Petition: PUT AN END TO INFLATED PRICES AND SHADY BUSINESS PRACTICE (ITW vinyl, etc)

Kilgore_Trout

nukeboot wrote:

Isn't that where this thread should have ended?

dont be such a racist nukeboot...

ps- i agree with what mrsvedder said... easy solution to this problem: tell us how many albums were actually pressed... if its 3,000+ i could see the price quickly dropping

Foxy Mop

I admire the idea of a petition and voicing your issues Sean, and happen to agree with most of them.

Not to be a glass is half-empty person, because I'm really not, but this whole situation reminds of a certain band that tried to go up against Ticketmaster, and we all know how that went down.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand

Like someone said about the Bentley & Picasso.. and just like ticket scalpers.. there will always be someone out there who's feeding the machine, even if you don't.

I don't have an answer for the big picture, but I think it's a great topic for discussion.



and p.s. - Happy Birthday!

Kilgore_Trout

Foxy Mop wrote:

I admire the idea of a petition and voicing your issues Sean, and happen to agree with most of them.

Not to be a glass is half-empty person, because I'm really not, but this whole situation reminds of a certain band that tried to go up against Ticketmaster, and we all know how that went down.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand

Like someone said about the Bentley & Picasso.. and just like ticket scalpers.. there will always be someone out there who's feeding the machine, even if you don't.

I don't have an answer for the big picture, but I think it's a great topic for discussion.



and p.s. - Happy Birthday!

thanks for comparing me to PJ v. TM

thats the best gift i couldve asked for!

Foxy Mop

sgossard3 wrote:

thanks for comparing me to PJ v. TM

thats the best gift i couldve asked for!

Hehe I guess it's just a comparison of posters, tickets, anything that is considered 'of value'.. An analogy of going against the seemingly unchangeable/impossible.

Admittedly I'm part of I guess would be considered the 'problem' too - I've done the travel pack, bought merch, tickets, and even a few collectors items from the early '90's that I regretted not getting back then. We were both at the Vic.. and it killed even then to leave so many friends back at that bar who weren't able to get in.

There was a great thread about poster prices, poster runs, valuation et all awhile back - lots of great ideas.

*edit*
I'm realizing that a) it's past my bedtime and b) my posts aren't really making a point, so c) I'm going to sleep

South of Seattle

Foxy Mop wrote:

We were both at the Vic.. and it killed even then to leave so many friends back at that bar who weren't able to get in.

Cough Cough

Consider this a signature and Happy Birthday Sean!

Hinny

Whatever happened to petitions being actually signed, instead of these 'thread on a board' half-arsed attempts?

This will have just as much impact as the Tour The South 'Petition'.

Kel Varnsen

gfraser wrote:

a band does not have a say in how many records are produced, unless its a "band release" such as the xmas singles etc. that is left up to the record companies. open your eyes about vinyl people, its a thing of the past. record companies dont want to lose money on boxes and boxes of unsold vinyls that are just sitting around. yes just about every record thats released still gets a vinyl release but its always limited. normally a run of say 5000 copies would be plently, it just so happends that fans of pearl jam, really have a thing for vinyl which makes it harder to come by. why are ten, vs and vitalogy lps still easily available? these records sold millions and millions of copies and would be most desirable for a casual pearl jam fan.

i know the original poster wasnt just talking about the itw vinyl, it was about much more. i wouldnt want to sign a petition (although i think i am by posting) to end super limited edition items because frankly i like them. i like when im lucky enough to get one and im pissed when i dont. like the saying goes, you win some you lose some.

You actually think a band at the level of Pearl Jam has no say in how their music is distrubuted? This is not some indie band on their first major label release. This is the band that was able to get their record company to release offical CDs for every concert in their 2000 and 2003 tours. I think a band with that much power could easily say give input into how many records they want made, especially when the store they own is the major seller of them.

pdalowsky

this is a really fucking easy conundrum,

either stop making ltd quantities, make everything available to every ten club member, and price things properly making the band money not others.

I have no trouble people selling their things, for fucks sake everything is worth something in the world, if that someone has the money they will spend it, I really and simply do not see the problem, sure it sucks missing out, and to that extent, all tenclub members should be able to buy everything that is released. only real way of solving but that spoils the joy of collecting.

Jason P

sgossard3 wrote:

Something needs to be done about whats going on... I have been aware for sometime of the unfairly inflated prices on posters and albums... I know its just a part of living in a consumer society... I know theres a lot of people who dont care and dismiss it by saying they dont care about posters or vinyl... but THIS IS A GROWING TREND! it is going to be everyones problem really soon and we need to as a fan base reach some sort of an agreement to put an end to these business practices... this is not an attack at the 10C! they go above and beyond all the time! for anyone to look past our own collective greed and blame them is ridiculous... The market is beginning to see just how greedy and stupid we can be with all thing PJ and they are going to accordingly raise their prices... soon ticket prices will be equally through the roof... put an end to record store owners immediately putting ITW vinyl on ebay instead of selling them at retail as they should! SIGN THIS PETITION SO 10C SEES HOW LARGE THIS PROBLEM IS!

Sounds like someone forgot to be at their computer at 1 pm Pacific time last Monday.

see_the_world

It's just stuff, people. I thought Pearl Jam was supposed to be about the music.

Danimal

LeatherMandi wrote:

You do realize that in doing so... you are making the situation worse?
You are literally making it impossible for someone like me, to obtain these things in a plausible manner. So for that, i hold you personally responsible and would probably challange you to an arm wrestle if i ever see you.



Your right, if you have the means... FUCK EVERYONE ELSE in the process. Real class act Its people with that mentality that are screwing things up for the rest of us.

Ummmm you know what I say to this? Too fucking bad. Don't have the money? Get a second job. Still don't have the money? Get a third job. If you really want something then you will have no problem working for it.

Yeah I'm not going to buy something because you can't afford it. JESUS EFFN CHRIST!

patrickredeyes

If you want something really bad. Sometimes you have to pay more for it. I do think it does or has got out of control with some 10c merch items. But it's not just PJ stuff. Everything is this world has a price. It's just a matter of how much each person wants or can afford to pay. Just my two cents on this cold morning.

Indifference

Danimal wrote:

Ummmm you know what I say to this? Too fucking bad. Don't have the money? Get a second job. Still don't have the money? Get a third job. If you really want something then you will have no problem working for it.

Yeah I'm not going to buy something because you can't afford it. JESUS EFFN CHRIST!

Well said.

andrebuckman

i've seen quite a few replies on this thread talking about supply and demand and saying "thats just the way it is". surely (and please correct me if i'm wrong!), what the original poster was suggesting was that we sign this petition and make a conscious effort to LOWER THE DEMAND so that these people can't charge the ridiculous prices. i thought as fans of a band who care about these kinds of things there would be some common ground on this issue. i would have hoped that more than about 10 people who read these forums would agree and would have a little more thought and respect for other Pearl Jam fans, but obviously not.
add another name to the petition

Kel Varnsen

captainbuckyohare wrote:

i've seen quite a few replies on this thread talking about supply and demand and saying "thats just the way it is". surely (and please correct me if i'm wrong!), what the original poster was suggesting was that we sign this petition and make a conscious effort to LOWER THE DEMAND so that these people can't charge the ridiculous prices. i thought as fans of a band who care about these kinds of things there would be some common ground on this issue. i would have hoped that more than about 10 people who read these forums would agree and would have a little more thought and respect for other Pearl Jam fans, but obviously not.
add another name to the petition

But if you lower demand how do you decide who gets the stuff? I mean for example if there are only 1000 records and 10,000 people want it how do you decide who gets it?

SCRIBLING C-MENT

LeatherMandi wrote:

Im not attacking you personally...But there is no denying that you are part of the problem if you are buying into it. I dont want you to be concerned for me, i dont expect you to be. Like i said 90 percent of people are shelfish assholes. I found it very tasteless that you would be so bold to say "Some punk isnt gonna tell me what to do with my money!!"


The dude has a point and a good idea at that... a very valid one and i thought you were very disrespectful to that, thats what upsets me.


and listen. I have two jobs, that i work very hard at but barely keep my head above water. but you know what? My mommy and daddy didnt buy me a car, a college education none of that good shit. So yeah, i might be pretty average when it comes to money making but even if i had a million dollars in the bank, i wouldnt buy stuff for triple the price. Its unbelievable. You want to spend 600 dollars on a stupid poster? Be my guest, the only reason i care is because since you spent 600 dollars on a poster... i cant afford to buy the poster as a reminder from a show i attended.... you should just be aware that your actions do have an effect on others.

Is this a joke...

redrock

Kel Varnsen wrote:

But if you lower demand how do you decide who gets the stuff? I mean for example if there are only 1000 records and 10,000 people want it how do you decide who gets it?

I think, from this thread and others, the general gist of things is that the people posting would like to see enough goods made to supply the demand. I don't think they really meant to lower the demand, but rather for eager fans/collectors to curb their enthusiasm when wanting something (ITW for example) at any price. If the market knows there will be crazy fans ready to pounce on anything PJ at any price, this will continue. If these fans want all that it PJ, this kind of stuff will go on and on...

If one takes your example, the 9,000 who did not get it would be creating a good number of threads like we are seeing for ITW or posters, etc.

I feel a song coming... 'You can't always get what you want.....'

SCRIBLING C-MENT

patrickredeyes wrote:

If you want something really bad. Sometimes you have to pay more for it. I do think it does or has got out of control with some 10c merch items. But it's not just PJ stuff. Everything is this world has a price. It's just a matter of how much each person wants or can afford to pay. Just my two cents on this cold morning.

BINGO!
I hate this boad anymore, it's just not the same.

Danimal

SCRIBLING C-MENT wrote:

Is this a joke...

I hear ya. This chick lives on another fucking planet.

SCRIBLING C-MENT

Danimal wrote:

I hear ya. This chick lives on another fucking planet.

I can honestly say that I've worked my ass off and deserve what ever I can afford and want to buy, right?! Just because she hasn't doesn't mean that whomever can't buy what ever they want when ever they want it.

Everyone in this country has the same opportunities to gain a successful life due to democracy. Just because she didn't make the same choices as the people who have the money doesn't mean we should feel bad for her or hinder our ability to buy whatever we want. I understand the frustrations, but there’s nothing you can do about it, but accept it. Save your money work harder, what else can you say. My mommy didn’t buy my 1st car or college education, everything I own and have is something I’ve earned myself.