Pearl Jam Ruoff Music Center Postponement

Merkin Baller

covered in bliss said:

It's interesting to speculate. My guess is an imminent death in the family for someone & they had to say their goodbyes. 

Good call. It’s entirely possible it wasn’t one of the band members who was ill, but someone close to them & things were dire. 

CO278952

Merkin Baller said:

Summersas79 said:

runstaples said:

Spurs14 said:

It's Pearl Jam, not Eddie Vedder and friends.  I want to see and hear Ed, Jeff, Stone, Mike, and Matt or I'd be massively disappointed.

Apologies to Boom and Josh.

I 3rd this. Eddie is great, but it's not the same without them all. Each person brings a unique fire and sound. I can't imagine someone covering for one of them, it wouldn't be Pearl Jam.

Yes it would... Ed IS PJ. You can take Ed out of PJ an he'll carry it wherever he goes. Any other guy an no... Nope. Uh-uh. They can't carry that weight individually, he can tho. 

Strong disagree here… as talented a performer as Ed is, there’s a reason I could take or leave his solo shows but will travel thousands of miles for Pearl Jam. I could take a stand in for Matt or Boom for a night, but it wouldn’t be Pearl Jam w/ out Mike running around like a squirrel on cocaine or Jeff & Stone locked in on their grooves. 

Would I have boycotted one of the St Paul shows if I knew Josh was filling for one of those three? Of course not… but I would have been disappointed about missing that musician, and in my mind there would be an asterisk next to that show. 

100% agree. PJ is the core 5 members to me. Would not be the same with a stand in for any of them. 

gotthebottle

mcgruff10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Summersas79 said:

runstaples said:

Spurs14 said:

It's Pearl Jam, not Eddie Vedder and friends.  I want to see and hear Ed, Jeff, Stone, Mike, and Matt or I'd be massively disappointed.

Apologies to Boom and Josh.

I 3rd this. Eddie is great, but it's not the same without them all. Each person brings a unique fire and sound. I can't imagine someone covering for one of them, it wouldn't be Pearl Jam.

Yes it would... Ed IS PJ. You can take Ed out of PJ an he'll carry it wherever he goes. Any other guy an no... Nope. Uh-uh. They can't carry that weight individually, he can tho. 

Strong disagree here… as talented a performer as Ed is, there’s a reason I could take or leave his solo shows but will travel thousands of miles for Pearl Jam. I could take a stand in for Matt or Boom for a night, but it wouldn’t be Pearl Jam w/ out Mike running around like a squirrel on cocaine or Jeff & Stone locked in on their grooves. 

Would I have boycotted one of the St Paul shows if I knew Josh was filling for one of those three? Of course not… but I would have been disappointed about missing that musician, and in my mind there would be an asterisk next to that show. 

I think the vast majority of us wouldn't notice musically if any of the members minus ed wasn't playing a specific night.  

UNTRUE...

HughFreakingDillon

Ed is NOT PJ

kmcmanus

I think there’s a large number of people who would miss Mike more than Eddie

Save Who

kmcmanus said:

I think there’s a large number of people who would miss Mike more than Eddie

Well, maybe not more but just as much for sure.  My focal point is Mike most shows lol

Pdanak

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

RatherStarved said:

For those deciding about FW plans, as data points only I went back to the Euro 2022 cancellation notices for Prague and AMS1.  Those are comparable to FW1 and FW2 in that they are the first two scheduled shows after the surprise cancellation show (Vienna, like Noblesville).  

For Prague cancellation notice was sent the day before the show.  For AMS1 it was the day of the show.  

The only other data point I can recall is that when Sacramento was cancelled (surprise cancellation) Vegas went down with it in the same newsflash.  I think that was 2 days notice for Vegas but am not positive.

It is ultimately still guesswork to know what to do.  An update tomorrow would not be an unreasonable thing to hope for, not that I expect one. 

What’s a data point? 

Here ya go Bud

data point (noun) - 

1. An item of factual information derived from measurement or research. ....(Thanks RatherStarved)

incognitony

If Mike wasn't there, we would notice it on Black, Alive, and probably a few others. I'm sure the Jets won't miss Rodgers either.

GlowGirl

At the airport on my way to FW. Hoping for the best. 

Dr. Matt

incognitony said:

If Mike wasn't there, we would notice it on Black, Alive, and probably a few others. I'm sure the Jets won't miss Rodgers either.

If Mike wasn't there, the rest of the guys could have pulled off a 2 1/2 hour free-form jazz exploration...in front of a festival crowd.

Gern Blansten

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtvGR8UX1L0

cincybearcat

incognitony said:

If Mike wasn't there, we would notice it on Black, Alive, and probably a few others. I'm sure the Jets won't miss Rodgers either.

My first thought was this meant Eddie or Mike was sick cause while certainly not ideal, I thought Josh could fill in for the others and the band also already showed they would play with reinforcements.  

But who knows.  Doesn't matter I suppose.  Hope whoever it is gets well soon and the band can get back to the stage.  Such a great live experience and I want more.  

WhoAreWe

mcgruff10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Summersas79 said:

runstaples said:

Spurs14 said:

It's Pearl Jam, not Eddie Vedder and friends.  I want to see and hear Ed, Jeff, Stone, Mike, and Matt or I'd be massively disappointed.

Apologies to Boom and Josh.

I 3rd this. Eddie is great, but it's not the same without them all. Each person brings a unique fire and sound. I can't imagine someone covering for one of them, it wouldn't be Pearl Jam.

Yes it would... Ed IS PJ. You can take Ed out of PJ an he'll carry it wherever he goes. Any other guy an no... Nope. Uh-uh. They can't carry that weight individually, he can tho. 

Strong disagree here… as talented a performer as Ed is, there’s a reason I could take or leave his solo shows but will travel thousands of miles for Pearl Jam. I could take a stand in for Matt or Boom for a night, but it wouldn’t be Pearl Jam w/ out Mike running around like a squirrel on cocaine or Jeff & Stone locked in on their grooves. 

Would I have boycotted one of the St Paul shows if I knew Josh was filling for one of those three? Of course not… but I would have been disappointed about missing that musician, and in my mind there would be an asterisk next to that show. 

I think the vast majority of us wouldn't notice musically if any of the members minus ed wasn't playing a specific night.  

As someone who attended both Oakland shows, I agree, technically you’re correct -  Matt’s absence wasn’t noticed musically. But I’m no musician and wouldn’t really tell if a beat was off ever so slightly. 

What IS significantly different is the setlist and the lack of any real deep cuts or gems. There’s only so much a stand-in can learn in a short amount of time, and don’t get me wrong, those shows were pretty great but seeing what they do/can play when all the boys are there, specially with this new arrangement, it doesn’t even compare. 

We fly out in a few hours, fingers crossed all goes well. 🤞🏼

LukinFan

WhoAreWe said:

mcgruff10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Summersas79 said:

runstaples said:

Spurs14 said:

It's Pearl Jam, not Eddie Vedder and friends.  I want to see and hear Ed, Jeff, Stone, Mike, and Matt or I'd be massively disappointed.

Apologies to Boom and Josh.

I 3rd this. Eddie is great, but it's not the same without them all. Each person brings a unique fire and sound. I can't imagine someone covering for one of them, it wouldn't be Pearl Jam.

Yes it would... Ed IS PJ. You can take Ed out of PJ an he'll carry it wherever he goes. Any other guy an no... Nope. Uh-uh. They can't carry that weight individually, he can tho. 

Strong disagree here… as talented a performer as Ed is, there’s a reason I could take or leave his solo shows but will travel thousands of miles for Pearl Jam. I could take a stand in for Matt or Boom for a night, but it wouldn’t be Pearl Jam w/ out Mike running around like a squirrel on cocaine or Jeff & Stone locked in on their grooves. 

Would I have boycotted one of the St Paul shows if I knew Josh was filling for one of those three? Of course not… but I would have been disappointed about missing that musician, and in my mind there would be an asterisk next to that show. 

I think the vast majority of us wouldn't notice musically if any of the members minus ed wasn't playing a specific night.  

As someone who attended both Oakland shows, I agree, technically you’re correct -  Matt’s absence wasn’t noticed musically. But I’m no musician and wouldn’t really tell if a beat was off ever so slightly. 

What IS significantly different is the setlist and the lack of any real deep cuts or gems. There’s only so much a stand-in can learn in a short amount of time, and don’t get me wrong, those shows were pretty great but seeing what they do/can play when all the boys are there, specially with this new arrangement, it doesn’t even compare. 

We fly out in a few hours, fingers crossed all goes well. 🤞🏼

I didn't even think of the deep cuts of gems. Good call. There would definitely be a difference if any of the members was absent. 

Gern Blansten

LukinFan said:

WhoAreWe said:

mcgruff10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Summersas79 said:

runstaples said:

Spurs14 said:

It's Pearl Jam, not Eddie Vedder and friends.  I want to see and hear Ed, Jeff, Stone, Mike, and Matt or I'd be massively disappointed.

Apologies to Boom and Josh.

I 3rd this. Eddie is great, but it's not the same without them all. Each person brings a unique fire and sound. I can't imagine someone covering for one of them, it wouldn't be Pearl Jam.

Yes it would... Ed IS PJ. You can take Ed out of PJ an he'll carry it wherever he goes. Any other guy an no... Nope. Uh-uh. They can't carry that weight individually, he can tho. 

Strong disagree here… as talented a performer as Ed is, there’s a reason I could take or leave his solo shows but will travel thousands of miles for Pearl Jam. I could take a stand in for Matt or Boom for a night, but it wouldn’t be Pearl Jam w/ out Mike running around like a squirrel on cocaine or Jeff & Stone locked in on their grooves. 

Would I have boycotted one of the St Paul shows if I knew Josh was filling for one of those three? Of course not… but I would have been disappointed about missing that musician, and in my mind there would be an asterisk next to that show. 

I think the vast majority of us wouldn't notice musically if any of the members minus ed wasn't playing a specific night.  

As someone who attended both Oakland shows, I agree, technically you’re correct -  Matt’s absence wasn’t noticed musically. But I’m no musician and wouldn’t really tell if a beat was off ever so slightly. 

What IS significantly different is the setlist and the lack of any real deep cuts or gems. There’s only so much a stand-in can learn in a short amount of time, and don’t get me wrong, those shows were pretty great but seeing what they do/can play when all the boys are there, specially with this new arrangement, it doesn’t even compare. 

We fly out in a few hours, fingers crossed all goes well. 🤞🏼

I didn't even think of the deep cuts of gems. Good call. There would definitely be a difference if any of the members was absent. 

yeah and 10 repeats on Oak2....just 3 repeats in Chicago (Who ever, Evenflow, Alive)

tbergs

Save Who said:

kmcmanus said:

I think there’s a large number of people who would miss Mike more than Eddie

Well, maybe not more but just as much for sure.  My focal point is Mike most shows lol

Made me think, "On vocals tonight, Eddie Vedder, and to his right on focal point, Mike Mc-fucking-Cready! Watch and be amazed!"

tbergs

incognitony said:

If Mike wasn't there, we would notice it on Black, Alive, and probably a few others. I'm sure the Jets won't miss Rodgers either.

Ouch!

darwinstheory

covered in bliss said:

It's interesting to speculate. My guess is an imminent death in the family for someone & they had to say their goodbyes. 

Kind of my thought as well. That would explain the "obviously it is serious" and "the Texas shows are still planned as scheduled" comments in their release.

Kimmiebyrom

So I guess these FTW shows are still a go. Until we know for sure tomorrow afternoon 😂

Zod

WhoAreWe said:

mcgruff10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Summersas79 said:

runstaples said:

Spurs14 said:

It's Pearl Jam, not Eddie Vedder and friends.  I want to see and hear Ed, Jeff, Stone, Mike, and Matt or I'd be massively disappointed.

Apologies to Boom and Josh.

I 3rd this. Eddie is great, but it's not the same without them all. Each person brings a unique fire and sound. I can't imagine someone covering for one of them, it wouldn't be Pearl Jam.

Yes it would... Ed IS PJ. You can take Ed out of PJ an he'll carry it wherever he goes. Any other guy an no... Nope. Uh-uh. They can't carry that weight individually, he can tho. 

Strong disagree here… as talented a performer as Ed is, there’s a reason I could take or leave his solo shows but will travel thousands of miles for Pearl Jam. I could take a stand in for Matt or Boom for a night, but it wouldn’t be Pearl Jam w/ out Mike running around like a squirrel on cocaine or Jeff & Stone locked in on their grooves. 

Would I have boycotted one of the St Paul shows if I knew Josh was filling for one of those three? Of course not… but I would have been disappointed about missing that musician, and in my mind there would be an asterisk next to that show. 

I think the vast majority of us wouldn't notice musically if any of the members minus ed wasn't playing a specific night.  

As someone who attended both Oakland shows, I agree, technically you’re correct -  Matt’s absence wasn’t noticed musically. But I’m no musician and wouldn’t really tell if a beat was off ever so slightly. 

What IS significantly different is the setlist and the lack of any real deep cuts or gems. There’s only so much a stand-in can learn in a short amount of time, and don’t get me wrong, those shows were pretty great but seeing what they do/can play when all the boys are there, specially with this new arrangement, it doesn’t even compare. 

We fly out in a few hours, fingers crossed all goes well. 🤞🏼

That first show was on fire, because the band seemed to be having so much fun watching the fill in drummers, and overcoming adversity.  Probably the best greatest hits type set I've ever seen from PJ.

The the 2nd night they changed up the setlist, and seemed to struggle more.  The novelty wore off a bit I guess.   Still great shows, glad I went, and glad they made every effort not to cancel them.

In regards to the overall thread.  I sort of figured Josh is there to be a stand in something goes sideways, but they don't want to cancel shows.    Unless it was Eddie or maybe Mike.  Replacing Eddie's vocal's would be the hardest thing to do, and replacing mccready's solo's would be 2nd hardest.