Who will be the Democratic nominee?

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  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 16,025
    mickeyrat said:
    Lots of places where this could go

    Dr said today Biden possesses classic Parkinson’s.  Reviewing the symptoms appears he’s correct.  

    so the specialist who saw him for his annual physical is lying or the WH Dr is then?
    How bout everyone is lying about everything!  It wasn’t his drs it was an independent physician.  
    Yep, the entire Biden team has lied to us.  He was clearly in a mental free fall for a while.    Democrats should be outraged at their party leaders for keeping their heads in the sand, and should be booing Jill Biden every time she speaks because she first hand sees it and props him up like Weekend at Bernie’s. She may think she is helping him (she knows better), but what a way to honor your spouse by having the world watch his deterioration.


  • teskeincteskeinc Posts: 1,784
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    mickeyrat said:
    Lots of places where this could go

    Dr said today Biden possesses classic Parkinson’s.  Reviewing the symptoms appears he’s correct.  

    so the specialist who saw him for his annual physical is lying or the WH Dr is then?
    How bout everyone is lying about everything!  It wasn’t his drs it was an independent physician.  
    Yep, the entire Biden team has lied to us.  He was clearly in a mental free fall for a while.    Democrats should be outraged at their party leaders for keeping their heads in the sand, and should be booing Jill Biden every time she speaks because she first hand sees it and props him up like Weekend at Bernie’s. She may think she is helping him (she knows better), but what a way to honor your spouse by having the world watch his deterioration.


    More conservative news organizations like FOX were reporting this since Biden was elected.  The CNNs and MSNBCs had surrogates saying that Joe is “sharp as a tack” and that it was just a right wing conspiracy theory. Now that “Joe is in free fall” and the media is trying to get him out we find out all his questions in interviews had to be pre-approved. He had to have giant sized pictures on how to get to a podium. He’s an active President from 10-4PM now. 
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,564
    bootlegger10 said:


     Democrats should be outraged at their party leaders for keeping their heads in the sand, and should be booing Jill Biden every time she speaks because she first hand sees it and props him up like Weekend at Bernie’s. She may think she is helping him (she knows better), but what a way to honor your spouse by having the world watch his deterioration.


    Why would you say such a thing about a fellow fan?


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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,749
    mickeyrat said:
    Lots of places where this could go

    Dr said today Biden possesses classic Parkinson’s.  Reviewing the symptoms appears he’s correct.  

    so the specialist who saw him for his annual physical is lying or the WH Dr is then?

    Someone is definitely lying. The Dems are losing the honesty game to trump, full stop.
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,771
    Josh Shapiro
    Lol...Democrats will be telling us about Q inside of a week

    https://x.com/AlexThomp/status/1811373948140917101


  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 16,025
    This is good insight for Dems in how they can’t comprehend voting for Trump even if you don’t like him.

    Dems will vote for Biden (an empty chair) because they will trust the team around him to make good decisions.

    Many republicans dislike Trump but vote for him because they hope people around him rein him in. 
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,876
    edited July 11
    This is good insight for Dems in how they can’t comprehend voting for Trump even if you don’t like him.

    Dems will vote for Biden (an empty chair) because they will trust the team around him to make good decisions.

    Many republicans dislike Trump but vote for him because they hope people around him rein him in. 
    Except Repubs can't make that claim based on what we already saw in the 1st term and what is already in the works for a 2nd term with Project 2025, but good try both sides-ing this.

    Also, I am sure Biden and the dems will probably go on a stop the steal tour and hold a rally at the capital and then spend 4 years doing rallies and promoting the revenge tour. Yeah, old Biden voting democrats and Trump voting repubs are the same, totally.
    Post edited by tbergs on
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,876
    teskeinc said:
    Fortunately the vote to not demand proof of citizenship will help Democrats this fall. I don’t think Trump will have a shot if they can get even a small percentage of the migrants who crossed through the open border illegally the last 3.5 years to get out and vote. The threat Trump will “mass deport” should mitigate their fear. Also the ballot harvesters used in 2020 will also impact more votes in districts that are less enthusiastic about heading to the polls. Hopefully donors will come thru with “incentives” to help people fill out those mail-ins. The last line of defense will be the drop boxes and the count staff as well. 
    You believe this shit or you just stirring the pot? Wacky.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,293
    tbergs said:
    teskeinc said:
    Fortunately the vote to not demand proof of citizenship will help Democrats this fall. I don’t think Trump will have a shot if they can get even a small percentage of the migrants who crossed through the open border illegally the last 3.5 years to get out and vote. The threat Trump will “mass deport” should mitigate their fear. Also the ballot harvesters used in 2020 will also impact more votes in districts that are less enthusiastic about heading to the polls. Hopefully donors will come thru with “incentives” to help people fill out those mail-ins. The last line of defense will be the drop boxes and the count staff as well. 
    You believe this shit or you just stirring the pot? Wacky.
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  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 16,025
    tbergs said:
    This is good insight for Dems in how they can’t comprehend voting for Trump even if you don’t like him.

    Dems will vote for Biden (an empty chair) because they will trust the team around him to make good decisions.

    Many republicans dislike Trump but vote for him because they hope people around him rein him in. 
    Except Repubs can't make that claim based on what we already saw in the 1st term and what is already in the works for a 2nd term with Project 2025, but good try both sides-ing this.

    Also, I am sure Biden and the dems will probably go on a stop the steal tour and hold a rally at the capital and then spend 4 years doing rallies and promoting the revenge tour. Yeah, old Biden voting democrats and Trump voting repubs are the same, totally.
    Nope, voting for Biden in spite of him not being their mentally to avoid the other party's policies is the same as someone voting for Trump where voter fraud rallies/lying on financial statements while terrible have no impact on Trump's policies (character/integrity for sure) and thus they are voting for someone they don't like (or in Dems case a puppet of unknown people that deceived the public about his health) because of the other parties' policies.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,488
    Joe Biden
    tbergs said:
    This is good insight for Dems in how they can’t comprehend voting for Trump even if you don’t like him.

    Dems will vote for Biden (an empty chair) because they will trust the team around him to make good decisions.

    Many republicans dislike Trump but vote for him because they hope people around him rein him in. 
    Except Repubs can't make that claim based on what we already saw in the 1st term and what is already in the works for a 2nd term with Project 2025, but good try both sides-ing this.

    Also, I am sure Biden and the dems will probably go on a stop the steal tour and hold a rally at the capital and then spend 4 years doing rallies and promoting the revenge tour. Yeah, old Biden voting democrats and Trump voting repubs are the same, totally.
    This bothsides-ing nonsense has jumped the sharks with the Karen movement.  Overused.

    If you don't think that a large chunk of both parties will vote for whomever represents their party regardless of any other factors other than the "D" or "R" next to them name.....I don't know what to tell you.  I don't think it's "bothsides-ing"...but that always seems to be the comeback.
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,876
    tbergs said:
    This is good insight for Dems in how they can’t comprehend voting for Trump even if you don’t like him.

    Dems will vote for Biden (an empty chair) because they will trust the team around him to make good decisions.

    Many republicans dislike Trump but vote for him because they hope people around him rein him in. 
    Except Repubs can't make that claim based on what we already saw in the 1st term and what is already in the works for a 2nd term with Project 2025, but good try both sides-ing this.

    Also, I am sure Biden and the dems will probably go on a stop the steal tour and hold a rally at the capital and then spend 4 years doing rallies and promoting the revenge tour. Yeah, old Biden voting democrats and Trump voting repubs are the same, totally.
    This bothsides-ing nonsense has jumped the sharks with the Karen movement.  Overused.

    If you don't think that a large chunk of both parties will vote for whomever represents their party regardless of any other factors other than the "D" or "R" next to them name.....I don't know what to tell you.  I don't think it's "bothsides-ing"...but that always seems to be the comeback.
    When that's exactly what the comment is inferring, then yeah, it's both sides-ing. Trying to make an overall comparison based on one aspect and acting like that is it, is ridiculous. You could maybe make this comparison if Biden didn't have a good team around him throughout the 1st term and chose loyalists, donors and family to run (dismantle) parts of the government. Trying to justify republicans who dislike Trump who will still vote for him because they "hope" people around him will rein him in is the worst excuse I have ever heard. People saying that are just trying to save face, are liars or aren't grounded in reality over the last 8 years. I'm pretty sure it's just the first 2, but I'm sure there are some that fall under the 3rd.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,749
    Pretty chilling from CNN,

    Biden’s appearance in California struck attendees as starkly different from a fundraising gala he attended in March at Radio City Music Hall in New York, one Democrat guest told CNN, when Biden appeared on stage with Obama and former President Bill Clinton.

    “There is a marked difference in the president from the spring to the summer,” a senior Democrat told CNN. “He’s just not the same.”

    Back in Washington, there have been clear signs throughout his term of Biden being increasingly stage-managed, with lists of talking points, names of questioners and drawings of where he should walk presented to him by aides. Ahead of closed-door Cabinet meetings that Biden attends, it is customary for Cabinet officials to submit questions and key talking points that they plan to present in front of Biden ahead of time to White House aides, two sources with direct knowledge told CNN.

    “The entire display is kind of an act,” one of those sources told CNN. “They would come and say, ‘Hey, the president is going to call on you about 25 minutes in, and ask this question. What are the bullet points you’ll respond with?’”

    The second source, who echoed that same description, said when Biden attends Cabinet meetings, they are “not free-wheeling, and pretty well-orchestrated.” And the meetings themselves are infrequent, with one Cabinet secretary telling CNN they are uncertain of Biden’s condition because they so rarely see him.

    In fact, the last full Cabinet meeting took place on October 2, 2023. Sources also said Cabinet meetings during the Obama years, which Biden attended as vice president, were not pre-scripted this way.

    ‘This is going to get worse’

    Even as the oldest sitting president in history, at 81, Biden’s halting performance at CNN’s presidential debate last month came as a serious shock to most inside the White House and across the administration, including senior officials who have known the president for years and regularly have private conversations and meetings with him.

    CNN talked to more than two dozen current and former Democratic officials, donors and longtime Biden allies, all of whom spoke on condition of anonymity to avoid alienating Biden and discuss sensitive health matters verboten by the White House. While it’s clear the president had aged in the past year, none of them said they had seen the version of Biden, faltering and dazed, that showed up at last month’s debate.

    In many of these conversations, sources blamed the president’s inner circle of advisers and family for what they said has become a painstakingly choreographed daily operation designed to prevent him from being in unscripted settings for extended periods of time.

    “There’s this general sense of just, unbelievable holding your breath every time he does an event, every time he’s with people,” one top Democrat in close touch with Biden’s inner circle of advisers told CNN. This person added that some of those advisers have privately acknowledged: “This is going to get worse.”

    That Democrat was blunt about how the president’s closest advisers have responded to any criticism or concerns expressed about the president – including his age and fitness: “Everyone who expresses any level of suspicion or contrary views? They call everyone and they beat the s*** out of them and say: ‘Stay on message.’”

    At least one official involved in Biden’s debate prep at Camp David raised doubts about his ability  after seeing how rehearsals were going, according to one source briefed on those preparations.


  • cblock4lifecblock4life Posts: 1,747
    Sounds to me like the people around him need impeached (don’t go crazy I understand impeachment).
    It very well may be elder abuse.  I noticed Julia Roberts didn’t look thrilled either at that fund raiser.  
  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 16,025
    tbergs said:
    tbergs said:
    This is good insight for Dems in how they can’t comprehend voting for Trump even if you don’t like him.

    Dems will vote for Biden (an empty chair) because they will trust the team around him to make good decisions.

    Many republicans dislike Trump but vote for him because they hope people around him rein him in. 
    Except Repubs can't make that claim based on what we already saw in the 1st term and what is already in the works for a 2nd term with Project 2025, but good try both sides-ing this.

    Also, I am sure Biden and the dems will probably go on a stop the steal tour and hold a rally at the capital and then spend 4 years doing rallies and promoting the revenge tour. Yeah, old Biden voting democrats and Trump voting repubs are the same, totally.
    This bothsides-ing nonsense has jumped the sharks with the Karen movement.  Overused.

    If you don't think that a large chunk of both parties will vote for whomever represents their party regardless of any other factors other than the "D" or "R" next to them name.....I don't know what to tell you.  I don't think it's "bothsides-ing"...but that always seems to be the comeback.
    When that's exactly what the comment is inferring, then yeah, it's both sides-ing. Trying to make an overall comparison based on one aspect and acting like that is it, is ridiculous. You could maybe make this comparison if Biden didn't have a good team around him throughout the 1st term and chose loyalists, donors and family to run (dismantle) parts of the government. Trying to justify republicans who dislike Trump who will still vote for him because they "hope" people around him will rein him in is the worst excuse I have ever heard. People saying that are just trying to save face, are liars or aren't grounded in reality over the last 8 years. I'm pretty sure it's just the first 2, but I'm sure there are some that fall under the 3rd.
    Nope, just making a comparison that Dems will vote for a rock to avoid the other party and getting a taste of having to grin and bear it when clicking the vote button.

    i didn’t vote for Trump and voted for Biden in 2020 so don’t fit your three scenarios.  

    Will say this:  Trump does what he says for the most part, but Dems are voting for a shadow government.  I wouldn’t be too proud of that.
  • cblock4lifecblock4life Posts: 1,747
    The whole “cold” excuse is such bull crap.  Med prof say it’s a clear symptom of Parkinson’s when combined with his other actions/symptoms. 
  • teskeincteskeinc Posts: 1,784
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    The craziest thing is the party who supposedly is running to “Save Democracy” is wanting to remove a candidate against what their party voted for simply because the polls say he can’t win. Isn’t that the opposite of democracy? 
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,771
    Josh Shapiro
    teskeinc said:
    The craziest thing is the party who supposedly is running to “Save Democracy” is wanting to remove a candidate against what their party voted for simply because the polls say he can’t win. Isn’t that the opposite of democracy? 
    It's because he's physically/mentally incapable of performing the duties of the office but you know this
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,771
    Josh Shapiro
    And we're off!


  • DE4173DE4173 Posts: 808
    Kamala Harris
    pjl44 said:
    And we're off!



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    Biden, with Zelenskyy next to him,  just introduced him as Mr Putin!!!! 😂😂
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,337
    edited July 11
    I went off the grid for a few days and came back desperately hoping Biden had come to his senses and dropped out of the race.

    It doesn't look like he's going to, so he needs to be pushed out.

    Get on with it already Democrats. Biden is a dead man walking.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,293
    Brandon's corpse is a better alternative to the repub offering.
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,771
    Josh Shapiro
    Brandon's corpse is a better alternative to the repub offering.
    But do enough people in Michigan prefer the corpse?
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,209
    Joe Biden
    pjl44 said:
    Brandon's corpse is a better alternative to the repub offering.
    But do enough people in Michigan prefer the corpse?

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    Brandon's corpse is a better alternative to the repub offering.
    That’s the deranged mentality that’s sinking the Democratic Party. 
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,771
    Josh Shapiro
    mickeyrat said:
    pjl44 said:
    Brandon's corpse is a better alternative to the repub offering.
    But do enough people in Michigan prefer the corpse?

    1.6 billion grant to gm and stellantis to convert shuttered auto plants to ev plants.....


    With the multiple layers of cynicism, this reply is a decent microcosm for why Republicans aren't getting trounced at the voting booth
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,749
    “I wouldn’t have picked vice president Trump to be vice president , if I didn’t think she couldn’t be president.”

    Good grief, he does that on the debate stage trump would turn him into ground beef.
  • cblock4lifecblock4life Posts: 1,747
    tbergs said:
    tbergs said:
    This is good insight for Dems in how they can’t comprehend voting for Trump even if you don’t like him.

    Dems will vote for Biden (an empty chair) because they will trust the team around him to make good decisions.

    Many republicans dislike Trump but vote for him because they hope people around him rein him in. 
    Except Repubs can't make that claim based on what we already saw in the 1st term and what is already in the works for a 2nd term with Project 2025, but good try both sides-ing this.

    Also, I am sure Biden and the dems will probably go on a stop the steal tour and hold a rally at the capital and then spend 4 years doing rallies and promoting the revenge tour. Yeah, old Biden voting democrats and Trump voting repubs are the same, totally.
    This bothsides-ing nonsense has jumped the sharks with the Karen movement.  Overused.

    If you don't think that a large chunk of both parties will vote for whomever represents their party regardless of any other factors other than the "D" or "R" next to them name.....I don't know what to tell you.  I don't think it's "bothsides-ing"...but that always seems to be the comeback.
    When that's exactly what the comment is inferring, then yeah, it's both sides-ing. Trying to make an overall comparison based on one aspect and acting like that is it, is ridiculous. You could maybe make this comparison if Biden didn't have a good team around him throughout the 1st term and chose loyalists, donors and family to run (dismantle) parts of the government. Trying to justify republicans who dislike Trump who will still vote for him because they "hope" people around him will rein him in is the worst excuse I have ever heard. People saying that are just trying to save face, are liars or aren't grounded in reality over the last 8 years. I'm pretty sure it's just the first 2, but I'm sure there are some that fall under the 3rd.
    Nope, just making a comparison that Dems will vote for a rock to avoid the other party and getting a taste of having to grin and bear it when clicking the vote button.

    i didn’t vote for Trump and voted for Biden in 2020 so don’t fit your three scenarios.  

    Will say this:  Trump does what he says for the most part, but Dems are voting for a shadow government.  I wouldn’t be too proud of that.
    tbergs said:
    tbergs said:
    This is good insight for Dems in how they can’t comprehend voting for Trump even if you don’t like him.

    Dems will vote for Biden (an empty chair) because they will trust the team around him to make good decisions.

    Many republicans dislike Trump but vote for him because they hope people around him rein him in. 
    Except Repubs can't make that claim based on what we already saw in the 1st term and what is already in the works for a 2nd term with Project 2025, but good try both sides-ing this.

    Also, I am sure Biden and the dems will probably go on a stop the steal tour and hold a rally at the capital and then spend 4 years doing rallies and promoting the revenge tour. Yeah, old Biden voting democrats and Trump voting repubs are the same, totally.
    This bothsides-ing nonsense has jumped the sharks with the Karen movement.  Overused.

    If you don't think that a large chunk of both parties will vote for whomever represents their party regardless of any other factors other than the "D" or "R" next to them name.....I don't know what to tell you.  I don't think it's "bothsides-ing"...but that always seems to be the comeback.
    When that's exactly what the comment is inferring, then yeah, it's both sides-ing. Trying to make an overall comparison based on one aspect and acting like that is it, is ridiculous. You could maybe make this comparison if Biden didn't have a good team around him throughout the 1st term and chose loyalists, donors and family to run (dismantle) parts of the government. Trying to justify republicans who dislike Trump who will still vote for him because they "hope" people around him will rein him in is the worst excuse I have ever heard. People saying that are just trying to save face, are liars or aren't grounded in reality over the last 8 years. I'm pretty sure it's just the first 2, but I'm sure there are some that fall under the 3rd.
    Nope, just making a comparison that Dems will vote for a rock to avoid the other party and getting a taste of having to grin and bear it when clicking the vote button.

    i didn’t vote for Trump and voted for Biden in 2020 so don’t fit your three scenarios.  

    Will say this:  Trump does what he says for the most part, but Dems are voting for a shadow government.  I wouldn’t be too proud of that.
    I don’t find this always true for either party.  I’ve heard plenty of republicans say they would never vote for trump again and as a dem I almost voted for trump instead of Clinton until he started his obnoxious behavior.  
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    Anyway…..:
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