i would say he was. most of us (Americans) dont know what its like until we travel out of the country.
You would say he was?!? Did you know him? Jesus Christ, you and Byrnzie are a pair.
Maybe this was just an anomoly. Maybe this guys was a crazy fucker. Maybe he had erectile disfuntion. Maybe he saw poltergeist. Maybe he was a bedwetter. Maybe he... maybe.... maybe....
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
It's not unknown or an implication after as a family we read his note.
I also don't see the correlation to evolution. Evolution involves growth or production. If you are talking about natural selection perhaps you are right.
You're damn right it's anger, anger at callous remarks as if suicide is something to joke about.
I often expand both sides of the argument to find the middle ground.
Someone who owns a room full of guns committing suicide with a gun to me is somewhat of a parody. On the other hand, if someone (non gun nut) gets their hands on a gun for a specific purpose, that is an absolute tragedy. I myself will never own a gun for that reason alone. My life is no field of roses, so I can't say 100% I wouldn't be tempted do the same at some point. Factor in alcohol, bad timing etc... It's something I never want to make myself available to.
I am very sorry to hear about your loss. That's a really a very shitty circumstance. Time will heal. In strength we move forward.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
what ever happened to "do undo others as you would have them to unto you" . Sorry but even this debate is getting harsh. No wonder people are acting out against each other. People are way to harsh and quick to judge. There's going to be more shootings like this I am very sorry to say. North American society is F______ just watch the TV and look at the news. You have to be beautiful, you have to be fit, you have to be skinny, you have to be smart, you have to have nice clothes, you have to drive a nice car, you have to be rich, the standard family has gone. Two many single parents, etc, etc.....
If we don't start treating each other with more kindness the violence will not stop.
Peace,
________________________
Too many shows but never enough!
These guys are the fruit of the earth...
what ever happened to "do undo others as you would have them to unto you" . Sorry but even this debate is getting harsh. No wonder people are acting out against each other. People are way to harsh and quick to judge. There's going to be more shootings like this I am very sorry to say. North American society is F______ just watch the TV and look at the news. You have to be beautiful, you have to be fit, you have to be skinny, you have to be smart, you have to have nice clothes, you have to drive a nice car, you have to be rich, the standard family has gone. Two many single parents, etc, etc.....
If we don't start treating each other with more kindness the violence will not stop.
The vast majority of people are good. The world in general is good.
The media needs to stop painting a picture of hatred and misfortune like it's the meal of the day. It's defeating in purpose. They make money selling sensationalistic stories...so that's what they do. It's really all just tabloid mentality in varying degrees. Some people can only hear so much bad news and keep it together. Fear keeps consumers consuming. This is how our gov't is failing us miserably.
People will look back in time and say wow how stupid we were to put money and material possessions above all else. Some of the happiest people I've ever met are also some of the poorest.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
the most ironic thing about this debate is it's distance from reality. nobody suggests a logical solution; they only throw personal opinions back and forth.
americans will always have guns.
1) every oath of office requires the oathee to swear to protect the constitution. failure to do so is an impeachable offence.
2) should congress try to remove this right; armed americans will protect the constitution.
3) as of 2005; 23 states issue conceiled weapons permits and an additional 11 agree to respect that permit in their jurisdiction. thus; passing of any legislation is impossible.
4) the supreme court has always upheld the second ammendment and the right of a citizen to protect himself. this right includes the right to protect oneself against the government.
based on these facts; the only logical solution is education. if laws stopped crime; we'd be a crime free society.
The rich get richer....the poor drop out of school and sell drugs to make money or something like that.
It starts at the top. Greed.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
The vast majority of people are good. The world in general is good.
The media needs to stop painting a picture of hatred and misfortune like it's the meal of the day. It's defeating in purpose. They make money selling sensationalistic stories...so that's what they do. It's really all just tabloid mentality in varying degrees. Some people can only hear so much bad news and keep it together. Fear keeps consumers consuming. This is how our gov't is failing us miserably.
People will look back in time and say wow how stupid we were to put money and material possessions above all else. Some of the happiest people I've ever met are also some of the poorest.
I concur!
Peace,
________________________
Too many shows but never enough!
These guys are the fruit of the earth...
sure it does. it exists everywhere, in every country around the world.
but to say asians are subjected to abuse on college campuses is simply not true.
Why not? You just said racism and prejudice exist.. Therefore it is very possible for an asian person, like a black person, to be subjected to racial abuse on a college campus... or are college campuses racism/abuse free zones?
Does anyone actually have ANY decent evidence that this kid was "racially abused"?
Don't think that was stated. Just trying to understand what could drive people to flip in such a way.. pressures, fitting in, etc.... racism was just part of this fitting in stuff... just general discussion.. not saying the shooter had been abused...
Don't think that was stated. Just trying to understand what could drive people to flip in such a way.. pressures, fitting in, etc.... racism was just part of this fitting in stuff... just general discussion.. not saying the shooter had been abused...
I am inclined to agree with jlew, but yeah, the basic difficulties with fitting in would obviously add to the stress level, to be sure.
Why not? You just said racism and prejudice exist.. Therefore it is very possible for an asian person, like a black person, to be subjected to racial abuse on a college campus... or are college campuses racism/abuse free zones?
It's about as likely as a white person being subjected to racial abuse except asian people have more protections on many campuses that I have been to.
I am inclined to agree with jlew, but yeah, the basic difficulties with fitting in would obviously add to the stress level, to be sure.
Just looking back at the various shootings, the shooters were 'outsiders' (in their own way), therefore maybe more inclined to 'get back at society' a bit more than others. Social impact on these 'vulnerable' people could mean they react differently to others that are more integrated in this society.. ie, may one more integrated would shoot the girlfriend/person he has a beef with instead of 'getting even' with the rest of the world....
Very simplisticly (is that a word?) said but just a thought.... Obviously the shooter is to blame, but we, as a society, we probably also have a bit part to play here...
Just looking back at the various shootings, the shooters were 'outsiders' (in their own way), therefore maybe more inclined to 'get back at society' a bit more than others. Social impact on these 'vulnerable' people could mean they react differently to others that are more integrated in this society.. ie, may one more integrated would shoot the girlfriend/person he has a beef with instead of 'getting even' with the rest of the world....
Very simplisticly (is that a word?) said but just a thought....
Were they outsiders by choice though? Some may say that they created this status for themselves.
Just looking back at the various shootings, the shooters were 'outsiders' (in their own way), therefore maybe more inclined to 'get back at society' a bit more than others. Social impact on these 'vulnerable' people could mean they react differently to others that are more integrated in this society.. ie, may one more integrated would shoot the girlfriend/person he has a beef with instead of 'getting even' with the rest of the world....
Very simplisticly (is that a word?) said but just a thought....
Indeed, but what makes these people vulnerable is a whole confluence of different factors. Most school shooters are white, actually, although obviously that is changing.
There are some serious personality problems at work in these cases ... As you asked, why do some of them go so far beyond just killing one person immediately related to their stress?
It's about as likely as a white person being subjected to racial abuse except asian people have more protections on many campuses that I have been to.
May have more protection by law or regulations but nothing stops abuse.. covert or not. It can easily just be constant snubs, etc. Doesn't have to be big gestures... Same goes for white folk... abuse is not just against different races... A group of white people can very easily marginalise another white person.....
It's about as likely as a white person being subjected to racial abuse except asian people have more protections on many campuses that I have been to.
my daughter and 1 other person were the only whites on thier small campus in phoenix. they were the only ones who DIDN'T receive a scholorship of any kind. my daughter was top of her class so grades have nothing to do with it. it's all race.
that being said; i can see why a white person would go off. i did. not with violence but i fought until i couldn't fight anymore.
May have more protection by law or regulations but nothing stops abuse.. covert or not. It can easily just be constant snubs, etc. Doesn't have to be big gestures... Same goes for white folk... abuse is not just against different races... A group of white people can very easily marginalise another white person.....
and whites are subject to abuse by minorities. let's tell the whole story.
Indeed, but what makes these people vulnerable is a whole confluence of different factors.
Absolutely... it is far reaching...
And zstillings... one may 'chose' to be an outsider, but that could be a reaction (a defensive one?) against groups/society that have rejected him one way or the other (ie.. too strange looking amongst 'proper' folk, different views from the majority of people around him...). Can't fit and as such completely distancing himself from the 'group'....
Too many possibilities for one to become alienated - a loner - thus retreating in their own world.
and whites are subject to abuse by minorities. let's tell the whole story.
black against whites, whites against asians, asians against blacks, whites against natives, blondes against redheads, rich against less advantage, etc...
Of course, every group in society can be subjected to abuse by another...
my daughter and 1 other person were the only whites on thier small campus in phoenix. they were the only ones who DIDN'T receive a scholorship of any kind. my daughter was top of her class so grades have nothing to do with it. it's all race.
that being said; i can see why a white person would go off. i did. not with violence but i fought until i couldn't fight anymore.
Should have taken it up... positive discrimination is crap (if that's what it was)... If there were rules for the scholarship (grades, finances, etc.) they should have been applied to all. You had the right to know why she didn't get the scholarship, where she failed and what the appeal process was...
And zstillings... one may 'chose' to be an outsider, but that could be a reaction (a defensive one?) against groups/society that have rejected him one way or the other (ie.. too strange looking amongst 'proper' folk, different views from the majority of people around him...). Can't fit and as such completely distancing himself from the 'group'....
Too many possibilities for one to become alienated - a loner - thus retreating in their own world.
I do agree that there are many different possibilities and I am only bringing these up, not really against what you are saying, but against a pervasive mentality that somehow attempts to lift the blame from the offender and place it on outside influences. I, once again, am not accusing you of this. It just seems to happen more often than not.
Why not? You just said racism and prejudice exist.. Therefore it is very possible for an asian person, like a black person, to be subjected to racial abuse on a college campus... or are college campuses racism/abuse free zones?
its possible and it exists but its not some huge problem that asian people deal with in general. got it now? fuck
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You would say he was?!? Did you know him? Jesus Christ, you and Byrnzie are a pair.
Maybe this was just an anomoly. Maybe this guys was a crazy fucker. Maybe he had erectile disfuntion. Maybe he saw poltergeist. Maybe he was a bedwetter. Maybe he... maybe.... maybe....
For you to speak to me
I'll open up
Release me
I often expand both sides of the argument to find the middle ground.
Someone who owns a room full of guns committing suicide with a gun to me is somewhat of a parody. On the other hand, if someone (non gun nut) gets their hands on a gun for a specific purpose, that is an absolute tragedy. I myself will never own a gun for that reason alone. My life is no field of roses, so I can't say 100% I wouldn't be tempted do the same at some point. Factor in alcohol, bad timing etc... It's something I never want to make myself available to.
I am very sorry to hear about your loss. That's a really a very shitty circumstance. Time will heal. In strength we move forward.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
If we don't start treating each other with more kindness the violence will not stop.
________________________
Too many shows but never enough!
These guys are the fruit of the earth...
no no, you didnt offend me at all. I just do not think that asian people are subjected to abuse as was suggested
Since they began having brown skin.
For you to speak to me
I'll open up
Release me
The vast majority of people are good. The world in general is good.
The media needs to stop painting a picture of hatred and misfortune like it's the meal of the day. It's defeating in purpose. They make money selling sensationalistic stories...so that's what they do. It's really all just tabloid mentality in varying degrees. Some people can only hear so much bad news and keep it together. Fear keeps consumers consuming. This is how our gov't is failing us miserably.
People will look back in time and say wow how stupid we were to put money and material possessions above all else. Some of the happiest people I've ever met are also some of the poorest.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
americans will always have guns.
1) every oath of office requires the oathee to swear to protect the constitution. failure to do so is an impeachable offence.
2) should congress try to remove this right; armed americans will protect the constitution.
3) as of 2005; 23 states issue conceiled weapons permits and an additional 11 agree to respect that permit in their jurisdiction. thus; passing of any legislation is impossible.
4) the supreme court has always upheld the second ammendment and the right of a citizen to protect himself. this right includes the right to protect oneself against the government.
based on these facts; the only logical solution is education. if laws stopped crime; we'd be a crime free society.
It starts at the top. Greed.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
I concur!
________________________
Too many shows but never enough!
These guys are the fruit of the earth...
sure it does. it exists everywhere, in every country around the world.
but to say asians are subjected to abuse on college campuses is simply not true.
Why not? You just said racism and prejudice exist.. Therefore it is very possible for an asian person, like a black person, to be subjected to racial abuse on a college campus... or are college campuses racism/abuse free zones?
Don't think that was stated. Just trying to understand what could drive people to flip in such a way.. pressures, fitting in, etc.... racism was just part of this fitting in stuff... just general discussion.. not saying the shooter had been abused...
I am inclined to agree with jlew, but yeah, the basic difficulties with fitting in would obviously add to the stress level, to be sure.
It's about as likely as a white person being subjected to racial abuse except asian people have more protections on many campuses that I have been to.
Very simplisticly (is that a word?) said but just a thought.... Obviously the shooter is to blame, but we, as a society, we probably also have a bit part to play here...
Were they outsiders by choice though? Some may say that they created this status for themselves.
Indeed, but what makes these people vulnerable is a whole confluence of different factors. Most school shooters are white, actually, although obviously that is changing.
There are some serious personality problems at work in these cases ... As you asked, why do some of them go so far beyond just killing one person immediately related to their stress?
my daughter and 1 other person were the only whites on thier small campus in phoenix. they were the only ones who DIDN'T receive a scholorship of any kind. my daughter was top of her class so grades have nothing to do with it. it's all race.
that being said; i can see why a white person would go off. i did. not with violence but i fought until i couldn't fight anymore.
and whites are subject to abuse by minorities. let's tell the whole story.
And zstillings... one may 'chose' to be an outsider, but that could be a reaction (a defensive one?) against groups/society that have rejected him one way or the other (ie.. too strange looking amongst 'proper' folk, different views from the majority of people around him...). Can't fit and as such completely distancing himself from the 'group'....
Too many possibilities for one to become alienated - a loner - thus retreating in their own world.
Of course, every group in society can be subjected to abuse by another...
Should have taken it up... positive discrimination is crap (if that's what it was)... If there were rules for the scholarship (grades, finances, etc.) they should have been applied to all. You had the right to know why she didn't get the scholarship, where she failed and what the appeal process was...
I do agree that there are many different possibilities and I am only bringing these up, not really against what you are saying, but against a pervasive mentality that somehow attempts to lift the blame from the offender and place it on outside influences. I, once again, am not accusing you of this. It just seems to happen more often than not.
its possible and it exists but its not some huge problem that asian people deal with in general. got it now? fuck