Sprinklers in ceilings only go off if there is already a fire then they act to put it out. Why wait for the fire department to get there when you can put it out before it gets out of control?
Analogy fits perfectly. Sorry!
Oh ffs...
A sprinkler system can not then fall into the wrong hands and be used for the very purpose it was designed to prevent, absolute stupidity... :rolleyes:
Astoria Crew
Troubled souls unite, we got ourselves tonight...
Astoria, Dublin, Reading 06
Katowice, Wembley 07
SBE, Manchester, O2 09
Hyde Park 10
Manchester 1&2 12
This is just g'bye for now...
I'm no fan of guns. personally I hate them. but there is a need for them. for protection.
Sorry for the go off.
Anyway, this is what I was getting at. Protection from? Another with a gun? If somebody dosen't have access to a gun. When they break into your house it is either man vs man or a weapon that they have to get close to you to use against whatever you have. I have noticed that people aren't quite as tough or loud when they don't have a gun at their disposal.
And yes I know you can't get rid of all the guns. Thanks.
All I see is another gun debate after yet another massacre in the US... people clamoring for their constitutional right to bear arms, saying that guns don't kill... this debate will go in circles and die down like all the others... until the next shooting..... with guns that are readily available and not deemed dangerous and deadly weapons...
Cars kill a lot of people too. More than guns. Should we ban those too or is it not PC to ban cars like it would be guns?
The UK doesn't have the 2nd amendment...wonder why this article was written?
We in Australia had a massive gun buyback scheme 10 years ago. No, the gun ownership here at the time doesn't in anyway match the numbers in America, but hey, we did it here. It's a matter of political will.
As I've pointed out in another thread, it was quite successful, too.
Cars were designed specifically to kill people? hmm... and here I thought they were used for transportation :rolleyes:
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Cars kill a lot of people too. More than guns. Should we ban those too or is it not PC to ban cars like it would be guns?
There we go... the car analogy again.... once again, can we reiterate that cars are made to transport people from one place to another.. that is their prime purpose.... guns are made to maim and kill.. that is their prime purpose... So let's stop these stupid comparisons....
As I said.. going around in circles, same old, tired arguments...etc... :rolleyes:
There we go... the car analogy again.... once again, can we reiterate that cars are made to transport people from one place to another.. that is their prime purpose.... guns are made to maim and kill.. that is their prime purpose... So let's stop these stupid comparisons....
As I said.. going around in circles, same old, tired arguments...etc... :rolleyes:
I take solace in the fact that a large number of gun owners use them to take their own lives (suicide). Evolution at it's finest...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I take solace in the fact that a large number of gun owners use them to take their own lives (suicide). Evolution at it's finest...
As someone who has had a family member commit suicide with a gun due to a shitty home life, I say go fuck yourself and your solace.
He would have done it with or without a gun. I would expect something more than off the cuff comments like that on this message board.
And you may see me today
with an illegal smile
it don't cost very much
but it lasts a long while
won't you please tell the man
i didn't kill anyone
i'm just tryin to have me some fun
Cars kill a lot of people too. More than guns. Should we ban those too or is it not PC to ban cars like it would be guns?
wow.. it appears ostriches can type with their heads in the sand... :cool:
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
I take solace in the fact that a large number of gun owners use them to take their own lives (suicide). Evolution at it's finest...
Humor's humor (even if it's a bad attempt), but if you are being serious that you find pleasure in people taking their own lives merely because they own a gun and you disagree with gun rights, this shows what a sick, SICK individual you are. I won't say anything what else I think of you because it would get me banned.
If your political ideology fills you with that much anger and hatred, please get help.
And no I'm not a gun owner, nor have I ever shot one in my life. This has nothing to do with me. The above is just the rantings of someone with a mental illness.
I didn't read the thread at all, but something has got to change. We can't have people keep doing this stuff.
I'm usually against the government legislating our lives and freedoms, but I'm not so sure that it's not time to ban handguns and automatic weapons.
I've never thought they should be banned before, but I've NEVER bought the whole "right to bear arms" argument as it is meaningless to own guns when the military has bombs, missiles and nuclear weapons.
I can also see some merit in the argument for letting more people carry concealed (or not conceales weapons), but I'm worried that might make it even easir for things like this to happen.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Hey dunk, I just want to say that I appreciate yours and others input on this matter and you and other make some excellent points on the matter always. We deal with a lot of complex subjects on this board and even though I may not totally agree I understand that we all come from very different experiences and backgrounds etc so I appreciate your making me think.
My Girlfriend said to me..."How many guitars do you need?" and I replied...."How many pairs of shoes do you need?" She got really quiet.
Anyway, this is what I was getting at. Protection from? Another with a gun? If somebody dosen't have access to a gun. When they break into your house it is either man vs man or a weapon that they have to get close to you to use against whatever you have. I have noticed that people aren't quite as tough or loud when they don't have a gun at their disposal.
And yes I know you can't get rid of all the guns. Thanks.
so if you know you cant get rid of all guns, why ban them for all law abiding people? what about police? government? are they allowed to have guns and not the people? thats scary dont ya think
I didn't read the thread at all, but something has got to change. We can't have people keep doing this stuff.
I'm usually against the government legislating our lives and freedoms, but I'm not so sure that it's not time to ban handguns and automatic weapons.
I've never thought they should be banned before, but I've NEVER bought the whole "right to bear arms" argument as it is meaningless to own guns when the military has bombs, missiles and nuclear weapons.
I can also see some merit in the argument for letting more people carry concealed (or not conceales weapons), but I'm worried that might make it even easir for things like this to happen.
Why do you think banning guns will prevent these actions? Guns were already banned where these actions happened.
I don't think the shootings in Educational facilities have anything to do with the gun controls or lack of them. I am not "pro gun". People have been shooting people for forever. I believe our society has way to much pressure and we are way to stressed. People are losing it at record rate. People are striving to be perfect in everyway. You have to have the big house, the big car, all of the toys. You have to have a girlfriend, boyfriend. You must make this much money. You must be smart. etc. etc.
Life is very hard and we need to ease up. Don't be so hard on each other. Be kind.
Peace,
Peace,
________________________
Too many shows but never enough!
These guys are the fruit of the earth...
Hey dunk, I just want to say that I appreciate yours and others input on this matter and you and other make some excellent points on the matter always. We deal with a lot of complex subjects on this board and even though I may not totally agree I understand that we all come from very different experiences and backgrounds etc so I appreciate your making me think.
cheers man..
i've always loved your signature
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
I didn't read the thread at all, but something has got to change. We can't have people keep doing this stuff.
I'm usually against the government legislating our lives and freedoms, but I'm not so sure that it's not time to ban handguns and automatic weapons.
I've never thought they should be banned before, but I've NEVER bought the whole "right to bear arms" argument as it is meaningless to own guns when the military has bombs, missiles and nuclear weapons.
I can also see some merit in the argument for letting more people carry concealed (or not conceales weapons), but I'm worried that might make it even easir for things like this to happen.
I remember watching Bowling for Columbine at a premier in London where Michael Moore was present, and he gave an hour long question and answer session after the movie. I was too hungover and nervous at the time to ask a question, despite the fact that he was standing directly in front of me as I was in the front row. Afterwards I racked my brains about what question I should have put to him. After thinking about the movie I came to the conclusion that there is more to this whole issue than guns alone. The two fella's who committed the massacre at Columbine were part of some sort of clique, which it seems is a big thing in America. People who don't quite live up to the mantle of Jock-dom are relegated to some sort of lesser level of clique at school, and subjected to a lot of abuse, whether directly, or indirectly.
What is it with this tier system of acceptability and cliquiness at U.S high schools? And what sort of pressures are people placed under at these schools? From what limited knowledge I have of American high schools from what I've seen on t.v they look nightmarish. Is it something in the way people are forced to behave, or expected to behave, and the pressures to succeed at these places that play a part in the fact that some people end up cracking and pick up guns?
I'd appreciate any Americans here helping me out on this one.
so if you know you cant get rid of all guns, why ban them for all law abiding people? what about police? government? are they allowed to have guns and not the people? thats scary dont ya think
Well we could point to the bobbies in England and guns to keep the debate going. But that would put a spin on the fact you don't need a gun to police.
I believe in nobody needs a gun. The fact that they are already producing them and selling them and now to ban them is as good as an arguement as ciggies give you cancer but they sure aren't going to stop selling them anytime soon. We know what the problem is and we won't do anything about it. The day I read on this forum that people from the States who post actually sleep with a gun near by. Speaks volumes about guns and specific societies.
I don't think the shootings in Educational facilities have anything to do with the gun controls or lack of them. I am not "pro gun". People have been shooting people for forever. I believe our society has way to much pressure and we are way to stressed. People are losing it at record rate. People are striving to be perfect in everyway. You have to have the big house, the big car, all of the toys. You have to have a girlfriend, boyfriend. You must make this much money. You must be smart. etc. etc.
Life is very hard and we need to ease up. Don't be so hard on each other. Be kind.
Peace,
This is the wisest post I've seen on this topic from either side. Well done.
As someone who has had a family member commit suicide with a gun due to a shitty home life, I say go fuck yourself and your solace.
He would have done it with or without a gun. I would expect something more than off the cuff comments like that on this message board.
You are implying an unknown as reality. Lots of people make rash decisions and often regret them later.
Why make it easier? I have 2 friends that committed suicide. One with a gascan and a match in an elevator in my building, and one by jumping from the hospital roof while being treated for depression. Unfortunately evolution isn't kind or discerning.
I'm not sure what your point is other than to express anger.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I don't think the shootings in Educational facilities have anything to do with the gun controls or lack of them. I am not "pro gun". People have been shooting people for forever. I believe our society has way to much pressure and we are way to stressed. People are losing it at record rate. People are striving to be perfect in everyway. You have to have the big house, the big car, all of the toys. You have to have a girlfriend, boyfriend. You must make this much money. You must be smart. etc. etc.
Life is very hard and we need to ease up. Don't be so hard on each other. Be kind.
Peace,
I think this post answers some of the points in my last post on this subject.
Why do you think banning guns will prevent these actions? Guns were already banned where these actions happened.
I don't think that. I'm WONDERING what will stop them. They are far too frequent these days and SOMETHING needs to be done. I'm open to suggestions - including making the gun laws tougher - if that's what it takes.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Humor's humor (even if it's a bad attempt), but if you are being serious that you find pleasure in people taking their own lives merely because they own a gun and you disagree with gun rights, this shows what a sick, SICK individual you are. I won't say anything what else I think of you because it would get me banned.
If your political ideology fills you with that much anger and hatred, please get help.
And no I'm not a gun owner, nor have I ever shot one in my life. This has nothing to do with me. The above is just the rantings of someone with a mental illness.
There's no point in owning a gun. There really isn't. Nothing positive comes from it. Understand that much if anything.
Live and die by the sword so they say...
If you were a terrorist building bombs all day and one day you made a mistake and went poof...well that's evolution my friend.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I remember watching Bowling for Columbine at a premier in London where Michael Moore was present, and he gave an hour long question and answer session after the movie. I was too hungover and nervous at the time to ask a question, despite the fact that he was standing directly in front of me as I was in the front row. Afterwards I racked my brains about what question I should have put to him. After thinking about the movie I came to the conclusion that there is more to this whole issue than guns alone. The two fella's who committed the massacre at Columbine were part of some sort of clique, which it seems is a big thing in America. People who don't quite live up to the mantle of Jock-dom are relegated to some sort of lesser level of clique at school, and subjected to a lot of abuse, whether directly, or indirectly.
What is it with this tier system of acceptability and cliquiness at U.S high schools? And what sort of pressures are people placed under at these schools? From what limited knowledge I have of American high schools from what I've seen on t.v they look nightmarish. Is it something in the way people are forced to behave, or expected to behave, and the pressures to succeed at these places that play a part in the fact that some people end up cracking and pick up guns?
I'd appreciate any Americans here helping me out on this one.
It's not just high schools, though. What about the guy in the mall a little while ago? This accident happened at a college. It's definitely not solely a school issue, although there is some ties to that.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
There's no point in owning a gun. There really isn't. Nothing positive comes from it. Understand that much if anything.
Live and die by the sword so they say...
If you were a terrorist building bombs all day and one day you made a mistake and went poof...well that's evolution my friend.
False. There have been many positive experiences that have come by me owning a gun. Such as going out and shooting clay pigeons with my grandfather...........Going hunting with my friends.............Target shooting competitions..............All very positive.
False. There have been many positive experiences that have come by me owning a gun. ..........Going hunting with my friends..............All very positive.
Killing animals? For sport? Defenseless animals? Very positive and fulfilling....
You are implying an unknown as reality. Lots of people make rash decisions and often regret them later.
Why make it easier? I have 2 friends that committed suicide. One with a gascan and a match in an elevator in my building, and one by jumping from the hospital roof while being treated for depression. Unfortunately evolution isn't kind or discerning.
I'm not sure what your point is other than to express anger.
It's not unknown or an implication after as a family we read his note.
I also don't see the correlation to evolution. Evolution involves growth or production. If you are talking about natural selection perhaps you are right.
You're damn right it's anger, anger at callous remarks as if suicide is something to joke about.
And you may see me today
with an illegal smile
it don't cost very much
but it lasts a long while
won't you please tell the man
i didn't kill anyone
i'm just tryin to have me some fun
I don't think that. I'm WONDERING what will stop them. They are far too frequent these days and SOMETHING needs to be done. I'm open to suggestions - including making the gun laws tougher - if that's what it takes.
Being better people will stop them. Making better choices will stop them.
I don't see tougher gun laws accomplishing anything. They don't. Shit, we've banned murder. We have the toughest murder laws around. That doesn't stop this either.
Comments
Oh ffs...
A sprinkler system can not then fall into the wrong hands and be used for the very purpose it was designed to prevent, absolute stupidity... :rolleyes:
Troubled souls unite, we got ourselves tonight...
Astoria, Dublin, Reading 06
Katowice, Wembley 07
SBE, Manchester, O2 09
Hyde Park 10
Manchester 1&2 12
This is just g'bye for now...
Sorry for the go off.
Anyway, this is what I was getting at. Protection from? Another with a gun? If somebody dosen't have access to a gun. When they break into your house it is either man vs man or a weapon that they have to get close to you to use against whatever you have. I have noticed that people aren't quite as tough or loud when they don't have a gun at their disposal.
And yes I know you can't get rid of all the guns. Thanks.
Cars kill a lot of people too. More than guns. Should we ban those too or is it not PC to ban cars like it would be guns?
The UK doesn't have the 2nd amendment...wonder why this article was written?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2640817.stm
we are a country founded on paranoia.
Cars were designed specifically to kill people? hmm... and here I thought they were used for transportation :rolleyes:
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
(")_(")
As I said.. going around in circles, same old, tired arguments...etc... :rolleyes:
I take solace in the fact that a large number of gun owners use them to take their own lives (suicide). Evolution at it's finest...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
As someone who has had a family member commit suicide with a gun due to a shitty home life, I say go fuck yourself and your solace.
He would have done it with or without a gun. I would expect something more than off the cuff comments like that on this message board.
with an illegal smile
it don't cost very much
but it lasts a long while
won't you please tell the man
i didn't kill anyone
i'm just tryin to have me some fun
wow.. it appears ostriches can type with their heads in the sand... :cool:
Humor's humor (even if it's a bad attempt), but if you are being serious that you find pleasure in people taking their own lives merely because they own a gun and you disagree with gun rights, this shows what a sick, SICK individual you are. I won't say anything what else I think of you because it would get me banned.
If your political ideology fills you with that much anger and hatred, please get help.
And no I'm not a gun owner, nor have I ever shot one in my life. This has nothing to do with me. The above is just the rantings of someone with a mental illness.
I'm usually against the government legislating our lives and freedoms, but I'm not so sure that it's not time to ban handguns and automatic weapons.
I've never thought they should be banned before, but I've NEVER bought the whole "right to bear arms" argument as it is meaningless to own guns when the military has bombs, missiles and nuclear weapons.
I can also see some merit in the argument for letting more people carry concealed (or not conceales weapons), but I'm worried that might make it even easir for things like this to happen.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
so if you know you cant get rid of all guns, why ban them for all law abiding people? what about police? government? are they allowed to have guns and not the people? thats scary dont ya think
Why do you think banning guns will prevent these actions? Guns were already banned where these actions happened.
Life is very hard and we need to ease up. Don't be so hard on each other. Be kind.
Peace,
________________________
Too many shows but never enough!
These guys are the fruit of the earth...
cheers man..
i've always loved your signature
I remember watching Bowling for Columbine at a premier in London where Michael Moore was present, and he gave an hour long question and answer session after the movie. I was too hungover and nervous at the time to ask a question, despite the fact that he was standing directly in front of me as I was in the front row. Afterwards I racked my brains about what question I should have put to him. After thinking about the movie I came to the conclusion that there is more to this whole issue than guns alone. The two fella's who committed the massacre at Columbine were part of some sort of clique, which it seems is a big thing in America. People who don't quite live up to the mantle of Jock-dom are relegated to some sort of lesser level of clique at school, and subjected to a lot of abuse, whether directly, or indirectly.
What is it with this tier system of acceptability and cliquiness at U.S high schools? And what sort of pressures are people placed under at these schools? From what limited knowledge I have of American high schools from what I've seen on t.v they look nightmarish. Is it something in the way people are forced to behave, or expected to behave, and the pressures to succeed at these places that play a part in the fact that some people end up cracking and pick up guns?
I'd appreciate any Americans here helping me out on this one.
Well we could point to the bobbies in England and guns to keep the debate going. But that would put a spin on the fact you don't need a gun to police.
I believe in nobody needs a gun. The fact that they are already producing them and selling them and now to ban them is as good as an arguement as ciggies give you cancer but they sure aren't going to stop selling them anytime soon. We know what the problem is and we won't do anything about it. The day I read on this forum that people from the States who post actually sleep with a gun near by. Speaks volumes about guns and specific societies.
This is the wisest post I've seen on this topic from either side. Well done.
You are implying an unknown as reality. Lots of people make rash decisions and often regret them later.
Why make it easier? I have 2 friends that committed suicide. One with a gascan and a match in an elevator in my building, and one by jumping from the hospital roof while being treated for depression. Unfortunately evolution isn't kind or discerning.
I'm not sure what your point is other than to express anger.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
I think this post answers some of the points in my last post on this subject.
I don't think that. I'm WONDERING what will stop them. They are far too frequent these days and SOMETHING needs to be done. I'm open to suggestions - including making the gun laws tougher - if that's what it takes.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
There's no point in owning a gun. There really isn't. Nothing positive comes from it. Understand that much if anything.
Live and die by the sword so they say...
If you were a terrorist building bombs all day and one day you made a mistake and went poof...well that's evolution my friend.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
It's not just high schools, though. What about the guy in the mall a little while ago? This accident happened at a college. It's definitely not solely a school issue, although there is some ties to that.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
It's not unknown or an implication after as a family we read his note.
I also don't see the correlation to evolution. Evolution involves growth or production. If you are talking about natural selection perhaps you are right.
You're damn right it's anger, anger at callous remarks as if suicide is something to joke about.
with an illegal smile
it don't cost very much
but it lasts a long while
won't you please tell the man
i didn't kill anyone
i'm just tryin to have me some fun
Being better people will stop them. Making better choices will stop them.
I don't see tougher gun laws accomplishing anything. They don't. Shit, we've banned murder. We have the toughest murder laws around. That doesn't stop this either.