Who will be the Democratic nominee?

cincybearcat

Joe Biden

tbergs said:

bootlegger10 said:

This is good insight for Dems in how they can’t comprehend voting for Trump even if you don’t like him.

Dems will vote for Biden (an empty chair) because they will trust the team around him to make good decisions.

Many republicans dislike Trump but vote for him because they hope people around him rein him in. 

Except Repubs can't make that claim based on what we already saw in the 1st term and what is already in the works for a 2nd term with Project 2025, but good try both sides-ing this.

Also, I am sure Biden and the dems will probably go on a stop the steal tour and hold a rally at the capital and then spend 4 years doing rallies and promoting the revenge tour. Yeah, old Biden voting democrats and Trump voting repubs are the same, totally.

This bothsides-ing nonsense has jumped the sharks with the Karen movement.  Overused.

If you don't think that a large chunk of both parties will vote for whomever represents their party regardless of any other factors other than the "D" or "R" next to them name.....I don't know what to tell you.  I don't think it's "bothsides-ing"...but that always seems to be the comeback.

tbergs

cincybearcat said:

tbergs said:

bootlegger10 said:

This is good insight for Dems in how they can’t comprehend voting for Trump even if you don’t like him.

Dems will vote for Biden (an empty chair) because they will trust the team around him to make good decisions.

Many republicans dislike Trump but vote for him because they hope people around him rein him in. 

Except Repubs can't make that claim based on what we already saw in the 1st term and what is already in the works for a 2nd term with Project 2025, but good try both sides-ing this.

Also, I am sure Biden and the dems will probably go on a stop the steal tour and hold a rally at the capital and then spend 4 years doing rallies and promoting the revenge tour. Yeah, old Biden voting democrats and Trump voting repubs are the same, totally.

This bothsides-ing nonsense has jumped the sharks with the Karen movement.  Overused.

If you don't think that a large chunk of both parties will vote for whomever represents their party regardless of any other factors other than the "D" or "R" next to them name.....I don't know what to tell you.  I don't think it's "bothsides-ing"...but that always seems to be the comeback.

When that's exactly what the comment is inferring, then yeah, it's both sides-ing. Trying to make an overall comparison based on one aspect and acting like that is it, is ridiculous. You could maybe make this comparison if Biden didn't have a good team around him throughout the 1st term and chose loyalists, donors and family to run (dismantle) parts of the government. Trying to justify republicans who dislike Trump who will still vote for him because they "hope" people around him will rein him in is the worst excuse I have ever heard. People saying that are just trying to save face, are liars or aren't grounded in reality over the last 8 years. I'm pretty sure it's just the first 2, but I'm sure there are some that fall under the 3rd.

Lerxst1992

Pretty chilling from CNN,

Biden’s appearance in California struck attendees as starkly different from a fundraising gala he attended in March at Radio City Music Hall in New York, one Democrat guest told CNN, when Biden appeared on stage with Obama and former President Bill Clinton.

“There is a marked difference in the president from the spring to the summer,” a senior Democrat told CNN. “He’s just not the same.”

Back in Washington, there have been clear signs throughout his term of Biden being increasingly stage-managed, with lists of talking points, names of questioners and drawings of where he should walk presented to him by aides. Ahead of closed-door Cabinet meetings that Biden attends, it is customary for Cabinet officials to submit questions and key talking points that they plan to present in front of Biden ahead of time to White House aides, two sources with direct knowledge told CNN.

“The entire display is kind of an act,” one of those sources told CNN. “They would come and say, ‘Hey, the president is going to call on you about 25 minutes in, and ask this question. What are the bullet points you’ll respond with?’”

The second source, who echoed that same description, said when Biden attends Cabinet meetings, they are “not free-wheeling, and pretty well-orchestrated.” And the meetings themselves are infrequent, with one Cabinet secretary telling CNN they are uncertain of Biden’s condition because they so rarely see him.

In fact, the last full Cabinet meeting took place on October 2, 2023. Sources also said Cabinet meetings during the Obama years, which Biden attended as vice president, were not pre-scripted this way.

‘This is going to get worse’

Even as the oldest sitting president in history, at 81, Biden’s halting performance at CNN’s presidential debate last month came as a serious shock to most inside the White House and across the administration, including senior officials who have known the president for years and regularly have private conversations and meetings with him.

CNN talked to more than two dozen current and former Democratic officials, donors and longtime Biden allies, all of whom spoke on condition of anonymity to avoid alienating Biden and discuss sensitive health matters verboten by the White House. While it’s clear the president had aged in the past year, none of them said they had seen the version of Biden, faltering and dazed, that showed up at last month’s debate.

In many of these conversations, sources blamed the president’s inner circle of advisers and family for what they said has become a painstakingly choreographed daily operation designed to prevent him from being in unscripted settings for extended periods of time.

“There’s this general sense of just, unbelievable holding your breath every time he does an event, every time he’s with people,” one top Democrat in close touch with Biden’s inner circle of advisers told CNN. This person added that some of those advisers have privately acknowledged: “This is going to get worse.”

That Democrat was blunt about how the president’s closest advisers have responded to any criticism or concerns expressed about the president – including his age and fitness: “Everyone who expresses any level of suspicion or contrary views? They call everyone and they beat the s*** out of them and say: ‘Stay on message.’”

At least one official involved in Biden’s debate prep at Camp David raised doubts about his ability  after seeing how rehearsals were going, according to one source briefed on those preparations.

cblock4life

Sounds to me like the people around him need impeached (don’t go crazy I understand impeachment).

It very well may be elder abuse.  I noticed Julia Roberts didn’t look thrilled either at that fund raiser.  

bootlegger10

tbergs said:

cincybearcat said:

tbergs said:

bootlegger10 said:

This is good insight for Dems in how they can’t comprehend voting for Trump even if you don’t like him.

Dems will vote for Biden (an empty chair) because they will trust the team around him to make good decisions.

Many republicans dislike Trump but vote for him because they hope people around him rein him in. 

Except Repubs can't make that claim based on what we already saw in the 1st term and what is already in the works for a 2nd term with Project 2025, but good try both sides-ing this.

Also, I am sure Biden and the dems will probably go on a stop the steal tour and hold a rally at the capital and then spend 4 years doing rallies and promoting the revenge tour. Yeah, old Biden voting democrats and Trump voting repubs are the same, totally.

This bothsides-ing nonsense has jumped the sharks with the Karen movement.  Overused.

If you don't think that a large chunk of both parties will vote for whomever represents their party regardless of any other factors other than the "D" or "R" next to them name.....I don't know what to tell you.  I don't think it's "bothsides-ing"...but that always seems to be the comeback.

When that's exactly what the comment is inferring, then yeah, it's both sides-ing. Trying to make an overall comparison based on one aspect and acting like that is it, is ridiculous. You could maybe make this comparison if Biden didn't have a good team around him throughout the 1st term and chose loyalists, donors and family to run (dismantle) parts of the government. Trying to justify republicans who dislike Trump who will still vote for him because they "hope" people around him will rein him in is the worst excuse I have ever heard. People saying that are just trying to save face, are liars or aren't grounded in reality over the last 8 years. I'm pretty sure it's just the first 2, but I'm sure there are some that fall under the 3rd.

Nope, just making a comparison that Dems will vote for a rock to avoid the other party and getting a taste of having to grin and bear it when clicking the vote button.

i didn’t vote for Trump and voted for Biden in 2020 so don’t fit your three scenarios.  

Will say this:  Trump does what he says for the most part, but Dems are voting for a shadow government.  I wouldn’t be too proud of that.

cblock4life

The whole “cold” excuse is such bull crap.  Med prof say it’s a clear symptom of Parkinson’s when combined with his other actions/symptoms. 

teskeinc

Other

The craziest thing is the party who supposedly is running to “Save Democracy” is wanting to remove a candidate against what their party voted for simply because the polls say he can’t win. Isn’t that the opposite of democracy? 

pjl44

Josh Shapiro

teskeinc said:

The craziest thing is the party who supposedly is running to “Save Democracy” is wanting to remove a candidate against what their party voted for simply because the polls say he can’t win. Isn’t that the opposite of democracy? 

It's because he's physically/mentally incapable of performing the duties of the office but you know this

pjl44

Josh Shapiro

And we're off!

DE4173

Kamala Harris

pjl44 said:

And we're off!

teskeinc

Other

Biden, with Zelenskyy next to him,  just introduced him as Mr Putin!!!! 😂😂

dignin

I went off the grid for a few days and came back desperately hoping Biden had come to his senses and dropped out of the race.

It doesn't look like he's going to, so he needs to be pushed out.

Get on with it already Democrats. Biden is a dead man walking.

Halifax2TheMax

Brandon's corpse is a better alternative to the repub offering.

pjl44

Josh Shapiro

Halifax2TheMax said:

Brandon's corpse is a better alternative to the repub offering.

But do enough people in Michigan prefer the corpse?

mickeyrat

Joe Biden

pjl44 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Brandon's corpse is a better alternative to the repub offering.

But do enough people in Michigan prefer the corpse?

1.6 billion grant to gm and stellantis to convert shuttered auto plants to ev plants.....

teskeinc

Other

Halifax2TheMax said:

Brandon's corpse is a better alternative to the repub offering.

That’s the deranged mentality that’s sinking the Democratic Party. 

pjl44

Josh Shapiro

mickeyrat said:

pjl44 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Brandon's corpse is a better alternative to the repub offering.

But do enough people in Michigan prefer the corpse?

1.6 billion grant to gm and stellantis to convert shuttered auto plants to ev plants.....

With the multiple layers of cynicism, this reply is a decent microcosm for why Republicans aren't getting trounced at the voting booth

Lerxst1992

“I wouldn’t have picked vice president Trump to be vice president , if I didn’t think she couldn’t be president.”

Good grief, he does that on the debate stage trump would turn him into ground beef.

cblock4life

bootlegger10 said:

tbergs said:

cincybearcat said:

tbergs said:

bootlegger10 said:

This is good insight for Dems in how they can’t comprehend voting for Trump even if you don’t like him.

Dems will vote for Biden (an empty chair) because they will trust the team around him to make good decisions.

Many republicans dislike Trump but vote for him because they hope people around him rein him in. 

Except Repubs can't make that claim based on what we already saw in the 1st term and what is already in the works for a 2nd term with Project 2025, but good try both sides-ing this.

Also, I am sure Biden and the dems will probably go on a stop the steal tour and hold a rally at the capital and then spend 4 years doing rallies and promoting the revenge tour. Yeah, old Biden voting democrats and Trump voting repubs are the same, totally.

This bothsides-ing nonsense has jumped the sharks with the Karen movement.  Overused.

If you don't think that a large chunk of both parties will vote for whomever represents their party regardless of any other factors other than the "D" or "R" next to them name.....I don't know what to tell you.  I don't think it's "bothsides-ing"...but that always seems to be the comeback.

When that's exactly what the comment is inferring, then yeah, it's both sides-ing. Trying to make an overall comparison based on one aspect and acting like that is it, is ridiculous. You could maybe make this comparison if Biden didn't have a good team around him throughout the 1st term and chose loyalists, donors and family to run (dismantle) parts of the government. Trying to justify republicans who dislike Trump who will still vote for him because they "hope" people around him will rein him in is the worst excuse I have ever heard. People saying that are just trying to save face, are liars or aren't grounded in reality over the last 8 years. I'm pretty sure it's just the first 2, but I'm sure there are some that fall under the 3rd.

Nope, just making a comparison that Dems will vote for a rock to avoid the other party and getting a taste of having to grin and bear it when clicking the vote button.

i didn’t vote for Trump and voted for Biden in 2020 so don’t fit your three scenarios.  

Will say this:  Trump does what he says for the most part, but Dems are voting for a shadow government.  I wouldn’t be too proud of that.

bootlegger10 said:

tbergs said:

cincybearcat said:

tbergs said:

bootlegger10 said:

This is good insight for Dems in how they can’t comprehend voting for Trump even if you don’t like him.

Dems will vote for Biden (an empty chair) because they will trust the team around him to make good decisions.

Many republicans dislike Trump but vote for him because they hope people around him rein him in. 

Except Repubs can't make that claim based on what we already saw in the 1st term and what is already in the works for a 2nd term with Project 2025, but good try both sides-ing this.

Also, I am sure Biden and the dems will probably go on a stop the steal tour and hold a rally at the capital and then spend 4 years doing rallies and promoting the revenge tour. Yeah, old Biden voting democrats and Trump voting repubs are the same, totally.

This bothsides-ing nonsense has jumped the sharks with the Karen movement.  Overused.

If you don't think that a large chunk of both parties will vote for whomever represents their party regardless of any other factors other than the "D" or "R" next to them name.....I don't know what to tell you.  I don't think it's "bothsides-ing"...but that always seems to be the comeback.

When that's exactly what the comment is inferring, then yeah, it's both sides-ing. Trying to make an overall comparison based on one aspect and acting like that is it, is ridiculous. You could maybe make this comparison if Biden didn't have a good team around him throughout the 1st term and chose loyalists, donors and family to run (dismantle) parts of the government. Trying to justify republicans who dislike Trump who will still vote for him because they "hope" people around him will rein him in is the worst excuse I have ever heard. People saying that are just trying to save face, are liars or aren't grounded in reality over the last 8 years. I'm pretty sure it's just the first 2, but I'm sure there are some that fall under the 3rd.

Nope, just making a comparison that Dems will vote for a rock to avoid the other party and getting a taste of having to grin and bear it when clicking the vote button.

i didn’t vote for Trump and voted for Biden in 2020 so don’t fit your three scenarios.  

Will say this:  Trump does what he says for the most part, but Dems are voting for a shadow government.  I wouldn’t be too proud of that.

I don’t find this always true for either party.  I’ve heard plenty of republicans say they would never vote for trump again and as a dem I almost voted for trump instead of Clinton until he started his obnoxious behavior.  

teskeinc

Other

Anyway…..: