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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    onelongsong wrote:
    isn't glock a german gun?????

    okay everyone gets a Smith and Wesson.... (-:
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    dunkman wrote:
    yeah we invented death by morons :)
    evolution baby.......your just helping it along a bit....thanks.
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  • nick1977
    nick1977 Posts: 327
    Why do people get all worked up over restricting the type of weapon a person may own. Who needs a semi-automatic assault rifle? We are not talking about restricting ownership of hunting weapons.


    There has to be some limit to the right to bear arms. For example, according the the NRA logic....I could own a fucking tank if I wanted to because it is my right to bear arms: http://www.haaland.info/norway/tank/bilder/leopard2.jpg

    The question is where to draw the line.
  • fanch75
    fanch75 Posts: 3,734
    callen wrote:
    evolution baby.......your just helping it along a bit....thanks.

    i am thinking that you're not referring to today's events as "evolution"?
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  • negationist
    negationist Posts: 237
    "I'm sure of someone comes over and goes boom, ratatatatat, bang, boom, you'd have to be pretty dodgy on the heart to die. So i think the gun helps!!"

    To quote comedic genius Eddie Izzard.
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  • desandrews
    desandrews Posts: 143
    dunkman wrote:
    yeah we invented death by morons :)

    Careful there. In your appreciated attempt to remain light-hearted about this issue you almost placed some blame on people i.e. morons rather than the guns themselves.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Bottom line...
    We're gonna haer the pundits and 'experts' yammer on and on about Gun Control/Second amendment... blah-blah-blah...
    ...
    Then, it will go away and we'll forget about it and nothing will get done... til the next nut pops off and shoots up the place.
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  • Reynaldo6
    Reynaldo6 Posts: 80
    Cosmo wrote:
    Bottom line...
    We're gonna haer the pundits and 'experts' yammer on and on about Gun Control/Second amendment... blah-blah-blah...
    ...
    Then, it will go away and we'll forget about it and nothing will get done... til the next nut pops off and shoots up the place.
    as hard as that is to swallow that is true and it will always be that way.
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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    nick1977 wrote:
    Why do people get all worked up over restricting the type of weapon a person may own. Who needs a semi-automatic assault rifle? We are not talking about restricting ownership of hunting weapons.


    There has to be some limit to the right to bear arms. For example, according the the NRA logic....I could own a fucking tank if I wanted to because it is my right to bear arms: http://www.haaland.info/norway/tank/bilder/leopard2.jpg

    The question is where to draw the line.

    You can't afford a tank. So I guess that problem is solved.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    farfromglorified wrote:
    You can't afford a tank. So I guess that problem is solved.

    how much are they? im going to be pulling in some serious money before long... and if i show up to negotiations in an M-1 it will certainly show them i dont fuck around.
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Cosmo wrote:
    Bottom line...
    We're gonna haer the pundits and 'experts' yammer on and on about Gun Control/Second amendment... blah-blah-blah...
    ...
    Then, it will go away and we'll forget about it and nothing will get done... til the next nut pops off and shoots up the place.

    actually; as long as the us has the constitution; it's citizens will always own guns. and removing the constitution will take a full scale war. so the debate is moot.

    btw; it is legal to own a tank.
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    soulsinging wrote:
    how much are they? im going to be pulling in some serious money before long... and if i show up to negotiations in an M-1 it will certainly show them i dont fuck around.

    check out the surplus auctions. i found one sitting in front of a VFW lodge in phoenix. you can also try the shot-gun news.
  • 69charger
    69charger Posts: 1,045
    nick1977 wrote:
    Why do people get all worked up over restricting the type of weapon a person may own. Who needs a semi-automatic assault rifle? We are not talking about restricting ownership of hunting weapons.


    There has to be some limit to the right to bear arms. For example, according the the NRA logic....I could own a fucking tank if I wanted to because it is my right to bear arms: http://www.haaland.info/norway/tank/bilder/leopard2.jpg

    The question is where to draw the line.

    The line is found in the previous writings of our founding fathers. They clearly intended it to mean small arms, arms you can 'bear'.
  • 69charger
    69charger Posts: 1,045
    soulsinging wrote:
    how much are they? im going to be pulling in some serious money before long... and if i show up to negotiations in an M-1 it will certainly show them i dont fuck around.

    $2,350,000-4,300,000 per unit, depending on the variant.
  • 69charger
    69charger Posts: 1,045
    dunkman wrote:
    its not like saying that at all.. poor analogy... thats a preventative measure..

    Sprinklers in ceilings only go off if there is already a fire then they act to put it out. Why wait for the fire department to get there when you can put it out before it gets out of control?

    Analogy fits perfectly. Sorry!
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    onelongsong wrote:
    actually; as long as the us has the constitution; it's citizens will always own guns. and removing the constitution will take a full scale war. so the debate is moot.

    btw; it is legal to own a tank.
    ...
    Who is talking about 'Removing the Constitution'? You are... no one else.
    ...
    And Read the Second Amendment:
    "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
    ...
    It is vague... which is the beauty of the Constitution. It is not a directive or a dictate... but, a RIGHT.
    "A Well-Regulated Militia"... is that the Branches of our Armed Forces some dude and his drinkin' buddies hold up in a compound with a stockpile of weapons?
    "... the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Is that all citizens or the Citizen Army (Militia) needed to defend itself against the Armies of England, Spain and France... or some guy looking to shoot his girlfriend in the face for banging a bartender?
    ...
    Also... what Tanks were available for sale in 1776?
    ...
    I'm not against the Second Amendment. I favor an Army made up of American Citizens, rather than seeking my protection behind a Foriegn Army.
    As for Joe on the Streets of Los Angeles... No... i DON'T want every Joe on the street to be armed. There are a lot of assholes and fools out there and I like it that not all of them have guns. I know there are a lot of responsible americans that own guns... no problem. I also know there are a lot of dickhead Americans that have no business carrying a gun. Doubt me? Go down to your local DMV, have a look around and get back to me.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    good argument against gun control... lol

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MmhPF9cDBc
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  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    It is vague... which is the beauty of the Constitution. It is not a directive or a dictate... but, a RIGHT.
    "A Well-Regulated Militia"... is that the Branches of our Armed Forces some dude and his drinkin' buddies hold up in a compound with a stockpile of weapons?
    "... the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Is that all citizens or the Citizen Army (Militia) needed to defend itself against the Armies of England, Spain and France... or some guy looking to shoot his girlfriend in the face for banging a bartender?
    ...

    It really isn't vague if you go back and read the writings and debates of the founders. In fact, most courts have upheld the notion that it is an individual right.
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  • Songburst
    Songburst Posts: 1,195
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    good argument against gun control... lol

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MmhPF9cDBc

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    And for those defending the second amendment: get a fucking life. This is 2007 and there is no need to sell handguns or assault rifles anymore. I guarantee you that the guy who shot up the school could not have done so if people didn't readily sell handguns. I doubt that he would have gotten very far if he tried to walk towards the school with a hunting rifle. Fucking stupid rednecks married to their "right to bear arms". So uncivilized.
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  • ajedigecko
    ajedigecko \m/deplorable af \m/ Posts: 2,431
    we lose many innocent people each day from "whackos" who just hop in their auto and take off and cause an accident that ends anothers life. until we get control of this needless loss of innocent life, guns will never cease to exsist.

    i once did a paper on the topic of gun control and my thesis was....

    Why do we need cars that go faster than the highest posted speed limit? The argument at the time was "high capacity magazines" so i raised the question and made the point using cars.
    live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.

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