Dark Matter World Tour 2024

GianGiovi94

How much is the % to win the draw? Is it very high, high, low o very low? 
I chose only Barcelona 1 and 2.

JeBurkhardt

This past weekend, I bought tickets for my wife and her teacher friends to go to the Bored Teachers tour show. The tickets were $32, after fees and taxes they were $46.50. 50% of the original ticket price. That is crazy.  

DEGBTI

JBob87 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Is the reason for not having "only GA" this time around, them having so few GA tickets in the house available that they just want to make it easy and instead of have a bunch of people go for GA and nothing else, they force them into seat-tickets?

Or what is the reason for it?

Almost certainly yes.

TM WANTS to sell the worst seats to the most rabid fans. With the hope that they will then desperately upgrade to a PJ Premium ticket (aka more money for TM) and dump their original ticket. In markets with open resale, 10c nosebleeds were often selling for below face…as I sA with the Chicago shows (MSG is a lone and obvious exception). The rabid fan then becomes the “bag holder”, taking the loss, but it’s spread out over a few transactions and a few CC bills so it is less painful and noticeable. Alternative would be for TM to sell the nosebleeds at “market value” aka what the secondary market will bear, but under this system they sell it for full freight and the rabid fan takes the loss. 

TM wanting to unload the worst seats early to the biggest fans at full price is the reason why there is no GA only option. It’s the only thing that makes any kind of sense. 

Entire situation is a farce. Elimination of priority probably the final straw for me. 

I kinda dont understand this. If I pick GA/res and dont get the GA tix, you are saying I now will get the worst res tickets in the house? If I have a low member number wouldn't I get my res seat based on seniority? 

G-force

These ticket prices are a bargain. Overall the actual cost to go to any of the big shows has increased 3x just since Covid.

$400 for a pair of tickets to see PJ is a steal and an incredible value.  Good luck!

G

troubledsoulsuniteblog

Spags said:

Spags said:

Just tried to go in for the Berlin shows but it won't let me add any tickets. Anybody have a fix for that? I went in using the TC link and everything!

Anybody else get to this screen but it doesn't let you click the big blue plus sign to change the number of tickets? 

*Anger intensifies*

Gotta click the check boxes before adding tickets.

Zod

DEGBTI said:

JBob87 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Is the reason for not having "only GA" this time around, them having so few GA tickets in the house available that they just want to make it easy and instead of have a bunch of people go for GA and nothing else, they force them into seat-tickets?

Or what is the reason for it?

Almost certainly yes.

TM WANTS to sell the worst seats to the most rabid fans. With the hope that they will then desperately upgrade to a PJ Premium ticket (aka more money for TM) and dump their original ticket. In markets with open resale, 10c nosebleeds were often selling for below face…as I sA with the Chicago shows (MSG is a lone and obvious exception). The rabid fan then becomes the “bag holder”, taking the loss, but it’s spread out over a few transactions and a few CC bills so it is less painful and noticeable. Alternative would be for TM to sell the nosebleeds at “market value” aka what the secondary market will bear, but under this system they sell it for full freight and the rabid fan takes the loss. 

TM wanting to unload the worst seats early to the biggest fans at full price is the reason why there is no GA only option. It’s the only thing that makes any kind of sense. 

Entire situation is a farce. Elimination of priority probably the final straw for me. 

I kinda dont understand this. If I pick GA/res and dont get the GA tix, you are saying I now will get the worst res tickets in the house? If I have a low member number wouldn't I get my res seat based on seniority? 

Not the worst in the house, but unlike other tours over the decades, 10c no longer gets all the best seats in the house.  A solid chunk go to pj premium (platinum), and the platinum tickets tend to be good ones (not ones in the nosebleeds).  Odds are you would be sitting substantially further back then you have on previous tours.

PJNB

hadrielia said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Is the reason for not having "only GA" this time around, them (tenclub) having so few GA tickets in the house available that they just want to make it easy and instead of have a bunch of people go for GA and nothing else, they force them into seat-tickets?

Or what is the reason for it?

I would say to sell really bad seats for a really good price that no one would pay in general sale

Bingo

Get_Right

Zod said:

DEGBTI said:

JBob87 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Is the reason for not having "only GA" this time around, them having so few GA tickets in the house available that they just want to make it easy and instead of have a bunch of people go for GA and nothing else, they force them into seat-tickets?

Or what is the reason for it?

Almost certainly yes.

TM WANTS to sell the worst seats to the most rabid fans. With the hope that they will then desperately upgrade to a PJ Premium ticket (aka more money for TM) and dump their original ticket. In markets with open resale, 10c nosebleeds were often selling for below face…as I sA with the Chicago shows (MSG is a lone and obvious exception). The rabid fan then becomes the “bag holder”, taking the loss, but it’s spread out over a few transactions and a few CC bills so it is less painful and noticeable. Alternative would be for TM to sell the nosebleeds at “market value” aka what the secondary market will bear, but under this system they sell it for full freight and the rabid fan takes the loss. 

TM wanting to unload the worst seats early to the biggest fans at full price is the reason why there is no GA only option. It’s the only thing that makes any kind of sense. 

Entire situation is a farce. Elimination of priority probably the final straw for me. 

I kinda dont understand this. If I pick GA/res and dont get the GA tix, you are saying I now will get the worst res tickets in the house? If I have a low member number wouldn't I get my res seat based on seniority? 

Not the worst in the house, but unlike other tours over the decades, 10c no longer gets all the best seats in the house.  A solid chunk go to pj premium (platinum), and the platinum tickets tend to be good ones (not ones in the nosebleeds).  Odds are you would be sitting substantially further back then you have on previous tours.

That is the biggest disappointment rather than the prices. That MSG map fully illustrates the concessions the band has made.

DEGBTI

Zod said:

DEGBTI said:

JBob87 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Is the reason for not having "only GA" this time around, them having so few GA tickets in the house available that they just want to make it easy and instead of have a bunch of people go for GA and nothing else, they force them into seat-tickets?

Or what is the reason for it?

Almost certainly yes.

TM WANTS to sell the worst seats to the most rabid fans. With the hope that they will then desperately upgrade to a PJ Premium ticket (aka more money for TM) and dump their original ticket. In markets with open resale, 10c nosebleeds were often selling for below face…as I sA with the Chicago shows (MSG is a lone and obvious exception). The rabid fan then becomes the “bag holder”, taking the loss, but it’s spread out over a few transactions and a few CC bills so it is less painful and noticeable. Alternative would be for TM to sell the nosebleeds at “market value” aka what the secondary market will bear, but under this system they sell it for full freight and the rabid fan takes the loss. 

TM wanting to unload the worst seats early to the biggest fans at full price is the reason why there is no GA only option. It’s the only thing that makes any kind of sense. 

Entire situation is a farce. Elimination of priority probably the final straw for me. 

I kinda dont understand this. If I pick GA/res and dont get the GA tix, you are saying I now will get the worst res tickets in the house? If I have a low member number wouldn't I get my res seat based on seniority? 

Not the worst in the house, but unlike other tours over the decades, 10c no longer gets all the best seats in the house.  A solid chunk go to pj premium (platinum), and the platinum tickets tend to be good ones (not ones in the nosebleeds).  Odds are you would be sitting substantially further back then you have on previous tours.

Understood, but I guess my question is will you get those bad seats weather you choose the GA/Res box or just went for Res only seats when you make your seating pick for the lottery?

CROJAM95

no doubt it sucks...I put in for (9) pairs....says around $3400.00 its absurd to think it was prob 40% less ten years ago....but in the big picture you have to take whats going on in the world as a major factor

my question is, once inflation gets under control, will prices on concert tix come down/ other products.....answer is most likely not, thats the frustrating thing....if you thought it was only a few year period to get thru, but once prices hit certain levels they rarely come back down to earth

JBob87

DEGBTI said:

JBob87 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Is the reason for not having "only GA" this time around, them having so few GA tickets in the house available that they just want to make it easy and instead of have a bunch of people go for GA and nothing else, they force them into seat-tickets?

Or what is the reason for it?

Almost certainly yes.

TM WANTS to sell the worst seats to the most rabid fans. With the hope that they will then desperately upgrade to a PJ Premium ticket (aka more money for TM) and dump their original ticket. In markets with open resale, 10c nosebleeds were often selling for below face…as I sA with the Chicago shows (MSG is a lone and obvious exception). The rabid fan then becomes the “bag holder”, taking the loss, but it’s spread out over a few transactions and a few CC bills so it is less painful and noticeable. Alternative would be for TM to sell the nosebleeds at “market value” aka what the secondary market will bear, but under this system they sell it for full freight and the rabid fan takes the loss. 

TM wanting to unload the worst seats early to the biggest fans at full price is the reason why there is no GA only option. It’s the only thing that makes any kind of sense. 

Entire situation is a farce. Elimination of priority probably the final straw for me. 

I kinda dont understand this. If I pick GA/res and dont get the GA tix, you are saying I now will get the worst res tickets in the house? If I have a low member number wouldn't I get my res seat based on seniority? 

No no no. Your seat will still be assigned on seniority.

Your seat will likely be farther back than it used to be. Same as everyone else. But you will have a better seat than others commiserate with your 10c number. 

I am saying that everyone got moved further back. Many waaaaayy further back. Last year there we member #s in the 300s in the upper deck opposite corners from the stage. Anyone who joined after that, forget about it. These are the people who were most likely to go GA or bust due to high 10c #s. Whereas 2016, 2018, 2020 these people still got good reserved seats if they missed GA (2020 tour I got lower bowl for 3 shows), now they are landing the worst seats in the house and arguably overpaying to boot. 

Merkin Baller

DEGBTI said:

Zod said:

DEGBTI said:

JBob87 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Is the reason for not having "only GA" this time around, them having so few GA tickets in the house available that they just want to make it easy and instead of have a bunch of people go for GA and nothing else, they force them into seat-tickets?

Or what is the reason for it?

Almost certainly yes.

TM WANTS to sell the worst seats to the most rabid fans. With the hope that they will then desperately upgrade to a PJ Premium ticket (aka more money for TM) and dump their original ticket. In markets with open resale, 10c nosebleeds were often selling for below face…as I sA with the Chicago shows (MSG is a lone and obvious exception). The rabid fan then becomes the “bag holder”, taking the loss, but it’s spread out over a few transactions and a few CC bills so it is less painful and noticeable. Alternative would be for TM to sell the nosebleeds at “market value” aka what the secondary market will bear, but under this system they sell it for full freight and the rabid fan takes the loss. 

TM wanting to unload the worst seats early to the biggest fans at full price is the reason why there is no GA only option. It’s the only thing that makes any kind of sense. 

Entire situation is a farce. Elimination of priority probably the final straw for me. 

I kinda dont understand this. If I pick GA/res and dont get the GA tix, you are saying I now will get the worst res tickets in the house? If I have a low member number wouldn't I get my res seat based on seniority? 

Not the worst in the house, but unlike other tours over the decades, 10c no longer gets all the best seats in the house.  A solid chunk go to pj premium (platinum), and the platinum tickets tend to be good ones (not ones in the nosebleeds).  Odds are you would be sitting substantially further back then you have on previous tours.

Understood, but I guess my question is will you get those bad seats weather you choose the GA/Res box or just went for Res only seats when you make your seating pick for the lottery?

I would think / hope that all seats are prioritized based on seniority regardless of your entry selection. 

If a low # member loses out on GA and then gets seated behind members with higher numbers who selected reserved seating exclusively, then there's really no point in going in for the lottery at all anymore, unless you're ok taking your chances for GA. 

Is the F2F exclusive to the 10C? 

If not, that's one more reason not to pay these dues every year. 

Merkin Baller

JBob87 said:

DEGBTI said:

JBob87 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Is the reason for not having "only GA" this time around, them having so few GA tickets in the house available that they just want to make it easy and instead of have a bunch of people go for GA and nothing else, they force them into seat-tickets?

Or what is the reason for it?

Almost certainly yes.

TM WANTS to sell the worst seats to the most rabid fans. With the hope that they will then desperately upgrade to a PJ Premium ticket (aka more money for TM) and dump their original ticket. In markets with open resale, 10c nosebleeds were often selling for below face…as I sA with the Chicago shows (MSG is a lone and obvious exception). The rabid fan then becomes the “bag holder”, taking the loss, but it’s spread out over a few transactions and a few CC bills so it is less painful and noticeable. Alternative would be for TM to sell the nosebleeds at “market value” aka what the secondary market will bear, but under this system they sell it for full freight and the rabid fan takes the loss. 

TM wanting to unload the worst seats early to the biggest fans at full price is the reason why there is no GA only option. It’s the only thing that makes any kind of sense. 

Entire situation is a farce. Elimination of priority probably the final straw for me. 

I kinda dont understand this. If I pick GA/res and dont get the GA tix, you are saying I now will get the worst res tickets in the house? If I have a low member number wouldn't I get my res seat based on seniority? 

No no no. Your seat will still be assigned on seniority.

Your seat will likely be farther back than it used to be. Same as everyone else. But you will have a better seat than others commiserate with your 10c number. 

I am saying that everyone got moved further back. Many waaaaayy further back. Last year there we member #s in the 300s in the upper deck opposite corners from the stage. Anyone who joined after that, forget about it. These are the people who were most likely to go GA or bust due to high 10c #s. Whereas 2016, 2018, 2020 these people still got good reserved seats if they missed GA (2020 tour I got lower bowl for 3 shows), now they are landing the worst seats in the house and arguably overpaying to boot. 

Yeah, my seats in St Paul last year were significantly further back than my seats in Philly in 2016. 

There may have been more 10C members in StP, with significantly less shows to get to in 2023, but man... the seats were WAY further back. 

HailHailVitalogy

JeBurkhardt said:

This past weekend, I bought tickets for my wife and her teacher friends to go to the Bored Teachers tour show. The tickets were $32, after fees and taxes they were $46.50. 50% of the original ticket price. That is crazy.  

So for PJ if the ticket price is $140 (for most shows) and fees are $35….that’s a 20% fee compared to thst example. That’s not bad. I think if we all saw $140 when selecting tickets, and then at checkout got charged $185 after fees and taxes, the conversation would be shifted to TM and LiveNation.

mpedone

DEGBTI said:

Zod said:

DEGBTI said:

JBob87 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Is the reason for not having "only GA" this time around, them having so few GA tickets in the house available that they just want to make it easy and instead of have a bunch of people go for GA and nothing else, they force them into seat-tickets?

Or what is the reason for it?

Almost certainly yes.

TM WANTS to sell the worst seats to the most rabid fans. With the hope that they will then desperately upgrade to a PJ Premium ticket (aka more money for TM) and dump their original ticket. In markets with open resale, 10c nosebleeds were often selling for below face…as I sA with the Chicago shows (MSG is a lone and obvious exception). The rabid fan then becomes the “bag holder”, taking the loss, but it’s spread out over a few transactions and a few CC bills so it is less painful and noticeable. Alternative would be for TM to sell the nosebleeds at “market value” aka what the secondary market will bear, but under this system they sell it for full freight and the rabid fan takes the loss. 

TM wanting to unload the worst seats early to the biggest fans at full price is the reason why there is no GA only option. It’s the only thing that makes any kind of sense. 

Entire situation is a farce. Elimination of priority probably the final straw for me. 

I kinda dont understand this. If I pick GA/res and dont get the GA tix, you are saying I now will get the worst res tickets in the house? If I have a low member number wouldn't I get my res seat based on seniority? 

Not the worst in the house, but unlike other tours over the decades, 10c no longer gets all the best seats in the house.  A solid chunk go to pj premium (platinum), and the platinum tickets tend to be good ones (not ones in the nosebleeds).  Odds are you would be sitting substantially further back then you have on previous tours.

Understood, but I guess my question is will you get those bad seats weather you choose the GA/Res box or just went for Res only seats when you make your seating pick for the lottery?

So, it looks like you can choose "GA/P1" or "P1". So, if you choose just "GA/P1" and don't get GA, you'll be in P1 with the others who either didn't get GA or chose just P1, and seats in P1 will be assigned by seniority.

I think the only way you'd end up behind higher numbers (assuming this all actually works correctly) is if the show also had a P2 section, you chose all three to maximize your chances, and got P2 while members with higher numbers got P1.

Spiritual_Chaos

What is this "PJ Premium"? Has Pearl Jam started with VIP tickets and shit now too?

Force Of Nature

Spiritual_Chaos said:

What is this "PJ Premium"? Has Pearl Jam started with VIP tickets and shit now too?

PJ Premium:

PJ Premium seats are located in a variety of preferred locations and account for approximately 10% of ticket inventory per show. They are priced at market rate to offset increased touring costs while also keeping prices low for the rest of the ticket inventory. PJ Premium tickets will only be available through Ticketmaster Registration Sale along with regularly priced tickets. 

Spiritual_Chaos

Force Of Nature said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

What is this "PJ Premium"? Has Pearl Jam started with VIP tickets and shit now too?

PJ Premium:

PJ Premium seats are located in a variety of preferred locations and account for approximately 10% of ticket inventory per show. They are priced at market rate to offset increased touring costs while also keeping prices low for the rest of the ticket inventory. PJ Premium tickets will only be available through Ticketmaster Registration Sale along with regularly priced tickets. 

Thanks. Nice to see a "we know this is a bit yucky to be a part of"-explanation for why. I appreciate that. Hah.

rw160510

I’m very undecided at the moment. Realistically I’m fortunate enough that I can afford a couple of tickets to each of the uk shows. That being said for 2 people, travel, hotels, meals etc makes each show at least £500 a pop so maybe a grand for 2 shows/nights out. That just feels like too much to me this time. I know the tickets are fairly priced compared to other acts in real terms. It’ll be the first full band tour of Europe I miss in 24 years if I don’t go and I think I’m ok with that this time around.

DEGBTI

thanks for the answers!