It was a very interesting move that now needs to shift the debate away from age/experience/insider/etc...
On both tickets are old, white, Washington insider males. On both tickets are people with vast experience. On both sides are candidates with little experience but lots of energy and enthusiasm. On both sides we find an underrepresented class of voter. On both sides we find young, good looking candidates standing next to old wrinkly men.
So hopefully we can move past the shallow analysis we've seen too much of, and start worrying about substance.
Good point but since neither candidate offers much substance I highly doubt it will move past that.
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It was a very interesting move that now needs to shift the debate away from age/experience/insider/etc...
On both tickets are old, white, Washington insider males. On both tickets are people with vast experience. On both sides are candidates with little experience but lots of energy and enthusiasm. On both sides we find an underrepresented class of voter. On both sides we find young, good looking candidates standing next to old wrinkly men.
So hopefully we can move past the shallow analysis we've seen too much of, and start worrying about substance.
Well said. I agree. But being neutral here, I think that Biden compliments a campaign of change better than Palin does experience.
Further back and forth a wave will break on me, today...
She is in an ethics situation now with her sister's ex-husband, and this will bring more attention to the state of Alaska and probably Ted Steven's mess.
Sure, the conservatives will come out, but he just gave the finger to the independent swing voters that could have helped him. After 8 terrible years based on ideology, I don't think going to the well one more time will work.
And while it is only a VP pick, I can't see the McCain camp still being able to use the experience arguement against Obama.
Yes those are major ethics violations, give me a break. If her name was Clinton those would be considered minor transgressions. Obama is from Chicago the home of questionable politics/ethics. If that is the best they have against her then bring it on. I love the pick. A lot of those Hillary supporters in Ohio and PA were Catholic blue collar voters. McCain just peeled some of them his way AKA the Reagan democrats, the same block Obama is having a tough time appealing to. Obama to me carries himself and acts like he knows it all. He is like the athlete on the field who has no clue but thinks he is the star of the team. I laugh every time I see him and it is funny to see how mindless people buy into someone like him.
mixed race dude goes with the older white guy to 'balance' himself out....the old white guy goes with a female to 'balance' himself out. interesting, interesting. of course, i am more interested in who the president is....so no swaying with VP choices. obama is it for me. i just hope that as many say lots are voting for obama simply b/c he is black :rolleyes:...no one is 'dazzled' simply by the idea of a female VP. sure, mccain is old, so she could get the top job.....but none the less.......she still is 'only' VP....so go with the prez candidate of importance!
to the post above, most women will go with the presidential candidate who BESt represents women's rights/choices....and that would be obama by a landslide over mccain, no matter who he chose for VP.
kinda what i was thinking. whatever else mccain's choice does, it takes a little thunder from obama's claims that this is same old. if mccain had picked another old white dude, i think he was a goner. but just having a woman helps people recall a little bit of his "maverick" reputation from 8 years ago. i think it was a good call on his part. independent voters won't know she's a hard-line nutcase, they'll just see mccain has a younger woman as a running mate and then obama's claims that the repubs are just the same old party of old white folks will be that much less effective.
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The thing is that among Catholic registered Dems, Hillary was by far the preferred choice to Obama. Hillary got soemthing like over 70% of Catholic voters in the PA primary. Palin, being a woman and pro-life may attract a good number over to the right when the alternative is Obama who beat their first choice and Biden who like Kerry and Pelosi is another Pro-Choice Catholic.
well while in living in a dem state, i live in a VERY republican county - listen to the uniondale boot. so perhaps my view of catholic voters is skewed a bit by that.
and...that makes a lot of sense, and also why i think it WILL be a tough race! this choice ups the ante!
kinda what i was thinking. whatever else mccain's choice does, it takes a little thunder from obama's claims that this is same old. if mccain had picked another old white dude, i think he was a goner. but just having a woman helps people recall a little bit of his "maverick" reputation from 8 years ago. i think it was a good call on his part. independent voters won't know she's a hard-line nutcase, they'll just see mccain has a younger woman as a running mate and then obama's claims that the repubs are just the same old party of old white folks will be that much less effective.
that made me laugh. i don't know if she's a hard-line nutcase...really don't know anything about her but what i've read today. she definitely sounds hard-line to me....so we shall see.
old white man and young vibrant woman in the oval office...sounds pretty typical to me.
*boom-crash*
If Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin got the job as running mate for Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), count her as one of the most surprised.
In an interview just a month ago, she dissed the job, saying it didn’t seem “productive.”
In fact, she said she doesn’t know what the vice president does.
Larry Kudlow of CNBC’s “Kudlow & Co.” asked her about the possibility of becoming McCain's ticket mate.
Palin replied: “As for that VP talk all the time, I’ll tell you, I still can’t answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day? I’m used to being very productive and working real hard in an administration. We want to make sure that that VP slot would be a fruitful type of position, especially for Alaskans and for the things that we’re trying to accomplish up here for the rest of the U.S., before I can even start addressing that question.”
But it also points to a huge negative for her: It robs Republicans of their most effective argument against Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) — that he lacks experience.
Before Palin’s election in December 2006 as the state’s first woman governor, she served terms on the city council of Wasilla, Alaska (population 6,700), and two terms as the mayor/manager of Wasilla.
Right now this is a good pick as it strengthens McCain among women swing voters and disgruntled Hillary supporters. Also helps respond to attacks that McCain is just old Washington politics.
But long term it could backfire as it's putting someone with very limited political experience, in a sparsely populated state at that, on the biggest and most vicious political stage in the world.
How will she do with the pressure and constant attacks on the campaign trail? Will she slip up and say something damaging?
How will she do in debates against the uber-experienced Joe Biden?
There area lot of questions when you have someone no experience in national politics being thrust in the biggest political spotlight in the world.
It will be interesting to see how she does.
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Considering her dad was a science teacher and her husband a commercial fisherman and oil rig worker probably not too many.
Her father was a science teacher? Science? The religion of the godless. Please tell me it was for a government school. There has to be a way to exploit that.
Wait for it...
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mccain picked himself a female who's views mirror his own...old white guy views......pro-life, pro-NRA, and least that is what i am reading so far....so not much 'change' there...except for gender. those who think hillary supporters will go ga-ga over this choice, grossly underestimate women. women will not chooce a woman simply b/c she is a woman. they choose a candidate at least partly based on what he/she offers FOR women, and a prolifer is NOT the choice most women, and most certainly not hillary supporters...would choose. hell, i am a woman and i have been thinking obama for a long time now.
I second that. You are absolutely correct. I was a Hillary supporter, but no way in hell would I go for this ticket!
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Good point but since neither candidate offers much substance I highly doubt it will move past that.
Nice pick with a woman all about big oil John...dumbass
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This I agree with...just as talking heads on CNN insinuate that Palin should stay home and raise her 5 kids. Good ole liberal elitism...
Yes those are major ethics violations, give me a break. If her name was Clinton those would be considered minor transgressions. Obama is from Chicago the home of questionable politics/ethics. If that is the best they have against her then bring it on. I love the pick. A lot of those Hillary supporters in Ohio and PA were Catholic blue collar voters. McCain just peeled some of them his way AKA the Reagan democrats, the same block Obama is having a tough time appealing to. Obama to me carries himself and acts like he knows it all. He is like the athlete on the field who has no clue but thinks he is the star of the team. I laugh every time I see him and it is funny to see how mindless people buy into someone like him.
I guess it's going to be tough for McCain to go on the experience card anymore.
kinda what i was thinking. whatever else mccain's choice does, it takes a little thunder from obama's claims that this is same old. if mccain had picked another old white dude, i think he was a goner. but just having a woman helps people recall a little bit of his "maverick" reputation from 8 years ago. i think it was a good call on his part. independent voters won't know she's a hard-line nutcase, they'll just see mccain has a younger woman as a running mate and then obama's claims that the repubs are just the same old party of old white folks will be that much less effective.
Yup, just as Obama's pick made it tough for his campaign to play the age/health card or the Washington Insider card anymore.
I guess Biden being in the pocket of the credit card companies is much better.
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well while in living in a dem state, i live in a VERY republican county - listen to the uniondale boot.
and...that makes a lot of sense, and also why i think it WILL be a tough race! this choice ups the ante!
Let's just breathe...
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She definitely is an Alaskan Cougar.
The campaign signs should read McCain/MILF 08.
that made me laugh. i don't know if she's a hard-line nutcase...really don't know anything about her but what i've read today. she definitely sounds hard-line to me....so we shall see.
old white man and young vibrant woman in the oval office...sounds pretty typical to me.
*boom-crash*
and yes...just a joke folks!
seriously...
it's just smart, smart, smart.
that is just all kinds of wrong..and yet, still ridicuously funny....:p
Let's just breathe...
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I want one of those bumber stickers!
McCain just secured Florida and Ohio.
You just got Fanch's vote.
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If Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin got the job as running mate for Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), count her as one of the most surprised.
In an interview just a month ago, she dissed the job, saying it didn’t seem “productive.”
In fact, she said she doesn’t know what the vice president does.
Larry Kudlow of CNBC’s “Kudlow & Co.” asked her about the possibility of becoming McCain's ticket mate.
Palin replied: “As for that VP talk all the time, I’ll tell you, I still can’t answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day? I’m used to being very productive and working real hard in an administration. We want to make sure that that VP slot would be a fruitful type of position, especially for Alaskans and for the things that we’re trying to accomplish up here for the rest of the U.S., before I can even start addressing that question.”
But it also points to a huge negative for her: It robs Republicans of their most effective argument against Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) — that he lacks experience.
Before Palin’s election in December 2006 as the state’s first woman governor, she served terms on the city council of Wasilla, Alaska (population 6,700), and two terms as the mayor/manager of Wasilla.
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But long term it could backfire as it's putting someone with very limited political experience, in a sparsely populated state at that, on the biggest and most vicious political stage in the world.
How will she do with the pressure and constant attacks on the campaign trail? Will she slip up and say something damaging?
How will she do in debates against the uber-experienced Joe Biden?
There area lot of questions when you have someone no experience in national politics being thrust in the biggest political spotlight in the world.
It will be interesting to see how she does.
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Well, there is only one VP debate and that's over a month away. I think the Reps will make sure she does better than Dan Qualye.
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Biden: "I know Hillary Clinton. I've worked with Hillary Clinton. And you're no Hillary Clinton."
How many actually remember the Edwards v Chaney debate? Anyone? Or any VP debate (except when Ross Perot was running).
The only way these VPs make a big difference is if they screw up ...
This election will be Obama v McCain ... don't get caught up in the hype.
the best thing this selection did was completely knock Obama and his speech off the top of the news wires.
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Her father was a science teacher? Science? The religion of the godless. Please tell me it was for a government school. There has to be a way to exploit that.
Wait for it...
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Wow, that's encouraging. Not.
I second that. You are absolutely correct. I was a Hillary supporter, but no way in hell would I go for this ticket!