And in continuing his campaign of change, Obama took as VP a Senator who has been there since the Nixon administration, is a Washington insider and answers at the beck and call of the credit card lobbyists.
Both candidates picked who they think can help them win.
The latter part is true, but Biden has been a very independent thinker and voter during his whole time in Washington.
Not every long term Washingtonite is some brainwashed drone that always votes their party line.
It was a choice to help him win, but in many ways Biden has challenged the system in ways Obama wants to, so it is at least a good pairing.
Someone younger and more directly related to change would have been more true to his messsage, I'll concede that.
But it's not anything like attacking your opponent over and over and over again for lacking experience and then picking someone with vastly less experience as your VP. Especially when you're 72 years old and have a higher chance of dying in office than the average president.
And as anotherclone said, at least he picked someone with the ability and experience to give people confidence they could do the job if something happens to him, rather than being self serving to the point of ignoring that.
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But, Obama chose someone who actually has a life time of political experience to lead the country in the even Obama dies.
I would rather see Biden as President than Palin. It's almost like a no-brainer.
I'm not sure I'd want someone who's plagiarized his stump speech in 1988, ran three times for president garnering 1-2% of the vote each time, got a bill passed in congress that gave credit card companies the freedom to charge whatever rate they want, thinks the Iraq War in 2003 was more justified than the Iraq War in 1991, and piggy backed the Anti-Rave Act to the Amber Alert Bill. I still remember when that happened Ed ripped Biden for doing that at the Spectrum concert in 03.
I said mostly outside the Obama camp, but anyway my larger point was this is not the kind of rhetoric Obama was rallying against last night.
This is just refuting McCain's attacks on his experience. He has no choice but to do that. Look what happened to Kerry when he tried to ignore the swiftboat attacks and other nonsense.
Pointing that out is crucial as it nullifies McCain's ability to attack Obama's lack of experience ever again. It holds no water when he put someone with even less experience one beat of his 72-year-old heart away from the oval office. He can't value experience that much or he wouldn't have made that choice. Hopefully a day or two of this will put to rest these attacks on experience, and allow the campaign to focus on the issues. But I don't see it as against what Obama said last night. He has to defend himself on the attacks from McCain until they stop.
Beyond that one blurb, the rest of that statement does just what he said he'd do--attack the McCain ticket on the issues.
So what I'm reading is that if it comes from the Obama camp it is simply self-defense and doesn't fall into the same category as if it had come from the McCain camp where it would clearly have been an attack.
Perhaps McCain's comments about Obama's lack of experience were simply self-defense from Obama's attacks about his age.
Or maybe both sides are using politics to try to highlight weak points in their opponents. Neither camp walks on water. Let's at least be consistent in classifying this thing called politics.
And I'm starting to get a rash with all of the McCain defending I feel like I'm doing, especially since I'm not even voting for him.
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And in continuing his campaign of change, Obama took as VP a Senator who has been there since the Nixon administration, is a Washington insider and answers at the beck and call of the credit card lobbyists.
Both candidates picked who they think can help them win.
The big difference (and I think it is a big difference) is that in picking Palin, McCain has gone in the exact opposite direction of what his campaign is trying to imply about Obama. When it comes to Biden, Obama is not campaigning on Washington experience, but he choise a fellow nominee who has experience from that world. Given who is in charge (Obama), it doesn't do too much to dilute his message, and helps allay the fears of those who do not feel he has adequate experience. McCain on the other hand has stated time and time again that Obama's policies are not only wrong, but he is in fact "unfit to lead" due to his lack of experience. Now, McCain is saying that should something happen to him, a politician with less government experience than Obama is, according to him, fit to lead. It sounds like the McCain campaign is trying to push the fact that she has executive experience (which also highlights that McCain has no executive experience), but I wonder how successful that will be with people.
Of course, this could all be moot. If Obama is able to convince enough people, as he tried to do last night, that McCain's term would be similar in policy positions and temperment to the past eight years, than this election's going to be over pretty quickly.
So what I'm reading is that if it comes from the Obama camp it is simply self-defense and doesn't fall into the same category as if it had come from the McCain camp where it would clearly have been an attack.
Only when they are clearly in response to an attack from McCain. For the later party, I can recall no attacks from Obama on his age--though I don't pay much attention to what his supporters etc. say.
Just attacks on his years in Washington and being ingrained in the system and unlikely to produce change--which again was touting why his inexperience was a good thing.
Obama's camp had done a better job of staying away from unprovoked attacks and focusing on the issues.
McCain has a harder time as he can't win on the issues. He's too close to Bush on nearly every important issue and too much of the country is fed up with that.
Thus he's resorting to attacks, using Hillary Clinton in his ads, and all other manner of desperation to find a way to sneak out a victory.
Including tabbing a horribly inexperienced VP when one of the biggest thrusts of his campaign, if not THE biggest, has been that Obama is inexperienced and not ready for the job.
Pointing out that hypocrisy is relevant. Though I hope it dies down and isn't brought up again by Obama's camp UNLESS McCain is foolish enough to harp on Obama's inexperience in the future. And I damn sure hope they don't make any kind of unprovoked personal attacks and focus on attacking McCain's stance on the issues. That is the path to the white house.
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I'm not sure I'd want someone who's plagiarized his stump speech in 1988, ran three times for president garnering 1-2% of the vote each time, got a bill passed in congress that gave credit card companies the freedom to charge whatever rate they want, thinks the Iraq War in 2003 was more justified than the Iraq War in 1991, and piggy backed the Anti-Rave Act to the Amber Alert Bill. I still remember when that happened Ed ripped Biden for doing that at the Spectrum concert in 03.
I'm just not a Biden fan.
I can understand that.
So, you would rather have a person with no national experience, no international experience, no legislative experience, and minimal state experience? Especially given the fragile state of the economy and international relations. That makes perfect sense.
I thought we were supposed to be about now? At least that is what the Obama supporters are about. Why are we concerned with his age and when he may die we should be concerned with who is best for the country now.
Liberals are the kings of changing their tune.
Honestly these elections bring the worst out in people & I can't wait for it to be over. I love this country and want us to be the best we can be.
Lets talk about judgment to lead and the choice McCain just made.
McCain is making a choice to win the election, not what is in the best interest of the country. In one of his first real decisions for us to look at and evaluate how he might lead the country, he blew it. In the event he dies, he thinks the best person to replace him is a person with no foreign policy experience, no real national experience and minimal state experience. That is NOT putting your country first. (As he claims every 5 minutes.)
You can't tell me he sat with a list of all the candidates and went, "yeah, I'll go with this lady with no real experience that actually admitted she doesn't know what a VP does".
He's just selfish. That is not putting your country first.
I thought we were supposed to be about now? At least that is what the Obama supporters are about. Why are we concerned with his age and when he may die we should be concerned with who is best for the country now.
For fuck's sake man. Drop the spin.
We're concerned about who's best for the country for the next 4-8 years. Not just tomorrow.
And that's besides the issue, McCain's age isn't an issue for me and I haven't heard Obama attack him on it (just on being entrenched in old washington politics for ages--that is the issue).
This is being brought up as McCain has attacked Obama's lack of experience. So the natural response is "hey asshole, you can't care that much about experience if you're 72 and picked someone with even less experience to be your VP."
They have to point this out as it kills the one attack McCain was doing well on--Obama's lack of experience. He can't talk about that any more without looking like a hypocrit. Just like he can't really call Obama an elitist anymore after the not knowing how many homes he owns fiasco.
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She's from the racist capitol of the world, Sandpoint Idaho to governor of the great white north. she may have problems driving around in DC and being to close to Obama.
I thought we were supposed to be about now? At least that is what the Obama supporters are about. Why are we concerned with his age and when he may die we should be concerned with who is best for the country now.
and while i would LOVE to see a female president...i don't want it to happen 'just' to have a female prsident, but a candidate i believe in. we'll see what hillary has to offer down the road....but NO way would i support a pro-life conservative candidate, ever....male or female.
That is a typical liberal point of view. You claim to be open minded but are in fact VERY, VERY close-minded. So much so in fact, that you would despise a person for wanting babies to live. Craziness.
with this pick, McCain and friends will have a hard time questioning obamas experience, as this pick has none ... with his age, she is litterally a heartbeat away from the oval office.
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But Obama will actually be IN the Oval Office ... with roughly the same level of experience. It will be very hard to say, "SHe's not qualified by being the governor of the largest geographical state in the Union, but I am because I have spent the last four years running for president."
McCain is able to make this pick precisely because Obama is so inexperienced. He can (and already has) play the inexperienced card ... but it reflects that same mirror back on him.
POlitcally, this was a great pick for McCain for a number of reasons.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
She's from the racist capitol of the world, Sandpoint Idaho to governor of the great white north. she may have problems driving around in DC and being to close to Obama.
FUck yeah she's got my vote.
I fuckin love that whole part of the country. That's real America.
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but I certainly don't underestimate the stupidity and ignorance of U.S voters
I'll just say this repubs: do your research! If you vote for a candidate that has a 30% chance of not survuiving his first term due to old age, you better make sure the VP is ready.
That is a typical liberal point of view. You claim to be open minded but are in fact VERY, VERY close-minded. So much so in fact, that you would despise a person for wanting babies to live. Craziness.
How is it closed-minded to not vote for someone you disagree with? I value my many conservative friends, and their opinions, but I would never vote for someone with their values and policy positions for the presidency. That's not close-minded; that's believing what you believe in.
But Obama will actually be IN the Oval Office ... with roughly the same level of experience. It will be very hard to say, "SHe's not qualified by being the governor of the largest geographical state in the Union, but I am because I have spent the last four years running for president."
McCain is able to make this pick precisely because Obama is so inexperienced. He can (and already has) play the inexperienced card ... but it reflects that same mirror back on him.
POlitcally, this was a great pick for McCain for a number of reasons.
See, I think this is going to turn out the opposite way. It's not that I believe Obama has a far more extensive record than Palin. I think it is more extensive, but not by much. So I'll even give you that their records are comparable. I don't think Palin is necessarily unqualified. The Bush cabinet was full of people with tons of Washington experience, and we've seen what that did. However, Obama has not been running on Washington experience and McCain has. McCain will accuse him of not having much "Washington experience" and Obama can respond by saying "Yes, that's true. I believe it's what makes me suited to fix a broken system." However, McCain has run on the fact that Obama is not ready to lead due to the lack of his experience. How can McCain make that claim now, considering his Number 2 choice has a comparable record of experience?
You tell me; in the debates, McCain brings up Obama's legislative experience, and Obama replies that "Senator McCain talks tough about experience, but he must not seem to value it too much, considering the person he chose to be one step from the presidency has an even more paltry record than he accuses me of having." There's no satisfactory answer to that.
I should also mention that if you think it's because she has "executive experience", John McCain does not have any executive experience either. I guess he doesn't think that's too important, either.
Of course, additionally, Obama has much more legislative experience than the past four years in the U.S. Senate, but I've just given up trying to get people to know. It's like people just want to believe, no matter what, that his political career began in 2004.
Looks like McCain is going for Hillary's girls! Smart move.
Not particularly. Most of the Hillary girls are pro-choice; this woman is famously not. I'm a Hillary girl and wouldn't consider voting for anyone that endangers mine and my daughters' rights. I know McCain is hoping this move will get him Hillary voters, but Paliin is ineffective bait. If he had chosen a more centrist woman on the issue of abortion, then he might have had something. As it is, with this woman and himself both clear threats to the right to choose, I think it was a stupid move politically. All he's going to do is make people who were already going to be voting for him happier to vote for him. He doesn't need those people...he has them! Hillary girls aren't dying to vote for just any woman. PLUS, McCain now loses an important wedge...he can't very well go on about how Obama isn't ready for the presidency, when he would partner with Palin, someone with as much as, or less experience, than Obama.
I'm happy as a clam he did pick Palin because I think it will serve the Democrats well.
She was praised by the pro-life community for giving birth to a child with downs syndrome even after undergoing genetic testing. She gave birth 4 months ago.
You would think she'd want to spend some time with this new child who needs her attention rather than gallivanting across the country running for VP.
Maybe she'll take Clinton supporters who vote solely on anatomy, but none that actually care about issues.
Bad pick. Hillary supporters WILL NOT swing any states. They might be spread out across the country, but they will now swing states. I think McCain just gave up on PA with this pick. Possibly the oldest President at the time of being sworn in, is selecting a female from Alaska with no foreign relations experience AT ALL in the times we live in no just makes no sense at all.
Hillary supporters are primarily pro-choice feminists. An anti-choice candidate, no matter how many skirts or pantsuits she owns, isn't going to get Hillary voters to vote McCain. However, I do think that Hillary voters are going to swing states...all those big states Hillary took...if they don't vote Obama, they're gonna swing McCain. The thing is, most Hillary voters will go directly to Obama because there's about a hair's breadth of difference between Obama and Hillary. We've lost 31 flavors of Democrat, but if you want ice cream, you want Obama, not a poor imitation.
Personally, I don't want a woman that can handle a firearm.
And that brings me to another point, not said in jest, that many conservative men will probably not be happy with the thought of a woman a heart-beat away from the presidency--a woman with no more experience than Obama...and possibly less. McCain might put off a few conservative men with this choice to further weaken Palin as a pick.
I look forward to learning even more about her and hope she can help be the future of the republican party.
I can see it know...Obama talks of change then picks a guy that's been in the Senate since 1972 to be his top white guy. While McCain's first major decision as a presidential candiate is picking a woman VP...which of those is change?
I'm pretty excited for the next couple of months.
Actually, i think it just says that republicans will once again count on the ignorance and laziness of the american people...nothing more nothing less.
If he had chosen a more centrist woman on the issue of abortion, then he might have had something.
You realize women are more pro-life than men are? although the difference is not very large. (See Morris Fiorina 2001 and 2004).
One of the biggest myths is that being pro-life turns off female voters. If Palin were to turn off female voters, it would be her economic stances.
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
And that brings me to another point, not said in jest, that many conservative men will probably not be happy with the thought of a woman a heart-beat away from the presidency.
it must be depressing to live in such a twisted, alternative universe.
take a step back from the group think and identity politics...
the left ARE the divisive ones, constantly playing groups against one another..."drilling for fear" you are constantly projecting your own whacked out view of the reality of the world on the other side and BASELESSLY paint them as racists, sexists, bigots, and homophobes...it's become tiresome. get a new strategy.
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
why do people think her being pro-life will matter? they won't overturn roe v wade...
my point is that the issue of life is not a "women's" issue. women are more pro-life than men. women are more likely to be libs b/c of economic policies.
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
I certainly don't underestimate the stupidity and ignorance of U.S voters
My heart disagrees with the idea that American voters are stupid...i have great belief in the American individual...
but when you have so many people who think that Bill Clinton was impeached b/c he got a blow job and you have so many people that actually think Bush won 2004 because of gay marriage initiatives...
you are right, there is a certain portion of the American electorate that IS stupid.
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
why do people think her being pro-life will matter? they won't overturn roe v wade...
Fuckin' A! The sooner everyone else gets a clue and realize this, then no one will be scared into thinking that Roe v Wade will be overturned. It's a favorite debate topic, that's all it is. It's too crucial of a hot button to continue to be used to keep people in line.
It ain't going nowhere.
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I forgot who among us introduced me to WomenForJohnMcCain.com but today's story is SOOOO GREAT
Meet Sarah Palin
August 29, 2008
Women for John McCain are proud to welcome John McCain’s pick for Vice President of the United States of America, Sarah Palin - proving that John McCain and the Republican Party are only a quarter century behind the Democrats when it comes to women.
There she is... Miss Alaska Runner Up... With less experience than Dan Quayle, Sarah Palin will be stiff debate competition for Joe Biden.
Only a true Maverick™ like John McCain could make a bold choice like Sarah Palin to be one heartbeat away from the presidency of a 72 year old, four-time cancer patient who “could” live through his own presidency:
U.S. life expectancy at birth is about 78 years…[f]or a seventy-something president, that could work out to two terms in office.
As Palin said in an interview with CNBC one month ago today, “As for that VP talk all the time, I’ll tell you, I still can’t answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day?”
Currently under an Alaska state ethics investigation, and with a reputation as a temperamental “Barracuda” with “a predatory instinct that Palin could turn on friend as well as foe” complementing McCain’s reputation as “McNasty” and “Senator Hothead“, Sarah Palin brings broad appeal and a record of qualification and experience to the ticket that the Obama-Biden campaign can’t hope to match.
Sarah Palin appeals to a crucial swing voter constituency in this election: militantly anti-choice, anti gay rights, disaffected Hillary Clinton supporters who favor teaching creationism in public schools, are lifetime, card-carrying NRA members, supported Pat Buchanan’s run for president, and support oil drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge as their signature issue.
“…Senator McCain is wrong on that issue. …I think those politicians who don’t understand that… you know, they’re living in La-La Land. And we’re in a world of hurt if their agenda continues…”
John McCain knows a thing or two about former beauty queens decades younger than he is. As former Miss Wasilla, Sarah Palin played the flute, won the title of “Miss Congeniality”, and went on to place second in the Miss Alaska competition, before going on to work “short stints as a television sportscaster for Anchorage stations, ‘between babies’,” (Palin is considered a hero by anti-abortion activists for carrying her fifth child to term after early prenatal tests revealed the baby would be born with Down Syndrome) and doing a winter style photoshoot for Vogue.
The strategy of the John McCain campaign has been based on portraying Obama as inexperienced - and with over one year of experience as the governor of the nation’s 47th most populous state, extensive military experience defending our nation from the looming threat of invasion by Siberian Yupiks - and previous executive experience as part-time mayor and city council member of the city of Wasilla, Alaska (population 5,500), Sarah Palin adds major foreign policy heft to the ticket, as the woman who will be a heartbeat away from the presidency.
With this choice, McCain is signaling that he is preparing for ideological battle, appealing to the far-right social conservative base that he called “agents of intolerance” when he ran against George Bush in 2000.
They hope to attract women who don’t know her, and perhaps even some who don’t yet believe that women’s reproductive health is genuinely threatened by policies reducing access to contraception currently proposed by the Bush Administration, and by the promise to overturn Roe v. Wade that McCain has underscored with Palin’s selection.
Conservative icon Pat Buchanan called Palin’s selection, “the biggest political gamble, just about, in American political history. This will energize the base.” Palin was a supporter of Pat Buchanan when he ran for President.
Former Republican Congressman and host of MSNBC’s Morning Joe, Joe Scarborough said, “If John McCain’s campaign thinks he can get Hillary Clinton voters by choosing Palin it is condescending and insulting to women and it is a terrible political faux pax.”
No announcement has yet been made regarding Mitt, Tim, Bobby, Joe and Mike commiserating with Carol McCain for being abandoned for a much younger former beauty queen.
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The latter part is true, but Biden has been a very independent thinker and voter during his whole time in Washington.
Not every long term Washingtonite is some brainwashed drone that always votes their party line.
It was a choice to help him win, but in many ways Biden has challenged the system in ways Obama wants to, so it is at least a good pairing.
Someone younger and more directly related to change would have been more true to his messsage, I'll concede that.
But it's not anything like attacking your opponent over and over and over again for lacking experience and then picking someone with vastly less experience as your VP. Especially when you're 72 years old and have a higher chance of dying in office than the average president.
And as anotherclone said, at least he picked someone with the ability and experience to give people confidence they could do the job if something happens to him, rather than being self serving to the point of ignoring that.
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I'm not sure I'd want someone who's plagiarized his stump speech in 1988, ran three times for president garnering 1-2% of the vote each time, got a bill passed in congress that gave credit card companies the freedom to charge whatever rate they want, thinks the Iraq War in 2003 was more justified than the Iraq War in 1991, and piggy backed the Anti-Rave Act to the Amber Alert Bill. I still remember when that happened Ed ripped Biden for doing that at the Spectrum concert in 03.
I'm just not a Biden fan.
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So what I'm reading is that if it comes from the Obama camp it is simply self-defense and doesn't fall into the same category as if it had come from the McCain camp where it would clearly have been an attack.
Perhaps McCain's comments about Obama's lack of experience were simply self-defense from Obama's attacks about his age.
Or maybe both sides are using politics to try to highlight weak points in their opponents. Neither camp walks on water. Let's at least be consistent in classifying this thing called politics.
And I'm starting to get a rash with all of the McCain defending I feel like I'm doing, especially since I'm not even voting for him.
The big difference (and I think it is a big difference) is that in picking Palin, McCain has gone in the exact opposite direction of what his campaign is trying to imply about Obama. When it comes to Biden, Obama is not campaigning on Washington experience, but he choise a fellow nominee who has experience from that world. Given who is in charge (Obama), it doesn't do too much to dilute his message, and helps allay the fears of those who do not feel he has adequate experience. McCain on the other hand has stated time and time again that Obama's policies are not only wrong, but he is in fact "unfit to lead" due to his lack of experience. Now, McCain is saying that should something happen to him, a politician with less government experience than Obama is, according to him, fit to lead. It sounds like the McCain campaign is trying to push the fact that she has executive experience (which also highlights that McCain has no executive experience), but I wonder how successful that will be with people.
Of course, this could all be moot. If Obama is able to convince enough people, as he tried to do last night, that McCain's term would be similar in policy positions and temperment to the past eight years, than this election's going to be over pretty quickly.
Only when they are clearly in response to an attack from McCain. For the later party, I can recall no attacks from Obama on his age--though I don't pay much attention to what his supporters etc. say.
Just attacks on his years in Washington and being ingrained in the system and unlikely to produce change--which again was touting why his inexperience was a good thing.
Obama's camp had done a better job of staying away from unprovoked attacks and focusing on the issues.
McCain has a harder time as he can't win on the issues. He's too close to Bush on nearly every important issue and too much of the country is fed up with that.
Thus he's resorting to attacks, using Hillary Clinton in his ads, and all other manner of desperation to find a way to sneak out a victory.
Including tabbing a horribly inexperienced VP when one of the biggest thrusts of his campaign, if not THE biggest, has been that Obama is inexperienced and not ready for the job.
Pointing out that hypocrisy is relevant. Though I hope it dies down and isn't brought up again by Obama's camp UNLESS McCain is foolish enough to harp on Obama's inexperience in the future. And I damn sure hope they don't make any kind of unprovoked personal attacks and focus on attacking McCain's stance on the issues. That is the path to the white house.
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I can understand that.
So, you would rather have a person with no national experience, no international experience, no legislative experience, and minimal state experience? Especially given the fragile state of the economy and international relations. That makes perfect sense.
Liberals are the kings of changing their tune.
Honestly these elections bring the worst out in people & I can't wait for it to be over. I love this country and want us to be the best we can be.
For fuck's sake man. Drop the spin.
We're concerned about who's best for the country for the next 4-8 years. Not just tomorrow.
And that's besides the issue, McCain's age isn't an issue for me and I haven't heard Obama attack him on it (just on being entrenched in old washington politics for ages--that is the issue).
This is being brought up as McCain has attacked Obama's lack of experience. So the natural response is "hey asshole, you can't care that much about experience if you're 72 and picked someone with even less experience to be your VP."
They have to point this out as it kills the one attack McCain was doing well on--Obama's lack of experience. He can't talk about that any more without looking like a hypocrit. Just like he can't really call Obama an elitist anymore after the not knowing how many homes he owns fiasco.
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broadgeneralizationmuch?
That is a typical liberal point of view. You claim to be open minded but are in fact VERY, VERY close-minded. So much so in fact, that you would despise a person for wanting babies to live. Craziness.
But Obama will actually be IN the Oval Office ... with roughly the same level of experience. It will be very hard to say, "SHe's not qualified by being the governor of the largest geographical state in the Union, but I am because I have spent the last four years running for president."
McCain is able to make this pick precisely because Obama is so inexperienced. He can (and already has) play the inexperienced card ... but it reflects that same mirror back on him.
POlitcally, this was a great pick for McCain for a number of reasons.
for the least they could possibly do
FUck yeah she's got my vote.
I fuckin love that whole part of the country. That's real America.
-Enoch Powell
umm, no.
but I certainly don't underestimate the stupidity and ignorance of U.S voters
I'll just say this repubs: do your research! If you vote for a candidate that has a 30% chance of not survuiving his first term due to old age, you better make sure the VP is ready.
How is it closed-minded to not vote for someone you disagree with? I value my many conservative friends, and their opinions, but I would never vote for someone with their values and policy positions for the presidency. That's not close-minded; that's believing what you believe in.
See, I think this is going to turn out the opposite way. It's not that I believe Obama has a far more extensive record than Palin. I think it is more extensive, but not by much. So I'll even give you that their records are comparable. I don't think Palin is necessarily unqualified. The Bush cabinet was full of people with tons of Washington experience, and we've seen what that did. However, Obama has not been running on Washington experience and McCain has. McCain will accuse him of not having much "Washington experience" and Obama can respond by saying "Yes, that's true. I believe it's what makes me suited to fix a broken system." However, McCain has run on the fact that Obama is not ready to lead due to the lack of his experience. How can McCain make that claim now, considering his Number 2 choice has a comparable record of experience?
You tell me; in the debates, McCain brings up Obama's legislative experience, and Obama replies that "Senator McCain talks tough about experience, but he must not seem to value it too much, considering the person he chose to be one step from the presidency has an even more paltry record than he accuses me of having." There's no satisfactory answer to that.
I should also mention that if you think it's because she has "executive experience", John McCain does not have any executive experience either. I guess he doesn't think that's too important, either.
Of course, additionally, Obama has much more legislative experience than the past four years in the U.S. Senate, but I've just given up trying to get people to know. It's like people just want to believe, no matter what, that his political career began in 2004.
Not particularly. Most of the Hillary girls are pro-choice; this woman is famously not. I'm a Hillary girl and wouldn't consider voting for anyone that endangers mine and my daughters' rights. I know McCain is hoping this move will get him Hillary voters, but Paliin is ineffective bait. If he had chosen a more centrist woman on the issue of abortion, then he might have had something. As it is, with this woman and himself both clear threats to the right to choose, I think it was a stupid move politically. All he's going to do is make people who were already going to be voting for him happier to vote for him. He doesn't need those people...he has them! Hillary girls aren't dying to vote for just any woman. PLUS, McCain now loses an important wedge...he can't very well go on about how Obama isn't ready for the presidency, when he would partner with Palin, someone with as much as, or less experience, than Obama.
I'm happy as a clam he did pick Palin because I think it will serve the Democrats well.
You would think she'd want to spend some time with this new child who needs her attention rather than gallivanting across the country running for VP.
Maybe she'll take Clinton supporters who vote solely on anatomy, but none that actually care about issues.
Hillary supporters are primarily pro-choice feminists. An anti-choice candidate, no matter how many skirts or pantsuits she owns, isn't going to get Hillary voters to vote McCain. However, I do think that Hillary voters are going to swing states...all those big states Hillary took...if they don't vote Obama, they're gonna swing McCain. The thing is, most Hillary voters will go directly to Obama because there's about a hair's breadth of difference between Obama and Hillary. We've lost 31 flavors of Democrat, but if you want ice cream, you want Obama, not a poor imitation.
And that brings me to another point, not said in jest, that many conservative men will probably not be happy with the thought of a woman a heart-beat away from the presidency--a woman with no more experience than Obama...and possibly less. McCain might put off a few conservative men with this choice to further weaken Palin as a pick.
Actually, i think it just says that republicans will once again count on the ignorance and laziness of the american people...nothing more nothing less.
You realize women are more pro-life than men are? although the difference is not very large. (See Morris Fiorina 2001 and 2004).
One of the biggest myths is that being pro-life turns off female voters. If Palin were to turn off female voters, it would be her economic stances.
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
it must be depressing to live in such a twisted, alternative universe.
take a step back from the group think and identity politics...
the left ARE the divisive ones, constantly playing groups against one another..."drilling for fear" you are constantly projecting your own whacked out view of the reality of the world on the other side and BASELESSLY paint them as racists, sexists, bigots, and homophobes...it's become tiresome. get a new strategy.
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
my point is that the issue of life is not a "women's" issue. women are more pro-life than men. women are more likely to be libs b/c of economic policies.
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
My heart disagrees with the idea that American voters are stupid...i have great belief in the American individual...
but when you have so many people who think that Bill Clinton was impeached b/c he got a blow job and you have so many people that actually think Bush won 2004 because of gay marriage initiatives...
you are right, there is a certain portion of the American electorate that IS stupid.
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Fuckin' A! The sooner everyone else gets a clue and realize this, then no one will be scared into thinking that Roe v Wade will be overturned. It's a favorite debate topic, that's all it is. It's too crucial of a hot button to continue to be used to keep people in line.
It ain't going nowhere.
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Meet Sarah Palin
August 29, 2008
Women for John McCain are proud to welcome John McCain’s pick for Vice President of the United States of America, Sarah Palin - proving that John McCain and the Republican Party are only a quarter century behind the Democrats when it comes to women.
There she is... Miss Alaska Runner Up... With less experience than Dan Quayle, Sarah Palin will be stiff debate competition for Joe Biden.
Only a true Maverick™ like John McCain could make a bold choice like Sarah Palin to be one heartbeat away from the presidency of a 72 year old, four-time cancer patient who “could” live through his own presidency:
U.S. life expectancy at birth is about 78 years…[f]or a seventy-something president, that could work out to two terms in office.
As Palin said in an interview with CNBC one month ago today, “As for that VP talk all the time, I’ll tell you, I still can’t answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day?”
Currently under an Alaska state ethics investigation, and with a reputation as a temperamental “Barracuda” with “a predatory instinct that Palin could turn on friend as well as foe” complementing McCain’s reputation as “McNasty” and “Senator Hothead“, Sarah Palin brings broad appeal and a record of qualification and experience to the ticket that the Obama-Biden campaign can’t hope to match.
Sarah Palin appeals to a crucial swing voter constituency in this election: militantly anti-choice, anti gay rights, disaffected Hillary Clinton supporters who favor teaching creationism in public schools, are lifetime, card-carrying NRA members, supported Pat Buchanan’s run for president, and support oil drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge as their signature issue.
“…Senator McCain is wrong on that issue. …I think those politicians who don’t understand that… you know, they’re living in La-La Land. And we’re in a world of hurt if their agenda continues…”
John McCain knows a thing or two about former beauty queens decades younger than he is. As former Miss Wasilla, Sarah Palin played the flute, won the title of “Miss Congeniality”, and went on to place second in the Miss Alaska competition, before going on to work “short stints as a television sportscaster for Anchorage stations, ‘between babies’,” (Palin is considered a hero by anti-abortion activists for carrying her fifth child to term after early prenatal tests revealed the baby would be born with Down Syndrome) and doing a winter style photoshoot for Vogue.
The strategy of the John McCain campaign has been based on portraying Obama as inexperienced - and with over one year of experience as the governor of the nation’s 47th most populous state, extensive military experience defending our nation from the looming threat of invasion by Siberian Yupiks - and previous executive experience as part-time mayor and city council member of the city of Wasilla, Alaska (population 5,500), Sarah Palin adds major foreign policy heft to the ticket, as the woman who will be a heartbeat away from the presidency.
With this choice, McCain is signaling that he is preparing for ideological battle, appealing to the far-right social conservative base that he called “agents of intolerance” when he ran against George Bush in 2000.
They hope to attract women who don’t know her, and perhaps even some who don’t yet believe that women’s reproductive health is genuinely threatened by policies reducing access to contraception currently proposed by the Bush Administration, and by the promise to overturn Roe v. Wade that McCain has underscored with Palin’s selection.
Conservative icon Pat Buchanan called Palin’s selection, “the biggest political gamble, just about, in American political history. This will energize the base.” Palin was a supporter of Pat Buchanan when he ran for President.
Former Republican Congressman and host of MSNBC’s Morning Joe, Joe Scarborough said, “If John McCain’s campaign thinks he can get Hillary Clinton voters by choosing Palin it is condescending and insulting to women and it is a terrible political faux pax.”
No announcement has yet been made regarding Mitt, Tim, Bobby, Joe and Mike commiserating with Carol McCain for being abandoned for a much younger former beauty queen.