Gun Debate

PJPOWER

dunkman wrote:

yep.. and per capita you have 10 times more crime and murder in that one state... nice

That's sad. I personally believe there are many more deep seeded problems in the US....................Those deficits in our society are much more to blame than the guns people own. Guns wouldn't even be an issue if this weren't the case.

polaris

reborncareerist wrote:

Also an interesting example of laws or regulations failing to prevent a tregedy ...

Just thought I'd throw that in there, dunkman.

it is mere speculation ... who is to say this law didn't prevent more instances ... it's all anyone can do ...

i suspect people with their own internal agendas will play this out to their biases ... that's life i guess ...

rebornFixer

Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:

You got one dude who kills 32 people. If one of those 32 people had a gun, he couldve been stopped. Sure he couldve. But imagine the number of guns that would be on campuses. I'm thinking there would be more than 32 gun related deaths if guns were allowed on campuses. Between the drinking, the fighting between roommates, the pressure...i dont think its a good idea.


And this is from one extreme to the other. No guns to everyone needs one.

Should we start giving them to high school students also because of columbine?

Fuck no. Not at all. I support reasonable gun laws, and one reasonable gun law is banning weapons from campus (although perhaps security needs to be beefed up a bit).
What I want people to concede is that homicides have a great many causes, well beyond the realm of what weapons are available. I'd also like people to concede that gun laws do not guarantee peoples' safety. Why the flipping holy fuck can't some government funding be put towards mental health programs? Early detection of homicidal individuals? Bullying prevention programs? Social programs to rectify core causes of crime like poverty and discrimination? Why do people have such a myopic focus on weapons? IT DRIVES ME NUTS!!!!!!!

It also makes me a liar .. I get pulled into these debates even when I say I'm not interested.

chopitdown

Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:

You got one dude who kills 32 people. If one of those 32 people had a gun, he couldve been stopped. Sure he couldve. But imagine the number of guns that would be on campuses. I'm thinking there would be more than 32 gun related deaths if guns were allowed on campuses. Between the drinking, the fighting between roommates, the pressure...i dont think its a good idea.

I must say I agree with this. someone could have stopped it but my feeling is that we'd be hearing more about gun violence at some Universities.

dunkman

69charger wrote:

Arming properly trained teachers would be a good start.

i'm sorry man but i cant believe that people think arming teachers and allowing students guns on campus is the answer!!

rather than a peaceful proactive approach people think the answer is to arm more people... thats not dealing with the problem

what a weird world we live in!!

Vedderlution_Baby

reborncareerist wrote:

Fuck no. Not at all. I support reasonable gun laws, and one reasonable gun law is banning weapons from campus (although perhaps security needs to be beefed up a bit).
What I want people to concede is that homicides have a great many causes, well beyond the realm of what weapons are available. I'd also like people to concede that gun laws do not guarantee peoples' safety. Why the flipping holy fuck can't some government funding be put towards mental health programs? Early detection of homicidal individuals? Bullying prevention programs? Social programs to rectify core causes of crime like poverty and discrimination? Why do people have such a myopic focus on weapons? IT DRIVES ME NUTS!!!!!!!

It also makes me a liar .. I get pulled into these debates even when I say I'm not interested.

Does anyone know anything about this campus? How small is it? I go to a comm. college but they have their own police force on the campus.

I agree that money needs to be invested in programs that help people deal with their problems.

chopitdown

Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:

Does anyone know anything about this campus? How small is it? I go to a comm. college but they have their own police force on the campus.

I agree that money needs to be invested in programs that help people deal with their problems.

26,000 or so students. It's in SW virginia...more of a rural setting. VT has there own police force, as do most colleges. I've been down there a couple of times, but only for athletic events so I can't tell you much more than that.

Vedderlution_Baby

chopitdown wrote:

26,000 or so students. It's in SW virginia...more of a rural setting. VT has there own police force, as do most colleges. I've been down there a couple of times, but only for athletic events so I can't tell you much more than that.

and they still couldnt get to him within two hours? good grief. what were they doing?

69charger

dunkman wrote:

i'm sorry man but i cant believe that people think arming teachers and allowing students guns on campus is the answer!!

rather than a peaceful proactive approach people think the answer is to arm more people... thats not dealing with the problem

what a weird world we live in!!

That's like saying...

"Why put sprinkler heads in the ceilings when we have a fire department right down the street?"

Response time is key.

even flow?

jlew24asu wrote:

I'm just shocked that 54 people could be shot by a handgun before he is taken down.

Could you imagine box cutters?


Don't build a society on greed and fear and guns would probably be used for what they are intended for. Ooops, what is it they are intended for?

chopitdown

Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:

and they still couldnt get to him within two hours? good grief. what were they doing?

go to http://www.cnn.com/ and click on the map of VT it shows the number of buildings. It makes sense that the dorm shootings were a surprise and it makes sense that he made it somewhere else...if no one knew who he was really and he just sorta blended in I'm sure it could take that long. I mean he'd just have to get to other buildings...it's also a campus of over 2000 acres. They've got about 20 or so officers that had to find him. My guess is if it happened later in the day more people would have seen the guy running etc...and gotten him..Most people were prob still asleep when the first gun shots rang out.

69charger

even flow? wrote:

Could you imagine box cutters?

Box cutters killed 3,000+ on 9/11.

dunkman

69charger wrote:

That's like saying...

"Why put sprinkler heads in the ceilings when we have a fire department right down the street?"

Response time is key.

its not like saying that at all.. poor analogy... thats a preventative measure.. giving a teacher a gun is just fucked up.. i want my kids educated, not scared their teacher might have just found out he's getting fired or his wife is being screwed by a student

.. i made my french teacher cry once due to me being a shit in class... all he did was through a duster at me... :rolleyes:

dunkman

69charger wrote:

Box cutters killed 3,000+ on 9/11.

really i thought it was US foreign policy... lets ban that


so the big fucking jet hitting a building didnt???? man i need to stop reading the news

jlew24asu

even flow? wrote:

Could you imagine box cutters?

is this some type of 9/11 reference?

even flow? wrote:

Don't build a society on greed and fear and guns would probably be used for what they are intended for. Ooops, what is it they are intended for?

dont build a society on greed and fear? thats cute. its too bad you didnt build it for us

even flow?

69charger wrote:

Box cutters killed 3,000+ on 9/11.

Right! And nobody charged at them. And somebody is questioning why nobody charged somebody with a gun? Insane!

even flow?

jlew24asu wrote:

is this some type of 9/11 reference?




dont build a society on greed and fear? thats cute. its too bad you didnt build it for us

Take a swing cool guy at why the need for guns? I didn't think so. Too easy to walk into that trap, eh. :rolleyes:

farfromglorified

How are you people going to enforce your gun ban?

rebornFixer

farfromglorified wrote:

How are you people going to enforce your gun ban?

That's just it. They never think that far ahead. Current laws banning automatic weapons are poorly enforced, yet the solution posed is yet more laws?!

jlew24asu

even flow? wrote:

Take a swing cool guy at why the need for guns? I didn't think so. Too easy to walk into that trap, eh. :rolleyes:

I'm no fan of guns. personally I hate them. but there is a need for them. for protection.