Dark Matter World Tour 2024

PJ_Soul

Dbongers said:

PJ_Soul said:

LostDog_72 said:

guruwhistler said:

Does anyone know if London has a dedicated Ten club section at the front?

I don't believe it does. The tickets options were for 1) standing/seating OR 2) seating only.

This suggests that by going for option 1, you might get standing or you might get nosebleed seats right at the back. Double lucky dip!

I have to say, after all the excitement if the past few days, I feel really......deflated

I don't know about London, but I do know that the same options are shown for North American shows, where GA is definitely a 10C-dedicated section, so I don't think those two options showing indicates one way or the other if GA pit in London is 10C-dedicated.

For London it only showed a smaller section right in front of the stage. Not the entire floor for GA. 

So 10C is more like a golden cirkel/pit idea, the GA is probably for verified fans(and general onsale if any would be left). 

Same for NA - it's always like that over here, never the whole floor. GA is definitely 10C tix only when they do that. GA won't be part of the general sale when it's a small pit.

chukdotcom

London show seems like it will be feast or famine. Tons of seated seats and not a lot of GA. Lots of people putting in for GA and then getting seats and needing to sell them. Any maybe having to eat them...This one feels risky if you are GA or bust.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

josevolution said:

I live here in NY good luck getting tickets to MSG! Corporate greed I hope they have the nerve to breakout Green desease at the show! 

75% of the folks who do win for MSG will be sitting in the upper bowl. Right? 
I look at that seating chart, showing what's available to 10club members, and its not pretty. 

laspalmas.dk

In Manchester, is it not possible to submit for standing only? 

I’m not paying that kind of money plus very high travel expenses (due to the very late announcement of the tour) to be seated at a concert. That just ridiculous. 

Hope I’m wrong? 

walkunafraid

Poncier said:

BF25394 said:

Poncier said:

BF25394 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Hawk123 said:

Concert tickets have been spiking in price every tour for most big acts, it’s not a gradual increase. I think it’s finally hit my tipping point where I can’t justify travelling to shows

I get that the PJ 2022-shows were pre-covid and inflation 2020-priced. So there would be a hike in price.

But I paid alooooot less for Rolling Stones in 2022, Taylor Swift this year and Bruce Springsteen last year. And those acts do not have the fan-friendly guise of Pearl Jam. I paid less to sit at the front row of a Bob Dylan show, and his crowd are well-off SAAB-driving intellectuals looking for a nice night out.

And the only major artist more fan-friendly than Swift is probably Garth Brooks.

Robert Smith has entered the chat.

I'm not getting the Cure reference. Enlighten me.

Last year's Cure tour. Smith insisted all tickets sold at reasonable face value. No resale tix. No Platinum Tix. No PJ Premium tix. No dynamic pricing. When some cheap tix were sold with TM fees that were very high compared to tix prices (lawn seats I believe), he got TM to refund most of the TM fees.
Proved that artist has final say, the Platinum and dynamic pricing are approved by the artist, including our boys and Mr. Springsteen and all the rest. They could opt not to participate if they were OK making less money just like Smith did.

That's all true, but it doesn't mean tickets for The Cure were more affordable than tickets for PJ. I paid $467 for 2 tickets (so about $234 per ticket) to see The Cure at The Hollywood Bowl in Terrace 3, which is behind both GA and the Garden Boxes. GA tickets and Garden Boxes were more expensive than what I paid (a Google search brings up Garden for $225 before fees, so likely around $260 per), while you could get seats pretty cheap if you sat all the way back in the Promenade.

Now, I think it's great that you could go see The Cure for less than $100 if you're on a budget, but let's not pretend like there isn't premium pricing here just because it's not explicitly called that. The concept of paying more for sitting closer was the same, it was just distributed more widely across entire sections of the venue at a more balanced rate than PJ Premium, which is limited to smaller sections of the venue but at a far higher cost. At heart, the purpose is the same, even if the exact strategy isn't—sell some seats for a higher cost (because some people are willing to pay those prices) so that you can offer cheaper seats elsewhere.

Personally, I'd rather have a chance at $185 pit tickets to see PJ, even if I ultimately have to settle for $175 tickets further back, then to have to pay $235+ to see them close-ish to the front (again, I appreciate the opportunity for Cure fans to buy cheap tickets way in the back, but that would never be me despite the fact that I'm far from wealthy).

josevolution

walkunafraid said:

Poncier said:

BF25394 said:

Poncier said:

BF25394 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Hawk123 said:

Concert tickets have been spiking in price every tour for most big acts, it’s not a gradual increase. I think it’s finally hit my tipping point where I can’t justify travelling to shows

I get that the PJ 2022-shows were pre-covid and inflation 2020-priced. So there would be a hike in price.

But I paid alooooot less for Rolling Stones in 2022, Taylor Swift this year and Bruce Springsteen last year. And those acts do not have the fan-friendly guise of Pearl Jam. I paid less to sit at the front row of a Bob Dylan show, and his crowd are well-off SAAB-driving intellectuals looking for a nice night out.

And the only major artist more fan-friendly than Swift is probably Garth Brooks.

Robert Smith has entered the chat.

I'm not getting the Cure reference. Enlighten me.

Last year's Cure tour. Smith insisted all tickets sold at reasonable face value. No resale tix. No Platinum Tix. No PJ Premium tix. No dynamic pricing. When some cheap tix were sold with TM fees that were very high compared to tix prices (lawn seats I believe), he got TM to refund most of the TM fees.
Proved that artist has final say, the Platinum and dynamic pricing are approved by the artist, including our boys and Mr. Springsteen and all the rest. They could opt not to participate if they were OK making less money just like Smith did.

That's all true, but it doesn't mean tickets for The Cure were more affordable than tickets for PJ. I paid $467 for 2 tickets (so about $234 per ticket) to see The Cure at The Hollywood Bowl in Terrace 3, which is behind both GA and the Garden Boxes. GA tickets and Garden Boxes were more expensive than what I paid (a Google search brings up Garden for $225 before fees, so likely around $260 per), while you could get seats pretty cheap if you sat all the way back in the Promenade.

Now, I think it's great that you could go see The Cure for less than $100 if you're on a budget, but let's not pretend like there isn't premium pricing here just because it's not explicitly called that. The concept of paying more for sitting closer was the same, it was just distributed more widely across entire sections of the venue at a more balanced rate than PJ Premium, which is limited to smaller sections of the venue but at a far higher cost. At heart, the purpose is the same, even if the exact strategy isn't—sell some seats for a higher cost (because some people are willing to pay those prices) so that you can offer cheaper seats elsewhere.

Personally, I'd rather have a chance at $185 pit tickets to see PJ, even if I ultimately have to settle for $175 tickets further back, then to have to pay $235+ to see them close-ish to the front (again, I appreciate the opportunity for Cure fans to buy cheap tickets way in the back, but that would never be me despite the fact that I'm far from wealthy).

The gray areas of MSG are not available to us in the 10C they have been put aside for platinum and season ticket holders and corporate folks! That was never the case before go back to 2003 remember Ed stating how many 10C members were in attendance? Way more than what will be in the building this tour! 

walkunafraid

josevolution said:

walkunafraid said:

Poncier said:

BF25394 said:

Poncier said:

BF25394 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Hawk123 said:

Concert tickets have been spiking in price every tour for most big acts, it’s not a gradual increase. I think it’s finally hit my tipping point where I can’t justify travelling to shows

I get that the PJ 2022-shows were pre-covid and inflation 2020-priced. So there would be a hike in price.

But I paid alooooot less for Rolling Stones in 2022, Taylor Swift this year and Bruce Springsteen last year. And those acts do not have the fan-friendly guise of Pearl Jam. I paid less to sit at the front row of a Bob Dylan show, and his crowd are well-off SAAB-driving intellectuals looking for a nice night out.

And the only major artist more fan-friendly than Swift is probably Garth Brooks.

Robert Smith has entered the chat.

I'm not getting the Cure reference. Enlighten me.

Last year's Cure tour. Smith insisted all tickets sold at reasonable face value. No resale tix. No Platinum Tix. No PJ Premium tix. No dynamic pricing. When some cheap tix were sold with TM fees that were very high compared to tix prices (lawn seats I believe), he got TM to refund most of the TM fees.
Proved that artist has final say, the Platinum and dynamic pricing are approved by the artist, including our boys and Mr. Springsteen and all the rest. They could opt not to participate if they were OK making less money just like Smith did.

That's all true, but it doesn't mean tickets for The Cure were more affordable than tickets for PJ. I paid $467 for 2 tickets (so about $234 per ticket) to see The Cure at The Hollywood Bowl in Terrace 3, which is behind both GA and the Garden Boxes. GA tickets and Garden Boxes were more expensive than what I paid (a Google search brings up Garden for $225 before fees, so likely around $260 per), while you could get seats pretty cheap if you sat all the way back in the Promenade.

Now, I think it's great that you could go see The Cure for less than $100 if you're on a budget, but let's not pretend like there isn't premium pricing here just because it's not explicitly called that. The concept of paying more for sitting closer was the same, it was just distributed more widely across entire sections of the venue at a more balanced rate than PJ Premium, which is limited to smaller sections of the venue but at a far higher cost. At heart, the purpose is the same, even if the exact strategy isn't—sell some seats for a higher cost (because some people are willing to pay those prices) so that you can offer cheaper seats elsewhere.

Personally, I'd rather have a chance at $185 pit tickets to see PJ, even if I ultimately have to settle for $175 tickets further back, then to have to pay $235+ to see them close-ish to the front (again, I appreciate the opportunity for Cure fans to buy cheap tickets way in the back, but that would never be me despite the fact that I'm far from wealthy).

The gray areas of MSG are not available to us in the 10C they have been put aside for platinum and season ticket holders and corporate folks! That was never the case before go back to 2003 remember Ed stating how many 10C members were in attendance? Way more than what will be in the building this tour! 

Honest question: How do you know that all those tickets are for platinum/season-ticket holders and corporate folks? Isn't it possible they are keeping some/many/most of those tickets open for the Verified Fan sale?

josevolution

walkunafraid said:

josevolution said:

walkunafraid said:

Poncier said:

BF25394 said:

Poncier said:

BF25394 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Hawk123 said:

Concert tickets have been spiking in price every tour for most big acts, it’s not a gradual increase. I think it’s finally hit my tipping point where I can’t justify travelling to shows

I get that the PJ 2022-shows were pre-covid and inflation 2020-priced. So there would be a hike in price.

But I paid alooooot less for Rolling Stones in 2022, Taylor Swift this year and Bruce Springsteen last year. And those acts do not have the fan-friendly guise of Pearl Jam. I paid less to sit at the front row of a Bob Dylan show, and his crowd are well-off SAAB-driving intellectuals looking for a nice night out.

And the only major artist more fan-friendly than Swift is probably Garth Brooks.

Robert Smith has entered the chat.

I'm not getting the Cure reference. Enlighten me.

Last year's Cure tour. Smith insisted all tickets sold at reasonable face value. No resale tix. No Platinum Tix. No PJ Premium tix. No dynamic pricing. When some cheap tix were sold with TM fees that were very high compared to tix prices (lawn seats I believe), he got TM to refund most of the TM fees.
Proved that artist has final say, the Platinum and dynamic pricing are approved by the artist, including our boys and Mr. Springsteen and all the rest. They could opt not to participate if they were OK making less money just like Smith did.

That's all true, but it doesn't mean tickets for The Cure were more affordable than tickets for PJ. I paid $467 for 2 tickets (so about $234 per ticket) to see The Cure at The Hollywood Bowl in Terrace 3, which is behind both GA and the Garden Boxes. GA tickets and Garden Boxes were more expensive than what I paid (a Google search brings up Garden for $225 before fees, so likely around $260 per), while you could get seats pretty cheap if you sat all the way back in the Promenade.

Now, I think it's great that you could go see The Cure for less than $100 if you're on a budget, but let's not pretend like there isn't premium pricing here just because it's not explicitly called that. The concept of paying more for sitting closer was the same, it was just distributed more widely across entire sections of the venue at a more balanced rate than PJ Premium, which is limited to smaller sections of the venue but at a far higher cost. At heart, the purpose is the same, even if the exact strategy isn't—sell some seats for a higher cost (because some people are willing to pay those prices) so that you can offer cheaper seats elsewhere.

Personally, I'd rather have a chance at $185 pit tickets to see PJ, even if I ultimately have to settle for $175 tickets further back, then to have to pay $235+ to see them close-ish to the front (again, I appreciate the opportunity for Cure fans to buy cheap tickets way in the back, but that would never be me despite the fact that I'm far from wealthy).

The gray areas of MSG are not available to us in the 10C they have been put aside for platinum and season ticket holders and corporate folks! That was never the case before go back to 2003 remember Ed stating how many 10C members were in attendance? Way more than what will be in the building this tour! 

Honest question: How do you know that all those tickets are for platinum/season-ticket holders and corporate folks? Isn't it possible they are keeping some/many/most of those tickets open for the Verified Fan sale?

Then why don’t they state that? To at least let folks know! 

JM188265

YourDirtisMyfood said:

I'm curious on the fees breakdown.  We know the ticket(s) are $175 each.  Does it work out that it's $140 per ticket and $35 in taxes/fees to = the $175?

There’s also this:  NOTE: Each ticket includes a charitable contribution to the Vitalogy Foundation, a United States-based public charity under I.R.C. section 501(c)(3) and 509(a)(1).

Merkin Baller

In for Dublin, Manchester & Fenway. 

Good luck people. 

RatherStarved

Well, I’m interested in a dozen or so shows, but will be relying on fan to fan for about 3/4 of them based on the fan club offering.  I don’t feel entitled to better options than what is offered but I’m also not going to enter many shows based on these offers.  Only the expected highest demand shows.  

Sugarloafer04

I'm in for Vegas X2 Fenway X2 and MSG X2 although did anyone else read for MSG you can only win one of the two nights. Obviously just winning one would be huge but thought that was interesting, assuming that one will have the highest demand followed closely by Philly and Seattle. Not looking forward to seeing the StubHub prices for MSG...

LianeFitz

Does anyone know if we will find out in the 10C ticket confirmation whether we have been allocated GA or Seating section? 

Maybe this only applies to the Australian dates, but the FAQs Key Dates section states the below. Hoping this would only apply to your actual seat location and number, if allocated seats and that the confirmation would let you know if you had successfully gotten GA?

Friday, February 16 – Sunday, February 18
• Ten Club Members-Only Presale ticket confirmations will be sent out on a show-by-show basis. Note: Tickets will not show in your Ticketmaster account until all seating assignments are finalized. We will email you instructions on how to view your tickets in your
Ticketmaster account in March (date TBC).

marlonrando

For most venues they’ve  blocked off the far majority of tickets for 10c, which says a lot about the band. Well done. But MSG on the other hand, didn’t give up any of the 100s (outside of 6 o’clock seating). Curious…

Frumpy

goldrush said:

$296.94 for one ticket here in Australia. Fuck me. 

I guess I should have put $1 a week in my piggy bank for each of the 524 weeks since they last played here...

Yeah shocked me how much they were. And with 10c tickets, you're as much a chance to get seated tickets to the side than you are in the front of GA (and have to commit to buy a ticket not knowing what you'll get). Ill wait for GA tickets to become available. If i can get a GA ill get a ticket, if i can only get a seat i wont go, not for $300. 

For a band that used to complain about tickets being $20 for a show, they're happy to charge $300 and they dont even need the money these days 

Edit: I was hoping they'd do a day on the green concert

UseUrIllusions

I guess the demand of these shows are going to be high, so the f2f market should be active and I doubt unloading tickets will be a problem. It does suck if you try to sell the worst 10 club seats in the house tho 😒

BF25394

Frumpy said:

goldrush said:

$296.94 for one ticket here in Australia. Fuck me. 

I guess I should have put $1 a week in my piggy bank for each of the 524 weeks since they last played here...

Yeah shocked me how much they were. And with 10c tickets, you're as much a chance to get seated tickets to the side than you are in the front of GA (and have to commit to buy a ticket not knowing what you'll get). Ill wait for GA tickets to become available. If i can get a GA ill get a ticket, if i can only get a seat i wont go, not for $300. 

For a band that used to complain about tickets being $20 for a show, they're happy to charge $300 and they dont even need the money these days 

Edit: I was hoping they'd do a day on the green concert

I'm pretty sure the $20 figure you cite was in U.S. dollars. (Jeff and Stone did not, as far as I'm aware, testify in front of a subcommittee of the Australian Parliament.) The 2024 shows are not $300 U.S. They are under $200 U.S. Some of that is due to inflation ($20 in 1993 is about $42 in 2024). Some of that is that the overall cost of putting on a show and tour are much more expensive than it was in 1993. Crew costs more, insurance costs more, travel expenses cost more, touring in an ecologically sound way costs more. Also, in 1993, bands could make a living off of their music in a way that very few can anymore. By way of comparison: Vs. sold 950,000 copies in its first week of release in 1993; Dark Matter will probably sell fewer than 50,000 copies in its first week. Streaming pays artists a trickle, and that's if the distributors even pass all of it on to the artists. (They often don't, and it is very difficult for an artist to get transparency in this area.) Touring and touring-related merchandise is where an artist like Pearl Jam makes the lion's share of its income in 2024. And the money doesn't just all go into the five primary band member's pockets. They are essentially running a small business with employees handling various aspects of the business, and those people need to earn a living, too.

tylermoore

I know it seems dramatic to complain about this….. But this system is obviously getting worse and worse right? I feel like not being able to select priority or at least a hometown show, seems kind of insane. 

I guess if anything, it’s frustrating I can get better seats, for “bigger” bands without being in their fan club. Part of that is the amount of dates maybe, but man…. 

Get_Right

BF25394 said:

Frumpy said:

goldrush said:

$296.94 for one ticket here in Australia. Fuck me. 

I guess I should have put $1 a week in my piggy bank for each of the 524 weeks since they last played here...

Yeah shocked me how much they were. And with 10c tickets, you're as much a chance to get seated tickets to the side than you are in the front of GA (and have to commit to buy a ticket not knowing what you'll get). Ill wait for GA tickets to become available. If i can get a GA ill get a ticket, if i can only get a seat i wont go, not for $300. 

For a band that used to complain about tickets being $20 for a show, they're happy to charge $300 and they dont even need the money these days 

Edit: I was hoping they'd do a day on the green concert

I'm pretty sure the $20 figure you cite was in U.S. dollars. (Jeff and Stone did not, as far as I'm aware, testify in front of a subcommittee of the Australian Parliament.) The 2024 shows are not $300 U.S. They are under $200 U.S. Some of that is due to inflation ($20 in 1993 is about $42 in 2024). Some of that is that the overall cost of putting on a show and tour are much more expensive than it was in 1993. Crew costs more, insurance costs more, travel expenses cost more, touring in an ecologically sound way costs more. Also, in 1993, bands could make a living off of their music in a way that very few can anymore. By way of comparison: Vs. sold 950,000 copies in its first week of release in 1993; Dark Matter will probably sell fewer than 50,000 copies in its first week. Streaming pays artists a trickle, and that's if the distributors even pass all of it on to the artists. (They often don't, and it is very difficult for an artist to get transparency in this area.) Touring and touring-related merchandise is where an artist like Pearl Jam makes the lion's share of its income in 2024. And the money doesn't just all go into the five primary band member's pockets. They are essentially running a small business with employees handling various aspects of the business, and those people need to earn a living, too.

That is part of the reason.  I believe the main driver of higher ticket prices is the secondary market. Bands and TM are capturing the revenue generated by sellers like stubhub. TM wants to capture the millions of dollars that is made by resellers. If someone is willing to pay $400 on stubhub, why shouldn't the band get that revenue? That is the value proposition that TM presents to the artist and it is tough for them to say no.

guicorsi

Hi, 
I want to go to Barcelona in both nights but I'm not sure what is the best approach to get a good place. My 10c number isn't great and the venue is not huge. I joined the lottery for both nights but I'm really scared to end up with bad tickets and not be able to sell it afterwards... Maybe I should cancel the requests and try the general selling? 

Would be great to hear other opinions since im thinking about it for a long time and didn't reach any conclusion.