i think that is kinda the whole point of the article. i mean, just becos a small number of people have drug problems or depression or were sexually abused, does that mean we shouldn't talk about it or try to help people out of it?
What I was saying, is that you can't generlaise to everybody from a single or small sample size. BY all means , lets help those who need help. That's what I do for a living.
In fact just now I saw a young lady who has been merrily shagging recently and after giving her her test results, outilned teh premise in teh post at teh top of teh thread.
Let me say she went very red in teh face as she roared with laughter at the thought that she got pissed so she cold stand sex and waking upo aftereward. We had a great old laugh !!
She said she thinks it's the blokes who have trouble handling one-nighters.,.
I'm inclined to agree, you put in all that spadework and expect more than one night !! LOL !!!!
What I was saying, is that you can't generlaise to everybody from a single or small sample size. BY all means , lets help those who need help. That's what I do for a living.
In fact just now I saw a young lady who has been merrily shagging recently and after giving her her test results, outilned teh premise in teh post at teh top of teh thread.
Let me say she went very red in teh face as she roared with laughter at the thought that she got pissed so she cold stand sex and waking upo aftereward. We had a great old laugh !!
She said she thinks it's the blokes who have trouble handling one-nighters.,.
I'm inclined to agree, you put in all that spadework and expect more than one night !! LOL !!!!
Seems part of that whole thing about women still not being able to own their sexuality. Guys do not like it if you get up the next morning and you aren't interested in exchanging numbers or heaven forbid you leave straight after the act. It's ok if they get in first, but not if you do.
Maybe its a human thing? Girls don't like it either I guess.
But I wanna know how come guys get a free pass on this stuff but if a woman comes forward and admits to the same behaviour there's something wrong with her. I say good on her for embracing her sexuality and getting her rocks off however she pleases.
Seems part of that whole thing about women still not being able to own their sexuality. Guys do not like it if you get up the next morning and you aren't interested in exchanging numbers or heaven forbid you leave straight after the act. It's ok if they get in first, but not if you do.
Maybe its a human thing? Girls don't like it either I guess.
But I wanna know how come guys get a free pass on this stuff but if a woman comes forward and admits to the same behaviour there's something wrong with her. I say good on her for embracing her sexuality and getting her rocks off however she pleases.
I dunno, I was really joking. I've been married so long, I would have to make shit up. BUt you are so right about that whole wmone not owning their own sexulity thing.
I am all for people owning their own bodies. Women are as guilty as men of the sin of trying to control wmoens sexuality.
Slut!!
Slapper !!
What I was saying, is that you can't generlaise to everybody from a single or small sample size. BY all means , lets help those who need help. That's what I do for a living.
In fact just now I saw a young lady who has been merrily shagging recently and after giving her her test results, outilned teh premise in teh post at teh top of teh thread.
Let me say she went very red in teh face as she roared with laughter at the thought that she got pissed so she cold stand sex and waking upo aftereward. We had a great old laugh !!
She said she thinks it's the blokes who have trouble handling one-nighters.,.
I'm inclined to agree, you put in all that spadework and expect more than one night !! LOL !!!!
i dont think anyone implied women have to get liquored up to stand sex. the implication was drink to fuck a complete stranger they never intend to see again.
Seems part of that whole thing about women still not being able to own their sexuality. Guys do not like it if you get up the next morning and you aren't interested in exchanging numbers or heaven forbid you leave straight after the act. It's ok if they get in first, but not if you do.
Maybe its a human thing? Girls don't like it either I guess.
But I wanna know how come guys get a free pass on this stuff but if a woman comes forward and admits to the same behaviour there's something wrong with her. I say good on her for embracing her sexuality and getting her rocks off however she pleases.
id like you to show me where i said anything like this. in fact, the first sentence in my thread was not that guys should get a free pass and women shouldn't own their sexuality, it was that guys should not be doing this either. there's no anti-women agenda, as much as you like trying to read that into my posts.
and what's it mean "ok if they get in first?" is that an aussie thing?
I dunno, I was really joking. I've been married so long, I would have to make shit up. BUt you are so right about that whole wmone not owning their own sexulity thing.
I am all for people owning their own bodies. Women are as guilty as men of the sin of trying to control wmoens sexuality.
Slut!!
Slapper !!
Well it's part of that whole are you a good girl or a bad girl crap!
So if you wanna make sure you're seen as a good girl you are gonna join in the chorus of bagging any body that's getting what you aren't. Maybe feeling smug and repressed works for some women.
Sad really.
I'm proud to be a slut. Whatever that means.
Perhaps if I'd met my life partner earlier I'd not be considered one, but I reckon even if I had, I'd still be a slut. If slut means enjoys regular sex.
i dont think anyone implied women have to get liquored up to stand sex. the implication was drink to fuck a complete stranger they never intend to see again.
Yeah I know, that's what I was talking about. INterestingly I was talking to a girl once and she said sthat she always had to be drunk to have sex for the first time with a guy, even if they had been dating for a while, which I found really odd, cos nearly every girl I ever slept with was pretty sober. Ocasionally they were pissed, but not very often. She thought that was weird, could not understand how a girl could be sober for eh first one.
Funny old world !!
Well it's part of that whole are you a good girl or a bad girl crap!
So if you wanna make sure you're seen as a good girl you are gonna join in the chorus of bagging any body that's getting what you aren't. Maybe feeling smug and repressed works for some women.
Sad really.
I'm proud to be a slut. Whatever that means.
Perhaps if I'd met my life partner earlier I'd not be considered one, but I reckon even if I had, I'd still be a slut. If slut means enjoys regular sex.
I think this is the basis of the mythology of witches. The ultimate way to deal with a pretty girl wo is out of line sexually and turning too many boys heads is for the other wpmoen to acuse her of witchcraft and either birn her or turn her out. Tends to discourage other girls from trying it, keeeps everyone in line and the playing field open to everyone.
id like you to show me where i said anything like this. in fact, the first sentence in my thread was not that guys should get a free pass and women shouldn't own their sexuality, it was that guys should not be doing this either. there's no anti-women agenda, as much as you like trying to read that into my posts.
and what's it mean "ok if they get in first?" is that an aussie thing?
I wasn't having a go at you ss. I've barely read the whole thread. I certainly didn't take anything you said as an anti woman agenda.
I was saying in my experience, men do not like it if you leave immediately after the act or don't supply a phone number. And that a lot of guys seem to like to leave or not supply a phone number first because they want to be the one "to get in first", to be the one who exerts the power in the situation.
More women appear to be doing that though too.
I was saying that this seems to be an across the spectrum thing.
Nobody wants to be the person wanting more after an interaction such as this. That seems to be the nature of human relationships, there seems to always be some one in control of the situation and the follower. Or someone holds more of the balance of power. That's all. No sinister rampant lesbian man hating going on here. I was simply acknowledging things as I see them.
I would like to see women be able to do as they please sexually and not be labelled derogatory things like slut. As opposed to guys who seem to be able to do as they please sexually and are labelled more admiringly as studs.
Yeah I know, that's what I was talking about. INterestingly I was talking to a girl once and she said sthat she always had to be drunk to have sex for the first time with a guy, even if they had been dating for a while, which I found really odd, cos nearly every girl I ever slept with was pretty sober. Ocasionally they were pissed, but not very often. She thought that was weird, could not understand how a girl could be sober for eh first one.
Funny old world !!
bloody board!! I had a reponse to this all typed out and something went wrong with the submitting. ANYWAY, let me see if I can remember what I said. :eek:
Oh yeah, I can understand where she's coming from lucy.
It took me a lot of years to learn not to make alcohol a factor if I was getting down to it for the first time with a guy. And ironically when I finally did learn how to, I was so focused on me "getting everything right this time" that I failed to notice he was a violent control freak. I understand why it is that I needed alcohol in order to be intimate and it's completely understandable to me now. I think we do what we know at the time.
And I guess we live and learn. When you know and understand yourself better you are able to make better choices. I'd love if alcohol wasn't a factor in some of my earlier experiences, but I can't change it. Only move forward.
I think this is the basis of the mythology of witches. The ultimate way to deal with a pretty girl wo is out of line sexually and turning too many boys heads is for the other wpmoen to acuse her of witchcraft and either birn her or turn her out. Tends to discourage other girls from trying it, keeeps everyone in line and the playing field open to everyone.
Do you think it only had to do with attractiveness? I was thinking that wicka and witchcraft was a pretty powerful female doctrine. Must have been powerful if it needed to be shut down!
Do you think it only had to do with attractiveness? I was thinking that wicka and witchcraft was a pretty powerful female doctrine. Most have been powerful if it needed to be shut down!
mmmm maybe, I think it iwas usually teh prety girls who were gettin more than was thought to their fair share of attention, but I'm no expert. I tihnk where most accusations of witchcraft occured there was no wicka etc going on, just girls being girls.
I was interested to read that in Salem, there was an old man "pressed to death with stones" for refusing to go to trial.
mmmm maybe, I think it iwas usually teh prety girls who were gettin more than was thought to their fair share of attention, but I'm no expert. I tihnk where most accusations of witchcraft occured there was no wicka etc going on, just girls being girls.
I was interested to read that in Salem, there was an old man "pressed to death with stones" for refusing to go to trial.
i suspect someone has been watching too many episodes of bewitched.
that was a veiled sexist comment based on the beauty myth i feel lucy.
lets not forget that midwives were considered to be witches by some.
hear my name
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this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
mmmm maybe, I think it iwas usually teh prety girls who were gettin more than was thought to their fair share of attention, but I'm no expert. I tihnk where most accusations of witchcraft occured there was no wicka etc going on, just girls being girls.
I was interested to read that in Salem, there was an old man "pressed to death with stones" for refusing to go to trial.
Yikes!!! Folks could think up some stuff hey? :eek:
Yeah, I was thinking that historically speaking witches, and wizards too I suppose, held a fairly powerful position in society up until the time that organized religion came through. Then all had to be cleansed in order for us to follow "the one true faith". I mean there was evidence to suggest that the healing treatments used by early witches, handed down through the generations, are actually the basis of many of our medicines today.
I guess it's different in terms of America, but I was thinking of the witches of England and Ireland and Scotland. I'm not sure but I think that witchcraft goes back to the pagans. And the christians annihilated the pagans.
......lets not forget that midwives were considered to be witches by some.
ah yes cate!! you spade caller you!!!
exactly!! this was the case with midwives.
Actually this whole idea that lucy has sparked has got me thinking I need to go back and refresh my memory by reading.
Yeah I know, that's what I was talking about. INterestingly I was talking to a girl once and she said sthat she always had to be drunk to have sex for the first time with a guy, even if they had been dating for a while, which I found really odd, cos nearly every girl I ever slept with was pretty sober. Ocasionally they were pissed, but not very often. She thought that was weird, could not understand how a girl could be sober for eh first one.
Funny old world !!
All this girl on girl talk is getting soulsinging excited.
It doesn't matter if you're male, female, or confused; black, white, brown, red, green, yellow; gay, lesbian; redneck cop, stoned; ugly; military style, doggy style; fat, rich or poor; vegetarian or cannibal; bum, hippie, virgin; famous or drunk-you're either an asshole or you're not!
Them's fighting woids ya know. Not sure how you get there form anything I have siad though. Someone needs to genotype me for Scubascott.
Damn it. Sorry. Maybe it was wishful thinking on my part. With a name like lucylespian (lesbian?) you can understand how I'd get confused.
It doesn't matter if you're male, female, or confused; black, white, brown, red, green, yellow; gay, lesbian; redneck cop, stoned; ugly; military style, doggy style; fat, rich or poor; vegetarian or cannibal; bum, hippie, virgin; famous or drunk-you're either an asshole or you're not!
Damn it. Sorry. Maybe it was wishful thinking on my part. With a name like lucylespian (lesbian?) you can understand how I'd get confused.
Yeah, tricky little XY that I am, and there's me with all that stuff validating women's rights too, then get called sexist.
Lucy is my guitar, Lucy the Les P.
Yeah, tricky little XY that I am, and there's me with all that stuff validating women's rights too, then get called sexist.
Lucy is my guitar, Lucy the Les P.
LMAO!!!! Ah lucy!!!
So much pleasure to be had just from your little log in!!!
Yeah, tricky little XY that I am, and there's me with all that stuff validating women's rights too, then get called sexist.
Lucy is my guitar, Lucy the Les P.
Ah. . . Les Paul. . .
Now I'm imagining girl on girl action while Jimmy Page plays 'No Quarter' in the background.
It doesn't matter if you're male, female, or confused; black, white, brown, red, green, yellow; gay, lesbian; redneck cop, stoned; ugly; military style, doggy style; fat, rich or poor; vegetarian or cannibal; bum, hippie, virgin; famous or drunk-you're either an asshole or you're not!
ooooooh, serious porn music !! I'm getting that grinding vibe .......
Led Zep? Porn music? Hmmmm......hang on gotta find the cd and check that!
Now TOOL that is porn music! Or if you're feeling funky and in for some fun, maybe Donna Summer or Hot Chocolate!!
Led Zep? Porn music? Hmmmm......hang on gotta find the cd and check that!
Now TOOL that is porn music! Or if you're feeling funky and in for some fun, maybe Donna Summer or Hot Chocolate!!
Its not porn music, but 'No Quarter' is better than sex.
Tool? What the hell goes on in your bedroom? I bet there's leather involved.
It doesn't matter if you're male, female, or confused; black, white, brown, red, green, yellow; gay, lesbian; redneck cop, stoned; ugly; military style, doggy style; fat, rich or poor; vegetarian or cannibal; bum, hippie, virgin; famous or drunk-you're either an asshole or you're not!
Its not porn music, but 'No Quarter' is better than sex.
Tool? What the hell goes on in your bedroom? I bet there's leather involved.
Dude, I have The Downward Spiral by NIN as a personal favorite for such occasions. Different tastes, my brother.
Peace
Dan
"YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
Its not porn music, but 'No Quarter' is better than sex.
Well having just listened to it scott, it sounds very much like sex music to me. A lot like epic tool actually, or that should probably be the other way around. :eek: I don't know about better than sex though. What could be better than sex? I mean good sex of course.
First of all, I wouldn't want it myself, but then again circumstances has been good to me, and my first real relationship to a woman is the one I still have. Thus I am as monogamous as possible. And I think it's great, but acknowledge everyone can't be that lucky, and that if I hadn't lucked out, I would definitely settled for the occasional sex. But this is most definitely a private and personal issue. Different things work for different people, and some people are engaging in things they'll regret later. That won't change.
Now what really bothers me about the interview at the start here, is all the absurd, traditional and reactionary attitudes of this woman. I take issue with many, if not all of them.
Women drink because they have meaningless sex? Come on. Women drink and smoke more than before and are getting closer to the male rates. I wonder if greater equality and opportunities can have anything to do with it? Alcohol and going out, like it or not, are linked. And one must go out to meet people. Whether one thinks alcohol should be involved in such activities is another matter, but the fact is that it is.
She has now changed her opinion because it is now more obvious and isn't hidden anymore? *cough*hypocrite*cough* It was ok for her as they had rules to break, and lament the younger ones that have none to break and thus has no direction???
The whole "men work like this and women like this" is sociobiology at it's lowest and least applicable. Speculative and extremely imprecise to say the least. And I take offense as a man mostly, as we obviously dont have feelings from nature's side. Personal differences, past experiences and so on is A LOT more important than that little evo-link anyway when it comes to this.
It's not that I necessarily disagree with the overall sentiment, but by God, the premises like those above really pisses me off.
*gets off soapbox*
Peace
Dan
"YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
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What I was saying, is that you can't generlaise to everybody from a single or small sample size. BY all means , lets help those who need help. That's what I do for a living.
In fact just now I saw a young lady who has been merrily shagging recently and after giving her her test results, outilned teh premise in teh post at teh top of teh thread.
Let me say she went very red in teh face as she roared with laughter at the thought that she got pissed so she cold stand sex and waking upo aftereward. We had a great old laugh !!
She said she thinks it's the blokes who have trouble handling one-nighters.,.
I'm inclined to agree, you put in all that spadework and expect more than one night !! LOL !!!!
Seems part of that whole thing about women still not being able to own their sexuality. Guys do not like it if you get up the next morning and you aren't interested in exchanging numbers or heaven forbid you leave straight after the act. It's ok if they get in first, but not if you do.
Maybe its a human thing? Girls don't like it either I guess.
But I wanna know how come guys get a free pass on this stuff but if a woman comes forward and admits to the same behaviour there's something wrong with her. I say good on her for embracing her sexuality and getting her rocks off however she pleases.
*~You're IT Bert!~*
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I dunno, I was really joking. I've been married so long, I would have to make shit up. BUt you are so right about that whole wmone not owning their own sexulity thing.
I am all for people owning their own bodies. Women are as guilty as men of the sin of trying to control wmoens sexuality.
Slut!!
Slapper !!
i dont think anyone implied women have to get liquored up to stand sex. the implication was drink to fuck a complete stranger they never intend to see again.
id like you to show me where i said anything like this. in fact, the first sentence in my thread was not that guys should get a free pass and women shouldn't own their sexuality, it was that guys should not be doing this either. there's no anti-women agenda, as much as you like trying to read that into my posts.
and what's it mean "ok if they get in first?" is that an aussie thing?
Well it's part of that whole are you a good girl or a bad girl crap!
So if you wanna make sure you're seen as a good girl you are gonna join in the chorus of bagging any body that's getting what you aren't. Maybe feeling smug and repressed works for some women.
Sad really.
I'm proud to be a slut. Whatever that means.
Perhaps if I'd met my life partner earlier I'd not be considered one, but I reckon even if I had, I'd still be a slut. If slut means enjoys regular sex.
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
Yeah I know, that's what I was talking about. INterestingly I was talking to a girl once and she said sthat she always had to be drunk to have sex for the first time with a guy, even if they had been dating for a while, which I found really odd, cos nearly every girl I ever slept with was pretty sober. Ocasionally they were pissed, but not very often. She thought that was weird, could not understand how a girl could be sober for eh first one.
Funny old world !!
I think this is the basis of the mythology of witches. The ultimate way to deal with a pretty girl wo is out of line sexually and turning too many boys heads is for the other wpmoen to acuse her of witchcraft and either birn her or turn her out. Tends to discourage other girls from trying it, keeeps everyone in line and the playing field open to everyone.
I wasn't having a go at you ss. I've barely read the whole thread. I certainly didn't take anything you said as an anti woman agenda.
I was saying in my experience, men do not like it if you leave immediately after the act or don't supply a phone number. And that a lot of guys seem to like to leave or not supply a phone number first because they want to be the one "to get in first", to be the one who exerts the power in the situation.
More women appear to be doing that though too.
I was saying that this seems to be an across the spectrum thing.
Nobody wants to be the person wanting more after an interaction such as this. That seems to be the nature of human relationships, there seems to always be some one in control of the situation and the follower. Or someone holds more of the balance of power. That's all. No sinister rampant lesbian man hating going on here. I was simply acknowledging things as I see them.
I would like to see women be able to do as they please sexually and not be labelled derogatory things like slut. As opposed to guys who seem to be able to do as they please sexually and are labelled more admiringly as studs.
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
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bloody board!! I had a reponse to this all typed out and something went wrong with the submitting. ANYWAY, let me see if I can remember what I said. :eek:
Oh yeah, I can understand where she's coming from lucy.
It took me a lot of years to learn not to make alcohol a factor if I was getting down to it for the first time with a guy. And ironically when I finally did learn how to, I was so focused on me "getting everything right this time" that I failed to notice he was a violent control freak. I understand why it is that I needed alcohol in order to be intimate and it's completely understandable to me now. I think we do what we know at the time.
And I guess we live and learn. When you know and understand yourself better you are able to make better choices. I'd love if alcohol wasn't a factor in some of my earlier experiences, but I can't change it. Only move forward.
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
Do you think it only had to do with attractiveness? I was thinking that wicka and witchcraft was a pretty powerful female doctrine. Must have been powerful if it needed to be shut down!
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
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mmmm maybe, I think it iwas usually teh prety girls who were gettin more than was thought to their fair share of attention, but I'm no expert. I tihnk where most accusations of witchcraft occured there was no wicka etc going on, just girls being girls.
I was interested to read that in Salem, there was an old man "pressed to death with stones" for refusing to go to trial.
i suspect someone has been watching too many episodes of bewitched.
that was a veiled sexist comment based on the beauty myth i feel lucy.
lets not forget that midwives were considered to be witches by some.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Yikes!!! Folks could think up some stuff hey? :eek:
Yeah, I was thinking that historically speaking witches, and wizards too I suppose, held a fairly powerful position in society up until the time that organized religion came through. Then all had to be cleansed in order for us to follow "the one true faith". I mean there was evidence to suggest that the healing treatments used by early witches, handed down through the generations, are actually the basis of many of our medicines today.
I guess it's different in terms of America, but I was thinking of the witches of England and Ireland and Scotland. I'm not sure but I think that witchcraft goes back to the pagans. And the christians annihilated the pagans.
*~You're IT Bert!~*
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ah yes cate!! you spade caller you!!!
exactly!! this was the case with midwives.
Actually this whole idea that lucy has sparked has got me thinking I need to go back and refresh my memory by reading.
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All this girl on girl talk is getting soulsinging excited.
-C Addison
Ouch, you called me sexist !!
Them's fighting woids ya know. Not sure how you get there form anything I have siad though. Someone needs to genotype me for Scubascott.
doesn't take much these days scott!!
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Damn it. Sorry. Maybe it was wishful thinking on my part. With a name like lucylespian (lesbian?) you can understand how I'd get confused.
-C Addison
Yeah, tricky little XY that I am, and there's me with all that stuff validating women's rights too, then get called sexist.
Lucy is my guitar, Lucy the Les P.
LMAO!!!! Ah lucy!!!
So much pleasure to be had just from your little log in!!!
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
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Ah. . . Les Paul. . .
Now I'm imagining girl on girl action while Jimmy Page plays 'No Quarter' in the background.
-C Addison
ooooooh, serious porn music !! I'm getting that grinding vibe .......
Jeanie, please tell this old luddite what LMAO meams, I am so clueless !!
Led Zep? Porn music? Hmmmm......hang on gotta find the cd and check that!
Now TOOL that is porn music!
Ok cyber abbreviations 101. Attention class!
LMAO = Laughing My Ass Off
LOL = 1) Lots of Love or 2) Lots of Laughing
ttyl = talk to you later
WTF = What the fuck????
Anything else I can help you with my dear?
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Its not porn music, but 'No Quarter' is better than sex.
Tool? What the hell goes on in your bedroom? I bet there's leather involved.
-C Addison
No Quatter has that groovy slow grrove, toallty porn
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Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
Well having just listened to it scott, it sounds very much like sex music to me. A lot like epic tool actually, or that should probably be the other way around. :eek: I don't know about better than sex though.
:( nothin'! absolutely nothin'!
BUT you should try the live version of Tool's Push It scott.
Or some of the other slow building Tool songs. VERY excellent sex music!!!
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I agree lucy.
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First of all, I wouldn't want it myself, but then again circumstances has been good to me, and my first real relationship to a woman is the one I still have. Thus I am as monogamous as possible. And I think it's great, but acknowledge everyone can't be that lucky, and that if I hadn't lucked out, I would definitely settled for the occasional sex. But this is most definitely a private and personal issue. Different things work for different people, and some people are engaging in things they'll regret later. That won't change.
Now what really bothers me about the interview at the start here, is all the absurd, traditional and reactionary attitudes of this woman. I take issue with many, if not all of them.
Women drink because they have meaningless sex? Come on. Women drink and smoke more than before and are getting closer to the male rates. I wonder if greater equality and opportunities can have anything to do with it? Alcohol and going out, like it or not, are linked. And one must go out to meet people. Whether one thinks alcohol should be involved in such activities is another matter, but the fact is that it is.
She has now changed her opinion because it is now more obvious and isn't hidden anymore? *cough*hypocrite*cough* It was ok for her as they had rules to break, and lament the younger ones that have none to break and thus has no direction???
The whole "men work like this and women like this" is sociobiology at it's lowest and least applicable. Speculative and extremely imprecise to say the least. And I take offense as a man mostly, as we obviously dont have feelings from nature's side. Personal differences, past experiences and so on is A LOT more important than that little evo-link anyway when it comes to this.
It's not that I necessarily disagree with the overall sentiment, but by God, the premises like those above really pisses me off.
*gets off soapbox*
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965