i honestly mean this in a very non sexist way, but this election may come down to how stubborn women are. Biden eliminates Obama's lack of experience, but devalues his campaign of change. Palin appeals more to conservatives and reformist, but devalues mccain's campaign on expereince first. With all those factors canceled out I think the election comes down to those undecided Hillary supporters, mostly women. Will her female supporters stick to their party, or will they vote mccain just because his vp is a female? If you look into Palin she couldn't be more different than Hillary... so how stubborn will those uncommitted Hillary supporters be?
Further back and forth a wave will break on me, today...
With all those factors canceled out I think the election comes down to those undecided Hillary supporters, mostly women. Will her female supporters stick to their party, or will they vote mccain just because his vp is a female? If you look into Palin she couldn't be more different than Hillary... so how stubborn will those uncommitted Hillary supporters be?
The kicker is most of Hillary's female supporters are staunchly pro choice and Palin is staunchly pro life, and in general is further to the right than McCain.
McCain is more amorphous on abortion over his career, so it's more conceivable they could have accepted him.
It's a hard line to swallow that Hillary's, staunchest, feminist supporters who wanted nothing more than a woman in the White House would be so stubborn to put a woman who stands against everything they believe a heart beat away from the oval office.
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2006: Camden I & II, DC
2008: DC, Ed DC II
The kicker is most of Hillary's female supporters are staunchly pro choice and Palin is staunchly pro life, and in general is further to the right than McCain.
McCain is more amorphous on abortion over his career, so it's more conceivable they could have accepted him.
It's a hard line to swallow that Hillary's, staunchest, feminist supporters who wanted nothing more than a woman in the White House would be so stubborn to put a woman who stands against everything they believe a heart beat away from the oval office.
yes but this is what im worried about... my aunt is an older women, life long democrat, and she said today that she would vote for mccain so that she can see a woman in office during her life time! She knows of Palin's beliefs, but seems not to care. I find it disturbing, and it worried me
Further back and forth a wave will break on me, today...
"Jesus tap-dancing Christ. If McCain wanted a former beauty queen with no experience and a criminal investigation on her record, I don’t know why he didn’t just pick his own wife."
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2006: Camden I & II, DC
2008: DC, Ed DC II
It's a hard line to swallow that Hillary's, staunchest, feminist supporters who wanted nothing more than a woman in the White House would be so stubborn to put a woman who stands against everything they believe a heart beat away from the oval office.
You'd be surprised at just how stubborn women can be :(
Personally, I think this was a brilliant pick for McCain. Evil, but brilliant. Palin's pretty much untouchable on the experience front because she's a young mother. And Democrats don't want to be seen beating up on a mother of a special needs child.
"If all those sweet, young things were laid end to end, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised."
—Dorothy Parker
You'd be surprised at just how stubborn women can be :(
Personally, I think this was a brilliant pick for McCain. Evil, but brilliant. Palin's pretty much untouchable on the experience front because she's a young mother. And Democrats don't want to be seen beating up on a mother of a special needs child.
Assailing her credentials is beating up on her personal life. McCain was a prisoner of war. Obama grew up with an absent father. Biden had his wife and daughter die in a horrible car crash and survived near-death experiences. All these people have taken their knocks in this campaign. Her integrity on raising a child has nothing to do with the criticism of her as nominee.
You'd be surprised at just how stubborn women can be :(
Personally, I think this was a brilliant pick for McCain. Evil, but brilliant. Palin's pretty much untouchable on the experience front because she's a young mother. And Democrats don't want to be seen beating up on a mother of a special needs child.
Nor can they be seen beating up a former union member whose married to a union member and a daughter of union members.
A lot of the Dems base comes from unions and if they beat up too much on her, they may lose union votes.
Palin's pretty much untouchable on the experience front because she's a young mother. And Democrats don't want to be seen beating up on a mother of a special needs child.
Yeah, but where it helps is McCain can't really harp on Obama's lack of experience anymore.
If he does Obama can just say, "hey he can't think it's that important or he wouldn't have chosen someone with even less experience than me to be a heartbeat away from the oval office."
That can be said in a manner that's not beating up on her, but just accentuating that experience really doesn't matter that much in the grand scheme of things. It's character, personality and intelligence that matters. No prior job will prepare you oval office. You either have the fortitude and intelligence for the job, or you don't.
Both Obama and McCain are qualified to do the job. It's just a matter of whose views on where the country should go you like more.
Obama did a great job a getting at that last night and calling for an end to McCain's personal attacks and for the campaigns to focus on the issues.
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Obama did a great job a getting at that last night and calling for an end to McCain's personal attacks and for the campaigns to focus on the issues.
And then today abandoned that notion. Instead of congratulating McCain on his VP choice, as McCain did for Obama, his first communication was regarding her lack of experience. Obama, talking about someone else's lack of experience. Rich!
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
Assailing her credentials is beating up on her personal life. McCain was a prisoner of war. Obama grew up with an absent father. Biden had his wife and daughter die in a horrible car crash and survived near-death experiences. All these people have taken their knocks in this campaign. Her integrity on raising a child has nothing to do with the criticism of her as nominee.
It should not, but if Biden who loves to "Bloody the nose" of his opponents attacks her pretty bad, it may backfire for the Dems.
You'd be surprised at just how stubborn women can be :(
Personally, I think this was a brilliant pick for McCain. Evil, but brilliant. Palin's pretty much untouchable on the experience front because she's a young mother. And Democrats don't want to be seen beating up on a mother of a special needs child.
i'm sorry, but this statement pisses me off. :mad:
you bet, women can be stubborn, so can men. but honestly, to me, this statement really suggests " you'd be surprised how stupid women can be." and don't be having fun with that one.
seriously, if someone, male or female....WAS a hillary supporter, and then decided sto support mccain simply b/c he chose a female VP...they were NEVER hillary supporters, but rather disillusioned voters simply voting for GENDER, not issues...and certainly NOT to improve women's rights. so anyone who can flop their vote/support THAT much, clearly was never a true 'supporter'...and just going with gender, how sad. not saying it isn't true for some...but i hope not many.
btw - this has nothing to do with 'party lines'...and EVERYthing to do with issues. i am not a democrat, i am an independent...i was not a hillary supporter - at least not for president - but i think ANYone who did support her, who TRULY believed in her views on the issues, would go with obama...or hell, even nader or some write in...and NEVER mccain, no matter who he has on his ticket.
You'd be surprised at just how stubborn women can be :(
Personally, I think this was a brilliant pick for McCain. Evil, but brilliant. Palin's pretty much untouchable on the experience front because she's a young mother. And Democrats don't want to be seen beating up on a mother of a special needs child.
Stubborn? Well, I hope the Hillary supporters are stubborn, and that they WILL stubbornly stand up for what they believe in, and WON'T vote for McCain simply because he picked an anti-choice homophobe who is only like Hillary in that they are both women.
And then today abandoned that notion. Instead of congratulating McCain on his VP choice, as McCain did for Obama, his first communication was regarding her lack of experience. Obama, talking about someone else's lack of experience. Rich!
Nope. Get your facts straight.
Here is the Obama-Biden official statement:
“We send our congratulations to Governor Sarah Palin and her family on her designation as the republican nominee for Vice President. It is yet another encouraging sign that old barriers are falling in our politics. While we obviously have differences over how best to lead this country forward Governor Palin is an admirable person and will add a compelling new voice to this campaign.”
The attacks on Palin's experience came from democrats outside the Obama camp for the most part. Like Sen. Boxer from CA and Majority Whip Jim Clyburn.
Besides, this is something McCain brought on himself, rather than unfair and irrelevant attacks.
He choose to do nothing but attack Obama on character and lack of experience. Now he choose a VP with much less experience than Obama who is in the middle of a corruption investigation.
It's not biased, partisan attacks to point out the hypocrisy in that.
2000: Pittsburgh
2006: Camden I & II, DC
2008: DC, Ed DC II
Stubborn? Well, I hope the Hillary supporters are stubborn, and that they WILL stubbornly stand up for what they believe in, and WON'T vote for McCain simply because he picked an anti-choice homophobe who is only like Hillary in that they are both women.
The attacks on Palin's experience came from democrats outside the Obama camp for the most part. Like Sen. Boxer from CA and Majority Whip Jim Clyburn.
Besides, this is something McCain brought on himself, rather than unfair and irrelevant attacks.
He choose to do nothing but attack Obama on character and lack of experience. Now he choose a VP with much less experience than Obama who is in the middle of a corruption investigation.
It's not biased, partisan attacks to point out the hypocrisy in that.
Barack Obama Campaign Spokesman Bill Burton responds to John McCain's choice of Alaska Governor Sarah Palin as his running mate:
"Today, John McCain put the former mayor of a town of 9,000 with zero foreign policy experience a heartbeat away from the presidency. Governor Palin shares John McCain's commitment to overturning Roe v. Wade, the agenda of Big Oil and continuing George Bush's failed economic policies -- that's not the change we need, it's just more of the same."
Today, John McCain put the former mayor of a town of 9,000 with zero foreign policy experience a heartbeat away from the presidency. Governor Palin shares John McCain's commitment to overturning Roe v. Wade, the agenda of Big Oil and continuing George Bush's failed economic policies -- that's not the change we need, it's just more of the same.
why would an ignorant generalization piss you off?
well when you put it that way....;)
hmmmm...well, apparently i am stubborn ya know.
actually, while i think palin is a brilliant choice for all the reasons stated, SHE actually pisses me off as a woman. hahaha. of course she is entitled to believe as she wants to believe...and i know all different women have all different kinds of thoughts/opinions...but it still pisses me off for a woman to be anti-choice...pro-creationism in public schools, pro-NRA, etc. guess that's my reverse sexism, just not being able to fathom a women believing in such things. that's my own personal issue, and i know it...before i get taken to task over it. it's my OWN shit, i know it...get it...and yet, still pisses me off.
Stubborn? Well, I hope the Hillary supporters are stubborn, and that they WILL stubbornly stand up for what they believe in, and WON'T vote for McCain simply because he picked an anti-choice homophobe who is only like Hillary in that they are both women.
THANK YOU!!!
i've said something similar a few times in this thread already, as have others...but apparently some just still seem to think hillary supporters are....well, what exactly? i don't even SEE the correlation beyond gender.
she's a homophobe too?
damn...she really IS a conservative wet dream!
Barack Obama Campaign Spokesman Bill Burton responds to John McCain's choice of Alaska Governor Sarah Palin as his running mate:
"Today, John McCain put the former mayor of a town of 9,000 with zero foreign policy experience a heartbeat away from the presidency. Governor Palin shares John McCain's commitment to overturning Roe v. Wade, the agenda of Big Oil and continuing George Bush's failed economic policies -- that's not the change we need, it's just more of the same."
I said mostly outside the Obama camp, but anyway my larger point was this is not the kind of rhetoric Obama was rallying against last night.
This is just refuting McCain's attacks on his experience. He has no choice but to do that. Look what happened to Kerry when he tried to ignore the swiftboat attacks and other nonsense.
Pointing that out is crucial as it nullifies McCain's ability to attack Obama's lack of experience ever again. It holds no water when he put someone with even less experience one beat of his 72-year-old heart away from the oval office. He can't value experience that much or he wouldn't have made that choice. Hopefully a day or two of this will put to rest these attacks on experience, and allow the campaign to focus on the issues. But I don't see it as against what Obama said last night. He has to defend himself on the attacks from McCain until they stop.
Beyond that one blurb, the rest of that statement does just what he said he'd do--attack the McCain ticket on the issues.
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2008: DC, Ed DC II
Lets talk about judgment to lead and the choice McCain just made.
McCain is making a choice to win the election, not what is in the best interest of the country. In one of his first real decisions for us to look at and evaluate how he might lead the country, he blew it. In the event he dies, he thinks the best person to replace him is a person with no foreign policy experience, no real national experience and minimal state experience. That is NOT putting your country first. (As he claims every 5 minutes.)
You can't tell me he sat with a list of all the candidates and went, "yeah, I'll go with this lady with no real experience that actually admitted she doesn't know what a VP does".
He's just selfish. That is not putting your country first.
Lets talk about judgment to lead and the choice McCain just made.
McCain is making a choice to win the election, not what is in the best interest of the country. In one of his first real decisions for us to look at and evaluate how he might lead the country, he blew it. In the event he dies, he thinks the best person to replace him is a person with no foreign policy experience, no real national experience and minimal state experience. That is NOT putting your country first. (As he claims every 5 minutes.)
You can't tell me he sat with a list of all the candidates and went, "yeah, I'll go with this lady with no real experience that actually admitted she doesn't know what a VP does".
He's just selfish. That is not putting your country first.
I know. I'm probably stating the obvious.
DING DING DING!!!!!!!
we have a winner! tell her what's she won, johnny!
Lets talk about judgment to lead and the choice McCain just made.
McCain is making a choice to win the election, not what is in the best interest of the country. In one of his first real decisions for us to look at and evaluate how he might lead the country, he blew it. In the event he dies, he thinks the best person to replace him is a person with no foreign policy experience, no real national experience and minimal state experience. That is NOT putting your country first. (As he claims every 5 minutes.)
You can't tell me he sat with a list of all the candidates and went, "yeah, I'll go with this lady with no real experience that actually admitted she doesn't know what a VP does".
He's just selfish. That is not putting your country first.
I know. I'm probably stating the obvious.
And in continuing his campaign of change, Obama took as VP a Senator who has been there since the Nixon administration, is a Washington insider and answers at the beck and call of the credit card lobbyists.
Both candidates picked who they think can help them win.
In one of his first real decisions for us to look at and evaluate how he might lead the country, he blew it. In the event he dies, he thinks the best person to replace him is a person with no foreign policy experience, no real national experience and minimal state experience. That is NOT putting your country first. (As he claims every 5 minutes.)
And it's made even worse by making him look like a hypocrite for attacking Obama's lack of experience when he has a ton more than Palin.
That's why I don't see point it out as going against what he said about not getting into rhetoric.
Just like I had not problems with them jumping on McCain not knowing how many homes he owned to point out the hypocrisy in McCain trying to paint Obama as a detached, elitist celebrity who can't relate to average people.
That's not rhetoric, it's defending himself from rhetoric, and god bless McCain for fucking up the two things he was making points on--Obama's lack of experience and painting him as an elitist.
With Palin on the ticket and the 7 homes thing he's lost any sway he had using those arguments.
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2006: Camden I & II, DC
2008: DC, Ed DC II
And in continuing his campaign of change, Obama took as VP a Senator who has been there since the Nixon administration, is a Washington insider and answers at the beck and call of the credit card lobbyists.
Both candidates picked who they think can help them win.
Agreed.
But, Obama chose someone who actually has a life time of political experience to lead the country in the even Obama dies.
I would rather see Biden as President than Palin. It's almost like a no-brainer.
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Funny statistic about that...
I believe, as of now since the 04 re-election period Obama is the 3rd most absent senator in the U.S. Senate.
Bet you can guess who's #1.
Hey yo yo yo, Gmoney! Drop some phat-azz beats yo on how dem bytchez STYLL ayn't shyt and bein' all stubborn all up in here! Play on, playa
The kicker is most of Hillary's female supporters are staunchly pro choice and Palin is staunchly pro life, and in general is further to the right than McCain.
McCain is more amorphous on abortion over his career, so it's more conceivable they could have accepted him.
It's a hard line to swallow that Hillary's, staunchest, feminist supporters who wanted nothing more than a woman in the White House would be so stubborn to put a woman who stands against everything they believe a heart beat away from the oval office.
2006: Camden I & II, DC
2008: DC, Ed DC II
"Jesus tap-dancing Christ. If McCain wanted a former beauty queen with no experience and a criminal investigation on her record, I don’t know why he didn’t just pick his own wife."
2006: Camden I & II, DC
2008: DC, Ed DC II
You'd be surprised at just how stubborn women can be :(
Personally, I think this was a brilliant pick for McCain. Evil, but brilliant. Palin's pretty much untouchable on the experience front because she's a young mother. And Democrats don't want to be seen beating up on a mother of a special needs child.
—Dorothy Parker
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Assailing her credentials is beating up on her personal life. McCain was a prisoner of war. Obama grew up with an absent father. Biden had his wife and daughter die in a horrible car crash and survived near-death experiences. All these people have taken their knocks in this campaign. Her integrity on raising a child has nothing to do with the criticism of her as nominee.
Nor can they be seen beating up a former union member whose married to a union member and a daughter of union members.
A lot of the Dems base comes from unions and if they beat up too much on her, they may lose union votes.
- 8/28/98
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- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
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- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
Yeah, but where it helps is McCain can't really harp on Obama's lack of experience anymore.
If he does Obama can just say, "hey he can't think it's that important or he wouldn't have chosen someone with even less experience than me to be a heartbeat away from the oval office."
That can be said in a manner that's not beating up on her, but just accentuating that experience really doesn't matter that much in the grand scheme of things. It's character, personality and intelligence that matters. No prior job will prepare you oval office. You either have the fortitude and intelligence for the job, or you don't.
Both Obama and McCain are qualified to do the job. It's just a matter of whose views on where the country should go you like more.
Obama did a great job a getting at that last night and calling for an end to McCain's personal attacks and for the campaigns to focus on the issues.
2006: Camden I & II, DC
2008: DC, Ed DC II
And then today abandoned that notion. Instead of congratulating McCain on his VP choice, as McCain did for Obama, his first communication was regarding her lack of experience. Obama, talking about someone else's lack of experience. Rich!
It should not, but if Biden who loves to "Bloody the nose" of his opponents attacks her pretty bad, it may backfire for the Dems.
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- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
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- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
Not to mention, he's going to have to be very careful where his eyes go during televised VP debates...could end the race with one glimpse.
i'm sorry, but this statement pisses me off. :mad:
you bet, women can be stubborn, so can men. but honestly, to me, this statement really suggests " you'd be surprised how stupid women can be." and don't be having fun with that one.
seriously, if someone, male or female....WAS a hillary supporter, and then decided sto support mccain simply b/c he chose a female VP...they were NEVER hillary supporters, but rather disillusioned voters simply voting for GENDER, not issues...and certainly NOT to improve women's rights. so anyone who can flop their vote/support THAT much, clearly was never a true 'supporter'...and just going with gender, how sad. not saying it isn't true for some...but i hope not many.
btw - this has nothing to do with 'party lines'...and EVERYthing to do with issues. i am not a democrat, i am an independent...i was not a hillary supporter - at least not for president - but i think ANYone who did support her, who TRULY believed in her views on the issues, would go with obama...or hell, even nader or some write in...and NEVER mccain, no matter who he has on his ticket.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
Stubborn? Well, I hope the Hillary supporters are stubborn, and that they WILL stubbornly stand up for what they believe in, and WON'T vote for McCain simply because he picked an anti-choice homophobe who is only like Hillary in that they are both women.
Nope. Get your facts straight.
Here is the Obama-Biden official statement:
The attacks on Palin's experience came from democrats outside the Obama camp for the most part. Like Sen. Boxer from CA and Majority Whip Jim Clyburn.
Besides, this is something McCain brought on himself, rather than unfair and irrelevant attacks.
He choose to do nothing but attack Obama on character and lack of experience. Now he choose a VP with much less experience than Obama who is in the middle of a corruption investigation.
It's not biased, partisan attacks to point out the hypocrisy in that.
2006: Camden I & II, DC
2008: DC, Ed DC II
Homophobe...I think you're wrong there.
Barack Obama Campaign Spokesman Bill Burton responds to John McCain's choice of Alaska Governor Sarah Palin as his running mate:
"Today, John McCain put the former mayor of a town of 9,000 with zero foreign policy experience a heartbeat away from the presidency. Governor Palin shares John McCain's commitment to overturning Roe v. Wade, the agenda of Big Oil and continuing George Bush's failed economic policies -- that's not the change we need, it's just more of the same."
- 8/28/98
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- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
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- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
why would an ignorant generalization piss you off?
I'm really tired of this soundbyte already...
Whenever I hear them say that, I think of this:
http://video.aol.com/partner/hulu/saturday-night-live-first-citywide-change-bank-1/INMWBOoEk1ErgowwZ7Sr9lFQawj0Zmvq
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
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- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
Here's a fact, jack. It looks like this is what the Obama campaign had to say:
It was reported on both Fox News and the Huffington Post, so I'm sure if those 2 sources agree on something, it is likely to be pretty factual.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/29/sarah-palin-obama-respons_n_122392.html
EDIT: ahh, Solat13 beat me! I took too long making sure the source was accurate.
well when you put it that way....;)
hmmmm...well, apparently i am stubborn ya know.
actually, while i think palin is a brilliant choice for all the reasons stated, SHE actually pisses me off as a woman.
and...
THANK YOU!!!
i've said something similar a few times in this thread already, as have others...but apparently some just still seem to think hillary supporters are....well, what exactly? i don't even SEE the correlation beyond gender.
she's a homophobe too?
damn...she really IS a conservative wet dream!
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
I said mostly outside the Obama camp, but anyway my larger point was this is not the kind of rhetoric Obama was rallying against last night.
This is just refuting McCain's attacks on his experience. He has no choice but to do that. Look what happened to Kerry when he tried to ignore the swiftboat attacks and other nonsense.
Pointing that out is crucial as it nullifies McCain's ability to attack Obama's lack of experience ever again. It holds no water when he put someone with even less experience one beat of his 72-year-old heart away from the oval office. He can't value experience that much or he wouldn't have made that choice. Hopefully a day or two of this will put to rest these attacks on experience, and allow the campaign to focus on the issues. But I don't see it as against what Obama said last night. He has to defend himself on the attacks from McCain until they stop.
Beyond that one blurb, the rest of that statement does just what he said he'd do--attack the McCain ticket on the issues.
2006: Camden I & II, DC
2008: DC, Ed DC II
Lets talk about judgment to lead and the choice McCain just made.
McCain is making a choice to win the election, not what is in the best interest of the country. In one of his first real decisions for us to look at and evaluate how he might lead the country, he blew it. In the event he dies, he thinks the best person to replace him is a person with no foreign policy experience, no real national experience and minimal state experience. That is NOT putting your country first. (As he claims every 5 minutes.)
You can't tell me he sat with a list of all the candidates and went, "yeah, I'll go with this lady with no real experience that actually admitted she doesn't know what a VP does".
He's just selfish. That is not putting your country first.
I know. I'm probably stating the obvious.
DING DING DING!!!!!!!
we have a winner! tell her what's she won, johnny!
And in continuing his campaign of change, Obama took as VP a Senator who has been there since the Nixon administration, is a Washington insider and answers at the beck and call of the credit card lobbyists.
Both candidates picked who they think can help them win.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
And it's made even worse by making him look like a hypocrite for attacking Obama's lack of experience when he has a ton more than Palin.
That's why I don't see point it out as going against what he said about not getting into rhetoric.
Just like I had not problems with them jumping on McCain not knowing how many homes he owned to point out the hypocrisy in McCain trying to paint Obama as a detached, elitist celebrity who can't relate to average people.
That's not rhetoric, it's defending himself from rhetoric, and god bless McCain for fucking up the two things he was making points on--Obama's lack of experience and painting him as an elitist.
With Palin on the ticket and the 7 homes thing he's lost any sway he had using those arguments.
2006: Camden I & II, DC
2008: DC, Ed DC II
Agreed.
But, Obama chose someone who actually has a life time of political experience to lead the country in the even Obama dies.
I would rather see Biden as President than Palin. It's almost like a no-brainer.