yep.. and per capita you have 10 times more crime and murder in that one state... nice
That's sad. I personally believe there are many more deep seeded problems in the US....................Those deficits in our society are much more to blame than the guns people own. Guns wouldn't even be an issue if this weren't the case.
You got one dude who kills 32 people. If one of those 32 people had a gun, he couldve been stopped. Sure he couldve. But imagine the number of guns that would be on campuses. I'm thinking there would be more than 32 gun related deaths if guns were allowed on campuses. Between the drinking, the fighting between roommates, the pressure...i dont think its a good idea.
And this is from one extreme to the other. No guns to everyone needs one.
Should we start giving them to high school students also because of columbine?
Fuck no. Not at all. I support reasonable gun laws, and one reasonable gun law is banning weapons from campus (although perhaps security needs to be beefed up a bit).
What I want people to concede is that homicides have a great many causes, well beyond the realm of what weapons are available. I'd also like people to concede that gun laws do not guarantee peoples' safety. Why the flipping holy fuck can't some government funding be put towards mental health programs? Early detection of homicidal individuals? Bullying prevention programs? Social programs to rectify core causes of crime like poverty and discrimination? Why do people have such a myopic focus on weapons? IT DRIVES ME NUTS!!!!!!!
It also makes me a liar .. I get pulled into these debates even when I say I'm not interested.
You got one dude who kills 32 people. If one of those 32 people had a gun, he couldve been stopped. Sure he couldve. But imagine the number of guns that would be on campuses. I'm thinking there would be more than 32 gun related deaths if guns were allowed on campuses. Between the drinking, the fighting between roommates, the pressure...i dont think its a good idea.
I must say I agree with this. someone could have stopped it but my feeling is that we'd be hearing more about gun violence at some Universities.
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Arming properly trained teachers would be a good start.
i'm sorry man but i cant believe that people think arming teachers and allowing students guns on campus is the answer!!
rather than a peaceful proactive approach people think the answer is to arm more people... thats not dealing with the problem
what a weird world we live in!!
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Fuck no. Not at all. I support reasonable gun laws, and one reasonable gun law is banning weapons from campus (although perhaps security needs to be beefed up a bit).
What I want people to concede is that homicides have a great many causes, well beyond the realm of what weapons are available. I'd also like people to concede that gun laws do not guarantee peoples' safety. Why the flipping holy fuck can't some government funding be put towards mental health programs? Early detection of homicidal individuals? Bullying prevention programs? Social programs to rectify core causes of crime like poverty and discrimination? Why do people have such a myopic focus on weapons? IT DRIVES ME NUTS!!!!!!!
It also makes me a liar .. I get pulled into these debates even when I say I'm not interested.
Does anyone know anything about this campus? How small is it? I go to a comm. college but they have their own police force on the campus.
I agree that money needs to be invested in programs that help people deal with their problems.
Does anyone know anything about this campus? How small is it? I go to a comm. college but they have their own police force on the campus.
I agree that money needs to be invested in programs that help people deal with their problems.
26,000 or so students. It's in SW virginia...more of a rural setting. VT has there own police force, as do most colleges. I've been down there a couple of times, but only for athletic events so I can't tell you much more than that.
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26,000 or so students. It's in SW virginia...more of a rural setting. VT has there own police force, as do most colleges. I've been down there a couple of times, but only for athletic events so I can't tell you much more than that.
and they still couldnt get to him within two hours? good grief. what were they doing?
and they still couldnt get to him within two hours? good grief. what were they doing?
go to http://www.cnn.com/ and click on the map of VT it shows the number of buildings. It makes sense that the dorm shootings were a surprise and it makes sense that he made it somewhere else...if no one knew who he was really and he just sorta blended in I'm sure it could take that long. I mean he'd just have to get to other buildings...it's also a campus of over 2000 acres. They've got about 20 or so officers that had to find him. My guess is if it happened later in the day more people would have seen the guy running etc...and gotten him..Most people were prob still asleep when the first gun shots rang out.
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"Why put sprinkler heads in the ceilings when we have a fire department right down the street?"
Response time is key.
its not like saying that at all.. poor analogy... thats a preventative measure.. giving a teacher a gun is just fucked up.. i want my kids educated, not scared their teacher might have just found out he's getting fired or his wife is being screwed by a student
.. i made my french teacher cry once due to me being a shit in class... all he did was through a duster at me... :rolleyes:
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
really i thought it was US foreign policy... lets ban that
so the big fucking jet hitting a building didnt???? man i need to stop reading the news
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
The "facts" that all of you anti gun folk spew miss one major point in the whole discussion. Those that want them will get them no matter what sort of ban you place on them. When 75% of the guns used in homicides in NYC are illegal unregistered and unlicensed, what good does making Joe Hunter have to jump through 14 more hoops to get a peashooter for hunting? Absolutely none. Fact of the matter is this, Europe and the States are like night and day (its more then cultural, we refuse to be ruled and will revolt if and when it becomes necessary, short revolution when you let them take away your right to own a gun). A full ban on guns would only have everyone and their brother digging a hole in the backyard. Calling in the inspector to show them they have no guns on the premisiss and then digging them up once the athourities leave. (people that live around me have plans for this all joking aside) If we can not prevent drugs and people from entering, being used or grown in this country with legislation what in the heavens makes you all think that a few more laws will make people hand in their guns or stop using them once you make them illegal. /boggle
Maybe the answer is to have more stringent requests on security. Other professions are required to maintain Continuing Education and a certain level of health. More and more cops/police/sherrifs/campus police fit into the stereotype and are at the local Dunkin Donuts or coffee joint as opposed to doing what the taxpayers pay them for (like stopping a guy on a 2 hour killing spree on a college campus).
So if this guy had not had a gun but had some fertilizer (not a hard find in VA this time of year) and went and got a couple of gallons of gas (he must be rich) he could have pulled a Timothy McVeigh and done a lot more damage thats a fact. So to echo others, where there is a will there is a way.
bah i hate these debates the answers always suck either way
"The really important thing is not to live, but to live well. And to live well meant, along with more enjoyable things in life, to live according to your principles."
— Socrates
(its more then cultural, we refuse to be ruled and will revolt if and when it becomes necessary, short revolution when you let them take away your right to own a gun).
:rolleyes:
that shows massive ignorance of europe there buddy... Romania ring any bells, Yugoslavia, French Revolution?
anyway americans are too fucking fat to have a revolt.... waddling to get their guns they'd be blasted by then! what kind of country lives in such fear of its government that it feels the need to buy 12 guns... the US army would obliterate you all before you had lifted your faces from your fucking maple syrup swamped pancakes
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
that shows massive ignorance of europe there buddy... Romania ring any bells, Yugoslavia, French Revolution?
anyway americans are too fucking fat to have a revolt.... waddling to get their guns they'd be blasted by then! what kind of country lives in such fear of its government that it feels the need to buy 12 guns... the US army would obliterate you all before you had lifted your faces from your fucking maple syrup swamped pancakes
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it is mere speculation ... who is to say this law didn't prevent more instances ... it's all anyone can do ...
i suspect people with their own internal agendas will play this out to their biases ... that's life i guess ...
Fuck no. Not at all. I support reasonable gun laws, and one reasonable gun law is banning weapons from campus (although perhaps security needs to be beefed up a bit).
What I want people to concede is that homicides have a great many causes, well beyond the realm of what weapons are available. I'd also like people to concede that gun laws do not guarantee peoples' safety. Why the flipping holy fuck can't some government funding be put towards mental health programs? Early detection of homicidal individuals? Bullying prevention programs? Social programs to rectify core causes of crime like poverty and discrimination? Why do people have such a myopic focus on weapons? IT DRIVES ME NUTS!!!!!!!
It also makes me a liar .. I get pulled into these debates even when I say I'm not interested.
I must say I agree with this. someone could have stopped it but my feeling is that we'd be hearing more about gun violence at some Universities.
i'm sorry man but i cant believe that people think arming teachers and allowing students guns on campus is the answer!!
rather than a peaceful proactive approach people think the answer is to arm more people... thats not dealing with the problem
what a weird world we live in!!
Does anyone know anything about this campus? How small is it? I go to a comm. college but they have their own police force on the campus.
I agree that money needs to be invested in programs that help people deal with their problems.
26,000 or so students. It's in SW virginia...more of a rural setting. VT has there own police force, as do most colleges. I've been down there a couple of times, but only for athletic events so I can't tell you much more than that.
and they still couldnt get to him within two hours? good grief. what were they doing?
That's like saying...
"Why put sprinkler heads in the ceilings when we have a fire department right down the street?"
Response time is key.
Could you imagine box cutters?
Don't build a society on greed and fear and guns would probably be used for what they are intended for. Ooops, what is it they are intended for?
go to http://www.cnn.com/ and click on the map of VT it shows the number of buildings. It makes sense that the dorm shootings were a surprise and it makes sense that he made it somewhere else...if no one knew who he was really and he just sorta blended in I'm sure it could take that long. I mean he'd just have to get to other buildings...it's also a campus of over 2000 acres. They've got about 20 or so officers that had to find him. My guess is if it happened later in the day more people would have seen the guy running etc...and gotten him..Most people were prob still asleep when the first gun shots rang out.
Box cutters killed 3,000+ on 9/11.
its not like saying that at all.. poor analogy... thats a preventative measure.. giving a teacher a gun is just fucked up.. i want my kids educated, not scared their teacher might have just found out he's getting fired or his wife is being screwed by a student
.. i made my french teacher cry once due to me being a shit in class... all he did was through a duster at me... :rolleyes:
really i thought it was US foreign policy... lets ban that
so the big fucking jet hitting a building didnt???? man i need to stop reading the news
dont build a society on greed and fear? thats cute. its too bad you didnt build it for us
Right! And nobody charged at them. And somebody is questioning why nobody charged somebody with a gun? Insane!
Take a swing cool guy at why the need for guns? I didn't think so. Too easy to walk into that trap, eh. :rolleyes:
That's just it. They never think that far ahead. Current laws banning automatic weapons are poorly enforced, yet the solution posed is yet more laws?!
I'm no fan of guns. personally I hate them. but there is a need for them. for protection.
Guns have two uses: coercion and wounding/killing. So if you need to coerce someone, or you need to hurt something, a gun is typically a good option.
A cop pulled a gun on me when I was a teenager, told me to stop or he'd shoot: I was running, and kept running. Didn't coerce shit from me.
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Fair enough.
The "facts" that all of you anti gun folk spew miss one major point in the whole discussion. Those that want them will get them no matter what sort of ban you place on them. When 75% of the guns used in homicides in NYC are illegal unregistered and unlicensed, what good does making Joe Hunter have to jump through 14 more hoops to get a peashooter for hunting? Absolutely none. Fact of the matter is this, Europe and the States are like night and day (its more then cultural, we refuse to be ruled and will revolt if and when it becomes necessary, short revolution when you let them take away your right to own a gun). A full ban on guns would only have everyone and their brother digging a hole in the backyard. Calling in the inspector to show them they have no guns on the premisiss and then digging them up once the athourities leave. (people that live around me have plans for this all joking aside) If we can not prevent drugs and people from entering, being used or grown in this country with legislation what in the heavens makes you all think that a few more laws will make people hand in their guns or stop using them once you make them illegal. /boggle
Maybe the answer is to have more stringent requests on security. Other professions are required to maintain Continuing Education and a certain level of health. More and more cops/police/sherrifs/campus police fit into the stereotype and are at the local Dunkin Donuts or coffee joint as opposed to doing what the taxpayers pay them for (like stopping a guy on a 2 hour killing spree on a college campus).
So if this guy had not had a gun but had some fertilizer (not a hard find in VA this time of year) and went and got a couple of gallons of gas (he must be rich) he could have pulled a Timothy McVeigh and done a lot more damage thats a fact. So to echo others, where there is a will there is a way.
bah i hate these debates the answers always suck either way
— Socrates
"Know what happens to people with knives?"
"No."
"They get shot."
- quotable from the movie Grindhouse
I think you mean semi-automatic weapons.
Those too.
:rolleyes:
that shows massive ignorance of europe there buddy... Romania ring any bells, Yugoslavia, French Revolution?
anyway americans are too fucking fat to have a revolt.... waddling to get their guns they'd be blasted by then!
That about sums it up for me.
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You're just mad because you're stuck with "treacle" or whatever the heck you call it ...
and for the record, maple syrup is Canadian, dammit!