It's not just GA. If someone put it for GA/P1 seats to both shows for a US city EXCLUDING NYC (i.e. Vegas, LA, Chicago, Philly and Boston or Seattle) they were ALMOST positively given the same results for each show in the same city. It is city specific. This did not occur for those entering 1 Wrigley show and 1 Philly show, etc... This did not appear to occur in Vancouver, Likely due to TM Canada handling it rather than US TM.
@mookieblalock - the pool already seems to be skewed due to people failing to read the information I was looking for. Or my inability to communicate it thoroughly. I was not iso feedback from those who entered a single show in Vegas and a show in Missoula. Strictly both shows of 1 city.
So, if selected for GA in LA 1, they also were nearly guaranteed GA night 2 If given P1 for Wrigley 1, they were also going to recieve P1 for Wrigley 2
Example: Person A put in request for GA/P1 for 6 shows LA 1 LA 2 Vegas 1 Vegas 2 Wrigley 1 Wrigley 2
What we are seeing as "random" results: LA 1 - GA LA 2 - GA Vegas 1 - P1 Reserved Vegas 2 - P1 Reserved Wrigley 1 - GA Wrigley 2 - GA
^^^^^^ This directly above. I have never seen this many doulbe GA, that are repeated. This seems off. Then, if looking around, you see a lot of people were also shut out of both shows for one city. Also, in very high numbers. It appears to be a new and weird pattern, specific to the recent draw.
There’s a poll on the front page that doesn’t line up with any of your cherry picked anecdotal evidence. Something like 8% of people got double GA in the same city. 92% didn’t.
It's 12%, and that percentage is extremely high for double GA
Thats literally 1/8 people
Not counting people who chose not to answer the poll so as not to undermine the system that helped them
What?!?
The intent of the poll was obviously to see if a disproportionate number of people scored double GAs in the same city. The lucky ones who benefited from the glitch (if one exists) may have been reluctant to answer because a full tally might show that something was clearly off
You've made a lot of rational and intelligent points in this thread. But theorizing that the reason the results of the poll don't meet your assumptions is because people are purposely skewing the poll is wandering off into conspiracy theory territory.
Well, 4 people did actually vote for the "what is a Pearl Jam" option. Including the most staunch not believer of anything amiss here Clearly that skews the pool.
Then there is another person who is really arguing the point that anything was wrong with the drawing. That person didn't vote in the pool. That person got 2 GA for both shows in 2 cities and P1 for both shows in another city. Coincidence, I know.
The only thing I’m a staunch believer in is data, which you still have none of. You thinking I voted in that poll to skew the numbers somehow is just another tin foil conspiracy. Maybe there was a glitch, but nobody in this thread has presented any actual meaningful data to substantiate this.
It's not just GA. If someone put it for GA/P1 seats to both shows for a US city EXCLUDING NYC (i.e. Vegas, LA, Chicago, Philly and Boston or Seattle) they were ALMOST positively given the same results for each show in the same city. It is city specific. This did not occur for those entering 1 Wrigley show and 1 Philly show, etc... This did not appear to occur in Vancouver, Likely due to TM Canada handling it rather than US TM.
@mookieblalock - the pool already seems to be skewed due to people failing to read the information I was looking for. Or my inability to communicate it thoroughly. I was not iso feedback from those who entered a single show in Vegas and a show in Missoula. Strictly both shows of 1 city.
So, if selected for GA in LA 1, they also were nearly guaranteed GA night 2 If given P1 for Wrigley 1, they were also going to recieve P1 for Wrigley 2
Example: Person A put in request for GA/P1 for 6 shows LA 1 LA 2 Vegas 1 Vegas 2 Wrigley 1 Wrigley 2
What we are seeing as "random" results: LA 1 - GA LA 2 - GA Vegas 1 - P1 Reserved Vegas 2 - P1 Reserved Wrigley 1 - GA Wrigley 2 - GA
^^^^^^ This directly above. I have never seen this many doulbe GA, that are repeated. This seems off. Then, if looking around, you see a lot of people were also shut out of both shows for one city. Also, in very high numbers. It appears to be a new and weird pattern, specific to the recent draw.
There’s a poll on the front page that doesn’t line up with any of your cherry picked anecdotal evidence. Something like 8% of people got double GA in the same city. 92% didn’t.
It's 12%, and that percentage is extremely high for double GA
Thats literally 1/8 people
Not counting people who chose not to answer the poll so as not to undermine the system that helped them
You're giving people way too much credit for being Machiavellian. I didn't answer the poll because multiple answers applied to me and I could only choose one option in the poll.
That's a bit dramatic. I don't think it's outlandish that winners saw the post and decided not to dignify a "sour-grapes" poll with a response. Regardless, you validated my point that the figure may be understated, if not the reason
You literally suggested that they would not take the poll so as not to "undermine the system that helped them," and then when I say that people are not that Machiavellian, you say they did not take the poll because it is sour grapes. I give up.
Right. If Mr Sour Grapes has a valid point, that undermines the legitimacy of the process. So don't dignify it with a response
If you look hard enough you can find a pattern anywhere. Statistics are malleable. The data set of people posting here and on facebook is not representative of all members. Yes, the system could be improved to prevent some members getting 7 shows while others got shut out. A limit on the number of shows or requests might prevent those unfair results. And I agree that TM has has been less than reliable in the past. 10C ticketing has always had one issue or another, it is what it is. I have always had decent luck by picking what I think are tickets that have a lower demand, like P2 for MSG instead of GA.
It's not just GA. If someone put it for GA/P1 seats to both shows for a US city EXCLUDING NYC (i.e. Vegas, LA, Chicago, Philly and Boston or Seattle) they were ALMOST positively given the same results for each show in the same city. It is city specific. This did not occur for those entering 1 Wrigley show and 1 Philly show, etc... This did not appear to occur in Vancouver, Likely due to TM Canada handling it rather than US TM.
@mookieblalock - the pool already seems to be skewed due to people failing to read the information I was looking for. Or my inability to communicate it thoroughly. I was not iso feedback from those who entered a single show in Vegas and a show in Missoula. Strictly both shows of 1 city.
So, if selected for GA in LA 1, they also were nearly guaranteed GA night 2 If given P1 for Wrigley 1, they were also going to recieve P1 for Wrigley 2
Example: Person A put in request for GA/P1 for 6 shows LA 1 LA 2 Vegas 1 Vegas 2 Wrigley 1 Wrigley 2
What we are seeing as "random" results: LA 1 - GA LA 2 - GA Vegas 1 - P1 Reserved Vegas 2 - P1 Reserved Wrigley 1 - GA Wrigley 2 - GA
^^^^^^ This directly above. I have never seen this many doulbe GA, that are repeated. This seems off. Then, if looking around, you see a lot of people were also shut out of both shows for one city. Also, in very high numbers. It appears to be a new and weird pattern, specific to the recent draw.
There’s a poll on the front page that doesn’t line up with any of your cherry picked anecdotal evidence. Something like 8% of people got double GA in the same city. 92% didn’t.
Speaking of cherry picking, yet another reminder that the root complaint is not strictly regarding GA. It is about the percentage of people receiving the exact same choice for show 2 in city x as they did for show 1. Regardless of what Jimmy got drawn (or denied) for LA, he was (almost) automatically going to get the same selection for night 2 in LA.
This is the one example I saw where someone got a N2 GA after a N1 P1. I'm sure there are others, but there should be a lot more 'splits' than 'sames' especially with GA in cities with 2 shows. Something is funky with the double GA's in 2 show US cities (and maybe doubles in general).
But if there is a glitch like you're describing then this guy should not have pulled these seats.
I threw out one theory on why there are so many double GA's, and yes, this goes against that. It doesn't change that there are way too many GA/GA's being reported vs P1/GA (or GA/P1) on 2 show US cities. It shouldn't be anywhere close to 50/50 if it truly was a totally separate draw for each show.
You're drawing conclusions from an incomplete amount of data. It's all anecdotal. And you're dismissing the data that doesn't fit your conclusion.
.. Me: 1/5 Balt - denied Philly 1 - denied Philly 2 - denied MSG 1- denied MSG 2 - eligible for draw since I lost n1, won GA
the above is not anecdotal. I changed the names, it’s not me for sure, the first one is what we’d expect for such in demand cities, 1 for 4 (msg counts as one), but the one win is a huge one, msg GA. Notoriously difficult.
then the spouse goes four for four in the four toughest draws? which has to be a tiny fraction of one percent (assuming a 10-20% chance to win one NE Show)
then remaining two family members go four for five, which on its own is way under one percent. I left off their friend, who was one for two, not bad.
its very possible we are being toyed with, because to have all these under one percent hits in the same family… time to go to Vegas, baby.
(edit, there were many like this, but this was the big one)
The original post also had someone who was 1-for-2 as you note. I see five people whose success rates were 100, 100, 67, 50 and 20. It's not a perfect distribution, but it's a pretty broad distribution especially for such a small sample size. It's exactly the kind of broad distribution a random draw should generate.
If all those success rates are for the four shows in the high demand NE region, they are all WAY above statistical expectations, based on prior tours.
I am changing my answer to @on2legs - that example of a family’s success is not anecdotal. It is verifiable, if they chose to share the evidence. I am not saying I want them to do that, just that it is provable .
It's not just GA. If someone put it for GA/P1 seats to both shows for a US city EXCLUDING NYC (i.e. Vegas, LA, Chicago, Philly and Boston or Seattle) they were ALMOST positively given the same results for each show in the same city. It is city specific. This did not occur for those entering 1 Wrigley show and 1 Philly show, etc... This did not appear to occur in Vancouver, Likely due to TM Canada handling it rather than US TM.
@mookieblalock - the pool already seems to be skewed due to people failing to read the information I was looking for. Or my inability to communicate it thoroughly. I was not iso feedback from those who entered a single show in Vegas and a show in Missoula. Strictly both shows of 1 city.
So, if selected for GA in LA 1, they also were nearly guaranteed GA night 2 If given P1 for Wrigley 1, they were also going to recieve P1 for Wrigley 2
Example: Person A put in request for GA/P1 for 6 shows LA 1 LA 2 Vegas 1 Vegas 2 Wrigley 1 Wrigley 2
What we are seeing as "random" results: LA 1 - GA LA 2 - GA Vegas 1 - P1 Reserved Vegas 2 - P1 Reserved Wrigley 1 - GA Wrigley 2 - GA
^^^^^^ This directly above. I have never seen this many doulbe GA, that are repeated. This seems off. Then, if looking around, you see a lot of people were also shut out of both shows for one city. Also, in very high numbers. It appears to be a new and weird pattern, specific to the recent draw.
There’s a poll on the front page that doesn’t line up with any of your cherry picked anecdotal evidence. Something like 8% of people got double GA in the same city. 92% didn’t.
Speaking of cherry picking, yet another reminder that the root complaint is not strictly regarding GA. It is about the percentage of people receiving the exact same choice for show 2 in city x as they did for show 1. Regardless of what Jimmy got drawn (or denied) for LA, he was (almost) automatically going to get the same selection for night 2 in LA.
This is the one example I saw where someone got a N2 GA after a N1 P1. I'm sure there are others, but there should be a lot more 'splits' than 'sames' especially with GA in cities with 2 shows. Something is funky with the double GA's in 2 show US cities (and maybe doubles in general).
But if there is a glitch like you're describing then this guy should not have pulled these seats.
I threw out one theory on why there are so many double GA's, and yes, this goes against that. It doesn't change that there are way too many GA/GA's being reported vs P1/GA (or GA/P1) on 2 show US cities. It shouldn't be anywhere close to 50/50 if it truly was a totally separate draw for each show.
You're drawing conclusions from an incomplete amount of data. It's all anecdotal. And you're dismissing the data that doesn't fit your conclusion.
.. Me: 1/5 Balt - denied Philly 1 - denied Philly 2 - denied MSG 1- denied MSG 2 - eligible for draw since I lost n1, won GA
the above is not anecdotal. I changed the names, it’s not me for sure, the first one is what we’d expect for such in demand cities, 1 for 4 (msg counts as one), but the one win is a huge one, msg GA. Notoriously difficult.
then the spouse goes four for four in the four toughest draws? which has to be a tiny fraction of one percent (assuming a 10-20% chance to win one NE Show)
then remaining two family members go four for five, which on its own is way under one percent. I left off their friend, who was one for two, not bad.
its very possible we are being toyed with, because to have all these under one percent hits in the same family… time to go to Vegas, baby.
(edit, there were many like this, but this was the big one)
The original post also had someone who was 1-for-2 as you note. I see five people whose success rates were 100, 100, 67, 50 and 20. It's not a perfect distribution, but it's a pretty broad distribution especially for such a small sample size. It's exactly the kind of broad distribution a random draw should generate.
If all those success rates are for the four shows in the high demand NE region, they are all WAY above statistical expectations, based on prior tours.
I am changing my answer to @on2legs - that example of a family’s success is not anecdotal. It is verifiable, if they chose to share the evidence. I am not saying I want them to do that, just that it is provable .
In statistics, you need at least a sample size of 30 to have any validity, so 4 doesn’t cut it…but I’m sure you already knew that.
It's not just GA. If someone put it for GA/P1 seats to both shows for a US city EXCLUDING NYC (i.e. Vegas, LA, Chicago, Philly and Boston or Seattle) they were ALMOST positively given the same results for each show in the same city. It is city specific. This did not occur for those entering 1 Wrigley show and 1 Philly show, etc... This did not appear to occur in Vancouver, Likely due to TM Canada handling it rather than US TM.
@mookieblalock - the pool already seems to be skewed due to people failing to read the information I was looking for. Or my inability to communicate it thoroughly. I was not iso feedback from those who entered a single show in Vegas and a show in Missoula. Strictly both shows of 1 city.
So, if selected for GA in LA 1, they also were nearly guaranteed GA night 2 If given P1 for Wrigley 1, they were also going to recieve P1 for Wrigley 2
Example: Person A put in request for GA/P1 for 6 shows LA 1 LA 2 Vegas 1 Vegas 2 Wrigley 1 Wrigley 2
What we are seeing as "random" results: LA 1 - GA LA 2 - GA Vegas 1 - P1 Reserved Vegas 2 - P1 Reserved Wrigley 1 - GA Wrigley 2 - GA
^^^^^^ This directly above. I have never seen this many doulbe GA, that are repeated. This seems off. Then, if looking around, you see a lot of people were also shut out of both shows for one city. Also, in very high numbers. It appears to be a new and weird pattern, specific to the recent draw.
There’s a poll on the front page that doesn’t line up with any of your cherry picked anecdotal evidence. Something like 8% of people got double GA in the same city. 92% didn’t.
Speaking of cherry picking, yet another reminder that the root complaint is not strictly regarding GA. It is about the percentage of people receiving the exact same choice for show 2 in city x as they did for show 1. Regardless of what Jimmy got drawn (or denied) for LA, he was (almost) automatically going to get the same selection for night 2 in LA.
This is the one example I saw where someone got a N2 GA after a N1 P1. I'm sure there are others, but there should be a lot more 'splits' than 'sames' especially with GA in cities with 2 shows. Something is funky with the double GA's in 2 show US cities (and maybe doubles in general).
But if there is a glitch like you're describing then this guy should not have pulled these seats.
I threw out one theory on why there are so many double GA's, and yes, this goes against that. It doesn't change that there are way too many GA/GA's being reported vs P1/GA (or GA/P1) on 2 show US cities. It shouldn't be anywhere close to 50/50 if it truly was a totally separate draw for each show.
You're drawing conclusions from an incomplete amount of data. It's all anecdotal. And you're dismissing the data that doesn't fit your conclusion.
.. Me: 1/5 Balt - denied Philly 1 - denied Philly 2 - denied MSG 1- denied MSG 2 - eligible for draw since I lost n1, won GA
the above is not anecdotal. I changed the names, it’s not me for sure, the first one is what we’d expect for such in demand cities, 1 for 4 (msg counts as one), but the one win is a huge one, msg GA. Notoriously difficult.
then the spouse goes four for four in the four toughest draws? which has to be a tiny fraction of one percent (assuming a 10-20% chance to win one NE Show)
then remaining two family members go four for five, which on its own is way under one percent. I left off their friend, who was one for two, not bad.
its very possible we are being toyed with, because to have all these under one percent hits in the same family… time to go to Vegas, baby.
(edit, there were many like this, but this was the big one)
The original post also had someone who was 1-for-2 as you note. I see five people whose success rates were 100, 100, 67, 50 and 20. It's not a perfect distribution, but it's a pretty broad distribution especially for such a small sample size. It's exactly the kind of broad distribution a random draw should generate.
If all those success rates are for the four shows in the high demand NE region, they are all WAY above statistical expectations, based on prior tours.
I am changing my answer to @on2legs - that example of a family’s success is not anecdotal. It is verifiable, if they chose to share the evidence. I am not saying I want them to do that, just that it is provable .
There is someone who hit all this on 1 account Portland Seattle n1 Seattle n2 MSG N2 Philly 1 GA Philly 2 GA Boston 1 GA Boston 2 GA
I have no idea what happened, if anything, but as I was just scrolling through the "results" thread, I had the same thought as the OP's final comment -- things seemed to go much smoother when 10C was in charge of the draw.
I only entered for the Sat Philly show, as I am on a tight budget and can't fork out thousands of dollars up front in the case i won all, as it appears some did. I take seriously the direction to only enter what I'm willing to pay for. I knew it was a long shot, and honestly, I'm no longer as excited about this band as I used to be, especially now with the shorter sets and Ed's voice so shot that he just lets the audience sing all the songs for him. My disappointment isn't too great. But yes, I also observed a pattern of crazy winnings in the threads -- GA multiple nights in multiple cities for numerous people, the married couple for example who ended up with 4 GA tickets to everything they entered. I can't wrap my head around that kind of luck.
I also don't understand why the rejects like me haven't heard yet that we're rejects. If I don't get my rejection letter by Wed, I will see that as more evidence that something might have been jacked up here. But whatever -- that's 200 bucks plus travel expenses still in my bank account, so it's all good.
It's not just GA. If someone put it for GA/P1 seats to both shows for a US city EXCLUDING NYC (i.e. Vegas, LA, Chicago, Philly and Boston or Seattle) they were ALMOST positively given the same results for each show in the same city. It is city specific. This did not occur for those entering 1 Wrigley show and 1 Philly show, etc... This did not appear to occur in Vancouver, Likely due to TM Canada handling it rather than US TM.
@mookieblalock - the pool already seems to be skewed due to people failing to read the information I was looking for. Or my inability to communicate it thoroughly. I was not iso feedback from those who entered a single show in Vegas and a show in Missoula. Strictly both shows of 1 city.
So, if selected for GA in LA 1, they also were nearly guaranteed GA night 2 If given P1 for Wrigley 1, they were also going to recieve P1 for Wrigley 2
Example: Person A put in request for GA/P1 for 6 shows LA 1 LA 2 Vegas 1 Vegas 2 Wrigley 1 Wrigley 2
What we are seeing as "random" results: LA 1 - GA LA 2 - GA Vegas 1 - P1 Reserved Vegas 2 - P1 Reserved Wrigley 1 - GA Wrigley 2 - GA
^^^^^^ This directly above. I have never seen this many doulbe GA, that are repeated. This seems off. Then, if looking around, you see a lot of people were also shut out of both shows for one city. Also, in very high numbers. It appears to be a new and weird pattern, specific to the recent draw.
There’s a poll on the front page that doesn’t line up with any of your cherry picked anecdotal evidence. Something like 8% of people got double GA in the same city. 92% didn’t.
Speaking of cherry picking, yet another reminder that the root complaint is not strictly regarding GA. It is about the percentage of people receiving the exact same choice for show 2 in city x as they did for show 1. Regardless of what Jimmy got drawn (or denied) for LA, he was (almost) automatically going to get the same selection for night 2 in LA.
This is the one example I saw where someone got a N2 GA after a N1 P1. I'm sure there are others, but there should be a lot more 'splits' than 'sames' especially with GA in cities with 2 shows. Something is funky with the double GA's in 2 show US cities (and maybe doubles in general).
But if there is a glitch like you're describing then this guy should not have pulled these seats.
I threw out one theory on why there are so many double GA's, and yes, this goes against that. It doesn't change that there are way too many GA/GA's being reported vs P1/GA (or GA/P1) on 2 show US cities. It shouldn't be anywhere close to 50/50 if it truly was a totally separate draw for each show.
You're drawing conclusions from an incomplete amount of data. It's all anecdotal. And you're dismissing the data that doesn't fit your conclusion.
.. Me: 1/5 Balt - denied Philly 1 - denied Philly 2 - denied MSG 1- denied MSG 2 - eligible for draw since I lost n1, won GA
the above is not anecdotal. I changed the names, it’s not me for sure, the first one is what we’d expect for such in demand cities, 1 for 4 (msg counts as one), but the one win is a huge one, msg GA. Notoriously difficult.
then the spouse goes four for four in the four toughest draws? which has to be a tiny fraction of one percent (assuming a 10-20% chance to win one NE Show)
then remaining two family members go four for five, which on its own is way under one percent. I left off their friend, who was one for two, not bad.
its very possible we are being toyed with, because to have all these under one percent hits in the same family… time to go to Vegas, baby.
(edit, there were many like this, but this was the big one)
The original post also had someone who was 1-for-2 as you note. I see five people whose success rates were 100, 100, 67, 50 and 20. It's not a perfect distribution, but it's a pretty broad distribution especially for such a small sample size. It's exactly the kind of broad distribution a random draw should generate.
If all those success rates are for the four shows in the high demand NE region, they are all WAY above statistical expectations, based on prior tours.
I am changing my answer to @on2legs - that example of a family’s success is not anecdotal. It is verifiable, if they chose to share the evidence. I am not saying I want them to do that, just that it is provable .
You are drawing a conclusion based on your own observation or a story told to you by someone else. That is the literal definition of anecdotal.
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It's not just GA. If someone put it for GA/P1 seats to both shows for a US city EXCLUDING NYC (i.e. Vegas, LA, Chicago, Philly and Boston or Seattle) they were ALMOST positively given the same results for each show in the same city. It is city specific. This did not occur for those entering 1 Wrigley show and 1 Philly show, etc... This did not appear to occur in Vancouver, Likely due to TM Canada handling it rather than US TM.
@mookieblalock - the pool already seems to be skewed due to people failing to read the information I was looking for. Or my inability to communicate it thoroughly. I was not iso feedback from those who entered a single show in Vegas and a show in Missoula. Strictly both shows of 1 city.
So, if selected for GA in LA 1, they also were nearly guaranteed GA night 2 If given P1 for Wrigley 1, they were also going to recieve P1 for Wrigley 2
Example: Person A put in request for GA/P1 for 6 shows LA 1 LA 2 Vegas 1 Vegas 2 Wrigley 1 Wrigley 2
What we are seeing as "random" results: LA 1 - GA LA 2 - GA Vegas 1 - P1 Reserved Vegas 2 - P1 Reserved Wrigley 1 - GA Wrigley 2 - GA
^^^^^^ This directly above. I have never seen this many doulbe GA, that are repeated. This seems off. Then, if looking around, you see a lot of people were also shut out of both shows for one city. Also, in very high numbers. It appears to be a new and weird pattern, specific to the recent draw.
There’s a poll on the front page that doesn’t line up with any of your cherry picked anecdotal evidence. Something like 8% of people got double GA in the same city. 92% didn’t.
Speaking of cherry picking, yet another reminder that the root complaint is not strictly regarding GA. It is about the percentage of people receiving the exact same choice for show 2 in city x as they did for show 1. Regardless of what Jimmy got drawn (or denied) for LA, he was (almost) automatically going to get the same selection for night 2 in LA.
This is the one example I saw where someone got a N2 GA after a N1 P1. I'm sure there are others, but there should be a lot more 'splits' than 'sames' especially with GA in cities with 2 shows. Something is funky with the double GA's in 2 show US cities (and maybe doubles in general).
But if there is a glitch like you're describing then this guy should not have pulled these seats.
I threw out one theory on why there are so many double GA's, and yes, this goes against that. It doesn't change that there are way too many GA/GA's being reported vs P1/GA (or GA/P1) on 2 show US cities. It shouldn't be anywhere close to 50/50 if it truly was a totally separate draw for each show.
You're drawing conclusions from an incomplete amount of data. It's all anecdotal. And you're dismissing the data that doesn't fit your conclusion.
.. Me: 1/5 Balt - denied Philly 1 - denied Philly 2 - denied MSG 1- denied MSG 2 - eligible for draw since I lost n1, won GA
the above is not anecdotal. I changed the names, it’s not me for sure, the first one is what we’d expect for such in demand cities, 1 for 4 (msg counts as one), but the one win is a huge one, msg GA. Notoriously difficult.
then the spouse goes four for four in the four toughest draws? which has to be a tiny fraction of one percent (assuming a 10-20% chance to win one NE Show)
then remaining two family members go four for five, which on its own is way under one percent. I left off their friend, who was one for two, not bad.
its very possible we are being toyed with, because to have all these under one percent hits in the same family… time to go to Vegas, baby.
(edit, there were many like this, but this was the big one)
The original post also had someone who was 1-for-2 as you note. I see five people whose success rates were 100, 100, 67, 50 and 20. It's not a perfect distribution, but it's a pretty broad distribution especially for such a small sample size. It's exactly the kind of broad distribution a random draw should generate.
If all those success rates are for the four shows in the high demand NE region, they are all WAY above statistical expectations, based on prior tours.
I am changing my answer to @on2legs - that example of a family’s success is not anecdotal. It is verifiable, if they chose to share the evidence. I am not saying I want them to do that, just that it is provable .
There is someone who hit all this on 1 account Portland Seattle n1 Seattle n2 MSG N2 Philly 1 GA Philly 2 GA Boston 1 GA Boston 2 GA
I believe their only miss was Baltimore
This has happened in the prior tour lotteries. Even with priority people have hit on 10 shows. Check those threads.
1996: Randall's Island 2 1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2 2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel 2005: Atlantic City 1 2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Newark (EV) 2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4 2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2 2011: Toronto 1 2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2015: Central Park 2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD) 2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF) 2020: MSG | Asbury Park2021: Asbury Park 2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville 2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore
It's not just GA. If someone put it for GA/P1 seats to both shows for a US city EXCLUDING NYC (i.e. Vegas, LA, Chicago, Philly and Boston or Seattle) they were ALMOST positively given the same results for each show in the same city. It is city specific. This did not occur for those entering 1 Wrigley show and 1 Philly show, etc... This did not appear to occur in Vancouver, Likely due to TM Canada handling it rather than US TM.
@mookieblalock - the pool already seems to be skewed due to people failing to read the information I was looking for. Or my inability to communicate it thoroughly. I was not iso feedback from those who entered a single show in Vegas and a show in Missoula. Strictly both shows of 1 city.
So, if selected for GA in LA 1, they also were nearly guaranteed GA night 2 If given P1 for Wrigley 1, they were also going to recieve P1 for Wrigley 2
Example: Person A put in request for GA/P1 for 6 shows LA 1 LA 2 Vegas 1 Vegas 2 Wrigley 1 Wrigley 2
What we are seeing as "random" results: LA 1 - GA LA 2 - GA Vegas 1 - P1 Reserved Vegas 2 - P1 Reserved Wrigley 1 - GA Wrigley 2 - GA
^^^^^^ This directly above. I have never seen this many doulbe GA, that are repeated. This seems off. Then, if looking around, you see a lot of people were also shut out of both shows for one city. Also, in very high numbers. It appears to be a new and weird pattern, specific to the recent draw.
There’s a poll on the front page that doesn’t line up with any of your cherry picked anecdotal evidence. Something like 8% of people got double GA in the same city. 92% didn’t.
Speaking of cherry picking, yet another reminder that the root complaint is not strictly regarding GA. It is about the percentage of people receiving the exact same choice for show 2 in city x as they did for show 1. Regardless of what Jimmy got drawn (or denied) for LA, he was (almost) automatically going to get the same selection for night 2 in LA.
This is the one example I saw where someone got a N2 GA after a N1 P1. I'm sure there are others, but there should be a lot more 'splits' than 'sames' especially with GA in cities with 2 shows. Something is funky with the double GA's in 2 show US cities (and maybe doubles in general).
But if there is a glitch like you're describing then this guy should not have pulled these seats.
I threw out one theory on why there are so many double GA's, and yes, this goes against that. It doesn't change that there are way too many GA/GA's being reported vs P1/GA (or GA/P1) on 2 show US cities. It shouldn't be anywhere close to 50/50 if it truly was a totally separate draw for each show.
You're drawing conclusions from an incomplete amount of data. It's all anecdotal. And you're dismissing the data that doesn't fit your conclusion.
.. Me: 1/5 Balt - denied Philly 1 - denied Philly 2 - denied MSG 1- denied MSG 2 - eligible for draw since I lost n1, won GA
the above is not anecdotal. I changed the names, it’s not me for sure, the first one is what we’d expect for such in demand cities, 1 for 4 (msg counts as one), but the one win is a huge one, msg GA. Notoriously difficult.
then the spouse goes four for four in the four toughest draws? which has to be a tiny fraction of one percent (assuming a 10-20% chance to win one NE Show)
then remaining two family members go four for five, which on its own is way under one percent. I left off their friend, who was one for two, not bad.
its very possible we are being toyed with, because to have all these under one percent hits in the same family… time to go to Vegas, baby.
(edit, there were many like this, but this was the big one)
The original post also had someone who was 1-for-2 as you note. I see five people whose success rates were 100, 100, 67, 50 and 20. It's not a perfect distribution, but it's a pretty broad distribution especially for such a small sample size. It's exactly the kind of broad distribution a random draw should generate.
If all those success rates are for the four shows in the high demand NE region, they are all WAY above statistical expectations, based on prior tours.
I am changing my answer to @on2legs - that example of a family’s success is not anecdotal. It is verifiable, if they chose to share the evidence. I am not saying I want them to do that, just that it is provable .
There is someone who hit all this on 1 account Portland Seattle n1 Seattle n2 MSG N2 Philly 1 GA Philly 2 GA Boston 1 GA Boston 2 GA
I believe their only miss was Baltimore
This has happened in the prior tour lotteries. Even with priority people have hit on 10 shows. Check those threads.
Not 10 shows where 7 are high demand. Not GA to 4 high demand shows.
If you look hard enough you can find a pattern anywhere. Statistics are malleable. The data set of people posting here and on facebook is not representative of all members. Yes, the system could be improved to prevent some members getting 7 shows while others got shut out. A limit on the number of shows or requests might prevent those unfair results. And I agree that TM has has been less than reliable in the past. 10C ticketing has always had one issue or another, it is what it is. I have always had decent luck by picking what I think are tickets that have a lower demand, like P2 for MSG instead of GA.
stop making sense, everyone here wants to find a loophole in the space time continuum that will grant them GA to every show they want to go to.
If you look hard enough you can find a pattern anywhere. Statistics are malleable. The data set of people posting here and on facebook is not representative of all members. Yes, the system could be improved to prevent some members getting 7 shows while others got shut out. A limit on the number of shows or requests might prevent those unfair results. And I agree that TM has has been less than reliable in the past. 10C ticketing has always had one issue or another, it is what it is. I have always had decent luck by picking what I think are tickets that have a lower demand, like P2 for MSG instead of GA.
stop making sense, everyone here wants to find a loophole in the space time continuum that will grant them GA to every show they want to go to.
No I want to make sense of a system that gives one person GA to all 4 shows I selected while shutting me out.
If you look hard enough you can find a pattern anywhere. Statistics are malleable. The data set of people posting here and on facebook is not representative of all members. Yes, the system could be improved to prevent some members getting 7 shows while others got shut out. A limit on the number of shows or requests might prevent those unfair results. And I agree that TM has has been less than reliable in the past. 10C ticketing has always had one issue or another, it is what it is. I have always had decent luck by picking what I think are tickets that have a lower demand, like P2 for MSG instead of GA.
stop making sense, everyone here wants to find a loophole in the space time continuum that will grant them GA to every show they want to go to.
No I want to make sense of a system that gives one person GA to all 4 shows I selected while shutting me out.
you want to make sense of random luck by imagining there is a flaw in the system that if you could somehow pinpoint it the draw will have to be done over? Let me know how that works out, I went 3 for 6.5 this time around, getting GA at Missoula, where it appears about 60% of the venue is GA. Shit happens. It sucks, I am not psyched to see people gets shutout, but the ways to possibly account for that have already been outlined, nothing is going to change what has happened at this time.
If you look hard enough you can find a pattern anywhere. Statistics are malleable. The data set of people posting here and on facebook is not representative of all members. Yes, the system could be improved to prevent some members getting 7 shows while others got shut out. A limit on the number of shows or requests might prevent those unfair results. And I agree that TM has has been less than reliable in the past. 10C ticketing has always had one issue or another, it is what it is. I have always had decent luck by picking what I think are tickets that have a lower demand, like P2 for MSG instead of GA.
stop making sense, everyone here wants to find a loophole in the space time continuum that will grant them GA to every show they want to go to.
No I want to make sense of a system that gives one person GA to all 4 shows I selected while shutting me out.
you want to make sense of random luck by imagining there is a flaw in the system that if you could somehow pinpoint it the draw will have to be done over? Let me know how that works out, I went 3 for 6.5 this time around, getting GA at Missoula, where it appears about 60% of the venue is GA. Shit happens. It sucks, I am not psyched to see people gets shutout, but the ways to possibly account for that have already been outlined, nothing is going to change what has happened at this time.
No I want to make sense of how this system is better than the old priority system. That's all
I applied for two nights in Vegas. As did my brother in law. We were going to go with the wives. It stung at first that he got both nights and I got nothing. But then it stung even more when I saw people getting like 6,9,10 shows; including both nights to Vegas.
I’m sure I can figure out how to get tickets another way. But 10C isn’t some small, grassroots fan club. It’s a big business that does (I am assuming) 100’s of millions of dollars in revenue every year. I don’t feel these outcomes are acceptable coming from a big business like this.
I have 2 pairs for Vegas and a very low number. PM me your email, if I can't go they are yours F2F. Ill know in a week or 2.
If you look hard enough you can find a pattern anywhere. Statistics are malleable. The data set of people posting here and on facebook is not representative of all members. Yes, the system could be improved to prevent some members getting 7 shows while others got shut out. A limit on the number of shows or requests might prevent those unfair results. And I agree that TM has has been less than reliable in the past. 10C ticketing has always had one issue or another, it is what it is. I have always had decent luck by picking what I think are tickets that have a lower demand, like P2 for MSG instead of GA.
stop making sense, everyone here wants to find a loophole in the space time continuum that will grant them GA to every show they want to go to.
Been in the fan club almost 30 years and have never been completely shut out of a tour until now. Normally, this wouldn't bother me as I know and understand the high demand for a PJ tour and I've seen them plenty of times. However, when so many people got 4, 5, 6, shows and yet others got zero...the new system sucks. Ever since Ticketbastard has taken over this has been a mess. First the multiple redraws for last year's summer tour where most everyone who had tickets got moved further back in the arena with each draw, to the "PJ premium seats" that you have to take a second mortgage out on your home in order to buy, to now this. It makes me reconsider why I'm still paying membership dues.
If you look hard enough you can find a pattern anywhere. Statistics are malleable. The data set of people posting here and on facebook is not representative of all members. Yes, the system could be improved to prevent some members getting 7 shows while others got shut out. A limit on the number of shows or requests might prevent those unfair results. And I agree that TM has has been less than reliable in the past. 10C ticketing has always had one issue or another, it is what it is. I have always had decent luck by picking what I think are tickets that have a lower demand, like P2 for MSG instead of GA.
stop making sense, everyone here wants to find a loophole in the space time continuum that will grant them GA to every show they want to go to.
No I want to make sense of a system that gives one person GA to all 4 shows I selected while shutting me out.
you want to make sense of random luck by imagining there is a flaw in the system that if you could somehow pinpoint it the draw will have to be done over? Let me know how that works out, I went 3 for 6.5 this time around, getting GA at Missoula, where it appears about 60% of the venue is GA. Shit happens. It sucks, I am not psyched to see people gets shutout, but the ways to possibly account for that have already been outlined, nothing is going to change what has happened at this time.
No I want to make sense of how this system is better than the old priority system. That's all
The old priority system was just as goofy. In 2018 I put in for 4 shows. As follows:
1. Chicago 1 GA Standing 2. Boston 1 Res (there was no GA) 3. Boston 2 Res (there was no GA) 4. Chicago 2 Res
All I won was my 3rd Choice, and the demand was so high I went from A3 Turf 13 row to B3 Turf row 6
In 2016 the results were fairly similar although I put Philly above MSG because the latter was essentially a lark, maybe I'd win by some freak of luck.
1. Philly 4.29 GA 2. Philly 4.29 Res 3. MSG 5.2 GA 4. MSG 5.2 Res
I won choice 2, lost the others, maybe if I flipped 3 and 4 I stood a chance at MSG who knows. Either way the old system for big cities the draw basically a 25% shot, and that was going for the same 2 shows on all 4 picks. The old system was not some magic bullet people got shafted there too.
For me personally, F2F makes not getting tickets in the lottery way more stressful. I don’t have the time or patience to sit in front of a computer and hope to get a F2F ticket. Bring back reselling. I know it’s not a popular opinion but with the secondary market I’m way more confident I can get into shows. I can pick and chose, be patient or just splurge if I have to. My time is more valuable honestly.
If you look hard enough you can find a pattern anywhere. Statistics are malleable. The data set of people posting here and on facebook is not representative of all members. Yes, the system could be improved to prevent some members getting 7 shows while others got shut out. A limit on the number of shows or requests might prevent those unfair results. And I agree that TM has has been less than reliable in the past. 10C ticketing has always had one issue or another, it is what it is. I have always had decent luck by picking what I think are tickets that have a lower demand, like P2 for MSG instead of GA.
stop making sense, everyone here wants to find a loophole in the space time continuum that will grant them GA to every show they want to go to.
Ridiculous comment - I recieved Reserved for Portland, Vancouver 1 and Vancouver 2. I've made not one complaint about those results. In fact, I have applauded TM Canada for their actual random drawing. My complaint has never even been about any of the single show cities nor has it been GA exclusive. My concern is the frequency with which someone selected (or shut out) for show 1 of a city (regardless of their seat assignment - GA, P1 or P2) was also guaranteed to recieve the same seat assignment (or also be shut out) of show #2 in the same city. This happened time and again for Seattle, LA, Las Vegas, Chicago, Boston and Philly.
If you recieved GA for show 1 in any of those cities, you were nearly guaranteed to recieve GA for show 2 of that same city. If you recieved P1 for show 1 of any of those cities, you were nearly a lock to recieve P1 for show 2. In fact, I don't believe there were any reports of a person receiving GA for show 2 of a city after receiving P1 for the 1st show of that same city. 0. Something wasn't random about this drawing. I'm not saying it was on a huge scale like in 2023. I'm not asking for a redraw. I'm not suggesting that I must get, or deserve, GA for any show. But I'm not ignoring that something was clearly amiss with the seat assignments for ticket buyers in both shows of the same cities.
"A smart monkey doesn't monkey around with another monkey's monkey" - Darwin's Theory
If you look hard enough you can find a pattern anywhere. Statistics are malleable. The data set of people posting here and on facebook is not representative of all members. Yes, the system could be improved to prevent some members getting 7 shows while others got shut out. A limit on the number of shows or requests might prevent those unfair results. And I agree that TM has has been less than reliable in the past. 10C ticketing has always had one issue or another, it is what it is. I have always had decent luck by picking what I think are tickets that have a lower demand, like P2 for MSG instead of GA.
stop making sense, everyone here wants to find a loophole in the space time continuum that will grant them GA to every show they want to go to.
No I want to make sense of a system that gives one person GA to all 4 shows I selected while shutting me out.
you want to make sense of random luck by imagining there is a flaw in the system that if you could somehow pinpoint it the draw will have to be done over? Let me know how that works out, I went 3 for 6.5 this time around, getting GA at Missoula, where it appears about 60% of the venue is GA. Shit happens. It sucks, I am not psyched to see people gets shutout, but the ways to possibly account for that have already been outlined, nothing is going to change what has happened at this time.
No I want to make sense of how this system is better than the old priority system. That's all
The old priority system was just as goofy. In 2018 I put in for 4 shows. As follows:
1. Chicago 1 GA Standing 2. Boston 1 Res (there was no GA) 3. Boston 2 Res (there was no GA) 4. Chicago 2 Res
All I won was my 3rd Choice, and the demand was so high I went from A3 Turf 13 row to B3 Turf row 6
In 2016 the results were fairly similar although I put Philly above MSG because the latter was essentially a lark, maybe I'd win by some freak of luck.
1. Philly 4.29 GA 2. Philly 4.29 Res 3. MSG 5.2 GA 4. MSG 5.2 Res
I won choice 2, lost the others, maybe if I flipped 3 and 4 I stood a chance at MSG who knows. Either way the old system for big cities the draw basically a 25% shot, and that was going for the same 2 shows on all 4 picks. The old system was not some magic bullet people got shafted there too.
I don't think the issue is that people were also getting shafted back then, but if people were getting 10 shows with 8 of them being GAs back then. I got shut out in 2020 and I was fine with that seeing that other people got those shows. That is the way it played out for me. Some will win some shows, and some will lose some shows. But it is more about the distribution of winners this time and the multiple GAs for both nights of shows in many cities that stings a bit more for people who got nothing. This time I got Baltimore and MSG, So I can't complain at all. But I can understand the upset on how so many got so much and others got none, rather than so many got some and others got none.
If you recieved GA for show 1 in any of those cities, you were nearly guaranteed to recieve GA for show 2 of that same city. If you recieved P1 for show 1 of any of those cities, you were nearly a lock to recieve P1 for show 2. In fact, I don't believe there were any reports of a person receiving GA for show 2 of a city after receiving P1 for the 1st show of that same city. 0.
No matter how many times you assert this, it won't make it true. There have been dozens of people who've reported results that contradict what you're saying here. There was a poll that showed percentages that defy what you're saying here. There have been people who've specifically responded to your second point here by saying that they received P1/GA in that order, and you're just choosing to ignore them.
If you look hard enough you can find a pattern anywhere. Statistics are malleable. The data set of people posting here and on facebook is not representative of all members. Yes, the system could be improved to prevent some members getting 7 shows while others got shut out. A limit on the number of shows or requests might prevent those unfair results. And I agree that TM has has been less than reliable in the past. 10C ticketing has always had one issue or another, it is what it is. I have always had decent luck by picking what I think are tickets that have a lower demand, like P2 for MSG instead of GA.
stop making sense, everyone here wants to find a loophole in the space time continuum that will grant them GA to every show they want to go to.
Ridiculous comment - I recieved Reserved for Portland, Vancouver 1 and Vancouver 2. I've made not one complaint about those results. In fact, I have applauded TM Canada for their actual random drawing. My complaint has never even been about any of the single show cities nor has it been GA exclusive. My concern is the frequency with which someone selected (or shut out) for show 1 of a city (regardless of their seat assignment - GA, P1 or P2) was also guaranteed to recieve the same seat assignment (or also be shut out) of show #2 in the same city. This happened time and again for Seattle, LA, Las Vegas, Chicago, Boston and Philly.
If you recieved GA for show 1 in any of those cities, you were nearly guaranteed to recieve GA for show 2 of that same city. If you recieved P1 for show 1 of any of those cities, you were nearly a lock to recieve P1 for show 2. In fact, I don't believe there were any reports of a person receiving GA for show 2 of a city after receiving P1 for the 1st show of that same city. 0. Something wasn't random about this drawing. I'm not saying it was on a huge scale like in 2023. I'm not asking for a redraw. I'm not suggesting that I must get, or deserve, GA for any show. But I'm not ignoring that something was clearly amiss with the seat assignments for ticket buyers in both shows of the same cities.
you go on and keep cherry picking data, I in fact know people who got res night 1 at venue and GA night 2. It did in fact happen.
I applied for two nights in Vegas. As did my brother in law. We were going to go with the wives. It stung at first that he got both nights and I got nothing. But then it stung even more when I saw people getting like 6,9,10 shows; including both nights to Vegas.
I’m sure I can figure out how to get tickets another way. But 10C isn’t some small, grassroots fan club. It’s a big business that does (I am assuming) 100’s of millions of dollars in revenue every year. I don’t feel these outcomes are acceptable coming from a big business like this.
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It's not just GA. If someone put it for GA/P1 seats to both shows for a US city EXCLUDING NYC (i.e. Vegas, LA, Chicago, Philly and Boston or Seattle) they were ALMOST positively given the same results for each show in the same city. It is city specific. This did not occur for those entering 1 Wrigley show and 1 Philly show, etc... This did not appear to occur in Vancouver, Likely due to TM Canada handling it rather than US TM.
@mookieblalock - the pool already seems to be skewed due to people failing to read the information I was looking for. Or my inability to communicate it thoroughly. I was not iso feedback from those who entered a single show in Vegas and a show in Missoula. Strictly both shows of 1 city.
So, if selected for GA in LA 1, they also were nearly guaranteed GA night 2 If given P1 for Wrigley 1, they were also going to recieve P1 for Wrigley 2
Example: Person A put in request for GA/P1 for 6 shows LA 1 LA 2 Vegas 1 Vegas 2 Wrigley 1 Wrigley 2
What we are seeing as "random" results: LA 1 - GA LA 2 - GA Vegas 1 - P1 Reserved Vegas 2 - P1 Reserved Wrigley 1 - GA Wrigley 2 - GA
^^^^^^ This directly above. I have never seen this many doulbe GA, that are repeated. This seems off. Then, if looking around, you see a lot of people were also shut out of both shows for one city. Also, in very high numbers. It appears to be a new and weird pattern, specific to the recent draw.
There’s a poll on the front page that doesn’t line up with any of your cherry picked anecdotal evidence. Something like 8% of people got double GA in the same city. 92% didn’t.
Speaking of cherry picking, yet another reminder that the root complaint is not strictly regarding GA. It is about the percentage of people receiving the exact same choice for show 2 in city x as they did for show 1. Regardless of what Jimmy got drawn (or denied) for LA, he was (almost) automatically going to get the same selection for night 2 in LA.
This is the one example I saw where someone got a N2 GA after a N1 P1. I'm sure there are others, but there should be a lot more 'splits' than 'sames' especially with GA in cities with 2 shows. Something is funky with the double GA's in 2 show US cities (and maybe doubles in general).
But if there is a glitch like you're describing then this guy should not have pulled these seats.
I threw out one theory on why there are so many double GA's, and yes, this goes against that. It doesn't change that there are way too many GA/GA's being reported vs P1/GA (or GA/P1) on 2 show US cities. It shouldn't be anywhere close to 50/50 if it truly was a totally separate draw for each show.
You're drawing conclusions from an incomplete amount of data. It's all anecdotal. And you're dismissing the data that doesn't fit your conclusion.
.. Me: 1/5 Balt - denied Philly 1 - denied Philly 2 - denied MSG 1- denied MSG 2 - eligible for draw since I lost n1, won GA
the above is not anecdotal. I changed the names, it’s not me for sure, the first one is what we’d expect for such in demand cities, 1 for 4 (msg counts as one), but the one win is a huge one, msg GA. Notoriously difficult.
then the spouse goes four for four in the four toughest draws? which has to be a tiny fraction of one percent (assuming a 10-20% chance to win one NE Show)
then remaining two family members go four for five, which on its own is way under one percent. I left off their friend, who was one for two, not bad.
its very possible we are being toyed with, because to have all these under one percent hits in the same family… time to go to Vegas, baby.
(edit, there were many like this, but this was the big one)
The original post also had someone who was 1-for-2 as you note. I see five people whose success rates were 100, 100, 67, 50 and 20. It's not a perfect distribution, but it's a pretty broad distribution especially for such a small sample size. It's exactly the kind of broad distribution a random draw should generate.
If all those success rates are for the four shows in the high demand NE region, they are all WAY above statistical expectations, based on prior tours.
I am changing my answer to @on2legs - that example of a family’s success is not anecdotal. It is verifiable, if they chose to share the evidence. I am not saying I want them to do that, just that it is provable .
There is someone who hit all this on 1 account Portland Seattle n1 Seattle n2 MSG N2 Philly 1 GA Philly 2 GA Boston 1 GA Boston 2 GA
I believe their only miss was Baltimore
This has happened in the prior tour lotteries. Even with priority people have hit on 10 shows. Check those threads.
Not 10 shows where 7 are high demand. Not GA to 4 high demand shows.
Your complaints mirror the complaints from every prior tour. I get the sting of being shut out. I've been there on prior tours and Ed solo tours. And I've never won GA for any show ever. Win some. Lose some.
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I am changing my answer to @on2legs - that example of a family’s success is not anecdotal. It is verifiable, if they chose to share the evidence. I am not saying I want them to do that, just that it is provable .
Portland
Seattle n1
Seattle n2
MSG N2
Philly 1 GA
Philly 2 GA
Boston 1 GA
Boston 2 GA
I believe their only miss was Baltimore
I only entered for the Sat Philly show, as I am on a tight budget and can't fork out thousands of dollars up front in the case i won all, as it appears some did. I take seriously the direction to only enter what I'm willing to pay for. I knew it was a long shot, and honestly, I'm no longer as excited about this band as I used to be, especially now with the shorter sets and Ed's voice so shot that he just lets the audience sing all the songs for him. My disappointment isn't too great. But yes, I also observed a pattern of crazy winnings in the threads -- GA multiple nights in multiple cities for numerous people, the married couple for example who ended up with 4 GA tickets to everything they entered. I can't wrap my head around that kind of luck.
I also don't understand why the rejects like me haven't heard yet that we're rejects. If I don't get my rejection letter by Wed, I will see that as more evidence that something might have been jacked up here. But whatever -- that's 200 bucks plus travel expenses still in my bank account, so it's all good.
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1. Chicago 1 GA Standing
2. Boston 1 Res (there was no GA)
3. Boston 2 Res (there was no GA)
4. Chicago 2 Res
All I won was my 3rd Choice, and the demand was so high I went from A3 Turf 13 row to B3 Turf row 6
In 2016 the results were fairly similar although I put Philly above MSG because the latter was essentially a lark, maybe I'd win by some freak of luck.
1. Philly 4.29 GA
2. Philly 4.29 Res
3. MSG 5.2 GA
4. MSG 5.2 Res
I won choice 2, lost the others, maybe if I flipped 3 and 4 I stood a chance at MSG who knows. Either way the old system for big cities the draw basically a 25% shot, and that was going for the same 2 shows on all 4 picks. The old system was not some magic bullet people got shafted there too.
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This happened time and again for Seattle, LA, Las Vegas, Chicago, Boston and Philly.
If you recieved GA for show 1 in any of those cities, you were nearly guaranteed to recieve GA for show 2 of that same city. If you recieved P1 for show 1 of any of those cities, you were nearly a lock to recieve P1 for show 2. In fact, I don't believe there were any reports of a person receiving GA for show 2 of a city after receiving P1 for the 1st show of that same city. 0. Something wasn't random about this drawing. I'm not saying it was on a huge scale like in 2023. I'm not asking for a redraw. I'm not suggesting that I must get, or deserve, GA for any show. But I'm not ignoring that something was clearly amiss with the seat assignments for ticket buyers in both shows of the same cities.
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