European Tour Sales = Desaster

beano.79

Although not a direct comparison 'legend status-wise' but 2 weeks before pearl jam I'm going to see crowded house at Lincoln castle for £55

willwall

ilockyer said:

jimjam1982 said:

Soybeans said:

willwall said:

I’m so happy that this has backfired on them. 

Things that are ok in the US, doesn’t mean it’s ok to do here. 

Manchester is 50% sold. London is easily less than 50% sold. You reap what you sow at the end of the day.

Those saying it’s not the band and that they are entirely blameless are wrong. They’ll know what’s going on. At least Springsteen had the bottle to come out and own up to the Dynamic pricing and what he was doing. 

Can see a lot of these shows being reduced or even on offer in a few weeks time.

Is already happening. The prices for Barcelona are coming down. Barcelona uppers down $30, lowers have come down by $50.

But it's too late for many. Scanning the sad comments on the socials, it's clear that our proud Spanish PJ brothers and sisters are done. Sadly,  I have to hope these arenas remain half empty at show time. 

If its half empty the show gets cancelled. Be careful what you wish for if you have tix

With this lovely variable pricing, a show doesn't need to sell out to be break even or be profitable. So long as they sell enough at whatever price to raise the funds for the promoter to cover all costs including paying the band, there'd be no reason to cancel even if 50% of the seats were unsold.

I get that. But on the other side, I doubt the band will want to walk out to a load of empty seats both from a pride perspective and image of the band. Hopefully they learn their lesson from this tour and go back to how it’s always been and how it should be.

Eraserhead

willwall said:

I’m so happy that this has backfired on them. 

Things that are ok in the US, doesn’t mean it’s ok to do here. 

Manchester is 50% sold. London is easily less than 50% sold. You reap what you sow at the end of the day.

Those saying it’s not the band and that they are entirely blameless are wrong. They’ll know what’s going on. At least Springsteen had the bottle to come out and own up to the Dynamic pricing and what he was doing. 

Can see a lot of these shows being reduced or even on offer in a few weeks time.

Where have you seen that the Manchester show is only 50% sold?

kaw753

I feel like the Monday Barcelona show is the one that makes no sense. Any Spanish person is going to want to go on Saturday night. If you are travelling for the week, you fly home on the Sunday.

MarcvH

When I look at the Berlin shows, there is definitely something going on when it doesn't sell out easily. This is the logical location for all those common countries skipped on this tour; Netherlands, Czech Republic, Austria, etc. In fact, AMS1 was first postponed due to Covid and canceled in the last hour in 2022 due to (already known) throat problems. That audience has been without a show since 2018, so that is the audience you could easily have attracted to Berlin.

Hoccapuk

I think we are failing to take into account the Taylor Swift effect.  The huge corporations like Live Nation and Ticketmaster (which we know work together) see Taylor Swift selling out arenas in Europe and around the world at crazy prices and say "this can work for other large arena acts". Clearly it can't.

just_one

By july Barcelona 2nd show will have almost all tickets and if they dont they wont cancel it 100%. They will do it like katowice in 2000. The 2nd show didnt sold very well and they still played it and it was an amazing setlist.

Manchester is going to sell out for sure. London will take sometime but by june 29 almost all will be sold , the same will happen with Barcelona 1st night which GA is already sold out(only missing those premium tickets)

eboweddie

Was same venue in Barcelona played on Binaural tour?. Half full that night 
.nobody wants to see that happening again 

Leezestarr313

It's not like the US price hike is easy on the stomach either. Since 2016, prices have doubled. If you can't go to all tours because travel in the US is costly as well, you only get to see a show every four years or more, so the price hike feels even worse. I think maybe Americans maybe are faster to buy things on credit, and maybe we are more keen to spend on experiences like that because all work and no fun makes life less enjoyable. I hope prices come down, and I hope PJ has a moment to think of the impact of all of this. I have seen people complain about ticket stuff before but it does not feel like it was this intense in the past.

Luckytwn1

Almost every major touring act receives a guarantee for each show they play (or in the case of LN buying out a tour, one lump sum for the entire tour, which was the case with the disastrous Arcade Fire Everything Now tour referenced above). I assume Pearl Jam is negotiating the same type of deals and if so, the number of tickets sold is a concern financially only for the promoter, not the band. One of the reasons artists are approving the use of platinum tickets is promoters are demanding the use of those tickets to minimize their risk when paying big guarantees.

demetrios

mikesbri said:

the UEFA Euro is also going on in Germany, maybe taking away from the PJ plus high ticket costs.

That's one big reason. Happening 14 June to 14 July.

willwall

Eraserhead said:

willwall said:

I’m so happy that this has backfired on them. 

Things that are ok in the US, doesn’t mean it’s ok to do here. 

Manchester is 50% sold. London is easily less than 50% sold. You reap what you sow at the end of the day.

Those saying it’s not the band and that they are entirely blameless are wrong. They’ll know what’s going on. At least Springsteen had the bottle to come out and own up to the Dynamic pricing and what he was doing. 

Can see a lot of these shows being reduced or even on offer in a few weeks time.

Where have you seen that the Manchester show is only 50% sold?

Just from looking this morning when I wrote it. Just look at the seating map on TM

LizJ

I think the cheapest tickets for London were 160 £ when the TM sale started, right? Cheapest on TM are 125 £ now. So it seems same thing that’s happening for the Berlin shows is happening here now too. They are starting to sell the „not so good“ sections for less. 

And I just checked on the prices for Barcelona and seats in the 300 sections are now 92 Euros. 

just_one

willwall said:

Eraserhead said:

willwall said:

I’m so happy that this has backfired on them. 

Things that are ok in the US, doesn’t mean it’s ok to do here. 

Manchester is 50% sold. London is easily less than 50% sold. You reap what you sow at the end of the day.

Those saying it’s not the band and that they are entirely blameless are wrong. They’ll know what’s going on. At least Springsteen had the bottle to come out and own up to the Dynamic pricing and what he was doing. 

Can see a lot of these shows being reduced or even on offer in a few weeks time.

Where have you seen that the Manchester show is only 50% sold?

Just from looking this morning when I wrote it. Just look at the seating map on TM

Dude stop spreading lies.

Manchester is almost sold out. Only nosebleed seats in the upper seats are available for sale. Then theres a few premium seats and standing and thats it.

yorkshirestone

LizJ said:

I think the cheapest tickets for London were 160 £ when the TM sale started, right? Cheapest on TM are 125 £ now. So it seems same thing that’s happening for the Berlin shows is happening here now too. They are starting to sell the „not so good“ sections for less. 

And I just checked on the prices for Barcelona and seats in the 300 sections are now 92 Euros. 

Upper tier/rear seats in London started at 125 and aren’t shifting. 

50-75 they’ll sell

Haijay

yorkshirestone said:

LizJ said:

I think the cheapest tickets for London were 160 £ when the TM sale started, right? Cheapest on TM are 125 £ now. So it seems same thing that’s happening for the Berlin shows is happening here now too. They are starting to sell the „not so good“ sections for less. 

And I just checked on the prices for Barcelona and seats in the 300 sections are now 92 Euros. 

Upper tier/rear seats in London started at 125 and aren’t shifting. 

50-75 they’ll sell

They are moving a little now with the drop. But ya, get them down where they belong and they will be gone👍👍

willwall

just_one said:

willwall said:

Eraserhead said:

willwall said:

I’m so happy that this has backfired on them. 

Things that are ok in the US, doesn’t mean it’s ok to do here. 

Manchester is 50% sold. London is easily less than 50% sold. You reap what you sow at the end of the day.

Those saying it’s not the band and that they are entirely blameless are wrong. They’ll know what’s going on. At least Springsteen had the bottle to come out and own up to the Dynamic pricing and what he was doing. 

Can see a lot of these shows being reduced or even on offer in a few weeks time.

Where have you seen that the Manchester show is only 50% sold?

Just from looking this morning when I wrote it. Just look at the seating map on TM

Dude stop spreading lies.

Manchester is almost sold out. Only nosebleed seats in the upper seats are available for sale. Then theres a few premium seats and standing and thats it.

Thanks for the input. As I said, when I wrote the initial message that was what it was. 

Why are you so defensive? Are you on commission for the band or just blind to any sense of your heroes now becoming the villains?

The band have been greedy and it’s backfired on them. I for one am happy about that. When they usually come to Manchester it sells out instantly.

Ever wondered why that’s not the case for this tour? Same for Barcelona, same for Berlin…..

Air23

Well said, a band of greedy villains

Luckytwn1

willwall said:

just_one said:

willwall said:

Eraserhead said:

willwall said:

I’m so happy that this has backfired on them. 

Things that are ok in the US, doesn’t mean it’s ok to do here. 

Manchester is 50% sold. London is easily less than 50% sold. You reap what you sow at the end of the day.

Those saying it’s not the band and that they are entirely blameless are wrong. They’ll know what’s going on. At least Springsteen had the bottle to come out and own up to the Dynamic pricing and what he was doing. 

Can see a lot of these shows being reduced or even on offer in a few weeks time.

Where have you seen that the Manchester show is only 50% sold?

Just from looking this morning when I wrote it. Just look at the seating map on TM

Dude stop spreading lies.

Manchester is almost sold out. Only nosebleed seats in the upper seats are available for sale. Then theres a few premium seats and standing and thats it.

Thanks for the input. As I said, when I wrote the initial message that was what it was. 

Why are you so defensive? Are you on commission for the band or just blind to any sense of your heroes now becoming the villains?

The band have been greedy and it’s backfired on them. I for one am happy about that. When they usually come to Manchester it sells out instantly.

Ever wondered why that’s not the case for this tour? Same for Barcelona, same for Berlin…..

Ticket sales today are not designed to sell out quickly. they are designed for maximizing revenue. The promoter and acts don't care if they have to drop the prices. Every sale at an elevated price is extra revenue and if eventually they have to drop the tickets substantially, they've still made much more than they would have if they had priced the show to sell out immediately.

SHZA

An instant sell out is an indicator that prices were way too low