My thoughts on the high number of N1 and N2 GA's vs 1 out of 2:
There should be a lot more 1 out of 2 GA's than 2 out of 2 for GA's in a single city, and it seems to be the opposite based on those reporting. Granted, we do not have all the results. One theory is that if you did not get picked GA for N1, you were not included in the GA pick for N2 (your names were removed from the GA draw for that city). This would leave only GA N1 winners, who also put in for GA N2, and those only going for GA N2 in a given city. This would lead to many more 2 for 2 GA's rather than 1 for 2 GA's.
Still waiting for an example of someone who (with a single account) put in for GA/P1 to both shows in a single city and received P1 N1 and GA N2. I've seen the reverse, which would fit the above theory, but the only example of P1 N1 and GA N2 reported turned out to be results from two accounts.
My thoughts on the high number of N1 and N2 GA's vs 1 out of 2:
There should be a lot more 1 out of 2 GA's than 2 out of 2 for GA's in a single city, and it seems to be the opposite based on those reporting. Granted, we do not have all the results. One theory is that if you did not get picked GA for N1, you were not included in the GA pick for N2 (your names were removed from the GA draw for that city). This would leave only GA N1 winners, who also put in for GA N2, and those only going for GA N2 in a given city. This would lead to many more 2 for 2 GA's rather than 1 for 2 GA's.
Still waiting for an example of someone who (with a single account) put in for GA/P1 to both shows in a single city and received P1 N1 and GA N2. I've seen the reverse, which would fit the above theory, but the only example of P1 N1 and GA N2 reported turned out to be results from two accounts.
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My thoughts on the high number of N1 and N2 GA's vs 1 out of 2:
There should be a lot more 1 out of 2 GA's than 2 out of 2 for GA's in a single city, and it seems to be the opposite based on those reporting. Granted, we do not have all the results. One theory is that if you did not get picked GA for N1, you were not included in the GA pick for N2 (your names were removed from the GA draw for that city). This would leave only GA N1 winners, who also put in for GA N2, and those only going for GA N2 in a given city. This would lead to many more 2 for 2 GA's rather than 1 for 2 GA's.
Still waiting for an example of someone who (with a single account) put in for GA/P1 to both shows in a single city and received P1 N1 and GA N2. I've seen the reverse, which would fit the above theory, but the only example of P1 N1 and GA N2 reported turned out to be results from two accounts.
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My thoughts on the high number of N1 and N2 GA's vs 1 out of 2:
There should be a lot more 1 out of 2 GA's than 2 out of 2 for GA's in a single city, and it seems to be the opposite based on those reporting. Granted, we do not have all the results. One theory is that if you did not get picked GA for N1, you were not included in the GA pick for N2 (your names were removed from the GA draw for that city). This would leave only GA N1 winners, who also put in for GA N2, and those only going for GA N2 in a given city. This would lead to many more 2 for 2 GA's rather than 1 for 2 GA's.
Still waiting for an example of someone who (with a single account) put in for GA/P1 to both shows in a single city and received P1 N1 and GA N2. I've seen the reverse, which would fit the above theory, but the only example of P1 N1 and GA N2 reported turned out to be results from two accounts.
Wow. This should be easy to disprove if not true. Are there really no examples of N1/P1 and N2/GA out there?
Based on the general results it seems like, yes, there was some kind of glitch. I say this due to the number of multiple show multiple GA winners vs. people who got shut out completely. That really should not happen statistically. Will it be significant enough for 10 Club to do anything about it? That remains to be seen. They acknowledged the problems much earlier last time and did their best to remedy where possible, but I think the problem in this draw is more subtle and for those of us who got no shows, we may just need to move on to TM.
With priority and seniority issues last year it was very obvious something was wrong. Something like this will be impossible to prove one way or another unless TM just comes out and says whoopsie. It is not like they will come out and show proof how their system works properly.
I agree with you. I think it was way too obvious last time and this is much harder to pinpoint what exactly they did. Maybe people got bulk shows, maybe once they won they were favored by the algo, maybe they just got non-mathematically possibly lucky. All of this just goes to the point that doing all of these shows in bulk causes problems. Go back to priority listing. No one wants to be a Pearl Jam ticket broker, so lets not go down the route of everyone just choosing all options for all shows. Give members a 3 show max. Allocate those, then open it up.
Unfortunately, unless we all stop going to shows, Ticketmaster has zero incentive to change anything.
If we stop going to shows, TM has more tickets to charge premium for.
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My thoughts on the high number of N1 and N2 GA's vs 1 out of 2:
There should be a lot more 1 out of 2 GA's than 2 out of 2 for GA's in a single city, and it seems to be the opposite based on those reporting. Granted, we do not have all the results. One theory is that if you did not get picked GA for N1, you were not included in the GA pick for N2 (your names were removed from the GA draw for that city). This would leave only GA N1 winners, who also put in for GA N2, and those only going for GA N2 in a given city. This would lead to many more 2 for 2 GA's rather than 1 for 2 GA's.
Still waiting for an example of someone who (with a single account) put in for GA/P1 to both shows in a single city and received P1 N1 and GA N2. I've seen the reverse, which would fit the above theory, but the only example of P1 N1 and GA N2 reported turned out to be results from two accounts.
It's a completely separate draw for each and every show. The results of any other show have zero bearing on who is selected. There is no fair/unfair. As long as you're actually in the draw and not just registered for Verified Fan, everyone has the same chance of being selected. Unless a recap of final results using the full spectrum of winners vs. entries etc. for each show is released, speculating based on a small subset of results reported by members online will never represent what happened. The complaining and conspiracy theories are fun to read though. Carry on.
**Edit MSG only shows where result of another show mattered as you could only win for one of the MSG shows**
It is supposed to be a completely separate draw for each and every show - but do you think that is what actually happened. Last year there were several mistakes that TM made with the lottery draw and assigning seats - so trust in their competence to do this correctly is not a given.
Why would it be any other way? Taking priority out of the equation made the draw process pretty cut and dry other than the MSG variable.
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My thoughts on the high number of N1 and N2 GA's vs 1 out of 2:
There should be a lot more 1 out of 2 GA's than 2 out of 2 for GA's in a single city, and it seems to be the opposite based on those reporting. Granted, we do not have all the results. One theory is that if you did not get picked GA for N1, you were not included in the GA pick for N2 (your names were removed from the GA draw for that city). This would leave only GA N1 winners, who also put in for GA N2, and those only going for GA N2 in a given city. This would lead to many more 2 for 2 GA's rather than 1 for 2 GA's.
Still waiting for an example of someone who (with a single account) put in for GA/P1 to both shows in a single city and received P1 N1 and GA N2. I've seen the reverse, which would fit the above theory, but the only example of P1 N1 and GA N2 reported turned out to be results from two accounts.
Me:
Vancouver 1 - Reserved P1
Vancouver 2 - GA
I selected both options for both shows.
Vancouver seems to have more variety in the results. It is the U.S. shows that seem weird.
My thoughts on the high number of N1 and N2 GA's vs 1 out of 2:
There should be a lot more 1 out of 2 GA's than 2 out of 2 for GA's in a single city, and it seems to be the opposite based on those reporting. Granted, we do not have all the results. One theory is that if you did not get picked GA for N1, you were not included in the GA pick for N2 (your names were removed from the GA draw for that city). This would leave only GA N1 winners, who also put in for GA N2, and those only going for GA N2 in a given city. This would lead to many more 2 for 2 GA's rather than 1 for 2 GA's.
Still waiting for an example of someone who (with a single account) put in for GA/P1 to both shows in a single city and received P1 N1 and GA N2. I've seen the reverse, which would fit the above theory, but the only example of P1 N1 and GA N2 reported turned out to be results from two accounts.
Me:
Vancouver 1 - Reserved P1
Vancouver 2 - GA
I selected both options for both shows.
Vancouver seems to have more variety in the results. It is the U.S. shows that seem weird.
It's a completely separate draw for each and every show. The results of any other show have zero bearing on who is selected. There is no fair/unfair. As long as you're actually in the draw and not just registered for Verified Fan, everyone has the same chance of being selected. Unless a recap of final results using the full spectrum of winners vs. entries etc. for each show is released, speculating based on a small subset of results reported by members online will never represent what happened. The complaining and conspiracy theories are fun to read though. Carry on.
**Edit MSG only shows where result of another show mattered as you could only win for one of the MSG shows**
It is supposed to be a completely separate draw for each and every show - but do you think that is what actually happened. Last year there were several mistakes that TM made with the lottery draw and assigning seats - so trust in their competence to do this correctly is not a given.
Why would it be any other way? Taking priority out of the equation made the draw process pretty cut and dry other than the MSG variable.
It seems cut and dried. Maybe they did everything right and some people are just that lucky. All I am saying is that with the multiple screw ups last year and the fact that for the past two tours people have either not gotten their commemorative tickets that they paid for, or had to spend months chasing them down, it is not unreasonable to question TM's competence in getting this right.
It's a completely separate draw for each and every show. The results of any other show have zero bearing on who is selected. There is no fair/unfair. As long as you're actually in the draw and not just registered for Verified Fan, everyone has the same chance of being selected. Unless a recap of final results using the full spectrum of winners vs. entries etc. for each show is released, speculating based on a small subset of results reported by members online will never represent what happened. The complaining and conspiracy theories are fun to read though. Carry on.
**Edit MSG only shows where result of another show mattered as you could only win for one of the MSG shows**
It is supposed to be a completely separate draw for each and every show - but do you think that is what actually happened. Last year there were several mistakes that TM made with the lottery draw and assigning seats - so trust in their competence to do this correctly is not a given.
Why would it be any other way? Taking priority out of the equation made the draw process pretty cut and dry other than the MSG variable.
It seems cut and dried. Maybe they did everything right and some people are just that lucky. All I am saying is that with the multiple screw ups last year and the fact that for the past two tours people have either not gotten their commemorative tickets that they paid for, or had to spend months chasing them down, it is not unreasonable to question TM's competence in getting this right.
I don't think it's just TM, I think the band has some say in it too.
The decision to limit MSG only to a single show per person, but not Philly, or Seattle, or GA tickets in general is curious. If they wanted to, they could.
The system is not unfair, all members have an equal chance to win tickets to every show, for all seating levels. Each show is an individual draw with an equal chance for all members. It is the results that could be perceived as unfair as members were highly successful and others got nothing. Some people win at blackjack, some people lose their shirts. And if you selected GA/P1 for your only option and got nothing you should not be surprised.
How is a system where one person wins GA to the same 4 shows I put in for and I get nothing not unfair?
Again; this goes back to not understanding basic statistics. Also, there weren’t a majority of people winning 4 GA shows. Some did. Most did not. Some got shut out completely, most did not get shut out completely. It’s really that simple.
I understand basic statistics, trust me. Applied math major here. My point is they shouldn't have a system that allows these types of outcomes.
You are probably right. People don't need to go 10 out of 10 on fan club lottery to enjoy the tour, when many get noting. But thems the breaks. Whatever they would try to do to put a cap on the lotto system in order to guarantee something for everyone would create another spiral of complaints. Two show minimum or whatever they may decide on etc. If we were all guaranteed one pair of 10C tickets per leg or something, I'd sign up for that and then you battle it out for more if you want. I don't think they will every even consider coming up with the parameters for something like that. It would lead to even more phony 10C accounts by resellers. Hell, I'd have a total of 6 accounts for me, my wife, and the kids.
For the record, exactly two people-- two!-- have reported going 10-for-10 in 93 pages of the lottery thread.
The system is not unfair, all members have an equal chance to win tickets to every show, for all seating levels. Each show is an individual draw with an equal chance for all members. It is the results that could be perceived as unfair as members were highly successful and others got nothing. Some people win at blackjack, some people lose their shirts. And if you selected GA/P1 for your only option and got nothing you should not be surprised.
How is a system where one person wins GA to the same 4 shows I put in for and I get nothing not unfair?
Again; this goes back to not understanding basic statistics. Also, there weren’t a majority of people winning 4 GA shows. Some did. Most did not. Some got shut out completely, most did not get shut out completely. It’s really that simple.
I understand basic statistics, trust me. Applied math major here. My point is they shouldn't have a system that allows these types of outcomes.
You are probably right. People don't need to go 10 out of 10 on fan club lottery to enjoy the tour, when many get noting. But thems the breaks. Whatever they would try to do to put a cap on the lotto system in order to guarantee something for everyone would create another spiral of complaints. Two show minimum or whatever they may decide on etc. If we were all guaranteed one pair of 10C tickets per leg or something, I'd sign up for that and then you battle it out for more if you want. I don't think they will every even consider coming up with the parameters for something like that. It would lead to even more phony 10C accounts by resellers. Hell, I'd have a total of 6 accounts for me, my wife, and the kids.
For the record, exactly two people-- two!-- have reported going 10-for-10 in 93 pages of the lottery thread.
And the odds of anyone going 10-10 are extremely low. Let alone 2 people
I'm not here for conspiracy theories, and it is what it is at this point, but as a math person, a lot of it just doesn't pass the smell test statistically speaking...like at all.
I was in the Vegas draw for both shows, as was my wife. I also have two friends that did the same set up, and every one of us got the same pick for both shows. I got res for both, both my friends got res for both, and all 3 wives didn't get picked at all for either show. That combined with seeing a lot of people hitting GA for both just doesn't smell right to me, from a purely mathematical/statistical probablitly standpoint.
The odds of all that happening that way if truly random are almost inmeasurably small.
This exactly. The question of whether the system is fair or another system is better is beside the point of the OP's premise that the bits of data that we're seeing don't pass the smell test. Those saying "that's just how statistics work" don't have enough data to say that the results we're seeing are consistent with the results that should be expected with a random draw. And given TM's track record with these lotteries--two redraws last year due to mistakes, for example--I don't understand why some are quick to write off the possibility that these draws were not executed in a truly random fashion.
Not sour grapes -- I wasn't expecting anything great from the lottery and almost didn't enter at all.
This ^ for SHZA! Simply put, something went wrong with the random draw.
Since I don't have hard data, I will suggest something that may have happened only based on the results I have seen here and heard through friends - so it may be off base, but thought it was worth a mention. Do any of you think that they drew for cities and not specific shows. So, if a person put in for two shows and they got whatever they got for the first show, they were also automatically given that for the second show. And if the first show was not won at all, then you were also not given the second show? But if you only put in for the second show, then you were in the draw for that show. From some of the winning patterns here, it almost seems like that. The two shows I got were both single night shows (Baltimore and MSG). But for the shows I put in with two nights - I was shut out of both nights completely. Again, just trying to figure out how some people got GA for both shows in multiple cities. I know it is possible, but seems so unlikely.
That's almost exactly what I think happened. There have been so few reports of same city splits (Seats on night and GA the other) that there was likely a selection difference of some sort from the majority. I could see the results trickling out today being of a more random nature as the issue has likely been identified and possibly corrected.
There have been plenty of reports of same-city splits. I flagged a half-dozen of them in a four-page span of the 93-page lottery thread. There were many others in the preceding 70 pages.
The system is not unfair, all members have an equal chance to win tickets to every show, for all seating levels. Each show is an individual draw with an equal chance for all members. It is the results that could be perceived as unfair as members were highly successful and others got nothing. Some people win at blackjack, some people lose their shirts. And if you selected GA/P1 for your only option and got nothing you should not be surprised.
How is a system where one person wins GA to the same 4 shows I put in for and I get nothing not unfair?
Again; this goes back to not understanding basic statistics. Also, there weren’t a majority of people winning 4 GA shows. Some did. Most did not. Some got shut out completely, most did not get shut out completely. It’s really that simple.
I understand basic statistics, trust me. Applied math major here. My point is they shouldn't have a system that allows these types of outcomes.
You are probably right. People don't need to go 10 out of 10 on fan club lottery to enjoy the tour, when many get noting. But thems the breaks. Whatever they would try to do to put a cap on the lotto system in order to guarantee something for everyone would create another spiral of complaints. Two show minimum or whatever they may decide on etc. If we were all guaranteed one pair of 10C tickets per leg or something, I'd sign up for that and then you battle it out for more if you want. I don't think they will every even consider coming up with the parameters for something like that. It would lead to even more phony 10C accounts by resellers. Hell, I'd have a total of 6 accounts for me, my wife, and the kids.
For the record, exactly two people-- two!-- have reported going 10-for-10 in 93 pages of the lottery thread.
And the odds of anyone going 10-10 are extremely low. Let alone 2 people
That's two people out of hundreds who have reported their results. And at least one of the two people went 10-for-10 but did not request New York, Philadelphia, Fenway or Wrigley.
The system is not unfair, all members have an equal chance to win tickets to every show, for all seating levels. Each show is an individual draw with an equal chance for all members. It is the results that could be perceived as unfair as members were highly successful and others got nothing. Some people win at blackjack, some people lose their shirts. And if you selected GA/P1 for your only option and got nothing you should not be surprised.
How is a system where one person wins GA to the same 4 shows I put in for and I get nothing not unfair?
Again; this goes back to not understanding basic statistics. Also, there weren’t a majority of people winning 4 GA shows. Some did. Most did not. Some got shut out completely, most did not get shut out completely. It’s really that simple.
I understand basic statistics, trust me. Applied math major here. My point is they shouldn't have a system that allows these types of outcomes.
You are probably right. People don't need to go 10 out of 10 on fan club lottery to enjoy the tour, when many get noting. But thems the breaks. Whatever they would try to do to put a cap on the lotto system in order to guarantee something for everyone would create another spiral of complaints. Two show minimum or whatever they may decide on etc. If we were all guaranteed one pair of 10C tickets per leg or something, I'd sign up for that and then you battle it out for more if you want. I don't think they will every even consider coming up with the parameters for something like that. It would lead to even more phony 10C accounts by resellers. Hell, I'd have a total of 6 accounts for me, my wife, and the kids.
For the record, exactly two people-- two!-- have reported going 10-for-10 in 93 pages of the lottery thread.
And the odds of anyone going 10-10 are extremely low. Let alone 2 people
How many people have been skunked after picking 4 or 5 shows?
The system is not unfair, all members have an equal chance to win tickets to every show, for all seating levels. Each show is an individual draw with an equal chance for all members. It is the results that could be perceived as unfair as members were highly successful and others got nothing. Some people win at blackjack, some people lose their shirts. And if you selected GA/P1 for your only option and got nothing you should not be surprised.
How is a system where one person wins GA to the same 4 shows I put in for and I get nothing not unfair?
Again; this goes back to not understanding basic statistics. Also, there weren’t a majority of people winning 4 GA shows. Some did. Most did not. Some got shut out completely, most did not get shut out completely. It’s really that simple.
I understand basic statistics, trust me. Applied math major here. My point is they shouldn't have a system that allows these types of outcomes.
You are probably right. People don't need to go 10 out of 10 on fan club lottery to enjoy the tour, when many get noting. But thems the breaks. Whatever they would try to do to put a cap on the lotto system in order to guarantee something for everyone would create another spiral of complaints. Two show minimum or whatever they may decide on etc. If we were all guaranteed one pair of 10C tickets per leg or something, I'd sign up for that and then you battle it out for more if you want. I don't think they will every even consider coming up with the parameters for something like that. It would lead to even more phony 10C accounts by resellers. Hell, I'd have a total of 6 accounts for me, my wife, and the kids.
For the record, exactly two people-- two!-- have reported going 10-for-10 in 93 pages of the lottery thread.
And the odds of anyone going 10-10 are extremely low. Let alone 2 people
How many people have been skunked after picking 4 or 5 shows?
My daughter won GA for Vancouver 1, and P1 for Vancouver 2
Yes, as I mentioned in the original post. This doesn't apply to Vancouver BC, which I assume (correctly?) was handled by TM Canada.... or MSG where it was limited to one of the two shows.
"Holly f**k, that was so amazing, I just forgot who I came here to see!!" - Courtesy of the guy in the U2 t-shirt standing next to me in Aloha Stadium, Post PJ
One thing to keep in mind. Both here and on Facebook, there are people complaining this morning who never actually entered the lottery. They registered for Verified Fan and thought that was the lottery, or they went to add a show on the last day and cancelled out all their previous picks. Not saying that describes any of you, but it does happen each year.
Yeah, there are always people who get confused. This post only pertains to people who actually put in for shows.
"Holly f**k, that was so amazing, I just forgot who I came here to see!!" - Courtesy of the guy in the U2 t-shirt standing next to me in Aloha Stadium, Post PJ
The system is not unfair, all members have an equal chance to win tickets to every show, for all seating levels. Each show is an individual draw with an equal chance for all members. It is the results that could be perceived as unfair as members were highly successful and others got nothing. Some people win at blackjack, some people lose their shirts. And if you selected GA/P1 for your only option and got nothing you should not be surprised.
We all generally understand "odds." But I guarantee you, if there was a poker game were someone won with a royal flush, ie double GA, 4 games in a row.... people would wonder.
Also, not a poker play, so if I messed something up in the above analogy, please forgive.
"Holly f**k, that was so amazing, I just forgot who I came here to see!!" - Courtesy of the guy in the U2 t-shirt standing next to me in Aloha Stadium, Post PJ
It's not just GA. If someone put it for GA/P1 seats to both shows for a US city EXCLUDING NYC (i.e. Vegas, LA, Chicago, Philly and Boston or Seattle) they were ALMOST positively given the same results for each show in the same city. It is city specific. This did not occur for those entering 1 Wrigley show and 1 Philly show, etc... This did not appear to occur in Vancouver, Likely due to TM Canada handling it rather than US TM.
@mookieblalock - the pool already seems to be skewed due to people failing to read the information I was looking for. Or my inability to communicate it thoroughly. I was not iso feedback from those who entered a single show in Vegas and a show in Missoula. Strictly both shows of 1 city.
So, if selected for GA in LA 1, they also were nearly guaranteed GA night 2 If given P1 for Wrigley 1, they were also going to recieve P1 for Wrigley 2
Example: Person A put in request for GA/P1 for 6 shows LA 1 LA 2 Vegas 1 Vegas 2 Wrigley 1 Wrigley 2
What we are seeing as "random" results: LA 1 - GA LA 2 - GA Vegas 1 - P1 Reserved Vegas 2 - P1 Reserved Wrigley 1 - GA Wrigley 2 - GA
^^^^^^ This directly above. I have never seen this many doulbe GA, that are repeated. This seems off. Then, if looking around, you see a lot of people were also shut out of both shows for one city. Also, in very high numbers. It appears to be a new and weird pattern, specific to the recent draw.
"Holly f**k, that was so amazing, I just forgot who I came here to see!!" - Courtesy of the guy in the U2 t-shirt standing next to me in Aloha Stadium, Post PJ
FWIW I got Vancouver n2 GA but shut out of N1. I don’t see a poll anywhere because I’m still using the broken mobile site but just wanted to throw out a data point.
Yeah, as I mentioned in the orginal post, I think TM Canada handles the Vancouver BC draw. (Could be wrong.) So, this doesn't apply to Vancouver BC or MSG, where you were limited to one night.
"Holly f**k, that was so amazing, I just forgot who I came here to see!!" - Courtesy of the guy in the U2 t-shirt standing next to me in Aloha Stadium, Post PJ
It's not just GA. If someone put it for GA/P1 seats to both shows for a US city EXCLUDING NYC (i.e. Vegas, LA, Chicago, Philly and Boston or Seattle) they were ALMOST positively given the same results for each show in the same city. It is city specific. This did not occur for those entering 1 Wrigley show and 1 Philly show, etc... This did not appear to occur in Vancouver, Likely due to TM Canada handling it rather than US TM.
@mookieblalock - the pool already seems to be skewed due to people failing to read the information I was looking for. Or my inability to communicate it thoroughly. I was not iso feedback from those who entered a single show in Vegas and a show in Missoula. Strictly both shows of 1 city.
So, if selected for GA in LA 1, they also were nearly guaranteed GA night 2 If given P1 for Wrigley 1, they were also going to recieve P1 for Wrigley 2
Example: Person A put in request for GA/P1 for 6 shows LA 1 LA 2 Vegas 1 Vegas 2 Wrigley 1 Wrigley 2
What we are seeing as "random" results: LA 1 - GA LA 2 - GA Vegas 1 - P1 Reserved Vegas 2 - P1 Reserved Wrigley 1 - GA Wrigley 2 - GA
^^^^^^ This directly above. I have never seen this many doulbe GA, that are repeated. This seems off. Then, if looking around, you see a lot of people were also shut out of both shows for one city. Also, in very high numbers. It appears to be a new and weird pattern, specific to the recent draw.
There’s a poll on the front page that doesn’t line up with any of your cherry picked anecdotal evidence. Something like 8% of people got double GA in the same city. 92% didn’t.
It's not just GA. If someone put it for GA/P1 seats to both shows for a US city EXCLUDING NYC (i.e. Vegas, LA, Chicago, Philly and Boston or Seattle) they were ALMOST positively given the same results for each show in the same city. It is city specific. This did not occur for those entering 1 Wrigley show and 1 Philly show, etc... This did not appear to occur in Vancouver, Likely due to TM Canada handling it rather than US TM.
@mookieblalock - the pool already seems to be skewed due to people failing to read the information I was looking for. Or my inability to communicate it thoroughly. I was not iso feedback from those who entered a single show in Vegas and a show in Missoula. Strictly both shows of 1 city.
So, if selected for GA in LA 1, they also were nearly guaranteed GA night 2 If given P1 for Wrigley 1, they were also going to recieve P1 for Wrigley 2
Example: Person A put in request for GA/P1 for 6 shows LA 1 LA 2 Vegas 1 Vegas 2 Wrigley 1 Wrigley 2
What we are seeing as "random" results: LA 1 - GA LA 2 - GA Vegas 1 - P1 Reserved Vegas 2 - P1 Reserved Wrigley 1 - GA Wrigley 2 - GA
^^^^^^ This directly above. I have never seen this many doulbe GA, that are repeated. This seems off. Then, if looking around, you see a lot of people were also shut out of both shows for one city. Also, in very high numbers. It appears to be a new and weird pattern, specific to the recent draw.
There’s a poll on the front page that doesn’t line up with any of your cherry picked anecdotal evidence. Something like 8% of people got double GA in the same city. 92% didn’t.
It's 12%, and that percentage is extremely high for double GA
It's not just GA. If someone put it for GA/P1 seats to both shows for a US city EXCLUDING NYC (i.e. Vegas, LA, Chicago, Philly and Boston or Seattle) they were ALMOST positively given the same results for each show in the same city. It is city specific. This did not occur for those entering 1 Wrigley show and 1 Philly show, etc... This did not appear to occur in Vancouver, Likely due to TM Canada handling it rather than US TM.
@mookieblalock - the pool already seems to be skewed due to people failing to read the information I was looking for. Or my inability to communicate it thoroughly. I was not iso feedback from those who entered a single show in Vegas and a show in Missoula. Strictly both shows of 1 city.
So, if selected for GA in LA 1, they also were nearly guaranteed GA night 2 If given P1 for Wrigley 1, they were also going to recieve P1 for Wrigley 2
Example: Person A put in request for GA/P1 for 6 shows LA 1 LA 2 Vegas 1 Vegas 2 Wrigley 1 Wrigley 2
What we are seeing as "random" results: LA 1 - GA LA 2 - GA Vegas 1 - P1 Reserved Vegas 2 - P1 Reserved Wrigley 1 - GA Wrigley 2 - GA
^^^^^^ This directly above. I have never seen this many doulbe GA, that are repeated. This seems off. Then, if looking around, you see a lot of people were also shut out of both shows for one city. Also, in very high numbers. It appears to be a new and weird pattern, specific to the recent draw.
There’s a poll on the front page that doesn’t line up with any of your cherry picked anecdotal evidence. Something like 8% of people got double GA in the same city. 92% didn’t.
It's 12%, and that percentage is extremely high for double GA
There are also an inordinate amount of people who got shut out for both nights in one city. So, if they put in for “GA or Reserved” but didn’t get GA… I don’t think they were added back into the draw for reserved seats for either night. People who selected “Reserved” in addition to “GA and Reserved” (whether P1 or P2) were probably okay. But those who thought they would be okay with just selecting “GA and Reserved” were not included in the general seated draw, therefore not getting either night.
Thoughts?
If said person only selected "GA or Reserved", that's on them. It was pretty clear all should be selected for best chance
It literally says this is the instructions, I pulled it directly: "Select GA Pit / Reserved for your best chance of getting tickets."
That would lead one to believe that if they selected "GA or Reserved" they wouldn't then need to also select just "Reserved."
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There should be a lot more 1 out of 2 GA's than 2 out of 2 for GA's in a single city, and it seems to be the opposite based on those reporting. Granted, we do not have all the results. One theory is that if you did not get picked GA for N1, you were not included in the GA pick for N2 (your names were removed from the GA draw for that city). This would leave only GA N1 winners, who also put in for GA N2, and those only going for GA N2 in a given city. This would lead to many more 2 for 2 GA's rather than 1 for 2 GA's.
Still waiting for an example of someone who (with a single account) put in for GA/P1 to both shows in a single city and received P1 N1 and GA N2. I've seen the reverse, which would fit the above theory, but the only example of P1 N1 and GA N2 reported turned out to be results from two accounts.
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The decision to limit MSG only to a single show per person, but not Philly, or Seattle, or GA tickets in general is curious. If they wanted to, they could.
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That would lead one to believe that if they selected "GA or Reserved" they wouldn't then need to also select just "Reserved."