** KAMALA HARRIS FOR PRESIDENT -PART DEUX **

jerparker20

wnh1977 said:

Philly NJ said:

Happy days are here again…

My final thoughts on this election and my FINAL post in this thread

The American people saved this Country from further decline. Donald Trump is not the savior, he is the messenger. He still has powerful forces against him.  The Republican and Democrat swamp have a lot to lose if Trump does follow through with his promises.

For me, he needs to pull the curtain on Government corruption and incompetence. He needs to expose the DOJ/FBI for their involvement in RussiaGate and J6.  He needs to hold Fauci/NIH accountable for the lies. He needs to promote peace. He needs to stop illegal immigration. He needs to kill DEI and the Woke mind virus of the military. He needs to bring back the American dream for everyone. He has a lot to do in four years.

A quick observation: for those of you that commented in this tread, I suggest getting away for the State Media and cable news. I have said this before, you are being lied to.  Believe it or not at your knowledge peril, Twitter is the best place to go for information. I suggest you seek out a few people that you can trust to be truthful in various subject matters. For instance, last night I did not watch cable news at all until around 2am. My wife was watching it and I had so much better and more up-to-date information from Twitter than what she was given by the so-called news people on TV.

Finally, maybe I should start a Forum Thread for “PJ Fans That Voted for Trump”. Look for it, maybe.

Happy days are here again….

I agree with this.  

Donald Trump is very flawed, but I have hope.  Maybe it's simply because he doesn't fit nicely in to the two-party swamp.  Who knows, maybe that's why there were attempts on his life this year?  I truly believe the powerful people are concerned by his unpredictability.

Few things here…

Trump is part of the two party system. He’s been the head of one of them for nearly a decade now and has shaped it to be exactly what he and his handlers want it to be. That rational can be put to bed for good now.

Trump is as predicable as a sunrise. Flatter him, kick him some money, you’re in his good graces. Don’t and you’re not. 

As for the “powerful people.” Who do you think bankrolled his campaign? Answer… powerful people: Musk, Ellison, Koch and  a slew of other billionaires. Bezos, Theil and Zuckerberg played along and contributed in their own ways as well. It’s one of the things that has always confused me about regular schlubs viewing Trump and billionaires as “champions of the people.” They could care less about anyone unless there’s a dollar to be made from them, but that’s the story of humanity.

josevolution

darwinstheory said:

josevolution said:

Bentleyspop said:

What I was looking at at 1 a.m.

brianlux said:

Bentleyspop said:

What I was looking at at 1 a.m.

I'm thinking along the same lines because I'm having a really hard time with the notion of living out my last years in a racist, homophobic, xenophobic, hate-filled, fascist, pro-dictatorship country that is populated by so many millions of ignorant fools.

Here’s what I started today my 1st step in getting my Chilean citizenship back!
https://goldenharbors.com/articles/chile-citizenship

I'm hitting you up if/when I ever go to Patagonia! 

I was there two years ago I’m headed back there not Patagonia but close I have a nephew who’s a guide at a national park in that region I’m going to be looking at land to purchase and also looking at  houses that are for sale! My plan is to live at least the three months of summer there and the rest of year here! 

Gern Blansten

wnh1977 said:

Gern Blansten said: Gabbard (a political chameleon) 

Hmm... maybe the DNC should've vetted her more when they had her speak at the 2012 National Convention or named her vice chair in her 30's.  Maybe they thought they nabbed another puppet who wouldn't speak out when the party strayed from their ideals.  So many of these politicians who come into power never question their powerful team again.  They're becoming wealthy, they stay in power by not ruffling any feathers... And you call out the rare folks who don't go lock step with their powerful team?  I'm seriously asking.  I've listened to her and can't help but feel the democrats lost a good one.  Once she spoke up, they absolutely tried to destroy her.  That's the game plan.

uh...she went maga...they didn't "lose" anything...she drank the kool-aid/flavorite

Get_Right

josevolution said:

Bentleyspop said:

What I was looking at at 1 a.m.

brianlux said:

Bentleyspop said:

What I was looking at at 1 a.m.

I'm thinking along the same lines because I'm having a really hard time with the notion of living out my last years in a racist, homophobic, xenophobic, hate-filled, fascist, pro-dictatorship country that is populated by so many millions of ignorant fools.

Here’s what I started today my 1st step in getting my Chilean citizenship back!
https://goldenharbors.com/articles/chile-citizenship

Funny, both my kids have dual citizenship with the US and Japan. My daughter told me today that she is keeping her Japanese citizenship when she has to make a choice.

Get_Right

josevolution said:

darwinstheory said:

josevolution said:

Bentleyspop said:

What I was looking at at 1 a.m.

brianlux said:

Bentleyspop said:

What I was looking at at 1 a.m.

I'm thinking along the same lines because I'm having a really hard time with the notion of living out my last years in a racist, homophobic, xenophobic, hate-filled, fascist, pro-dictatorship country that is populated by so many millions of ignorant fools.

Here’s what I started today my 1st step in getting my Chilean citizenship back!
https://goldenharbors.com/articles/chile-citizenship

I'm hitting you up if/when I ever go to Patagonia! 

I was there two years ago I’m headed back there not Patagonia but close I have a nephew who’s a guide at a national park in that region I’m going to be looking at land to purchase and also looking at  houses that are for sale! My plan is to live at least the three months of summer there and the rest of year here! 

We have also started looking for houses in Japan. Live there in the winter. Somewhere south of Tokyo.

josevolution

Get_Right said:

josevolution said:

Bentleyspop said:

What I was looking at at 1 a.m.

brianlux said:

Bentleyspop said:

What I was looking at at 1 a.m.

I'm thinking along the same lines because I'm having a really hard time with the notion of living out my last years in a racist, homophobic, xenophobic, hate-filled, fascist, pro-dictatorship country that is populated by so many millions of ignorant fools.

Here’s what I started today my 1st step in getting my Chilean citizenship back!
https://goldenharbors.com/articles/chile-citizenship

Funny, both my kids have dual citizenship with the US and Japan. My daughter told me today that she is keeping her Japanese citizenship when she has to make a choice.

Get_Right said:

josevolution said:

darwinstheory said:

josevolution said:

Bentleyspop said:

What I was looking at at 1 a.m.

brianlux said:

Bentleyspop said:

What I was looking at at 1 a.m.

I'm thinking along the same lines because I'm having a really hard time with the notion of living out my last years in a racist, homophobic, xenophobic, hate-filled, fascist, pro-dictatorship country that is populated by so many millions of ignorant fools.

Here’s what I started today my 1st step in getting my Chilean citizenship back!
https://goldenharbors.com/articles/chile-citizenship

I'm hitting you up if/when I ever go to Patagonia! 

I was there two years ago I’m headed back there not Patagonia but close I have a nephew who’s a guide at a national park in that region I’m going to be looking at land to purchase and also looking at  houses that are for sale! My plan is to live at least the three months of summer there and the rest of year here! 

We have also started looking for houses in Japan. Live there in the winter. Somewhere south of Tokyo.

She’s smarter than me I should of never relinquished my Chilean citizenship but I did when I became an American citizen I had the choice to keep it I didn’t ughh but it’s ok I can get it back and now that I’m semi retired I have plenty of time to get it done! Japan is def a country I would love to visit 

tbergs

brianlux said:

tbergs said:

jerparker20 said:

cincybearcat said:

Bentleyspop said:

What I was looking at at 1 a.m.

Good luck, most countries have far more difficult immigration policy to navigate...

No one is going anywhere. Unless you have an excessive amount of money. Also, no country is going to open their arms to a bunch of Americans. We made our own beds…

I get really annoyed with the "I'm leaving the country" crowd. Although, if promises are kept, a lot of people will be leaving the country, but not by choice. 

Why would you be annoyed by people who are considering a choice for themselves?  Did someone tell you YOU should leave the country?  No.  Please don't do criticize people feeling desperate at a time like this.  That's just not cool.

Because it's a knee jerk reaction that feeds the conservative narrative that libs can't handle it and will run and hide. Fucking fight for what's right and make it known you disapprove of things this incoming administration will most likely try to do! Look at it this way, 67+ million people also agree with you. You are not alone and there are literally millions of people ready to stand with you in support of human rights. It may seem like an uphill battle, but it is not a forgone conclusion that we give in to authoritarianism. 

The Juggler

wnh1977 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

This notion that just cuz someone is rich means they are out of touch is bizarre. Are they living like Kardashians? No, they are still regular people doing goid work in the world. Out of touch propke don’t soend their time building skate parks for the underprivileged. And creating a foundation and working tirelessly to find a cure for a horrendous disease. And they don’t just throw money at these things. They spend TIME. 

Agree that they are doing amazing things.  100%.  I should have mentioned that originally.  Watching the videos of Jeff and the skate parks gives me goosebumps.  Seeing poor kids in a rural part of the country get an outlet is heartwarming.  Ed's support of EB, West Memphis 3, etc.  Mike and advocacy for Crohn's... But good works and political support are two different things.  If we're discussing the old argument of "the lesser of two evils" regarding the two-party system, I don't just default to the Democrats being the better option any more.  I used to... for the majority of my life.  They've lost me.

They lost you for Donald fucking Trump? 

How anyone can possibly have looked at this or even the last two as lesser of two evil elections is beyond me. Prior to '16---sure, yes, absolutely (I am someone who has voted for both parties before and even third party once). But when one of the options is a man who literally tried to overturn the results of the last election.......I mean, what the fuck are we talking about? Congrats on saving him from possible prison time. 


How did they lose your vote this specific election? What swung your vote? Genuinely curious. 

brianlux

tbergs said:

brianlux said:

tbergs said:

jerparker20 said:

cincybearcat said:

Bentleyspop said:

What I was looking at at 1 a.m.

Good luck, most countries have far more difficult immigration policy to navigate...

No one is going anywhere. Unless you have an excessive amount of money. Also, no country is going to open their arms to a bunch of Americans. We made our own beds…

I get really annoyed with the "I'm leaving the country" crowd. Although, if promises are kept, a lot of people will be leaving the country, but not by choice. 

Why would you be annoyed by people who are considering a choice for themselves?  Did someone tell you YOU should leave the country?  No.  Please don't do criticize people feeling desperate at a time like this.  That's just not cool.

Because it's a knee jerk reaction that feeds the conservative narrative that libs can't handle it and will run and hide. Fucking fight for what's right and make it known you disapprove of things this incoming administration will most likely try to do! Look at it this way, 67+ million people also agree with you. You are not alone and there are literally millions of people ready to stand with you in support of human rights. It may seem like an uphill battle, but it is not a forgone conclusion that we give in to authoritarianism. 

I can't argue with what you say here.  Actually pretty much agree with all of it.  But for me, this is no knee jerk reaction.  "Fucking fight for what's right"?  Sure.  Been doing that for the last 55 years. 

"How long we gotta play before we get paid?"

-Clint Conley (Mission of Burma)

HughFreakingDillon

What's the over/under on Ed talking about this at length on Friday? LOL

mace1229

brianlux said:

tbergs said:

jerparker20 said:

cincybearcat said:

Bentleyspop said:

What I was looking at at 1 a.m.

Good luck, most countries have far more difficult immigration policy to navigate...

No one is going anywhere. Unless you have an excessive amount of money. Also, no country is going to open their arms to a bunch of Americans. We made our own beds…

I get really annoyed with the "I'm leaving the country" crowd. Although, if promises are kept, a lot of people will be leaving the country, but not by choice. 

Why would you be annoyed by people who are considering a choice for themselves?  Did someone tell you YOU should leave the country?  No.  Please don't do criticize people feeling desperate at a time like this.  That's just not cool.

It’s annoying to me because we’ve been hearing it since Bush.
Now if someone is seriously considering it because they believe it will better their lives, that’s one thing. And some conversations here seem to be along those lines.

But the “I’m going to move to Canada if ____ wins” that has been repeated by the Hollywood celebrities for 20 years is just old at this point and I’m unaware of a single person following through on it.

hunterh75

Having Doug Emhoff on PJ radio was a very stupid move. 

Glorified KC

I have the O/U on number of press secretaries Trump goes through this next term at 5.5.

Poncier

Glorified KC said:

I have the O/U on number of press secretaries Trump goes through this next term at 5.5.

So, you're thinking he drops dead in early 2026?

Glorified KC

Poncier said:

Glorified KC said:

I have the O/U on number of press secretaries Trump goes through this next term at 5.5.

So, you're thinking he drops dead in early 2026?

Touche.

brianlux

How interesting that this election has emboldened several people who  all of the sudden find AMT worthy of their time.  The attack is on!

Well, enjoy your dictator, people.  Sorry about the buyer's remorse you will have to suffer through.

As for me, I'm moving on to greener pastures.  The inconsistency of what is and isn't allowed here is just not worth the headache.  I will miss some of you, others, good riddance. 

PM me if you want to keep in touch elsewhere.

Brian

eeriepadave

Anyone think that Trump could have rigged/tampered the election results, especially in "the swing states" like PA and MI? Thought crossed my mind and I was talking to my mom and she actually thinks the same thing . She thinks the truth will come out before January that him, Musk and the Russians/Putin tampered with the election. I wouldn't put it past him but I'm not sure. I hope this happens but we shall see.

Merkin Baller

eeriepadave said:

Anyone think that Trump could have rigged/tampered the election results, especially in "the swing states" like PA and MI? Thought crossed my mind and I was talking to my mom and she actually thinks the same thing . She thinks the truth will come out before January that him, Musk and the Russians/Putin tampered with the election. I wouldn't put it past him but I'm not sure. I hope this happens but we shall see.

I'm not inclined to think so, but having said that, every accusation from him & his team has turned out to be projection, so it would track. 

cincybearcat

Merkin Baller said:

eeriepadave said:

Anyone think that Trump could have rigged/tampered the election results, especially in "the swing states" like PA and MI? Thought crossed my mind and I was talking to my mom and she actually thinks the same thing . She thinks the truth will come out before January that him, Musk and the Russians/Putin tampered with the election. I wouldn't put it past him but I'm not sure. I hope this happens but we shall see.

I'm not inclined to think so, but having said that, every accusation from him & his team has turned out to be projection, so it would track. 

I think trump just won the election.  However, if you are talking Russia...I'm certain they did all they could to tamper with the election.

Gern Blansten

eeriepadave said:

Anyone think that Trump could have rigged/tampered the election results, especially in "the swing states" like PA and MI? Thought crossed my mind and I was talking to my mom and she actually thinks the same thing . She thinks the truth will come out before January that him, Musk and the Russians/Putin tampered with the election. I wouldn't put it past him but I'm not sure. I hope this happens but we shall see.

Russia definitely tampered but I think it was more misinformation rather than rigging results.

Unfortunately I think the right just did a better job of motivating GenZ males....maybe the dems focused too much on the females

Go Beavers

eeriepadave said:

Anyone think that Trump could have rigged/tampered the election results, especially in "the swing states" like PA and MI? Thought crossed my mind and I was talking to my mom and she actually thinks the same thing . She thinks the truth will come out before January that him, Musk and the Russians/Putin tampered with the election. I wouldn't put it past him but I'm not sure. I hope this happens but we shall see.

No. 

wnh1977

HughFreakingDillon said:

What's the over/under on Ed talking about this at length on Friday? LOL

In New Zealand?  Wow, that would be brave.

Merkin Baller

cincybearcat said:

Merkin Baller said:

eeriepadave said:

Anyone think that Trump could have rigged/tampered the election results, especially in "the swing states" like PA and MI? Thought crossed my mind and I was talking to my mom and she actually thinks the same thing . She thinks the truth will come out before January that him, Musk and the Russians/Putin tampered with the election. I wouldn't put it past him but I'm not sure. I hope this happens but we shall see.

I'm not inclined to think so, but having said that, every accusation from him & his team has turned out to be projection, so it would track. 

I think trump just won the election.  However, if you are talking Russia...I'm certain they did all they could to tamper with the election.

I agree.

I know Russia absolutely wanted trump to win and think they were actively spreading disinformation through social media all year, but having said that... trump won this election fair & square, you won't hear any different out of me.  

tbergs

Go Beavers said:

eeriepadave said:

Anyone think that Trump could have rigged/tampered the election results, especially in "the swing states" like PA and MI? Thought crossed my mind and I was talking to my mom and she actually thinks the same thing . She thinks the truth will come out before January that him, Musk and the Russians/Putin tampered with the election. I wouldn't put it past him but I'm not sure. I hope this happens but we shall see.

No. 

Yeah, hard no. It's legit as it has been in every election I have ever voted in. The flip side to this is that most Trump supporters still think 2020 was rigged and won't accept it. Small murmurs like the above from liberals, have a short shelf life and don't get blown up to a national level because that's not who we are. It certainly isn't something that will come up 4 years from now, but I expect to see R's ramping up voter fraud again around 2027, right before they try to pass some far right amendment that allows the current sitting president to determine who the electors in each state will be since the voting process is not secure.

The Juggler

Gern Blansten said:

eeriepadave said:

Anyone think that Trump could have rigged/tampered the election results, especially in "the swing states" like PA and MI? Thought crossed my mind and I was talking to my mom and she actually thinks the same thing . She thinks the truth will come out before January that him, Musk and the Russians/Putin tampered with the election. I wouldn't put it past him but I'm not sure. I hope this happens but we shall see.

Russia definitely tampered but I think it was more misinformation rather than rigging results.

Unfortunately I think the right just did a better job of motivating GenZ males....maybe the dems focused too much on the females

They did/do a fantastic job of keeping their voters misinformed about what is actually happening. We see it all the time in these very threads. This is pretty sad stuff. I don't know how these people are able to be reached. They just avoid reality at all costs. 

HughFreakingDillon

fear sells. 

Merkin Baller

The Juggler said:

Gern Blansten said:

eeriepadave said:

Anyone think that Trump could have rigged/tampered the election results, especially in "the swing states" like PA and MI? Thought crossed my mind and I was talking to my mom and she actually thinks the same thing . She thinks the truth will come out before January that him, Musk and the Russians/Putin tampered with the election. I wouldn't put it past him but I'm not sure. I hope this happens but we shall see.

Russia definitely tampered but I think it was more misinformation rather than rigging results.

Unfortunately I think the right just did a better job of motivating GenZ males....maybe the dems focused too much on the females

They did/do a fantastic job of keeping their voters misinformed about what is actually happening. We see it all the time in these very threads. This is pretty sad stuff. I don't know how these people are able to be reached. They just avoid reality at all costs. 

& some will die on the hill that democrats' messaging about one of these issues is why they lost. 

We're so fucked. 

The Juggler

Merkin Baller said:

The Juggler said:

Gern Blansten said:

eeriepadave said:

Anyone think that Trump could have rigged/tampered the election results, especially in "the swing states" like PA and MI? Thought crossed my mind and I was talking to my mom and she actually thinks the same thing . She thinks the truth will come out before January that him, Musk and the Russians/Putin tampered with the election. I wouldn't put it past him but I'm not sure. I hope this happens but we shall see.

Russia definitely tampered but I think it was more misinformation rather than rigging results.

Unfortunately I think the right just did a better job of motivating GenZ males....maybe the dems focused too much on the females

They did/do a fantastic job of keeping their voters misinformed about what is actually happening. We see it all the time in these very threads. This is pretty sad stuff. I don't know how these people are able to be reached. They just avoid reality at all costs. 

& some will die on the hill that democrats' messaging about one of these issues is why they lost. 

We're so fucked. 

Well they have never been good at messaging. I think they should have done a much better job starting from 3 years ago in explaining why inflation was happening and beating the drum that it was affecting the entire world. If they did a better job at informing people about that from the get go, at least some portion of these voters would've have rightly given them credit for mitigating it better than any other country. The media deserves TONS of blame for not doing this as well. Ultimately a lot of this comes down to education. It's no surprise that Trump loves the poorly educated. They are everyone in this country, sadly. 

I'm wondering what all these dopes are gonna say in a few years when they realize the cost of their bacon is even higher than it was today. lol

Merkin Baller

The Juggler said:

Merkin Baller said:

The Juggler said:

Gern Blansten said:

eeriepadave said:

Anyone think that Trump could have rigged/tampered the election results, especially in "the swing states" like PA and MI? Thought crossed my mind and I was talking to my mom and she actually thinks the same thing . She thinks the truth will come out before January that him, Musk and the Russians/Putin tampered with the election. I wouldn't put it past him but I'm not sure. I hope this happens but we shall see.

Russia definitely tampered but I think it was more misinformation rather than rigging results.

Unfortunately I think the right just did a better job of motivating GenZ males....maybe the dems focused too much on the females

They did/do a fantastic job of keeping their voters misinformed about what is actually happening. We see it all the time in these very threads. This is pretty sad stuff. I don't know how these people are able to be reached. They just avoid reality at all costs. 

& some will die on the hill that democrats' messaging about one of these issues is why they lost. 

We're so fucked. 

Well they have never been good at messaging. I think they should have done a much better job starting from 3 years ago in explaining why inflation was happening and beating the drum that it was affecting the entire world. If they did a better job at informing people about that from the get go, at least some portion of these voters would've have rightly given them credit for mitigating it better than any other country. The media deserves TONS of blame for not doing this as well. Ultimately a lot of this comes down to education. It's no surprise that Trump loves the poorly educated. They are everyone in this country, sadly. 

I'm wondering what all these dopes are gonna say in a few years when they realize the cost of their bacon is even higher than it was today. lol

I agree, democrats have a major problem with messaging, I just think it's absurd to point at it as the singular problem why they lost (Not that you were saying that).

One thing they missed big was the trans issue. Clearly it's a big one for a lot of Americans, and shouldn't have been glossed over. IDK how they could have tackled it, but ignoring it was a mistake. 

Democrats fucked up bigtime, no doubt, but there was no shortage of other issues that cost them this election. 

Gern Blansten

Merkin Baller said:

The Juggler said:

Gern Blansten said:

eeriepadave said:

Anyone think that Trump could have rigged/tampered the election results, especially in "the swing states" like PA and MI? Thought crossed my mind and I was talking to my mom and she actually thinks the same thing . She thinks the truth will come out before January that him, Musk and the Russians/Putin tampered with the election. I wouldn't put it past him but I'm not sure. I hope this happens but we shall see.

Russia definitely tampered but I think it was more misinformation rather than rigging results.

Unfortunately I think the right just did a better job of motivating GenZ males....maybe the dems focused too much on the females

They did/do a fantastic job of keeping their voters misinformed about what is actually happening. We see it all the time in these very threads. This is pretty sad stuff. I don't know how these people are able to be reached. They just avoid reality at all costs. 

& some will die on the hill that democrats' messaging about one of these issues is why they lost. 

We're so fucked. 

yep...that's my fear...the messaging doesn't matter...it's the fucking meme