Who will be the Democratic nominee?

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  • curmudgeoness
    curmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 4,130
    Kamala Harris
    Oh man, poor Tim's head is going to explode over those comments; he has been threatening to leak texts for the last week or so. I haven't listened to that podcast yet, but Tim said that Ezra Klein's comments were "chilling."

    It IS maddening, and incredibly sad and frustrating, to hear that Dem leaders are just as freaking self-centered and cowardly as the Republicans are.
    Props to Michael Bennet, who is speaking up. We need more than one or two senators to say anything, though.
    All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.
  • cblock4life
    cblock4life Posts: 1,855
    Lots of places where this could go

    Dr said today Biden possesses classic Parkinson’s.  Reviewing the symptoms appears he’s correct.  
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,473
    Joe Biden
    cblock4life said:
    Lots of places where this could go

    Dr said today Biden possesses classic Parkinson’s.  Reviewing the symptoms appears he’s correct.  

    so the specialist who saw him for his annual physical is lying or the WH Dr is then?
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  • cblock4life
    cblock4life Posts: 1,855
    mickeyrat said:
    cblock4life said:
    Lots of places where this could go

    Dr said today Biden possesses classic Parkinson’s.  Reviewing the symptoms appears he’s correct.  

    so the specialist who saw him for his annual physical is lying or the WH Dr is then?
    How bout everyone is lying about everything!  It wasn’t his drs it was an independent physician.  
  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,240
    brianlux said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    pjhawks said:
    This is getting stupid.  All the Dems publicly calling for Biden to get out is not helping the Dems cause.  Either do it quietly in back channels or shut your trap.   Doing it publicly just gives the issue more attention for those that might be on the fence.  
    Agreed. Not a good look

    I suspect you guys are right but the other argument has its merits.  To be honest, I don't know anymore, Nick.  So for now, I'm going surfing in my mind, or my dreams, or maybe just play some old Beach Boys records.  :wink:
    Surfing is always the remedy 🙃
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    Joe Biden
    nicknyr15 said:
    brianlux said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    pjhawks said:
    This is getting stupid.  All the Dems publicly calling for Biden to get out is not helping the Dems cause.  Either do it quietly in back channels or shut your trap.   Doing it publicly just gives the issue more attention for those that might be on the fence.  
    Agreed. Not a good look

    I suspect you guys are right but the other argument has its merits.  To be honest, I don't know anymore, Nick.  So for now, I'm going surfing in my mind, or my dreams, or maybe just play some old Beach Boys records.  :wink:
    Surfing is always the remedy 🙃

    LOL, yes!

    I'm prone to lately, to give voice to others who speak with more clarity and more savvy that I have.  Dan Rather, for instance, from his message today:

    It’s been too hot in Texas to spend any meaningful time outside, which has left this reporter with few options except to watch the post-debate discourse on social media and cable news. Big mistake. Frankly, I am alarmed at what I’m witnessing. If you wonder why Donald Trump has been so quiet lately, it’s because he doesn’t need to campaign. Why waste a good lie and ad dollars when he can sit back and watch the Democrats implode? 

    President Biden insists he’s in it to stay, bad debate or not. Those who question that decision, or support his withdrawal, are now being told some version of salute and get in line, don’t rock the boat, or change can’t happen. It’s similar to an expression by an old Texas football coach who once said you have to “dance with the one who brung you.” To do otherwise is apparently not acceptable.

    It is shocking to me that to criticize Biden is now being labeled as blasphemous. To worry about our democracy under a president who is losing a step – or worse — is seen as unpatriotic or even somehow showing tacit support for Trump. 

    In the same breath, I hear, “What about Trump? Why isn’t the media calling on him to get out?” I won’t speak for others, but at Steady I can point to hundreds of posts written over the past several years about why he is unfit to serve. If our position is unclear, then I have failed. Going forward, we will continue to highlight his lies and generally outrageous behavior.

    Whether Biden should stay in the race is a discussion we all must be having. Yes, keeping Trump out of D.C. forever is vital. But to be silenced and shamed for the very act of questioning Biden’s ability to lead is undemocratic. We are better than that. If we have learned anything in the last eight years, it is that blind loyalty is dangerous — see Trump, Donald J.  

    I am not, repeat NOT, endorsing a Biden withdrawal from the race. Nor am I endorsing Vice President Kamala Harris, or anyone else. What I am endorsing is a conversation about strategy, one without intimidation. To be shouted down for raising your voice is un-American.  

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    If this angers you, I’m sorry. I get it. The unknown is almost as terrifying as another four years of Donald Trump. But I am here to tell you, to the best of my ability in the days I have left on this earth, the truth, or as close to it as possible. And sometimes that is not pleasant. But our democracy needs a big injection of truth right now. And I mean right now, as in today.  

    If we were kept in the dark by our journalists, or even worse, the White House staff or Biden campaign purposely deceiving us about the president’s health, it is beyond troubling. This cannot be swept under the rug. It needs sunshine. 

    The loudest argument against having an open discussion is a lack of time to change course, which is, frankly, insulting. This is America. We can and will do what’s needed to protect our great country. Never say can’t … that’s a word on the outside of my vocabulary looking in. If you want the side eye from me, tell me something can’t be done.  

    One final note — I’m most proud of the comments section on Steady. It is an open forum where intelligent, well-informed people have smart, civil debates. In response to a post last week, many of you were upset with even the notion of questioning the present course. That is your right. It is also the right of others to talk about a different way forward. Please allow them to do so. 


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  • darwinstheory
    darwinstheory LaPorte, IN Posts: 7,365
    Kamala Harris
    mickeyrat said:
    https://www.threads.net/@thetnholler/post/C9P3YiFunNF/?xmt=AQGzsNTvig-PZPT1YnONKU0yM_23UGZEpmy5jpu3sZcC7A
    Now this man debating the orange fuck stick would be fantastic! 
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,479
    mickeyrat said:
    cblock4life said:
    Lots of places where this could go

    Dr said today Biden possesses classic Parkinson’s.  Reviewing the symptoms appears he’s correct.  

    so the specialist who saw him for his annual physical is lying or the WH Dr is then?
    Didn’t the Trump doctor lie about everything?

    Were they honest tonthe public about Regans dementia?
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  • teskeinc
    teskeinc Posts: 1,784
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    Fortunately the vote to not demand proof of citizenship will help Democrats this fall. I don’t think Trump will have a shot if they can get even a small percentage of the migrants who crossed through the open border illegally the last 3.5 years to get out and vote. The threat Trump will “mass deport” should mitigate their fear. Also the ballot harvesters used in 2020 will also impact more votes in districts that are less enthusiastic about heading to the polls. Hopefully donors will come thru with “incentives” to help people fill out those mail-ins. The last line of defense will be the drop boxes and the count staff as well. 
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,479
    Bernie still seems sharp and with a fire in his belly. 

    Maybe the wrong "really, really, really old dude" was chosen if you wanted 8 years out of the dude.
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  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,256
    cblock4life said:
    mickeyrat said:
    cblock4life said:
    Lots of places where this could go

    Dr said today Biden possesses classic Parkinson’s.  Reviewing the symptoms appears he’s correct.  

    so the specialist who saw him for his annual physical is lying or the WH Dr is then?
    How bout everyone is lying about everything!  It wasn’t his drs it was an independent physician.  
    Yep, the entire Biden team has lied to us.  He was clearly in a mental free fall for a while.    Democrats should be outraged at their party leaders for keeping their heads in the sand, and should be booing Jill Biden every time she speaks because she first hand sees it and props him up like Weekend at Bernie’s. She may think she is helping him (she knows better), but what a way to honor your spouse by having the world watch his deterioration.


  • teskeinc
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    bootlegger10 said:
    cblock4life said:
    mickeyrat said:
    cblock4life said:
    Lots of places where this could go

    Dr said today Biden possesses classic Parkinson’s.  Reviewing the symptoms appears he’s correct.  

    so the specialist who saw him for his annual physical is lying or the WH Dr is then?
    How bout everyone is lying about everything!  It wasn’t his drs it was an independent physician.  
    Yep, the entire Biden team has lied to us.  He was clearly in a mental free fall for a while.    Democrats should be outraged at their party leaders for keeping their heads in the sand, and should be booing Jill Biden every time she speaks because she first hand sees it and props him up like Weekend at Bernie’s. She may think she is helping him (she knows better), but what a way to honor your spouse by having the world watch his deterioration.


    More conservative news organizations like FOX were reporting this since Biden was elected.  The CNNs and MSNBCs had surrogates saying that Joe is “sharp as a tack” and that it was just a right wing conspiracy theory. Now that “Joe is in free fall” and the media is trying to get him out we find out all his questions in interviews had to be pre-approved. He had to have giant sized pictures on how to get to a podium. He’s an active President from 10-4PM now. 
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,479
    bootlegger10 said:


     Democrats should be outraged at their party leaders for keeping their heads in the sand, and should be booing Jill Biden every time she speaks because she first hand sees it and props him up like Weekend at Bernie’s. She may think she is helping him (she knows better), but what a way to honor your spouse by having the world watch his deterioration.


    Why would you say such a thing about a fellow fan?


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  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,920
    mickeyrat said:
    cblock4life said:
    Lots of places where this could go

    Dr said today Biden possesses classic Parkinson’s.  Reviewing the symptoms appears he’s correct.  

    so the specialist who saw him for his annual physical is lying or the WH Dr is then?

    Someone is definitely lying. The Dems are losing the honesty game to trump, full stop.
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,538
    Josh Shapiro
    Lol...Democrats will be telling us about Q inside of a week

    https://x.com/AlexThomp/status/1811373948140917101


  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,256
    This is good insight for Dems in how they can’t comprehend voting for Trump even if you don’t like him.

    Dems will vote for Biden (an empty chair) because they will trust the team around him to make good decisions.

    Many republicans dislike Trump but vote for him because they hope people around him rein him in. 
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,410
    edited July 2024
    bootlegger10 said:
    This is good insight for Dems in how they can’t comprehend voting for Trump even if you don’t like him.

    Dems will vote for Biden (an empty chair) because they will trust the team around him to make good decisions.

    Many republicans dislike Trump but vote for him because they hope people around him rein him in. 
    Except Repubs can't make that claim based on what we already saw in the 1st term and what is already in the works for a 2nd term with Project 2025, but good try both sides-ing this.

    Also, I am sure Biden and the dems will probably go on a stop the steal tour and hold a rally at the capital and then spend 4 years doing rallies and promoting the revenge tour. Yeah, old Biden voting democrats and Trump voting repubs are the same, totally.
    Post edited by tbergs on
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,410
    teskeinc said:
    Fortunately the vote to not demand proof of citizenship will help Democrats this fall. I don’t think Trump will have a shot if they can get even a small percentage of the migrants who crossed through the open border illegally the last 3.5 years to get out and vote. The threat Trump will “mass deport” should mitigate their fear. Also the ballot harvesters used in 2020 will also impact more votes in districts that are less enthusiastic about heading to the polls. Hopefully donors will come thru with “incentives” to help people fill out those mail-ins. The last line of defense will be the drop boxes and the count staff as well. 
    You believe this shit or you just stirring the pot? Wacky.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,277
    tbergs said:
    teskeinc said:
    Fortunately the vote to not demand proof of citizenship will help Democrats this fall. I don’t think Trump will have a shot if they can get even a small percentage of the migrants who crossed through the open border illegally the last 3.5 years to get out and vote. The threat Trump will “mass deport” should mitigate their fear. Also the ballot harvesters used in 2020 will also impact more votes in districts that are less enthusiastic about heading to the polls. Hopefully donors will come thru with “incentives” to help people fill out those mail-ins. The last line of defense will be the drop boxes and the count staff as well. 
    You believe this shit or you just stirring the pot? Wacky.
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  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,256
    tbergs said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    This is good insight for Dems in how they can’t comprehend voting for Trump even if you don’t like him.

    Dems will vote for Biden (an empty chair) because they will trust the team around him to make good decisions.

    Many republicans dislike Trump but vote for him because they hope people around him rein him in. 
    Except Repubs can't make that claim based on what we already saw in the 1st term and what is already in the works for a 2nd term with Project 2025, but good try both sides-ing this.

    Also, I am sure Biden and the dems will probably go on a stop the steal tour and hold a rally at the capital and then spend 4 years doing rallies and promoting the revenge tour. Yeah, old Biden voting democrats and Trump voting repubs are the same, totally.
    Nope, voting for Biden in spite of him not being their mentally to avoid the other party's policies is the same as someone voting for Trump where voter fraud rallies/lying on financial statements while terrible have no impact on Trump's policies (character/integrity for sure) and thus they are voting for someone they don't like (or in Dems case a puppet of unknown people that deceived the public about his health) because of the other parties' policies.

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