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whitepantswhitepants Posts: 727
edited August 2008 in A Moving Train
Looks like McCain is going for Hillary's girls! Smart move.
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  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    What a gamble... As an Obama supporter, I am thrilled with the pick. I think this choice will end up burning McCain.
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  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    blackredyellow wrote:
    What a gamble... As an Obama supporter, I am thrilled with the pick. I think this choice will end up burning McCain.


    I think you think that because you arent thinking clearly
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    Bad pick. Hillary supporters WILL NOT swing any states. They might be spread out across the country, but they will now swing states. I think McCain just gave up on PA with this pick. Possibly the oldest President at the time of being sworn in, is selecting a female from Alaska with no foreign relations experience AT ALL in the times we live in no just makes no sense at all.
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  • Uncle LeoUncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    WOW!

    I figured McCain would play it safe and go for Pawlenty. This election is his to lose. And he picks a woman and not that well known of one either.

    It's probably a good pick. IIRC, she's a pretty hard core conservative and will provide the social conservatism he needs to attract the righties that do not trust him.

    It's truly historic. A female vice president.* Done and Done. Maybe even a female president. McCain is not a young man.

    *OK, at this point, it's truly historic because it's a female VP or a black president. But the idea of Obama winning has never even occurred to me.

    And I know on this board (as compared to the other one I am on), I am more likely to get flamed for this, but I am sorry it is. These two positions have been held by white males forever. For several reasons, one of which is not because the most qualified people have always been white males. (Then again, neither Obama or Palin is really qualified, anyway but neither are the white males that would have been there in their stead).

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  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    ledvedderman wrote:
    Bad pick. Hillary supporters WILL NOT swing any states. They might be spread out across the country, but they will now swing states. I think McCain just gave up on PA with this pick. Possibly the oldest President at the time of being sworn in, is selecting a female from Alaska with no foreign relations experience AT ALL in the times we live in no just makes no sense at all.


    dude.... the first female vice president... ya women won't jump on this one

    ????

    are you fucking kidding me!?
  • decides2dreamdecides2dream Posts: 14,977
    VERY strategic.


    mixed race dude goes with the older white guy to 'balance' himself out....the old white guy goes with a female to 'balance' himself out. interesting, interesting. of course, i am more interested in who the president is....so no swaying with VP choices. obama is it for me. i just hope that as many say lots are voting for obama simply b/c he is black :rolleyes:...no one is 'dazzled' simply by the idea of a female VP. sure, mccain is old, so she could get the top job.....but none the less.......she still is 'only' VP....so go with the prez candidate of importance!

    to the post above, most women will go with the presidential candidate who BESt represents women's rights/choices....and that would be obama by a landslide over mccain, no matter who he chose for VP.
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  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    I like her as a pick. She fits the base as strongly pro life and pro NRA but is also against ear marks and wasteful spending, i.e, selling the state jet, cutting ear marks (Bridge to nowhere), and was also a whistle blower on the ethics of other Republicans of the state during her time in the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
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    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
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  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    decides2dream wrote:
    VERY strategic.


    EGGGGGXACTLY
  • harrymanbackharrymanback Posts: 435
    with this pick, McCain and friends will have a hard time questioning obamas experience, as this pick has none ... with his age, she is litterally a heartbeat away from the oval office.

    either way, history will be made with either an african-american pres or a woman veep.
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  • MrBrianMrBrian Posts: 2,672
    http://www.ontheissues.org/Sarah_Palin.htm

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin

    I don't know too much about her, any better articles,links on her?
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    macgyver06 wrote:
    dude.... the first female vice president... ya women won't jump on this one

    ????

    are you fucking kidding me!?

    Dude...don't you remember the first female VP in our nation's history Geraldine Ferraro? No. You know why? Because she lost.
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,649
    harrymanback wrote:
    with this pick, McCain and friends will have a hard time questioning obamas experience, as this pick has none ... with his age, she is litterally a heartbeat away from the oval office.

    either way, history will be made with either an african-american pres or a woman veep.


    Sure you can...Obama is running for the Top spot...Palin is only the VP...wouldn;t change that argument one bit.
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  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    harrymanback wrote:
    with this pick, McCain and friends will have a hard time questioning obamas experience, as this pick has none ... with his age, she is litterally a heartbeat away from the oval office.

    either way, history will be made with either an african-american pres or a woman veep.


    I wouldnt go that far... I think in this country we are a conspiracy or super redneck good ol' boy away from having Biden and Dobbs as the democratic ticket
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    she is under investigation in Alaska for illegal hiring/firing practices...

    Probably not much weight to that, especially since Obama is from Illinois where those practices are routine.
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  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    ledvedderman wrote:
    Dude...don't you remember the first female VP in our nation's history Geraldine Ferraro? No. You know why? Because she lost.


    did geraldine have sex appeal?
  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    decides2dream wrote:
    VERY strategic.


    mixed race dude goes with the older white guy to 'balance' himself out....the old white guy goes with a female to 'balance' himself out. interesting, interesting. of course, i am more interested in who the president is....so no swaying with VP choices. obama is it for me. i just hope that as many say lots are voting for obama simply b/c he is black :rolleyes:...no one is 'dazzled' simply by the idea of a female VP. sure, mccain is old, so she could get the top job.....but none the less.......she still is 'only' VP....so go with the prez candidate of importance!

    to the post above, most women will go with the presidential candidate who BESt represents women's rights/choices....and that would be obama by a landslide over mccain, no matter who he chose for VP.

    True, but McCain has said he wants only term. Which could set up in 2012 Hillary vs. Palin meaning there would be a female president for the first time.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • Uncle LeoUncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    ledvedderman wrote:
    Dude...don't you remember the first female VP in our nation's history Geraldine Ferraro? No. You know why? Because she lost.

    Yeah, but she was running against the most beloved president in US history. This one against a black candidate with MUCH less experience than the top of her ticket.

    Actually her "experience" level could come into question in foreign policy, except the Obama camp cannot question it because of his.

    The question is, does this keep McCain from questioning Obama's experience. Not only because of his running mate's lack of experience but because of his age and the likelyhood that she will be president in the next 4 years? I say no because people think governor is better experience than is Senator.
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,649
    By the way...I think this is a terrific pick.

    I look forward to learning even more about her and hope she can help be the future of the republican party.

    I can see it know...Obama talks of change then picks a guy that's been in the Senate since 1972 to be his top white guy. :) While McCain's first major decision as a presidential candiate is picking a woman VP...which of those is change?

    I'm pretty excited for the next couple of months.
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  • lateralus963lateralus963 Posts: 381
    I am not voting republican, but truthfully I was very happy that McCain put a woman on his ticket! It was a smart move, I don't know if it will sway the female vote. I mean, atleast us women that pay attention to the issues. But good choice McCain.
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  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    Solat13 wrote:
    True, but McCain has said he wants only term. Which could set up in 2012 Hillary vs. Palin meaning there would be a female president for the first time.


    that because as soon as john mccain wins the presidency he will probably fuck a lot of other countries up.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,649
    Uncle Leo wrote:
    I say no because people think governor is better experience than is Senator.


    Governor is better than Senator. ;)
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  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    macgyver06 wrote:
    did geraldine have sex appeal?

    You mean to tell me you wouldn't be all over this?????
    http://www.melissagallagher.com/GeraldineFerraro.jpg

    I don't see much sex appeal in Palin either
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  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    Uncle Leo wrote:
    Yeah, but she was running against the most beloved president in US history. This one against a black candidate with MUCH less experience than the top of her ticket.

    Actually her "experience" level could come into question in foreign policy, except the Obama camp cannot question it because of his.

    The question is, does this keep McCain from questioning Obama's experience. Not only because of his running mate's lack of experience but because of his age and the likelyhood that she will be president in the next 4 years? I say no because people think governor is better experience than is Senator.

    Well Obama is questioning McCain's judgment when his VP voted against the first Gulf War in Kuwait and for the Iraq war. I guess Biden feels the Iraq invasion in 2003 was more justifiable than attacking Iraq after it had invaded another country. ;)
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    From what I know about Palin she seems like a good pick. From her actions she seems honest and wants to do what is in the best interest of her constituants not her party. I think the down side to her is that many people have no idea who she is. As i stated before there are probably many people who can't even find Alaska on a map. A lot of people already know Biden and where he stands on many issues because of his previous campaigns for President. The McCain/pPalin campaign is going to have to waste a lot of time explaining who this woman is why the Dems can use that time to attack her. Either way I like her.
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  • decides2dreamdecides2dream Posts: 14,977
    cincybearcat wrote:
    By the way...I think this is a terrific pick.

    I look forward to learning even more about her and hope she can help be the future of the republican party.

    I can see it know...Obama talks of change then picks a guy that's been in the Senate since 1972 to be his top white guy. :) While McCain's first major decision as a presidential candiate is picking a woman VP...which of those is change?

    I'm pretty excited for the next couple of months.



    mccain picked himself a female who's views mirror his own...old white guy views......pro-life, pro-NRA, and least that is what i am reading so far....so not much 'change' there...except for gender. those who think hillary supporters will go ga-ga over this choice, grossly underestimate women. women will not chooce a woman simply b/c she is a woman. they choose a candidate at least partly based on what he/she offers FOR women, and a prolifer is NOT the choice most women, and most certainly not hillary supporters...would choose. hell, i am a woman and i have been thinking obama for a long time now.
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  • decides2dreamdecides2dream Posts: 14,977
    Solat13 wrote:
    True, but McCain has said he wants only term. Which could set up in 2012 Hillary vs. Palin meaning there would be a female president for the first time.



    most people don't think that far ahead when in the voter's booth. hell it's difficult enough to get em to think about the candidates in the running right now. ;)


    and while i would LOVE to see a female president...i don't want it to happen 'just' to have a female prsident, but a candidate i believe in. we'll see what hillary has to offer down the road....but NO way would i support a pro-life conservative candidate, ever....male or female.
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,649
    decides2dream wrote:
    mccain picked himself a female who's views mirror his own...old white guy views......pro-life, pro-NRA, and least that is what i am reading so far....so not much 'change' there...except for gender. those who think hillary supporters will go ga-ga over this choice, grossly underestimate women. women will not chooce a woman simply b/c she is a woman. they choose a candidate at least partly based on what he/she offers FOR women, and a prolifer is NOT the choice most women, and most certainly not hillary supporters...would choose. hell, i am a woman and i have been thinking obama for a long time now.


    Please tell me the last time the VP candidates position on abortion did anything to effect abortion in America.

    That is exactly why I have stopped caring about candidate's positions on abortion, as Obama says...this is a big election, don't let it come down to small issues.

    I'll tell you 1 thing...I'm betting that the Dems are not happy about this. They had a plan in place I'm sure to go after the McCain ticket, and I doubt it ever crossed their minds that it could be McCain/Palin...well, for more than a few seconds.
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  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    I just don't see it helping McCain...

    She is in an ethics situation now with her sister's ex-husband, and this will bring more attention to the state of Alaska and probably Ted Steven's mess.

    Sure, the conservatives will come out, but he just gave the finger to the independent swing voters that could have helped him. After 8 terrible years based on ideology, I don't think going to the well one more time will work.

    And while it is only a VP pick, I can't see the McCain camp still being able to use the experience arguement against Obama.
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  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    decides2dream wrote:
    mccain picked himself a female who's views mirror his own...old white guy views......pro-life, pro-NRA, and least that is what i am reading so far....so not much 'change' there...except for gender. those who think hillary supporters will go ga-ga over this choice, grossly underestimate women. women will not chooce a woman simply b/c she is a woman. they choose a candidate at least partly based on what he/she offers FOR women, and a prolifer is NOT the choice most women, and most certainly not hillary supporters...would choose. hell, i am a woman and i have been thinking obama for a long time now.

    True, but many Catholics which make up 26% of the voting population will sway over especially after the Pelosi trying to define abortion flap. I mean having a female pro-life vp against Beiden a pro-choice Catholic will make the decision easier for them to switch to the right.

    One of the main reasons Kerry lost is even though he is Catholic he lost the Catholic vote to W.

    I can't see how Catholics are going to switch back to the left in this election.

    It was a great strategic move by McCain.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,649
    decides2dream wrote:
    but NO way would i support a pro-life conservative candidate, ever....male or female.


    Well then, it doesn't really matter what you think abotu McCain's choice then does it, it doesn't matter at all.
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