Well then...which Presidential choice is riskier for our nation? Or should we just base our choice on the silver medalist, ignoring the gold?
I think this is a good question, but obviously debatable. Who is riskier to run our nation, Obama or Mccain? I don't claim to know. But the point is that it's debatable. I dont think there is a debate as to who of the vp choices is more ready to run the nation...
Further back and forth a wave will break on me, today...
I'm asking a question b/c I don't know and don't want to jump to conclusions.
What does "teaching creation in schools" mean? Creationism only? Intelligent design? Evolution is also taught? All of the above? Teach the science of evolution with the footnote that many people that a higher power is behind the evolution?
What does this mean?
If she favors banning teaching evolution in schools, then yeah, that's crazy.
Sorry, I had to log off for a bit. I see that someone already answered your question...she supports both.
I can't imagine having a kid with no idea about the bible being taught creationism. Isn't creationism considered a theory? Not a science?
That being said, I really don't have much of an idea about the whole creationism thing, only that I would prefer to keep elements of religion out of school. If you add creationism, that adds an element of religion and that bothers me.
Sorry, I had to log off for a bit. I see that someone already answered your question...she supports both.
I can't imagine having a kid with no idea about the bible being taught creationism. Isn't creationism considered a theory? Not a science?
That being said, I really don't have much of an idea about the whole creationism thing, only that I would prefer to keep elements of religion out of school. If you add creationism, that adds an element of religion and that bothers me.
Sorry, I had to log off for a bit. I see that someone already answered your question...she supports both.
I can't imagine having a kid with no idea about the bible being taught creationism. Isn't creationism considered a theory? Not a science?
That being said, I really don't have much of an idea about the whole creationism thing, only that I would prefer to keep elements of religion out of school. If you add creationism, that adds an element of religion and that bothers me.
evolution is a theory.
thus why it's referred to as the theory of evolution.
so that doesn't matter.
the BIG difference, the important difference imo...is evolution is scientific theory...whereas creationism is a religious theory...and therefore does not belong in a public school classroom. and i agree, letting that in is just creaking open the door for more and more 'religion' to get introduced. creationism has no place in the sceince class....and nor can i thibk of any other class where it would be appropriate.
I apologize if I'm re-iterating things, but I didn't go through all 13 pages...To those that are saying this decision will not have an impact on whether McCain will be able to attack Obama on lack of experience, I disagree entirely. John McCain has put Governor Palin one "heartbeat away from the presidency" (as is often said). Not to be morbid, but if McCain wins in January 2009 someone who is almost 73 years old will be sworn into the presidency. It's a possibility that Palin, due to health issues from McCain. How can McCain tout his experience over Obama's proposals when he cares so little about experience than his second-in-command is the least experienced of the four nominees? Palin has 20 months in the state legislature, two years as mayor of an extremely small town, and two years as Governor, and no other legitimate experience. Obama has eight years in the State Senator, and two years in the U.S. Senate. Additionally, his other experience preparing him include work as a community organizer, civil rights attorney and expert in consitutional law. He has more foreign policy experience than Palin. I don't believe Obama has much 'traditional' experience, but that's not what he's running on. McCain is trying to paint himself as the experienced vet to Obama's empty suit, and his most important campaign decision poked a hole in that argument.
I also think McCain is seriously overestimating the stupidity of many Americans who supported Hillary Clinton. There will certainly be a few crazies who will float over to him due to this choice, but most Clinton supporters will not say "oh, there's a woman on that ticket. Regardless of everything else, I'll vote for them." Some will; the overwhelming majority will not.
Still that being said, out of the three choices he could have made (Romney, Palin, Pawlenty), I think this is the best choice he could have made, as I think Obama made the best choice he could have made with his VP choice. Both candidates chose VP nominees to offset the criticisms made about them (McCain's "more of the same" image, Obama's lack of traditional "Washington" experience), but I think Obama's choice will be more successful.
It's not that extreme. You're making it sound like they're having Sunday School in the science lab. Suggesting creationism as a theory that many (if not most) people believe that's the driving force behind evolution is hardly forcing religion down peoples' throats.
Speaking as someone who has had to deal with management and coworkers who decide to spend half their time at home to take care of their children, do we really want a new mother, especially one dealing with a Downs Syndrome child, to be a heartbeat away from the oval. Basically, this is the anti-Cheney. A VP so disconnected from events that she isn't capable of doing her job.
So are you saying that if you are a mother you should stay at home with your children and not work? I thought liberals were the ones who were all for women in the workforce?
Who cares if she is a mother. Who cares if she has a down syndrome child. Some people need to take a step back and think before they type.
I apologize if I'm re-iterating things, but I didn't go through all 13 pages...To those that are saying this decision will not have an impact on whether McCain will be able to attack Obama on lack of experience, I disagree entirely. John McCain has put Governor Palin one "heartbeat away from the presidency" (as is often said). Not to be morbid, but if McCain wins in January 2009 someone who is almost 73 years old will be sworn into the presidency. It's a possibility that Palin, due to health issues from McCain. How can McCain tout his experience over Obama's proposals when he cares so little about experience than his second-in-command is the least experienced of the four nominees? Palin has 20 months in the state legislature, two years as mayor of an extremely small town, and two years as Governor, and no other legitimate experience. Obama has eight years in the State Senator, and two years in the U.S. Senate. Additionally, his other experience preparing him include work as a community organizer, civil rights attorney and expert in consitutional law. He has more foreign policy experience than Palin. I don't believe Obama has much 'traditional' experience, but that's not what he's running on. McCain is trying to paint himself as the experienced vet to Obama's empty suit, and his most important campaign decision poked a hole in that argument.
I also think McCain is seriously overestimating the stupidity of many Americans who supported Hillary Clinton. There will certainly be a few crazies who will float over to him due to this choice, but most Clinton supporters will not say "oh, there's a woman on that ticket. Regardless of everything else, I'll vote for them." Some will; the overwhelming majority will not.
Still that being said, out of the three choices he could have made (Romney, Palin, Pawlenty), I think this is the best choice he could have made, as I think Obama made the best choice he could have made with his VP choice. Both candidates chose VP nominees to offset the criticisms made about them (McCain's "more of the same" image, Obama's lack of traditional "Washington" experience), but I think Obama's choice will be more successful.
i agree with your points EXCEPT about hillary supporters. ANY supporter of hillary's male or female....NO way will float over to mccain/palin simply b/c he has a female on the ticket. as this thread illustrates, she is a FAR right conservative, meaning NOT at all similar to hillary. NO one who supported hillary will choose a woman like palin imo. it really IS calling many stupid to think by simply waving a female candidate around that in and of itself would be enough. NO WAY. the issues she supports just too disparate, at least imho, for hillary supporters. btw - i realize you said most would not...but it still suggests some may.....and i honestly CANNOT see how someone could go from supporting hillary to supporting palin, it makes no sense. all they do have in common is being female.
It's not that extreme. You're making it sound like they're having Sunday School in the science lab. Suggesting creationism as a theory that many (if not most) people believe that's the driving force behind evolution is hardly forcing religion down peoples' throats.
and to me...it IS. it is opening the door to a religious theory in the public school classroom. it does not belong there....and if it does make it's way in, what will follow in time?
How can McCain tout his experience over Obama's proposals when he cares so little about experience than his second-in-command is the least experienced of the four nominees?
She has two years of executive experience as governor of the State of Alaska. Obama has no executive experience (and many do not - not every Prez is governor beforehand) and very little to point to as accomplishments as one of many senators.
It's not that extreme. You're making it sound like they're having Sunday School in the science lab. Suggesting creationism as a theory that many (if not most) people believe that's the driving force behind evolution is hardly forcing religion down peoples' throats.
"sunday school in science lab"...I didn't mean to make it sound that way. That's just how I feel.
OTE=Solat13]I like her as a pick. She fits the base as strongly pro life and pro NRA but is also against ear marks and wasteful spending, i.e, selling the state jet, cutting ear marks (Bridge to nowhere), and was also a whistle blower on the ethics of other Republicans of the state during her time in the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission.[/quote]
Pro-life and NRA...... ouch...if she was my mother I'd slap her up... What the fuck have conservatives ever done for women...blows me away. Ahh well...
Prepare for massive drilling in alaska if McCain slips in. A smart way to adress our future resource needs... oh yaaaa.... Sorry...she'll support drilling..period.
I apologize if I'm re-iterating things, but I didn't go through all 13 pages...To those that are saying this decision will not have an impact on whether McCain will be able to attack Obama on lack of experience, I disagree entirely. John McCain has put Governor Palin one "heartbeat away from the presidency" (as is often said). Not to be morbid, but if McCain wins in January 2009 someone who is almost 73 years old will be sworn into the presidency. It's a possibility that Palin, due to health issues from McCain. How can McCain tout his experience over Obama's proposals when he cares so little about experience than his second-in-command is the least experienced of the four nominees? Palin has 20 months in the state legislature, two years as mayor of an extremely small town, and two years as Governor, and no other legitimate experience. Obama has eight years in the State Senator, and two years in the U.S. Senate. Additionally, his other experience preparing him include work as a community organizer, civil rights attorney and expert in consitutional law. He has more foreign policy experience than Palin. I don't believe Obama has much 'traditional' experience, but that's not what he's running on. McCain is trying to paint himself as the experienced vet to Obama's empty suit, and his most important campaign decision poked a hole in that argument.
I also think McCain is seriously overestimating the stupidity of many Americans who supported Hillary Clinton. There will certainly be a few crazies who will float over to him due to this choice, but most Clinton supporters will not say "oh, there's a woman on that ticket. Regardless of everything else, I'll vote for them." Some will; the overwhelming majority will not.
Still that being said, out of the three choices he could have made (Romney, Palin, Pawlenty), I think this is the best choice he could have made, as I think Obama made the best choice he could have made with his VP choice. Both candidates chose VP nominees to offset the criticisms made about them (McCain's "more of the same" image, Obama's lack of traditional "Washington" experience), but I think Obama's choice will be more successful.
Say Obama drops dead from a heart attack (i dont wish death on anyone) then you have a senator that has been in Washington for 35 years. Where is your "Change" if that happens.
This debate is rediculous as all presidents have the utmost health care, where it is unlikely they will have a life threataning illness if elected.
She has two years of executive experience as governor of the State of Alaska. Obama has no executive experience (and many do not - not every Prez is governor beforehand) and very little to point to as accomplishments as one of many senators.
OK, so let's do something a little silly, because there is some inference that no government experience matters except for executive experience in this post. Let's say one year of executive experience counts for three of legislative experience. Obama still has more experience than her. And there's no way that being mayor of a town of 4,000 is preparation for the presidency. Obama has made it clear it does not have typical executive experience; lucky for him he has framed his candidacy for different reasons.
I'm not saying that Palin is a bad choice because she has no experience. I am saying McCain has now taken the air out of, thus far, his most successful argument against Obama.
Also, I should point out that John McCain has zero executive experience either.
She has two years of executive experience as governor of the State of Alaska. Obama has no executive experience (and many do not - not every Prez is governor beforehand) and very little to point to as accomplishments as one of many senators.
Yep, every elected president (Ford wasn't elected) had has executive experience either as VP or as a Governor since JFK.
OTE=Solat13]I like her as a pick. She fits the base as strongly pro life and pro NRA but is also against ear marks and wasteful spending, i.e, selling the state jet, cutting ear marks (Bridge to nowhere), and was also a whistle blower on the ethics of other Republicans of the state during her time in the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission.
Pro-life and NRA...... ouch...if she was my mother I'd slap her up... What the fuck have conservatives ever done for women...blows me away. Ahh well...
Prepare for massive drilling in alaska if McCain slips in. A smart way to adress our future resource needs... oh yaaaa.... Sorry...she'll support drilling..period.
Go Barack![/quote]
What have conservatives ever done for women? How about the fellow liberal poster a few posts above suggesting she should stay at home and be a "mother".
It seems the consensus is that Biden & Palin balance out both sides.
Maybe it'll be about the issues this time and not allthe other aesthetics & demonizing?
we can hope. probably ain't gonna happen, but we can hope.
I'm a chick and I can tell ya, that lady is easy on the eyes. Too bad Democrats didn't get Evan Bayh. We would have beat the Repubs on youth and looks alone.
Say Obama drops dead from a heart attack (i dont wish death on anyone) then you have a senator that has been in Washington for 35 years. Where is your "Change" if that happens.
This debate is rediculous as all presidents have the utmost health care, where it is unlikely they will have a life threataning illness if elected.
That goes both ways...McCain drops dead, and where is the much-valued experience he has stressed for this entire campaign? He's made it seem like a risk for my safety if I vote for Obama and should McCain go my safety will be in the hands of the two-year governor of the least populated state in the nation with zero foreign policy experience. Again, I'm not criticizing Palin's experience, or lack thereof. I'm criticizing the hypocrisy of the McCain campaign, and stating how difficult it will be to maintain their message.
This debate is not ridiculous; anything can happen, and it'll much more likely happen to a 75 year old than a 48 year old. Reagan left office in 88, and in 92 he was heading into the midst of Alzheimers.
OK, so let's do something a little silly, because there is some inference that no government experience matters except for executive experience in this post. Let's say one year of executive experience counts for three of legislative experience. Obama still has more experience than her. And there's no way that being mayor of a town of 4,000 is preparation for the presidency. Obama has made it clear it does not have typical executive experience; lucky for him he has framed his candidacy for different reasons.
I'm not saying that Palin is a bad choice because she has no experience. I am saying McCain has now taken the air out of, thus far, his most successful argument against Obama.
Also, I should point out that John McCain has zero executive experience either.
I hope you're only counting 2 years of congressional service for Obama.... since he has spent the rest of the time running for the presidental nomination.
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I hope you're only counting 2 years of congressional service for Obama.... since he has spent the rest of the time running for the presidental nomination.
I think this is the right experience for each...
Eight years in the State Senate.
Two years in the U.S. Senate.
vs.
1 and a half years on City Council
Two years as mayor
Two years as governor
This is discounting experience outside government, in which Obama's list is relatively extensive and Palin's (according to the several biographies I've read) is extremely minimal.
So are you saying that if you are a mother you should stay at home with your children and not work? I thought liberals were the ones who were all for women in the workforce?
Who cares if she is a mother. Who cares if she has a down syndrome child. Some people need to take a step back and think before they type.
I'm saying that a new mother is not always the most engaged coworker. Especially one with a special-needs child. I've seen first-hand what happens when a woman falsely believes she can handle being both a mother and a manager. Somebody else always ends up picking up the slack.
Oh, and I ain't your typical liberal
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I hope you're only counting 2 years of congressional service for Obama.... since he has spent the rest of the time running for the presidental nomination.
*sigh* For the 1,000th time, he was in the Illinois State senate for 7 freaking years. sheesh.
Say Obama drops dead from a heart attack (i dont wish death on anyone) then you have a senator that has been in Washington for 35 years. Where is your "Change" if that happens.
To be fair, Biden has been a fairly independent thinker during his 35 years in Washington.
People are too disillusioned and think everyone that's been in Washington is the same. They're not.
I'm not a gigantic fan of Biden, but he's a far cry better than most any other long term senator and I could certainly live with him as president if something happened to Obama.
And definitely more than I could live with Palin who has no experience on the national stage and very little at the state level. Obama's experience looks outstanding compared to hers, and I'll admit that even his experience level worries me a bit despite me being a firm supporter who has made a few modest donations to his campaign.
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It's a balancing act. If you strongly believe in Obama or McCain, then you're vote should be for them.
If you're on the fence and having a hard time deciding, then the VP choices should be one additional factor you use.
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Sorry, I had to log off for a bit. I see that someone already answered your question...she supports both.
I can't imagine having a kid with no idea about the bible being taught creationism. Isn't creationism considered a theory? Not a science?
That being said, I really don't have much of an idea about the whole creationism thing, only that I would prefer to keep elements of religion out of school. If you add creationism, that adds an element of religion and that bothers me.
Isn't it the theory of evolution?
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evolution is a theory.
thus why it's referred to as the theory of evolution.
so that doesn't matter.
the BIG difference, the important difference imo...is evolution is scientific theory...whereas creationism is a religious theory...and therefore does not belong in a public school classroom. and i agree, letting that in is just creaking open the door for more and more 'religion' to get introduced. creationism has no place in the sceince class....and nor can i thibk of any other class where it would be appropriate.
hells yea.....far right conservative female.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
I also think McCain is seriously overestimating the stupidity of many Americans who supported Hillary Clinton. There will certainly be a few crazies who will float over to him due to this choice, but most Clinton supporters will not say "oh, there's a woman on that ticket. Regardless of everything else, I'll vote for them." Some will; the overwhelming majority will not.
Still that being said, out of the three choices he could have made (Romney, Palin, Pawlenty), I think this is the best choice he could have made, as I think Obama made the best choice he could have made with his VP choice. Both candidates chose VP nominees to offset the criticisms made about them (McCain's "more of the same" image, Obama's lack of traditional "Washington" experience), but I think Obama's choice will be more successful.
So are you saying that if you are a mother you should stay at home with your children and not work? I thought liberals were the ones who were all for women in the workforce?
Who cares if she is a mother. Who cares if she has a down syndrome child. Some people need to take a step back and think before they type.
i agree with your points EXCEPT about hillary supporters. ANY supporter of hillary's male or female....NO way will float over to mccain/palin simply b/c he has a female on the ticket. as this thread illustrates, she is a FAR right conservative, meaning NOT at all similar to hillary. NO one who supported hillary will choose a woman like palin imo. it really IS calling many stupid to think by simply waving a female candidate around that in and of itself would be enough. NO WAY. the issues she supports just too disparate, at least imho, for hillary supporters. btw - i realize you said most would not...but it still suggests some may.....and i honestly CANNOT see how someone could go from supporting hillary to supporting palin, it makes no sense. all they do have in common is being female.
and to me...it IS. it is opening the door to a religious theory in the public school classroom. it does not belong there....and if it does make it's way in, what will follow in time?
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
She has two years of executive experience as governor of the State of Alaska. Obama has no executive experience (and many do not - not every Prez is governor beforehand) and very little to point to as accomplishments as one of many senators.
"sunday school in science lab"...I didn't mean to make it sound that way. That's just how I feel.
I like the civility in this thread. It's refreshing.
Pro-life and NRA...... ouch...if she was my mother I'd slap her up... What the fuck have conservatives ever done for women...blows me away. Ahh well...
Prepare for massive drilling in alaska if McCain slips in. A smart way to adress our future resource needs... oh yaaaa.... Sorry...she'll support drilling..period.
Go Barack!
Say Obama drops dead from a heart attack (i dont wish death on anyone) then you have a senator that has been in Washington for 35 years. Where is your "Change" if that happens.
This debate is rediculous as all presidents have the utmost health care, where it is unlikely they will have a life threataning illness if elected.
OK, so let's do something a little silly, because there is some inference that no government experience matters except for executive experience in this post. Let's say one year of executive experience counts for three of legislative experience. Obama still has more experience than her. And there's no way that being mayor of a town of 4,000 is preparation for the presidency. Obama has made it clear it does not have typical executive experience; lucky for him he has framed his candidacy for different reasons.
I'm not saying that Palin is a bad choice because she has no experience. I am saying McCain has now taken the air out of, thus far, his most successful argument against Obama.
Also, I should point out that John McCain has zero executive experience either.
Yep, every elected president (Ford wasn't elected) had has executive experience either as VP or as a Governor since JFK.
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Pro-life and NRA...... ouch...if she was my mother I'd slap her up... What the fuck have conservatives ever done for women...blows me away. Ahh well...
Prepare for massive drilling in alaska if McCain slips in. A smart way to adress our future resource needs... oh yaaaa.... Sorry...she'll support drilling..period.
Go Barack![/quote]
What have conservatives ever done for women? How about the fellow liberal poster a few posts above suggesting she should stay at home and be a "mother".
Maybe it'll be about the issues this time and not allthe other aesthetics & demonizing?
we can hope. probably ain't gonna happen, but we can hope.
I'm a chick and I can tell ya, that lady is easy on the eyes. Too bad Democrats didn't get Evan Bayh. We would have beat the Repubs on youth and looks alone.
Oh wait...issues...must remain on issues.
That goes both ways...McCain drops dead, and where is the much-valued experience he has stressed for this entire campaign? He's made it seem like a risk for my safety if I vote for Obama and should McCain go my safety will be in the hands of the two-year governor of the least populated state in the nation with zero foreign policy experience. Again, I'm not criticizing Palin's experience, or lack thereof. I'm criticizing the hypocrisy of the McCain campaign, and stating how difficult it will be to maintain their message.
This debate is not ridiculous; anything can happen, and it'll much more likely happen to a 75 year old than a 48 year old. Reagan left office in 88, and in 92 he was heading into the midst of Alzheimers.
hahahahaha....starting the natty's early today fanch?
i mean i hope that happens but c'mon this is america....we're nuts!
I hope you're only counting 2 years of congressional service for Obama.... since he has spent the rest of the time running for the presidental nomination.
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I think this is the right experience for each...
Eight years in the State Senate.
Two years in the U.S. Senate.
vs.
1 and a half years on City Council
Two years as mayor
Two years as governor
This is discounting experience outside government, in which Obama's list is relatively extensive and Palin's (according to the several biographies I've read) is extremely minimal.
I'm saying that a new mother is not always the most engaged coworker. Especially one with a special-needs child. I've seen first-hand what happens when a woman falsely believes she can handle being both a mother and a manager. Somebody else always ends up picking up the slack.
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*sigh* For the 1,000th time, he was in the Illinois State senate for 7 freaking years. sheesh.
I think it was only 8...elected in 96 and elected to the U.S Senate in 2004. Still more than Palin, but not quite that much.
we must have been typing at the same time. I put "12" and edited it to "7".
Sorry 'bout that.
To be fair, Biden has been a fairly independent thinker during his 35 years in Washington.
People are too disillusioned and think everyone that's been in Washington is the same. They're not.
I'm not a gigantic fan of Biden, but he's a far cry better than most any other long term senator and I could certainly live with him as president if something happened to Obama.
And definitely more than I could live with Palin who has no experience on the national stage and very little at the state level. Obama's experience looks outstanding compared to hers, and I'll admit that even his experience level worries me a bit despite me being a firm supporter who has made a few modest donations to his campaign.
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and "phoned in" about half his votes...
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