected with our individual truth is to vote for the person we feel represents us most closely, in any relevent election. By moving into theory, tricks and strategy, and detaching from the politician who represents us most authentically, we remove ourselves from representing our own voice. It's not a wonder that by doing so, we make disconnected choices that produce disconnected outcomes. When our thinking uses us as it's vehicle to making choices, rather than US using our thinking as a tool of our representation, we then perpetuate the patterns of inner/outer disconnection. Optimally, when we choose authenticity over fear, then we are truly athentically empowered and potent, and we hold our integrity intact. We can never go astray being authentic to ourselves.

I agree that the way to stop the blood on the hands of the American people in terms of Iraq is to stop the occupation. Americans are responsible for who they kill. I think it's backwards thinking to use logic to convince ourselves that it's the other way around--that to leave and to implement peaceful intervention the American people would be responsible for the blood on the hands of others whom the American people have NO authentic control over. It just doesn't work that way.

I heard somewhere recently that people with big egos want to follow those with even bigger egos. So I'm not surprised when people cite Dennis Kucinich's stature, or lack of "charisma" or any other smoke/mirrors aspect of his "image" while overlooking his authenticity and his understanding of global inter-connection, inter-dependency, resolution and of peace. Dennis Kucinich is speaking about the truth, and there is a very different quality to honesty and integrity than to carefully culled images. Dennis Kuchinich is representing the calm and the stillness and depths of the ocean, compared to the fickle surface waves and ripples more often represented in politics. He is not dependent on the false, illusory images the ego loves so. The truth shines brightly through him for all who have eyes to see. Frankly, it brings tears to my eyes when I see it, and I see it in this man.

Peace, Abook. Thanks for sharing. And thank-you to all who have shared clips and articles and even opinions about Dennis Kucinich. Peace.

Abookamongstthemany

angelica wrote:

Wow! This is some thread, Abook! I am very grateful to you, for your passion and for your commitment to sharing what you know about Dennis Kucinich. I've recently become more and more familiar with the man and I wanted to make some comments.

It's amazing to me to see that your country has generated enough awareness/understanding to actually give rise to a man like Dennis Kucinich. That, to me, is a beautiful thing, and one that speaks to the evolution of the human spirit. That he can be anywhere near to the presidency completely catches me off guard, to be honest. Whatever his course may be, it's wonderful that his example of purpose and leadership is being heard far and wide and will resonate in the hearts of the masses, who are glimpsing the evolution of humanity in his vision. This man is the real deal.

I agree with you Abook. I feel that the way for anyone to be authentic and to be connected with our individual truth is to vote for the person we feel represents us most closely, in any relevent election. By moving into theory, tricks and strategy, and detaching from the politician who represents us most authentically, we remove ourselves from representing our own voice. It's not a wonder that by doing so, we make disconnected choices that produce disconnected outcomes. When our thinking uses us as it's vehicle to making choices, rather than US using our thinking as a tool of our representation, we then perpetuate the patterns of inner/outer disconnection. Optimally, when we choose authenticity over fear, then we are truly athentically empowered and potent, and we hold our integrity intact. We can never go astray being authentic to ourselves.

I agree that the way to stop the blood on the hands of the American people in terms of Iraq is to stop the occupation. Americans are responsible for who they kill. I think it's backwards thinking to use logic to convince ourselves that it's the other way around--that to leave and to implement peaceful intervention the American people would be responsible for the blood on the hands of others whom the American people have NO authentic control over. It just doesn't work that way.

I heard somewhere recently that people with big egos want to follow those with even bigger egos. So I'm not surprised when people cite Dennis Kucinich's stature, or lack of "charisma" or any other smoke/mirrors aspect of his "image" while overlooking his authenticity and his understanding of global inter-connection, inter-dependency, resolution and of peace. Dennis Kucinich is speaking about the truth, and there is a very different quality to honesty and integrity than to carefully culled images. Dennis Kuchinich is representing the calm and the stillness and depths of the ocean, compared to the fickle surface waves and ripples more often represented in politics. He is not dependent on the false, illusory images the ego loves so. The truth shines brightly through him for all who have eyes to see. Frankly, it brings tears to my eyes when I see it, and I see it in this man.

Peace, Abook. Thanks for sharing. And thank-you to all who have shared clips and articles and even opinions about Dennis Kucinich. Peace.

Angelica, that was simply beautiful! Dennis brings tears to my eyes, as well. He awakens the hope inside me like no other politician has ever came close to and his optimism is contagious. He has a love for people...humanity, not just Americans and people who think like he does but for everyone living on this Earth. When I hear him speak it just lifts my spirits up and rings so true. He says what he believes and won't change that to say what might 'get him elected'. You're right, it's no wonder we're in the shape we are, if we choose our representation by picking the one with the best strategy and the most well crafted public persona. We are encouraging phonyness and treating our government, our society, our lives like some kinda game to win by the highest bidder with the best PR.

I'm so glad to you were able to see what I see in him. That connnection is important to me, it keeps me going and having faith that all is, indeed, possible. And the connection is especially important when it comes from someone I hold in such high regards and whose opinion I always look to for clarity and wisdom. Peace and Love, Angelica.

NMyTree

So I guess none of you traitors are voting for me, in 2008?:D

Betrayed......betrayed I tell ya'

angelica

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Angelica, that was simply beautiful! Dennis brings tears to my eyes, as well. He awakens the hope inside me like no other politician has ever came close to and his optimism is contagious. He has a love for people...humanity, not just Americans and people who think like he does but for everyone living on this Earth. When I hear him speak it just lifts my spirits up and rings so true. He says what he believes and won't change that to say what might 'get him elected'. You're right, it's no wonder we're in the shape we are, if we choose our representation by picking the one with the best strategy and the most well crafted public persona. We are encouraging phonyness and treating our government, our society, our lives like some kinda game to win by the highest bidder with the best PR.

I'm so glad to you were able to see what I see in him. That connnection is important to me, it keeps me going and having faith that all is, indeed, possible. And the connection is especially important when it comes from someone I hold in such high regards and whose opinion I always look to for clarity and wisdom. Peace and Love, Angelica.

Thank you so much, Abook! As always, you are ever so kind. I love the magic of these connections, especially when they create synapses which point to the potential for us to move towards.

I've noticed for years that George Bush is a glaring symptom of the underlying problem of the inauthenticity of a people as a whole--a people who were not yet ready to get real, and to take responsibility for what they generate and sustain, and how that is represented globally. And now, I'm having to see things in a whole new light. If the people can also generate and sustain a Dennis Kucinich, there is more awareness going on than I thought there would be for a long time coming. I'm very impressed that someone like Dennis Kucinich is this close in the running.

Are the people ready for the truth? I don't know. Are the people willing to vote for what they believe deep inside? I don't know. Are the people willing to turn things around and make potent choices for the worldwide resolutions they know are necessary for balance, or will they cling to the only patterns they know, being fear? I don't know. Will the people continue to blot out depth, value and substance for illusion and image? I don't know. Time will tell.

What I DO know is that in seeing this kind of amazing potential and awareness glimmering on the horizon I am filled with great hope!

angelica

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Not only what he says, but how he says it. To me he has the most conviction, emotion, and belief in what he is saying. The rest just seem to be reading cue cards or reciting script from memory in comparison.

Could be some interesting times ahead!

I couldn't agree more. You've got some awesome perception, Roland. I see the "cue cards vs. conviction" thing as being the difference between living from ego, and living from authenticity. These are some very interesting times! It'll be interesting to watch play out, that's for sure!

Abookamongstthemany

Dennis on climate change:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls7beTVd8ow

El_Kabong

dennis on NAFTA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7CqN6uNp4k
less than 2 min

on congress funding the war, again
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz04TCcOFCQ
2:23

El_Kabong

angelica wrote:

Wow! This is some thread, Abook! I am very grateful to you, for your passion and for your commitment to sharing what you know about Dennis Kucinich. I've recently become more and more familiar with the man and I wanted to make some comments.

It's amazing to me to see that your country has generated enough awareness/understanding to actually give rise to a man like Dennis Kucinich. That, to me, is a beautiful thing, and one that speaks to the evolution of the human spirit. That he can be anywhere near to the presidency completely catches me off guard, to be honest. Whatever his course may be, it's wonderful that his example of purpose and leadership is being heard far and wide and will resonate in the hearts of the masses, who are glimpsing the evolution of humanity in his vision. This man is the real deal.

I agree with you Abook. I feel that the way for anyone to be authentic and to be connected with our individual truth is to vote for the person we feel represents us most closely, in any relevent election. By moving into theory, tricks and strategy, and detaching from the politician who represents us most authentically, we remove ourselves from representing our own voice. It's not a wonder that by doing so, we make disconnected choices that produce disconnected outcomes. When our thinking uses us as it's vehicle to making choices, rather than US using our thinking as a tool of our representation, we then perpetuate the patterns of inner/outer disconnection. Optimally, when we choose authenticity over fear, then we are truly athentically empowered and potent, and we hold our integrity intact. We can never go astray being authentic to ourselves.

I agree that the way to stop the blood on the hands of the American people in terms of Iraq is to stop the occupation. Americans are responsible for who they kill. I think it's backwards thinking to use logic to convince ourselves that it's the other way around--that to leave and to implement peaceful intervention the American people would be responsible for the blood on the hands of others whom the American people have NO authentic control over. It just doesn't work that way.

I heard somewhere recently that people with big egos want to follow those with even bigger egos. So I'm not surprised when people cite Dennis Kucinich's stature, or lack of "charisma" or any other smoke/mirrors aspect of his "image" while overlooking his authenticity and his understanding of global inter-connection, inter-dependency, resolution and of peace. Dennis Kucinich is speaking about the truth, and there is a very different quality to honesty and integrity than to carefully culled images. Dennis Kuchinich is representing the calm and the stillness and depths of the ocean, compared to the fickle surface waves and ripples more often represented in politics. He is not dependent on the false, illusory images the ego loves so. The truth shines brightly through him for all who have eyes to see. Frankly, it brings tears to my eyes when I see it, and I see it in this man.

Peace, Abook. Thanks for sharing. And thank-you to all who have shared clips and articles and even opinions about Dennis Kucinich. Peace.

exactly, angelica! i don't understand how so many can complain about 'politics as usual' and then here's a chance to stand up to that and instead....they just give in all over again and back a candidate that is pretty much 'politics as usual'

MrBrian

El_Kabong wrote:

exactly, angelica! i don't understand how so many can complain about 'politics as usual' and then here's a chance to stand up to that and instead....they just give in all over again and back a candidate that is pretty much 'politics as usual'

Kucinich ran in 04'. but you voted for kerry, so I think the answer is within yourself.

Maybe they feel the way you did back then, lesser of two evils is the only way out.

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and you know i luv yeah bong, but the way people ran to kerry in 04'....was a bad thing. Kerry spoke of no good, bomb iran, support israel, patriot act. Then all these open minded folks ran to him. we hate you but we hate the other guy more they sang. Nader when the election is over we'll support you again but this is not the time for you to run is what they said.

I myself don't understand. or maybe this election is not as important as the last one? so it's fine to support a "lower level" candidate?

So if Dennis does'nt get the nomination, who do you vote for? one of the 'politics as usual' guys?

Abookamongstthemany

MrBrian wrote:

Kucinich ran in 04'. but you voted for kerry, so I think the answer is within yourself.

Maybe they feel the way you did back then, lesser of two evils is the only way out.

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and you know i luv yeah bong, but the way people ran to kerry in 04'....was a bad thing. Kerry spoke of no good, bomb iran, support israel, patriot act. Then all these open minded folks ran to him. we hate you but we hate the other guy more they sang. Nader when the election is over we'll support you again but this is not the time for you to run is what they said.

I myself don't understand. or maybe this election is not as important as the last one? so it's fine to support a "lower level" candidate?

So if Dennis does'nt get the nomination, who do you vote for? one of the 'politics as usual' guys?

I also voted for Kerry and it's move I consider to now be a mistake. At the time it felt right but now I see it was compromising my principles and if I ever hope to see real change in this country, I can't be afraid to go for it and stand up for I believe to be true and just. If I can't do that then those principles aren't worth having.

If Dennis doesnt get the nod, I'll probably go 3rd party.

El_Kabong

MrBrian wrote:

Kucinich ran in 04'. but you voted for kerry, so I think the answer is within yourself.

Maybe they feel the way you did back then, lesser of two evils is the only way out.

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and you know i luv yeah bong, but the way people ran to kerry in 04'....was a bad thing. Kerry spoke of no good, bomb iran, support israel, patriot act. Then all these open minded folks ran to him. we hate you but we hate the other guy more they sang. Nader when the election is over we'll support you again but this is not the time for you to run is what they said.

I myself don't understand. or maybe this election is not as important as the last one? so it's fine to support a "lower level" candidate?

So if Dennis does'nt get the nomination, who do you vote for? one of the 'politics as usual' guys?

yes, and i was pretty much the first one to say it was a mistake to vote for kerry and compromise my beliefs and values

and yes, i felt it was more important of an election to get cheney and his and the neo-con influence out of the white house.

if dennis doesn't get the nomination i guess i will write his name in or vote third party

also, there is a big difference between voting for someone when the party has nominated them and giving your support to get that nomination.

angelica

El_Kabong wrote:

exactly, angelica! i don't understand how so many can complain about 'politics as usual' and then here's a chance to stand up to that and instead....they just give in all over again and back a candidate that is pretty much 'politics as usual'

People are very slow to change, if they even do. Many people cycle through the same patterns over and over.

Also, people are comfortable with "the evil that they know", which in this case is the politics as usual. So comfortable that they'd rather experience that evil for another 4 years, rather than to imagine or create something that they don't know or something new and healthier and outside the same old repeating cycles.

NMyTree

Not that anyone gives a crap and despite none of you traitors voting for me; I am a Kucinich supporter.

I will vote for him, if no one votes for me:D