Gun Debate

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  • jrb112476jrb112476 Posts: 43
    zstillings wrote:
    And I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority are used for hunting and sport.


    i know 2 people out of probably 100 that have guns for "protection"...the rest are hunters
  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    dunkman wrote:
    he didnt break any law if, for instance, he went along to a Gun Show in Virginia as its perfectly legal to buy a gun at one of these shows without any background checks!!!

    It is illegal for a non-resident alien to possess a firearms. So obviously you're wrong here.

    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-308.2C01

    He was clearly breaking the law. But we should enact more laws to make it illegal to violate existing laws.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    The shooter was a legal US resident.....
  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    Collin wrote:
    So what's the NRA's response to these tragedies?

    The National Rifle Association joins the entire country in expressing our deepest condolences to the families of Virginia Tech University and everyone else affected by this horrible tragedy.

    Our thoughts and prayers are with the families.

    We will not have further comment until all the facts are known.

    Andrew Arulanandam
    Director of Public Affairs
    National Rifle Association

    http://www.nra.org/Article.aspx?id=8442
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  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    jrb112476 wrote:
    ITS A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT DICK HEAD!! MOVE TO ANOTHER COUNTRY IF YOU WANT THE GOVERNMENT TELLING YOU WHAT CAN AND CANT HAVE!!


    But... they do that all the time.. it's called laws.. tells you what you can do and not do, what you can have and not have....

    My.. you are aggressive and rude... yelling.. calling people dick head and bitch... all that with just a few posts.. well done...
  • jrb112476jrb112476 Posts: 43
    cities with the harshest gun control laws have the worst crime
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    jrb112476 wrote:
    ITS A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT DICK HEAD!! MOVE TO ANOTHER COUNTRY IF YOU WANT THE GOVERNMENT TELLING YOU WHAT CAN AND CANT HAVE!!

    whoa there partner...I see you're new around this parts....first, relax...take off the caps button...and then take a deep breath....

    second, I understand the 2nd amendment has been interpreted the way you see it...which is fine...

    I was simply asking for some other examples for the use of guns...which were invented to kill...so if you can come up with some, great....if not, that's ok too...it just proves my point, which is guns are made for killing...all that other fun stuff, like shooting things out of the air is just a bonus...

    no need to be calling names...
  • jrb112476jrb112476 Posts: 43
    redrock wrote:
    But... they do that all the time.. it's called laws.. tells you what you can do and not do, what you can have and not have....


    LAWS are a lot different than fucking with the constitution...you want to be like bush??
  • jrb112476jrb112476 Posts: 43
    inmytree wrote:
    whoa there partner...I see you're new around this parts....first, relax...take off the caps button...and then take a deep breath....

    second, I understand the 2nd amendment has been interpreted the way you see it...which is fine...

    I was simply asking for some other examples for the use of guns...which were invented to kill...so if you can come up with some, great....if not, that's ok too...it just proves my point, which is guns are made for killing...all that other fun stuff, like shooting things out of the air is just a bonus...

    no need to be calling names...

    sorry, just got a little frustrated....believe me, i would impose SERIOUS requirements for purchasing guns....the way they have it now, anyone can get a gun..at least where i live
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    jrb112476 wrote:
    cities with the harshest gun control laws have the worst crime
    Anything we can refer to?
  • jrb112476jrb112476 Posts: 43
    redrock wrote:
    But... they do that all the time.. it's called laws.. tells you what you can do and not do, what you can have and not have....

    My.. you are aggressive and rude... yelling.. calling people dick head and bitch... all that with just a few posts.. well done...


    sorry...just been arguing about this all day
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    jrb112476 wrote:
    uh..ever heard of hunting?? or are you against killing animals?? ever heard of target shooting?? ever heard of skeet shooting?? ever heard of collecting guns? im for making the gun laws extremely strict, but banning them because you have a bunch of fuckin idiots on drugs that like to shoot people up?? hell no....you are the kind of people that only scream "CONSTITUTION" when its convienent for you....2nd amendment bitch

    yes, I've heard of hunting...which is killing...which is what guns are made for..

    skeet shooting...great hobby, which is just glorified target practice, in case you need to shoot somebody...

    collecting...sure, collecting guns that are pretty and shiny, so one can be fashionable when shooting someone or something...yippeeeeee....

    again, relax....take you meds...you'll feel better...
  • jrb112476jrb112476 Posts: 43
    redrock wrote:
    Anything we can refer to?


    http://www.ncpa.org/pub/st/st176/s176c.html
  • libragirllibragirl Posts: 4,632
    my stance:

    it's not the wild wild west anymore. why do people feel the need to own guns in this day and age?


    well maybe we all need guns to defend ourselves against psychos. I don't like guns but it'll equal the playing ground if you have one and someone decides to go on a shooting spree.
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  • jrb112476jrb112476 Posts: 43
    inmytree wrote:
    yes, I've heard of hunting...which is killing...which is what guns are made for..

    skeet shooting...great hobby, which is just glorified target practice, in case you need to shoot somebody...

    collecting...sure, collecting guns that are pretty and shiny, so one can be fashionable when shooting someone or something...yippeeeeee....

    again, relax....take you meds...you'll feel better...


    you are one stereotypical jack ass....i have a gun, have i shot anyone? no, would i ever? not unless my life was threatened
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    jrb112476 wrote:
    LAWS are a lot different than fucking with the constitution...you want to be like bush??

    Would you care to read this post by hippiemom (in another thread).. it might enlighten you...

    "On second thought, I'm not going to wait for you to explain Article V. You can't, because you clearly don't understand it. So how about you try to wrap your genius brain around this:

    The Bill of Rights consists of the first ten amendments to the U.S. Constitution. They thus became a part of the Constitution itself, as did all subsequent amendments. The process for amending any part of the Constitution is laid out in Article V. There are two ways that it can be done.

    1. Both houses of Congress approve, by a 2/3 majority, a resolution calling for an amendment. The proposed amendment must then be approved by the legislatures of 3/4 of the states.

    2. Alternatively, the legislatures of 3/4 of the states vote to call for a convention at which constitutional amendments can be proposed. Any amendments proposed by the convention would then require approval by the legislatures of 3/4 of the states.

    Now you explain to me why it is that you think the first ten amendments are somehow immune to this process."

    I also seem to remember a Simpsons episode about how these things work... it was perfectly clear to my little daughter at the time... maybe it would be for you too.
  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    inmytree wrote:
    I haven't...

    guns are for killing, right...? what do you use yours for...brushing your teeth, a salt shaker, to put that extra bulge in your pants....?

    please, tell us about some of the "other things"...

    protection against rattlesnakes; mountain lions; coyotes; tweekers that come to areas without police protection to kill and rob for money to buy meth. and generally uphold the law in areas where government does not provide protection.
    come spend some time on the open range in the vast wilderness areas or work a ranch here and you won't be making such iggnorant comments.
  • jrb112476jrb112476 Posts: 43
    inmytree wrote:
    yes, I've heard of hunting...which is killing...which is what guns are made for..

    skeet shooting...great hobby, which is just glorified target practice, in case you need to shoot somebody...

    collecting...sure, collecting guns that are pretty and shiny, so one can be fashionable when shooting someone or something...yippeeeeee....

    again, relax....take you meds...you'll feel better...


    lol
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    jrb112476 wrote:
    sorry, just got a little frustrated....believe me, i would impose SERIOUS requirements for purchasing guns....the way they have it now, anyone can get a gun..at least where i live

    fair enough, my friend...we all get a little pissed off every now and then...

    and see, we agree...I think people should have to jump through hoops of fire to get a gun...perhaps a license procedure...perhaps even mental health checks (I know, a little extreme)...

    I just think we need to treat guns more seriously...that's all...:)
  • jrb112476jrb112476 Posts: 43
    protection against rattlesnakes; mountain lions; coyotes; tweekers that come to areas without police protection to kill and rob for money to buy meth. and generally uphold the law in areas where government does not provide protection.
    come spend some time on the open range in the vast wilderness areas or work a ranch here and you won't be making such iggnorant comments.


    stick these jack asses in a classroom where some dude is lighting them up and let them say they want to outlaw guns
  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    jrb112476 wrote:
    you are one stereotypical jack ass....i have a gun, have i shot anyone? no, would i ever? not unless my life was threatened

    Ignore that kind of ignorance comment, dude ... I am gonna assume it comes from emotionality about the situation ... As opposed to sheer dumbassery.
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    protection against rattlesnakes; mountain lions; coyotes; tweekers that come to areas without police protection to kill and rob for money to buy meth. and generally uphold the law in areas where government does not provide protection.
    come spend some time on the open range in the vast wilderness areas or work a ranch here and you won't be making such iggnorant comments.

    okee dokee, partner...I tweeker huntin' sounds great...

    umm...where did I say I wanted to take guns away...? oh wait, I didn't...you just assumed...
  • jrb112476jrb112476 Posts: 43
    inmytree wrote:
    fair enough, my friend...we all get a little pissed off every now and then...

    and see, we agree...I think people should have to jump through hoops of fire to get a gun...perhaps a license procedure...perhaps even mental health checks (I know, a little extreme)...

    I just think we need to treat guns more seriously...that's all...:)

    i absolutely agree they need to be treated more seriously....i think there needs to be A LOT more gun education too....i dont think someone should be able to just walk in a walmart and walk out with a gun
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    jrb112476 wrote:
    you are one stereotypical jack ass....i have a gun, have i shot anyone? no, would i ever? not unless my life was threatened

    from your reaction on a message board...I have to admit, I'm concerned that you have a gun...
  • jrb112476jrb112476 Posts: 43
    inmytree wrote:
    from your reaction on a message board...I have to admit, I'm concerned that you have a gun...

    dont be, believe me...i just hate people that want to pick and choose constitutional rights
  • burtschipsburtschips Posts: 734
    people should be able to buy a gun if they have a license for its use, can only buy it from a controlled outlet, have somewhere safe to store it, know how to use it, are not allowed to conceal it in public.

    just make it difficult to get them. if someones going to flip out they shouldn't just be able to walk down the highstreet and pick one up. THAT IS NUTS. sure a hunter/sports shooter could flip out too but it they don't seem to do so too often.
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  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    Ignore that kind of ignorance comment, dude ... I am gonna assume it comes from emotionality about the situation ... As opposed to sheer dumbassery.

    don't assume...:)

    listen...all I'm saying is this: make it very very very very very very hard to obtain a gun...when caught with an illegal gun...have very very very very very strong consequences...

    is that bad...?
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    jrb112476 wrote:
    dont be, believe me...i just hate people that want to pick and choose constitutional rights

    I thought "right to bear arms" meant that I could wear short sleeves...

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  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    inmytree wrote:
    from your reaction on a message board...I have to admit, I'm concerned that you have a gun...

    I was thinking the same thing.... who was it that mentioned protection from psychos? :D
  • jrb112476jrb112476 Posts: 43
    inmytree wrote:
    I thought "right to bear arms" meant that I could wear short sleeves...

    http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/mas/lowres/masn26l.jpg


    lol....cops need to start doing their jobs and getting the guns off the streets...thats one major problem we have down here
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