why do you believe in God or...

deadnothingbetter

brokendave wrote:

I don't understand you're question. New at atheism? or talking about the bible? or what?

the second part....

God is telling Christians to murder unbelievers, no matter what time it is speaking of!

deadnothingbetter wrote:

the old laws were there to show the israelis what it's like without God... it was God's way of showing them how life would be on their own way... indeed that is the route they took... to this day, it still is that way with the jews... they followed rituals of different kinds because that was their tradition... they all were influenced by pagan cultures and you see that when they worshipped the god of baal when moses came down with the 10 commandments... after that it all went spiraling down... God never intended for it to be that way... he wanted to deal with the jews on a one-on-one basis but they were too scared. so eventually that's where they went.... but God reestablished that to summarize all of that into one person alone... that person was Jesus Christ. no longer did they have to follow traditions because those were all paganistic lifestyles... no more sacrifices... "For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect." Hebrews 10:1

gue_barium

deadnothingbetter wrote:

i personally don't know what he's trying to do

Well, I think people knock the bible because they've seen it in too many a hypocrite's hands. I understand that. Still, it is a piece of literature, of record, of history, and fable that is worthy in it's own right for standing the test of time.

deadnothingbetter

gue_barium wrote:

Well, I think people knock the bible because they've seen it in too many a hypocrite's hands. I understand that. Still, it is a piece of literature, of record, of history, and fable that is worthy in it's own right for standing the test of time.

a hypocrite, like cory?

gue_barium

cory wrote:

I'm not discrediting anything. Don't take my sarcasm and abusive language as non-belief in anything. I'm merely arguing on a message board with people who think they have all the answers to everything. I'm going to go do some work now while you sit here rotting all day accomplishing nothing but promoting your own extensive vocabularies and boring philosophies.

No disrespect;)

You're taking the easy way out.

gue_barium

deadnothingbetter wrote:

a hypocrite, like cory?

Cory isn't a hypocrite. He's a slacker. Probably one of those IT people.

deadnothingbetter

gue_barium wrote:

Cory isn't a hypocrite. He's a slacker. Probably one of those IT people.

i don't know what cory is, or isn't... i really don't care... i just think that it's even easier to accept people for their beliefs and all without offending them and still not doubting any of your own beliefs.

that's my problem with most people. that they try to make my beliefs look stupid, or try to make me feel like an idiot for believing it... well, i mean, i'm sure many think it's ridiculous you know, a fable, so i'll give 'em that much. i just think people need to use a little common sense when dealing with people's faiths, beliefs, or lack of belief and all...

i think in this case, cory is making it harder for himself... nobody is claiming to know everything, including myself. i'm just sharing, that's all.

Nothingman54

catefrances wrote:

...why don't you, if that is the case.


i am an atheist. i don't believe in a God cause it makes absolutely no sense to me. this has been the case since i was 11 years old. religion does not give me the answers i require.

The answers you require you may never get. We all have questions and want answers but I beileve we will find those answers when we die. When I walk outside and smell the air and think how everything is set up so perfect, sunrise, sunset, trees, water, birth, life, people, I know there is a God. I dont need answers right now cause I know one day I will get them.

freedomboy

cory wrote:

Some of you people need to find Jesus...

Anyway, there's no definitive proof for or against according to scientists, but I don't hang out with people who try to disprove the very fabric of society's majority so I don't give a rat's ass.

Long story short, wouldn't you rather be known for promoting good and positivity in your lifetime rather than being a person who tried bring people down into your own worlds of doubt and self-loathing?

I always looked at these threads as an attempt to see if there are other people out there whose lives are as unfulfilled and hopeless and the person who started the thread.

Have a wonderful day!:) <---yes, I was being ugly.

Cory,

You are as funny as you think you are, but probably not as smart. Long story short, "the very fabric of society's majority" is contributing to the destruction of the planet, war, bigotry, imperialism, corporate corruption, oppression, and inequality... This has nothing with trying to ruin somebody's day, but it does have a great deal to do with the future longevity of humanity.

Christians, Jews, and Muslims continue to wage war and imperialism over the world. You want to tell me what I have to say and believe, and you try to achieve this through invading our political spectrum. Since this is the case, I will not sit idly by and watch. You started this war, but I will see it through. I will never stop challenging the existence of God, and I will do everything I can to restore the balance of power in this sense.

So, go drink a Coca-Cola and watch MTV Cribs... I am sorry I spoiled your day with my rational thought. Hey, maybe we should all just trust that the government will make the best decisions for us too? While we are at it, we will all find our daddy sasquatch in the forest, and everything will be okay!

I await your equally smart ass reply,

brokendave

freedomboy

deadnothingbetter wrote:

the second part....

I was speaking of your remarks to my new testament quote.

You said it was refering to the "end times"...

So you are telling me that God will have you bring us "non-believers" before him so that you can murder me in front of him? (that was a rhetorical question btw)

THOU SHALT NOT KILL

deadnothingbetter

brokendave wrote:

I was speaking of your remarks to my new testament quote.

You said it was refering to the "end times"...

So you are telling me that God will have you bring us "non-believers" before him so that you can murder me in front of him? (that was a rhetorical question btw)

THOU SHALT NOT KILL

i've never been as lost in a discussion like i am right now.... what?

i don't remember referring to the end of times.....

please elaborate about me killing you in front of God, what are you referring to? you were quoting old testament verses not the new testament. and if you were quoting old testament verses i responded with a response i made to another person... i said, the old testament was a whole other ballpark and it was all another time and tradition influenced by other pagan religions... but now it's all different. there's no doubting that.

gue_barium

deadnothingbetter wrote:

i don't know what cory is, or isn't... i really don't care... i just think that it's even easier to accept people for their beliefs and all without offending them and still not doubting any of your own beliefs.

that's my problem with most people. that they try to make my beliefs look stupid, or try to make me feel like an idiot for believing it... well, i mean, i'm sure many think it's ridiculous you know, a fable, so i'll give 'em that much. i just think people need to use a little common sense when dealing with people's faiths, beliefs, or lack of belief and all...

i think in this case, cory is making it harder for himself... nobody is claiming to know everything, including myself. i'm just sharing, that's all.

Right, and we're going to get to that later. The sharing part: "i'm just sharing, and that's all."

You're very good with the Bible, and I appreciate that, particulary in light of the fact it is quite out of vogue here. That's good faith.
In yourself.

gue_barium

deadnothingbetter wrote:

i've never been as lost in a discussion like i am right now.... what?

i don't remember referring to the end of times.....

please elaborate about me killing you in front of God, what are you referring to? you were quoting old testament verses not the new testament. and if you were quoting old testament verses i responded with a response i made to another person... i said, the old testament was a whole other ballpark and it was all another time and tradition influenced by other pagan religions... but now it's all different. there's no doubting that.

Isn't it odd that these bible bashers take the word of the bible as ...GOD?! without any interpretation or reference, historical or otherwise, in it for themselves?

freedomboy

nickcat0 wrote:

As a teenager I was an atheist . There was no proof of a God , and science seemed to be able to explain most things .
Whilst I was at college , I was friendly with 2 Christians and we used to debate and discuss religion , God , heaven and hell etc. They would point out passages from the Bible to back up their claims , and took time to explain various key passages . I can't fully explain it but , eventually , it all just seemed to make sense .
Since that day I have been convinced of God's existence . I have received comfort in times of despair , and although I'm sure not all my prayers have been answered in the way I wanted ; there have been too many times when my prayers have been answered in a very specific way , that goes beyond coincidence .
In my experience , once I stopped looking for proof and just had faith , then the proof followed .

That is what "God" and religion is all about... comfort. The only proof you have is comfort.

You know, you and I are complete opposites. I was raised believing in God, and then grew to understand the farce...

Let me tell you, I haven't experienced that comfort since I stopped believing, but I will tell you this:

You have that comfort because you can lay all of your worries and problems onto someone or something else known in this case as "God"... The world isn't so comforting when YOU are responsible for YOU.

gue_barium

brokendave wrote:

That is what "God" and religion is all about... comfort. The only proof you have is comfort.

You know, you and I are complete opposites. I was raised believing in God, and then grew to understand the farce...

Let me tell you, I haven't experienced that comfort since I stopped believing, but I will tell you this:

You have that comfort because you can lay all of your worries and problems onto someone or something else known in this case as "God"... The world isn't so comforting when YOU are responsible for YOU.

Why's that? Did you kill somebody?

deadnothingbetter

brokendave wrote:

That is what "God" and religion is all about... comfort. The only proof you have is comfort.

You know, you and I are complete opposites. I was raised believing in God, and then grew to understand the farce...

Let me tell you, I haven't experienced that comfort since I stopped believing, but I will tell you this:

You have that comfort because you can lay all of your worries and problems onto someone or something else known in this case as "God"... The world isn't so comforting when YOU are responsible for YOU.

well, isn't that what it's about? feeling comfort in this world, finding peace in a chaotic world?

CorporateWhore

brokendave wrote:

The world isn't so comforting when YOU are responsible for YOU.

I think I heard that at mass on Sunday...

No priest would disagree with that.

deadnothingbetter

gue_barium wrote:

Isn't it odd that these bible bashers take the word of the bible as ...GOD?! without any interpretation or reference, historical or otherwise, in it for themselves?

it is, indeed.

angelica

brokendave wrote:

Cory,

You are as funny as you think you are, but probably not as smart. Long story short, "the very fabric of society's majority" is contributing to the destruction of the planet, war, bigotry, imperialism, corporate corruption, oppression, and inequality... This has nothing with trying to ruin somebody's day, but it does have a great deal to do with the future longevity of humanity.

Christians, Jews, and Muslims continue to wage war and imperialism over the world. You want to tell me what I have to say and believe, and you try to achieve this through invading our political spectrum. Since this is the case, I will not sit idly by and watch. You started this war, but I will see it through. I will never stop challenging the existence of God, and I will do everything I can to restore the balance of power in this sense.

So, go drink a Coca-Cola and watch MTV Cribs... I am sorry I spoiled your day with my rational thought. Hey, maybe we should all just trust that the government will make the best decisions for us too? While we are at it, we will all find our daddy sasquatch in the forest, and everything will be okay!

I await your equally smart ass reply,

brokendave

I understand you wanting to influence things and help restore balance. I seek to do so myself. The key is, though, that the fallout you mention is where the majority is in it's natural evolution. What you refer to is "lack". We counterbalance lack and restore balance with presence. We do this with presence of information, presence of help, presence of support and that which balances the lack. That is how evolution works. Adding lack to lack shows we're all in the same boat, experiencing lack in order to evolve and grow, Christian or athiest alike. As human beings.

It remains that where general society has evolved to right here and now--including the humans within society and their minsets and beliefs--is where it is. Evolution is not "wrong". Any conflict with what exists right now, such as the idea that it is "wrong" exists within us. Evolution is what it is and it is improving bit by bit. That is it's nature. And yes, within that evolution there is fallout. For two steps forward, we take one back. ALL of us experience such processes. It's not about "right/wrong" or "self/other". It's about what IS. We can look at this process and criticize where it is, but I can't see how that is helpful.

When we create lack we are accountable for contributing to our problems and conflicts. When we create the presence of healthy balance and awareness, then we are responsible for contributing to balance.

Whether we call it "evil" or "lack" anti-life principles remain anti-life and anti-evolution and we create painful fallout by our actions. This is whether acted out by Christians or athiests. We each choose in each moment: presence or lack.

gue_barium

angelica wrote:

I understand you wanting to influence things and help restore balance. I seek to do so myself. The key is, though, that the fallout you mention is where the majority is in it's natural evolution. What you refer to is "lack". We counterbalance lack restore balance with presence. We do this with presence of information, presence of help, presence of support and that which balances the lack. That is how evolution works. Adding lack to lack shows we're all in the same boat, experiencing lack in order to evolve and grow, Christian or athiest alike. As human beings.

It remains that where general society has evolved to right here and now--including the humans within society and their minsets and beliefs--is where it is. Evolution is not "wrong". Any conflict with what exists right now, such as the idea that it is "wrong" exists within us. Evolution is what it is and it is improving bit by bit. That is it's nature. And yes, within that evolution there is fallout. For two steps forward, we take one back. ALL of us experience such processes. It's not about "right/wrong" or "self/other". It's about what IS. We can look at this process and criticize where it is, but I can't see how that is helpful.

When we create lack we are accountable for contributing to our problems and conflicts. When we create the presence of healthy balance and awareness, then we are responsible for contributing to balance.

Whether we call it "evil" or "lack" anti-life principles remain anti-life and anti-evolution and we create painful fallout by our actions. This is whether acted out by Christians or athiests. We each choose in each moment: presence or lack.

I said "slacker" not "lacker".



But, I still don't know what the hell you're talking about.

gue_barium

gue_barium wrote:

I said "slacker" not "lacker".



But, I still don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Oops. That wasn't for me.

That makes me a lacker.

Now I kind of see what you're saying.