I was simply asking for some other examples for the use of guns...which were invented to kill...so if you can come up with some, great....if not, that's ok too...it just proves my point, which is guns are made for killing...all that other fun stuff, like shooting things out of the air is just a bonus...
I gave you other examples. Putting it the way you did here implies that all that neat carving that knives do is just a bonus, all the nails that hammers install are just a bonus, all the baseballs bats hit are just a bonus, all the typing your fingers do is just a bonus, all the commuting your car does is just a bonus....
I gave you other examples. Putting it the way you did here implies that all that neat carving that knives do is just a bonus, all the nails that hammers install are just a bonus, all the baseballs bats hit are just a bonus, all the typing your fingers do is just a bonus, all the commuting your car does is just a bonus....
yes, the examples you gave were bonuses....
tell me again, what were guns invented for...?
as for fingers...we all know god intended them to be used for picking your nose...
I gave you other examples. Putting it the way you did here implies that all that neat carving that knives do is just a bonus, all the nails that hammers install are just a bonus, all the baseballs bats hit are just a bonus, all the typing your fingers do is just a bonus, all the commuting your car does is just a bonus....
Do you honestly think that the 'creator' of the firearm designed it for clay pigeon shooting? It is an item that was designed to maim and kill (humans or animals). The sporting and gaming aspect of shooting came after. So yes.. these are a 'bonus'. Baseball bats were created to hit balls during a game.. another purpose is bashing someone's head in.. a 'bonus' if you could call it that..
Think of the initial purpose of an object, then any other use that people 'discovered' for it is additional - a bonus.....
For each individual object, I am not saying it is right or wrong to use it differently to its intended purpose.....
Would you care to read this post by hippiemom (in another thread).. it might enlighten you...
"On second thought, I'm not going to wait for you to explain Article V. You can't, because you clearly don't understand it. So how about you try to wrap your genius brain around this:
The Bill of Rights consists of the first ten amendments to the U.S. Constitution. They thus became a part of the Constitution itself, as did all subsequent amendments. The process for amending any part of the Constitution is laid out in Article V. There are two ways that it can be done.
1. Both houses of Congress approve, by a 2/3 majority, a resolution calling for an amendment. The proposed amendment must then be approved by the legislatures of 3/4 of the states.
2. Alternatively, the legislatures of 3/4 of the states vote to call for a convention at which constitutional amendments can be proposed. Any amendments proposed by the convention would then require approval by the legislatures of 3/4 of the states.
Now you explain to me why it is that you think the first ten amendments are somehow immune to this process."
I also seem to remember a Simpsons episode about how these things work... it was perfectly clear to my little daughter at the time... maybe it would be for you too.
let's post the entire article:
Article V
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.
Do you honestly think that the 'creator' of the firearm designed it for clay pigeon shooting? It is an item that was designed to maim and kill (humans or animals). The sporting and gaming aspect of shooting came after. So yes.. these are a 'bonus'. Baseball bats were created to hit balls during a game.. another purpose is bashing someone's head in.. a 'bonus' if you could call it that..
Think of the initial purpose of an object, then any other use that people 'discovered' for it is additional - a bonus.....
For each individual object, I am not saying it is right or wrong to use it differently to its intended purpose.....
What does all this have to do with an object's legal status, though? And for the record, you CAN invent firearms specifically designed for non-human target shooting.
What does all this have to do with an object's legal status, though? And for the record, you CAN invent firearms specifically designed for non-human target shooting.
Nothing.... just stating that there is an initial purpose for designing an object, whatever that object may be. Then people find other uses for it, or change the design to accomodate other uses.
I'm sure you can invent firearms designed for non human target shooting (laser pigeon shooting is one example), but that was most probably not the initial purpose of the firearm..... but then again.. what do I know!
Now you explain to me why it is that you think the first ten amendments are somehow immune to this process."
one of the first 10 ammendments cannot be amended without violating others. for example:
Even if we were to come to the sober conclusion that we would be better off without any guns, we must remember that it will be impossible to remove all of the guns from America without utterly destroying the 4th, 5th and 6th amendments in the process.
Even if we could think of a consitutional way to disarm everybody without leaving the criminals as the only armed people, we cannot simply ignore the 2nd Amendment. It was not lightly made, and it should not be lightly thrown out. Many of our basic liberties include a price in safety. Free speech can be misused to slander and ruin reputations, and it is frustrating that the KKK has the 1st Amendment right to hold rallies and shout hateful things. The 4th, 5th and 6th Amendments can make it difficult to arrest and prosecute criminals. The 8th Amendment may prevent capital punishment in cases where our outrage very strongly demands revenge, so that the one innocent man can have a chance to live and prove his innocence. America is built on the principle that these liberties are worth the risks.
Sorry onelongsong.. I don't need the explanation.. that was Hippiemom's post on the other thread.. might want to respond to her there and debate your views with her there.
Did you know him? No.
Do you know what it's like to be at the receiving end of racial prejudice? No.
Are you in a position to state that there is not, and has never been, any racial prejudice towards Asians in America? No.
At least you're consistent.
The other kids who've committed high school, or college campus massacres have also been those that are at the bottom tier of the clique system on U.S campuses, whether racially, or otherwise. The kids who perpetrated the Columbine massacre were ostracized and marginalized for other reasons. These things are occurring more and more frequently in America. I believe there is something more than just the gun issue behind these things.
This is obviously too difficult for you to understand. Therefore you dismiss it as mere 'America bashing'. This seems to be the common get-out- clause on here for people with nothing constructive to say.
Did you know him? No.
Do you know what it's like to be at the receiving end of racial prejudice? No.
Are you in a position to state that there is not, and has never been, any racial prejudice towards Asians in America? No.
At least you're consistent.
You do an amazing job of reading what isn't there. I didn't know him, hence have made no claim one way or another. I was responding to someone who said he was a victim of racism. Since you seem to be of that conviction, perhaps you can tell us more about this fine young man.
The other kids who've committed high school, or college campus massacres have also been those that are at the bottom tier of the clique system on U.S campuses, whether racially, or otherwise. The kids who perpetrated the Columbine massacre were ostracized and marginalized for other reasons. These things are occurring more and more frequently in America. I believe there is something more than just the gun issue behind these things.
This is obviously too difficult for you to understand. Therefore you dismiss it as mere 'America bashing'. This seems to be the common get-out- clause on here for people with nothing constructive to say.
People in any society are ostracized. Others are ignored. Some rise to the top. Some fly under the radar. Some are wildly successful. Some are horrible failures. Some make hundreds of friends and build a large social network. Others have a few close friends and are content. Others find no commonality with people and retreat into themselves. Welcome to real life. Campus life is an exaggeration of real life, but all of these real life scenarios can be found on every campus. There are hundreds of thousands of loners and losers who don't commit mass killings. Why this guy? Hopefully we can discover root causes. I'd like to understand why he did what he did. But to immediately blame racist America for this asshole's actions is a bit knee-jerk. I know you derive pleasure fixating on America's flaws and pain, but why you keep expecting people to blindly buy into your deep seated prejudices is beyond me.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
protecting us from people like you who feel you have some right to dictate what our rights should be.
guns were invented to protect freedom.
So it's basically "live by the sword, die by the sword" and those 30+ people dying at school are just an unfortunate byproduct of the "freedom" that American guns protect. By your logic, if prostitutes get legalized, I guess it will be dirty twats that defend American freedom. Or maybe if heroin gets legalized, the needle can become the symbol of American freedom along with the twat and gun. It must be tough living in the 21st century when you think it is 1880.
I am all for hunting and sporting rifles being completely legal, but no one has any use for handguns or fucking assault rifles. The thought that people carrying weapons will act as a deterent to potential "bad guys" is laughable. Next time you look in the mirror, remind yourself what century you live in before you open your mouth.
1/12/1879, 4/8/1156, 2/6/1977, who gives a shit, ...
So it's basically "live by the sword, die by the sword" and those 30+ people dying at school are just an unfortunate byproduct of the "freedom" that American guns protect. By your logic, if prostitutes get legalized, I guess it will be dirty twats that defend American freedom. Or maybe if heroin gets legalized, the needle can become the symbol of American freedom along with the twat and gun. It must be tough living in the 21st century when you think it is 1880.
I am all for hunting and sporting rifles being completely legal, but no one has any use for handguns or fucking assault rifles. The thought that people carrying weapons will act as a deterent to potential "bad guys" is laughable. Next time you look in the mirror, remind yourself what century you live in before you open your mouth.
I have known people who hunt wild boar with handguns. I also have known people who compete with pistols. There are other uses for guns if someone is sane. When I was in my college town, the biggest tragedy was a kid running down nine other students in his car. Maybe they should have disallowed cars in the country after that insane fuck decided to selfishly take the lives of other human beings.
I have known people who hunt wild boar with handguns. I also have known people who compete with pistols. There are other uses for guns if someone is sane. When I was in my college town, the biggest tragedy was a kid running down nine other students in his car. Maybe they should have disallowed cars in the country after that insane fuck decided to selfishly take the lives of other human beings.
The problem is that 99% of handgun owners think that they own a gun to protect themselves when they are more often than not putting themselves in more danger than if they didn't own the gun. Most car owners don't think of the car as a means of defence or aggression. Comparing guns to cars is a poor attempt that is regularly used to justify gun ownership.
1/12/1879, 4/8/1156, 2/6/1977, who gives a shit, ...
The problem is that 99% of handgun owners think that they own a gun to protect themselves when they are more often than not putting themselves in more danger than if they didn't own the gun. Most car owners don't think of the car as a means of defence or aggression. Comparing guns to cars is a poor attempt that is regularly used to justify gun ownership.
Are you positive about that 99%? I can say with great certainty that it is much lower than that.
Most car owners see a car as a means of transportation or recreation. Most gun owners see their gun as a tool or a means of recreation as well. The scramble to find someone else to blame for anyone's action is the cause of these emotional outbursts and a great deal of knee-jerk reactions.
one of the first 10 ammendments cannot be amended without violating others. for example:
Even if we were to come to the sober conclusion that we would be better off without any guns, we must remember that it will be impossible to remove all of the guns from America without utterly destroying the 4th, 5th and 6th amendments in the process.
Complete bunk. Explain, for example, how repealing the 2nd amendment would "utterly destroy" our right to a speedy and public trial.
Even if we could think of a consitutional way to disarm everybody without leaving the criminals as the only armed people, we cannot simply ignore the 2nd Amendment. It was not lightly made, and it should not be lightly thrown out. Many of our basic liberties include a price in safety. Free speech can be misused to slander and ruin reputations, and it is frustrating that the KKK has the 1st Amendment right to hold rallies and shout hateful things. The 4th, 5th and 6th Amendments can make it difficult to arrest and prosecute criminals. The 8th Amendment may prevent capital punishment in cases where our outrage very strongly demands revenge, so that the one innocent man can have a chance to live and prove his innocence. America is built on the principle that these liberties are worth the risks.
Oh, by the way ... when you lift something from another source, you're supposed to credit that source. Otherwise it's known as plagiarism.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
they are not allowed to buy guns. they broke the law. if laws had any meaning; there wouldn't be crime. laws only give the government the right to prosecute. they don't stop crime.
They ARE allowed to buy guns. Virginia requires two forms of identification ... the V-Tech shooter used his driver's license and his green card.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
my daughter and 1 other person were the only whites on thier small campus in phoenix. they were the only ones who DIDN'T receive a scholorship of any kind. my daughter was top of her class so grades have nothing to do with it. it's all race.
that being said; i can see why a white person would go off. i did. not with violence but i fought until i couldn't fight anymore.
you just keep getting cooler.
rock star
medical miracle
life-saving gunman
lawyer with impeccable trial lawyer
crusader for white rights on your daughter's behalf
im sick of your laziness dude, why don't you stop dicking around and cure aids already?
The problem is that 99% of handgun owners think that they own a gun to protect themselves when they are more often than not putting themselves in more danger than if they didn't own the gun.
So what of the 800,000 to 2 million who use privately owned firearms to defend themselves from becoming victims of crime every year?
He was a resident alien. His purchases were legal. He produced three forms of ID. VA Drivers License, Check Book, and vaild Green Card.
Yeah. Early today someone said he was a non-resident, and wondered why non-resident aliens were allowed to have firearms. They aren't. But you're right. He was a resident alien and it was perfectly within his rights to purchase and posses firearms.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
So what of the 800,000 to 2 million who use privately owned firearms to defend themselves from becoming victims of crime every year?
any statistic that has a range of 1,200,000 is basically saying "we made this number up and have no fucking clue." they might as well have said "oh yeah, well we had INFINITY lives saved due to guns last year! nya nya nya nya!"
He was clearly breaking the law. But we should enact more laws to make it illegal to violate existing laws.
Um... i think you're wrong. That law states: "It shall be unlawful for any person who is not a citizen of the United States or who is not a person lawfully admitted for permanent residence..."
From what I hear he was a citizen. So he CAN buy a gun (i think) but it is illegal i think everywhere to carry a concealed weapon without a permit.
So I suppose you're kinda correct. while he WAS legal to purchase the gun...but by him carrying it concealed without a permit it was illegal.
sorry for repeating, I see this was discussed a little further up.
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Do you honestly think that the 'creator' of the firearm designed it for clay pigeon shooting? It is an item that was designed to maim and kill (humans or animals). The sporting and gaming aspect of shooting came after. So yes.. these are a 'bonus'. Baseball bats were created to hit balls during a game.. another purpose is bashing someone's head in.. a 'bonus' if you could call it that..
Think of the initial purpose of an object, then any other use that people 'discovered' for it is additional - a bonus.....
For each individual object, I am not saying it is right or wrong to use it differently to its intended purpose.....
whoa whoa... the spear was invented to kill... when was the last time you've seen a news report on someone getting killed by a spear? This whole gun thing is just a fad, give a few centuries and a new invention and this whole "gun" thing will take care of itself.
(joke)
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any statistic that has a range of 1,200,000 is basically saying "we made this number up and have no fucking clue." they might as well have said "oh yeah, well we had INFINITY lives saved due to guns last year! nya nya nya nya!"
Nope. 800,000 is the figure estimated by anti-gun researchers. I think the 2.5 million was the figure put out by pro-gun researchers.
rock star
medical miracle
life-saving gunman
lawyer with impeccable trial lawyer
crusader for white rights on your daughter's behalf
im sick of your laziness dude, why don't you stop dicking around and cure aids already?
thats fucking funny... have a gold star Soul
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
no they werent.. they were invented by a courtier of a French King who wanted the gun to be able to subjugate his subjects
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
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I gave you other examples. Putting it the way you did here implies that all that neat carving that knives do is just a bonus, all the nails that hammers install are just a bonus, all the baseballs bats hit are just a bonus, all the typing your fingers do is just a bonus, all the commuting your car does is just a bonus....
yes, the examples you gave were bonuses....
tell me again, what were guns invented for...?
as for fingers...we all know god intended them to be used for picking your nose...
Do you honestly think that the 'creator' of the firearm designed it for clay pigeon shooting? It is an item that was designed to maim and kill (humans or animals). The sporting and gaming aspect of shooting came after. So yes.. these are a 'bonus'. Baseball bats were created to hit balls during a game.. another purpose is bashing someone's head in.. a 'bonus' if you could call it that..
Think of the initial purpose of an object, then any other use that people 'discovered' for it is additional - a bonus.....
For each individual object, I am not saying it is right or wrong to use it differently to its intended purpose.....
let's post the entire article:
Article V
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.
protecting us from people like you who feel you have some right to dictate what our rights should be.
guns were invented to protect freedom.
What does all this have to do with an object's legal status, though? And for the record, you CAN invent firearms specifically designed for non-human target shooting.
Nothing.... just stating that there is an initial purpose for designing an object, whatever that object may be. Then people find other uses for it, or change the design to accomodate other uses.
I'm sure you can invent firearms designed for non human target shooting (laser pigeon shooting is one example), but that was most probably not the initial purpose of the firearm..... but then again.. what do I know!
one of the first 10 ammendments cannot be amended without violating others. for example:
Even if we were to come to the sober conclusion that we would be better off without any guns, we must remember that it will be impossible to remove all of the guns from America without utterly destroying the 4th, 5th and 6th amendments in the process.
Even if we could think of a consitutional way to disarm everybody without leaving the criminals as the only armed people, we cannot simply ignore the 2nd Amendment. It was not lightly made, and it should not be lightly thrown out. Many of our basic liberties include a price in safety. Free speech can be misused to slander and ruin reputations, and it is frustrating that the KKK has the 1st Amendment right to hold rallies and shout hateful things. The 4th, 5th and 6th Amendments can make it difficult to arrest and prosecute criminals. The 8th Amendment may prevent capital punishment in cases where our outrage very strongly demands revenge, so that the one innocent man can have a chance to live and prove his innocence. America is built on the principle that these liberties are worth the risks.
um, are you saying you want to shoot me...?
And you know this as a fact don't you? Are you Asian? No. Have you met with every Asian student in America? No.
Just more flatulence.
Did you know him? No.
Do you know what it's like to be at the receiving end of racial prejudice? No.
Are you in a position to state that there is not, and has never been, any racial prejudice towards Asians in America? No.
At least you're consistent.
The other kids who've committed high school, or college campus massacres have also been those that are at the bottom tier of the clique system on U.S campuses, whether racially, or otherwise. The kids who perpetrated the Columbine massacre were ostracized and marginalized for other reasons. These things are occurring more and more frequently in America. I believe there is something more than just the gun issue behind these things.
This is obviously too difficult for you to understand. Therefore you dismiss it as mere 'America bashing'. This seems to be the common get-out- clause on here for people with nothing constructive to say.
You do an amazing job of reading what isn't there. I didn't know him, hence have made no claim one way or another. I was responding to someone who said he was a victim of racism. Since you seem to be of that conviction, perhaps you can tell us more about this fine young man.
People in any society are ostracized. Others are ignored. Some rise to the top. Some fly under the radar. Some are wildly successful. Some are horrible failures. Some make hundreds of friends and build a large social network. Others have a few close friends and are content. Others find no commonality with people and retreat into themselves. Welcome to real life. Campus life is an exaggeration of real life, but all of these real life scenarios can be found on every campus. There are hundreds of thousands of loners and losers who don't commit mass killings. Why this guy? Hopefully we can discover root causes. I'd like to understand why he did what he did. But to immediately blame racist America for this asshole's actions is a bit knee-jerk. I know you derive pleasure fixating on America's flaws and pain, but why you keep expecting people to blindly buy into your deep seated prejudices is beyond me.
So it's basically "live by the sword, die by the sword" and those 30+ people dying at school are just an unfortunate byproduct of the "freedom" that American guns protect. By your logic, if prostitutes get legalized, I guess it will be dirty twats that defend American freedom. Or maybe if heroin gets legalized, the needle can become the symbol of American freedom along with the twat and gun. It must be tough living in the 21st century when you think it is 1880.
I am all for hunting and sporting rifles being completely legal, but no one has any use for handguns or fucking assault rifles. The thought that people carrying weapons will act as a deterent to potential "bad guys" is laughable. Next time you look in the mirror, remind yourself what century you live in before you open your mouth.
I have known people who hunt wild boar with handguns. I also have known people who compete with pistols. There are other uses for guns if someone is sane. When I was in my college town, the biggest tragedy was a kid running down nine other students in his car. Maybe they should have disallowed cars in the country after that insane fuck decided to selfishly take the lives of other human beings.
The problem is that 99% of handgun owners think that they own a gun to protect themselves when they are more often than not putting themselves in more danger than if they didn't own the gun. Most car owners don't think of the car as a means of defence or aggression. Comparing guns to cars is a poor attempt that is regularly used to justify gun ownership.
Are you positive about that 99%? I can say with great certainty that it is much lower than that.
Most car owners see a car as a means of transportation or recreation. Most gun owners see their gun as a tool or a means of recreation as well. The scramble to find someone else to blame for anyone's action is the cause of these emotional outbursts and a great deal of knee-jerk reactions.
Oh, by the way ... when you lift something from another source, you're supposed to credit that source. Otherwise it's known as plagiarism.
you just keep getting cooler.
rock star
medical miracle
life-saving gunman
lawyer with impeccable trial lawyer
crusader for white rights on your daughter's behalf
im sick of your laziness dude, why don't you stop dicking around and cure aids already?
He was a resident alien. His purchases were legal. He produced three forms of ID. VA Drivers License, Check Book, and vaild Green Card.
So what of the 800,000 to 2 million who use privately owned firearms to defend themselves from becoming victims of crime every year?
Yeah. Early today someone said he was a non-resident, and wondered why non-resident aliens were allowed to have firearms. They aren't. But you're right. He was a resident alien and it was perfectly within his rights to purchase and posses firearms.
any statistic that has a range of 1,200,000 is basically saying "we made this number up and have no fucking clue." they might as well have said "oh yeah, well we had INFINITY lives saved due to guns last year! nya nya nya nya!"
Um... i think you're wrong. That law states: "It shall be unlawful for any person who is not a citizen of the United States or who is not a person lawfully admitted for permanent residence..."
From what I hear he was a citizen. So he CAN buy a gun (i think) but it is illegal i think everywhere to carry a concealed weapon without a permit.
So I suppose you're kinda correct. while he WAS legal to purchase the gun...but by him carrying it concealed without a permit it was illegal.
sorry for repeating, I see this was discussed a little further up.
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whoa whoa... the spear was invented to kill... when was the last time you've seen a news report on someone getting killed by a spear? This whole gun thing is just a fad, give a few centuries and a new invention and this whole "gun" thing will take care of itself.
(joke)
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Nope. 800,000 is the figure estimated by anti-gun researchers. I think the 2.5 million was the figure put out by pro-gun researchers.
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thats fucking funny... have a gold star Soul
no they werent.. they were invented by a courtier of a French King who wanted the gun to be able to subjugate his subjects