I'm kinda pissed about this. I saw them in OKC in November '22. I bought tickets on the floor for $125/each through the 10C. When I got on to buy for this tour I got on right at 10am CST. I was number 700 in the queue. Most of hte best seats were already gone. There's no way, right? Not if we get first dibs as 10C members. And then those same tickets on the floor were for $800. So I looked closer on the side, and they were in the $600 range. My first depressed thought was THIS IS NOT PEARL JAM! Ticketmaster wins again.
I always like to trot out this gem whenever I get down about the ticket prices.
Yes! Same here. I have his tweets saved for anyone who wants to solely blame everything on TM and act like artists have no choice.
But how many tickets did The Cure secure for their fan club? it's not a one to one comparison. 10C got way more tickets for the fan club and the trade off was 10% platinum seats. Would you prefer less 10C seats?
Meh. Look at the cure tour. I’ll take that tour any day of the week.
But what’s the trade off? I thought it was to keep tickets low? How does having plat tickets help them secure more fan club tickets?
did you not read their original email? having 10% platinum helps offset the costs of having more fan club tickets. do you think giving Ticketmaster more tickets is going to keep prices lower? the more tickets the 10C gets the lesser you are going to pay...period. If 10C had limited amount of seats than almost all the tickets would be way more than $165 a ticket that the 10C is offering to us. No way with the demand of PJ shows would ticketmaster have tickets as low as $165. so the trade off of 10% platinum with more 10C tickets is a win for the fans in the 10 Club. It's not even an argument to me. it's the best solution for everyone to win in this situation if you really think about it.
As a fan base, would we be willing to take what they're selling for platinum, and average those costs amongst all the other seats? IE how much would the other tickets have to go up to offset the extra revenue from platinum. If it was $20 or something extra per ticket. I think I'd rather they ditch platinum and just charge a little more for all the other tickets. Especially with the negative impact it seems to have on 10c seat location.
Yes but that's a fantasy. you wouldn't get those seats without Premium because Ticketmaster wouldn't allow it. There is no way 10C could get like 14,000 seats if they didn't allow Ticketmaster to do Premium. The system blows but Ticketmaster holds the cards so you have to do the best you can working with them. I think getting way more 10C tickets with 10% Premium is a fair trade off and about the best a band can do (if they are only playing a limited number of shows). But even if PJ was going to play 30 or 40 shows Ticketmaster is still going to want to have Premium tickets. Unless the government breaks up Ticketmaster Premium tickets aren't going away.
and some people here complained about the tickets being like $165.00 so adding $20 per ticket is not going to make people happy.
Now that F2F is back up, even if you uncheck PJ Premium in your search, you'll see some re-listed impulse buys & "plans changed" Premium-priced tickets.
If you can justify the cost, knock yourself out. But just make sure you give yourself an extra second or two to look at the price.
I don't plan on paying more than $163 for ANY band right now, unless David Gilmour fired up the ol' Pink Floyd machine, or R.E.M. magically gets back together.
PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 &05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01& 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18& 09/19/23: Austin I & II, 05/16& 05/18/24: Las Vegas I & II, 08/29& 08/31/24: Wrigley Field I & II, 09/03& 09/04/24: MSG I & II, 09/27& 09/29/24: Ohana Festival I & II
EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival
Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Gremmie Out Of Control (BAM!), Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Whale Song (DOUBLE BAM!), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Amongst the Waves, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, Got to Give, and the Mamasan Trilogy.
Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08 ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!
Just thinking outloud here.... when do you think the premium prices will come down? I've been checking daily for N1 Forth Worth, and both in Austin. $900+ at the moment.
Are we thinking a month before? the week before?
I am mostly concerned about Dallas N1 and want to get tix to the show for sure!
---- November 5, 1993 - Indio, CA, Polo Fileds July 4, 1998 - Los Angeles, The Forum November 23, 2013 - Los Angeles, Sports Arena September 26, 2021 - Dana Point, Ohana Festival October 2, 2021 - Dana Point, Ohana Festival May 3, 2022 - San Diego, Aztex Bowl May 6 & 7, 2022- Los Angeles, The Forum May 16, 2022 - Fresno, Save Mart Center September 13 & 15, 2023 - FT. Worth, Dickies September 18 & 19, 2023 - Austin, Moody Center May 10, 2024 - Portland, Moda Center May 16, 2024 - Las Vegas, MGM Garden Arena May 21 & 22, 2024 - Los Angeles, Forum May 25, 2024 - Napa Valley, Bottlerock May 30, 2024 - Seattle, Climate Pledge Arena
Just thinking outloud here.... when do you think the premium prices will come down? I've been checking daily for N1 Forth Worth, and both in Austin. $900+ at the moment.
Are we thinking a month before? the week before?
I am mostly concerned about Dallas N1 and want to get tix to the show for sure!
If it's like last year, some will drop 1-3 days before show day. The rest will revert to normal price at a random time on day of show. Risky, but worth it!
I have a thread in the Given to Fly section of the forum tracking this very subject
PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 &05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01& 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18& 09/19/23: Austin I & II, 05/16& 05/18/24: Las Vegas I & II, 08/29& 08/31/24: Wrigley Field I & II, 09/03& 09/04/24: MSG I & II, 09/27& 09/29/24: Ohana Festival I & II
EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival
Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Gremmie Out Of Control (BAM!), Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Whale Song (DOUBLE BAM!), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Amongst the Waves, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, Got to Give, and the Mamasan Trilogy.
Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08 ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!
Just thinking outloud here.... when do you think the premium prices will come down? I've been checking daily for N1 Forth Worth, and both in Austin. $900+ at the moment.
Are we thinking a month before? the week before?
I am mostly concerned about Dallas N1 and want to get tix to the show for sure!
If it's like last year, some will drop 1-3 days before show day. The rest will revert to normal price at a random time on day of show. Risky, but worth it!
I have a thread in the Given to Fly section of the forum tracking this very subject
Oh my! Well I guess we just plan on going, book the flights and trust the process.
What is the name of the thread, I will start to follow it.
---- November 5, 1993 - Indio, CA, Polo Fileds July 4, 1998 - Los Angeles, The Forum November 23, 2013 - Los Angeles, Sports Arena September 26, 2021 - Dana Point, Ohana Festival October 2, 2021 - Dana Point, Ohana Festival May 3, 2022 - San Diego, Aztex Bowl May 6 & 7, 2022- Los Angeles, The Forum May 16, 2022 - Fresno, Save Mart Center September 13 & 15, 2023 - FT. Worth, Dickies September 18 & 19, 2023 - Austin, Moody Center May 10, 2024 - Portland, Moda Center May 16, 2024 - Las Vegas, MGM Garden Arena May 21 & 22, 2024 - Los Angeles, Forum May 25, 2024 - Napa Valley, Bottlerock May 30, 2024 - Seattle, Climate Pledge Arena
There’s a lot of good comments on this subject of premium seats. I get it, but I also see it from both sides on the one side the whole music industry is like a monopoly with live nation and Ticketmaster and such but on the other side, Pearl Jam was able to secure so many tickets for the fan club at below market prices, and I know a lot of people say 165 is expensive but they could easily sell those pit tickets GA tickets for 500 bucks apiece so on the other side of that Pearl Jam is leaving millions of dollars on the table if they just use dynamic pricing for the whole arena like so many other bands so if they got to let 10% go to premium but 90% is going at face value and the majority of that 90% is going to the fan club I think it’s just the way it’s gotta be I myself am extremely grateful that they are playing shows and getting so many tickets into the fan club. Like I said it might seem expensive, but 165 is a pretty good deal for Pearl Jam compared to other bands. I look at blink-182 tickets for Sacramento and good seats are going for 1000 bucks and the worst in the house is still going for 120 so 165 is a pretty good deal for a Pearl Jam in my opinion like I said, I believe they are leaving millions of dollars on the table for fan club members to get tickets and I think that’s pretty cool
Just thinking outloud here.... when do you think the premium prices will come down? I've been checking daily for N1 Forth Worth, and both in Austin. $900+ at the moment.
Are we thinking a month before? the week before?
I am mostly concerned about Dallas N1 and want to get tix to the show for sure!
If it's like last year, some will drop 1-3 days before show day. The rest will revert to normal price at a random time on day of show. Risky, but worth it!
I have a thread in the Given to Fly section of the forum tracking this very subject
Won’t the prices still adjust down gradually as the show draws closer as in like maybe a month out or no? Would assume if tickets don’t sell at $600-700, then $500 is a logical ask and so forth but not sure how TM manages that aspect behind the scenes.
Also, if I read correctly, does F2F typically get fairly busy/active in the week or so prior to the show?
Just thinking outloud here.... when do you think the premium prices will come down? I've been checking daily for N1 Forth Worth, and both in Austin. $900+ at the moment.
Are we thinking a month before? the week before?
I am mostly concerned about Dallas N1 and want to get tix to the show for sure!
If it's like last year, some will drop 1-3 days before show day. The rest will revert to normal price at a random time on day of show. Risky, but worth it!
I have a thread in the Given to Fly section of the forum tracking this very subject
Oh my! Well I guess we just plan on going, book the flights and trust the process.
What is the name of the thread, I will start to follow it.
If you're planning for Dallas (be it N1 or N2, or both), you're gonna want to watch the F2F thread here in The Porch, and look for fellow 10c members posting about tickets for Ft. Worth in the Given to Fly section ("FS/FT FTW N1, SEC XX, ROW XX" or GA, or Floor).
Hopefully, between now & September, you'll come across a fan who can't make it. Then you can set up a time of your choosing where they list them for sale, and you pounce on the tix via the Ticketmaster app.
If you're waiting for PJ Premium to drop down to regular price, that'll be the afore mentioned last minute change. Last year, that's what happened to the remaining unsold Premiums on the day of each show. Also, most venues have production holds from the band that are released on the day. Some on ticketmaster, some directly at the venue box office. So, there are a bunch of ways to get in without dropping $320 - $912 a ticket!
This message board & its threads are your best resource
PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 &05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01& 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18& 09/19/23: Austin I & II, 05/16& 05/18/24: Las Vegas I & II, 08/29& 08/31/24: Wrigley Field I & II, 09/03& 09/04/24: MSG I & II, 09/27& 09/29/24: Ohana Festival I & II
EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival
Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Gremmie Out Of Control (BAM!), Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Whale Song (DOUBLE BAM!), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Amongst the Waves, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, Got to Give, and the Mamasan Trilogy.
Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08 ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!
There’s a lot of good comments on this subject of premium seats. I get it, but I also see it from both sides on the one side the whole music industry is like a monopoly with live nation and Ticketmaster and such but on the other side, Pearl Jam was able to secure so many tickets for the fan club at below market prices, and I know a lot of people say 165 is expensive but they could easily sell those pit tickets GA tickets for 500 bucks apiece so on the other side of that Pearl Jam is leaving millions of dollars on the table if they just use dynamic pricing for the whole arena like so many other bands so if they got to let 10% go to premium but 90% is going at face value and the majority of that 90% is going to the fan club I think it’s just the way it’s gotta be I myself am extremely grateful that they are playing shows and getting so many tickets into the fan club. Like I said it might seem expensive, but 165 is a pretty good deal for Pearl Jam compared to other bands. I look at blink-182 tickets for Sacramento and good seats are going for 1000 bucks and the worst in the house is still going for 120 so 165 is a pretty good deal for a Pearl Jam in my opinion like I said, I believe they are leaving millions of dollars on the table for fan club members to get tickets and I think that’s pretty cool
Love the band. We all do. Love their philanthropic work, and the fact they stand up for their convictions while making some of the best music on the planet.
But I don't think any band deserves to be lauded for leaving money on the table. They're not hurting.
Each show will make a few million. Tickets, merch, parking, vending, and Club level/Premium experiences. The band will get paid, the crew will get paid, and all their families will be secure.
And that's just with regular priced tickets. I measure how much I want to see a band by the price Pearl Jam sets. At this juncture, I wouldn't pay more than $163 to see any artist (save for a magical reunion of legends who called it a day).
The band doesn't NEED PJ Premium. All that money is going to go to two places: Pearl Jam's LLC, or their philanthropic endeavors. And, while not a guarantee, the majority of fans buying Premium are pretty well off. And the band is more than happy to take that extra revenue & put it towards some good causes. And bless 'em for it.
But the flip side of that, is WE don't need PJ Premium either. We have this board. And all summer to fish around on F2F (when it's turned on). If you really want to find a way into one of these shows, you will. This board will help.
That's what I advocate for. There's no need to panic, and buy overpriced seats that some 40 or 50-something who just wants to hear the hits is willing to pay. As we speak, singles & pairs of those seats are getting bought. And hopefully that person gets their money's worth!
But if they can't make it to the show for whatever reason... hoo boy, are they gonna have a hard time moving those tickets. Because you CAN'T lower the price. The system won't let you.
And that lack of freedom & flexibility, is why I keep repeating myself:
don't buy Premium.
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PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 &05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01& 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18& 09/19/23: Austin I & II, 05/16& 05/18/24: Las Vegas I & II, 08/29& 08/31/24: Wrigley Field I & II, 09/03& 09/04/24: MSG I & II, 09/27& 09/29/24: Ohana Festival I & II
EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival
Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Gremmie Out Of Control (BAM!), Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Whale Song (DOUBLE BAM!), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Amongst the Waves, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, Got to Give, and the Mamasan Trilogy.
Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08 ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!
There’s a lot of good comments on this subject of premium seats. I get it, but I also see it from both sides on the one side the whole music industry is like a monopoly with live nation and Ticketmaster and such but on the other side, Pearl Jam was able to secure so many tickets for the fan club at below market prices, and I know a lot of people say 165 is expensive but they could easily sell those pit tickets GA tickets for 500 bucks apiece so on the other side of that Pearl Jam is leaving millions of dollars on the table if they just use dynamic pricing for the whole arena like so many other bands so if they got to let 10% go to premium but 90% is going at face value and the majority of that 90% is going to the fan club I think it’s just the way it’s gotta be I myself am extremely grateful that they are playing shows and getting so many tickets into the fan club. Like I said it might seem expensive, but 165 is a pretty good deal for Pearl Jam compared to other bands. I look at blink-182 tickets for Sacramento and good seats are going for 1000 bucks and the worst in the house is still going for 120 so 165 is a pretty good deal for a Pearl Jam in my opinion like I said, I believe they are leaving millions of dollars on the table for fan club members to get tickets and I think that’s pretty cool
Love the band. We all do. Love their philanthropic work, and the fact they stand up for their convictions while making some of the best music on the planet.
But I don't think any band deserves to be lauded for leaving money on the table. They're not hurting.
Each show will make a few million. Tickets, merch, parking, vending, and Club level/Premium experiences. The band will get paid, the crew will get paid, and all their families will be secure.
And that's just with regular priced tickets. I measure how much I want to see a band by the price Pearl Jam sets. At this juncture, I wouldn't pay more than $163 to see any artist (save for a magical reunion of legends who called it a day).
The band doesn't NEED PJ Premium. All that money is going to go to two places: Pearl Jam's LLC, or their philanthropic endeavors. And, while not a guarantee, the majority of fans buying Premium are pretty well off. And the band is more than happy to take that extra revenue & put it towards some good causes. And bless 'em for it.
But the flip side of that, is WE don't need PJ Premium either. We have this board. And all summer to fish around on F2F (when it's turned on). If you really want to find a way into one of these shows, you will. This board will help.
That's what I advocate for. There's no need to panic, and buy overpriced seats that some 40 or 50-something who just wants to hear the hits is willing to pay. As we speak, singles & pairs of those seats are getting bought. And hopefully that person gets their money's worth!
But if they can't make it to the show for whatever reason... hoo boy, are they gonna have a hard time moving those tickets. Because you CAN'T lower the price. The system won't let you.
And that lack of freedom & flexibility, is why I keep repeating myself:
don't buy Premium.
so let me ask you this question. What is the difference in a local fan paying $900.00 PJ Premium ticket and someone like me who is going to play close to $900.00 or more or travel, hotel, tickets and food and drink to attend a show on this tour? Still paying around the same price but you sure seem to have a problem with people paying that $900.00 for a ticket. At least some of that ticket price goes to PJ. Why do you care so much what other fans are willing to pay?
There’s a lot of good comments on this subject of premium seats. I get it, but I also see it from both sides on the one side the whole music industry is like a monopoly with live nation and Ticketmaster and such but on the other side, Pearl Jam was able to secure so many tickets for the fan club at below market prices, and I know a lot of people say 165 is expensive but they could easily sell those pit tickets GA tickets for 500 bucks apiece so on the other side of that Pearl Jam is leaving millions of dollars on the table if they just use dynamic pricing for the whole arena like so many other bands so if they got to let 10% go to premium but 90% is going at face value and the majority of that 90% is going to the fan club I think it’s just the way it’s gotta be I myself am extremely grateful that they are playing shows and getting so many tickets into the fan club. Like I said it might seem expensive, but 165 is a pretty good deal for Pearl Jam compared to other bands. I look at blink-182 tickets for Sacramento and good seats are going for 1000 bucks and the worst in the house is still going for 120 so 165 is a pretty good deal for a Pearl Jam in my opinion like I said, I believe they are leaving millions of dollars on the table for fan club members to get tickets and I think that’s pretty cool
Love the band. We all do. Love their philanthropic work, and the fact they stand up for their convictions while making some of the best music on the planet.
But I don't think any band deserves to be lauded for leaving money on the table. They're not hurting.
Each show will make a few million. Tickets, merch, parking, vending, and Club level/Premium experiences. The band will get paid, the crew will get paid, and all their families will be secure.
And that's just with regular priced tickets. I measure how much I want to see a band by the price Pearl Jam sets. At this juncture, I wouldn't pay more than $163 to see any artist (save for a magical reunion of legends who called it a day).
The band doesn't NEED PJ Premium. All that money is going to go to two places: Pearl Jam's LLC, or their philanthropic endeavors. And, while not a guarantee, the majority of fans buying Premium are pretty well off. And the band is more than happy to take that extra revenue & put it towards some good causes. And bless 'em for it.
But the flip side of that, is WE don't need PJ Premium either. We have this board. And all summer to fish around on F2F (when it's turned on). If you really want to find a way into one of these shows, you will. This board will help.
That's what I advocate for. There's no need to panic, and buy overpriced seats that some 40 or 50-something who just wants to hear the hits is willing to pay. As we speak, singles & pairs of those seats are getting bought. And hopefully that person gets their money's worth!
But if they can't make it to the show for whatever reason... hoo boy, are they gonna have a hard time moving those tickets. Because you CAN'T lower the price. The system won't let you.
And that lack of freedom & flexibility, is why I keep repeating myself:
don't buy Premium.
so let me ask you this question. What is the difference in a local fan paying $900.00 PJ Premium ticket and someone like me who is going to play close to $900.00 or more or travel, hotel, tickets and food and drink to attend a show on this tour? Still paying around the same price but you sure seem to have a problem with people paying that $900.00 for a ticket. At least some of that ticket price goes to PJ. Why do you care so much what other fans are willing to pay?
Because if something happens & you can't make the show, you have to pray to all that is holy that someone else will buy your $900 ticket.
That, or you give someone the ticket for free & throw them your TM log-in.
You can't lower the price as incentive. And many fans ate ticket costs last year because of it.
Its in both last year's F2F thread, my 2022 price tracking thread, and a few pissed off threads that were closed due to the subject already existing.
I care, because no one on this boards NEEDS to pay that much. There's a false sense of supply & demand going on here. And that creates an aura of panic where someone who really wants to go to a show is often presented with a scenario where either Premium is the only way in, or the only way to get good seats.
It's not.
TM is posting & pulling batches of seats on the regular, and I've already seen some Premiums drop in price. I check every day & take notes for my other thread.
And so far, the pattern is just like last year. Premiums slowly drop in price as we get closer to day of show. And by then, great seats are no longer marked up. The demand evens out in favor of the fan/consumer.
For right now, giving in to that sense of panic, with regular price already cutting it close to their budget, is not something I like seeing fellow fans go through. We're not all well off, here.
So I advocate for the most cost-efficient option to see our favorite band: this message board, and by proxy, F2F.
The band, and it's LLC, are not hurting. They'll be fine. They'll only stop when they don't feel like they have anything left to give.
I'm all about giving them their flowers!
They just don't have to be $900 flowers
PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 &05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01& 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18& 09/19/23: Austin I & II, 05/16& 05/18/24: Las Vegas I & II, 08/29& 08/31/24: Wrigley Field I & II, 09/03& 09/04/24: MSG I & II, 09/27& 09/29/24: Ohana Festival I & II
EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival
Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Gremmie Out Of Control (BAM!), Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Whale Song (DOUBLE BAM!), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Amongst the Waves, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, Got to Give, and the Mamasan Trilogy.
Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08 ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!
I'm kinda pissed about this. I saw them in OKC in November '22. I bought tickets on the floor for $125/each through the 10C. When I got on to buy for this tour I got on right at 10am CST. I was number 700 in the queue. Most of hte best seats were already gone. There's no way, right? Not if we get first dibs as 10C members. And then those same tickets on the floor were for $800. So I looked closer on the side, and they were in the $600 range. My first depressed thought was THIS IS NOT PEARL JAM! Ticketmaster wins again.
I always like to trot out this gem whenever I get down about the ticket prices.
Yes! Same here. I have his tweets saved for anyone who wants to solely blame everything on TM and act like artists have no choice.
But how many tickets did The Cure secure for their fan club? it's not a one to one comparison. 10C got way more tickets for the fan club and the trade off was 10% platinum seats. Would you prefer less 10C seats?
Meh. Look at the cure tour. I’ll take that tour any day of the week.
But what’s the trade off? I thought it was to keep tickets low? How does having plat tickets help them secure more fan club tickets?
did you not read their original email? having 10% platinum helps offset the costs of having more fan club tickets. do you think giving Ticketmaster more tickets is going to keep prices lower? the more tickets the 10C gets the lesser you are going to pay...period. If 10C had limited amount of seats than almost all the tickets would be way more than $165 a ticket that the 10C is offering to us. No way with the demand of PJ shows would ticketmaster have tickets as low as $165. so the trade off of 10% platinum with more 10C tickets is a win for the fans in the 10 Club. It's not even an argument to me. it's the best solution for everyone to win in this situation if you really think about it.
As a fan base, would we be willing to take what they're selling for platinum, and average those costs amongst all the other seats? IE how much would the other tickets have to go up to offset the extra revenue from platinum. If it was $20 or something extra per ticket. I think I'd rather they ditch platinum and just charge a little more for all the other tickets. Especially with the negative impact it seems to have on 10c seat location.
Yes but that's a fantasy. you wouldn't get those seats without Premium because Ticketmaster wouldn't allow it. There is no way 10C could get like 14,000 seats if they didn't allow Ticketmaster to do Premium. The system blows but Ticketmaster holds the cards so you have to do the best you can working with them. I think getting way more 10C tickets with 10% Premium is a fair trade off and about the best a band can do (if they are only playing a limited number of shows). But even if PJ was going to play 30 or 40 shows Ticketmaster is still going to want to have Premium tickets. Unless the government breaks up Ticketmaster Premium tickets aren't going away.
and some people here complained about the tickets being like $165.00 so adding $20 per ticket is not going to make people happy.
I think the premise that it's a worthwhile trade off to get 14,000 10c seats in exchange for Premium is shaky at best. Premium tickets aren't going away, but it is still the artist's choice to participate as the Robert Smith tweets confirm. A large swath of the 10c allocation consists of tickets that many members don't want. If the alternative is 5,000 10c seats in premium locations and no Premium pricing, I'd much prefer that. True, people wouldn't get their fifth and sixth choices in the lottery, but those aren't good tickets anyway unless you're a senior member. With a smaller allocation, each member would get 1-2 shows with pretty decent seats. That's what I recall from 2020. No premium pricing (except a few charity vitalogy tickets at MSG and B'more). I got one show in the lottery before securing good seats to other shows on F2F. If premium is offsetting costs of other tickets, bump up the remaining tickets and go to tiered prices. I got front row standard tickets for the Cure last week for $275 including fees. A few rows back is 175, uppers are 100 near the stage, less as you go back. And no Platinum tickets at all. There's a way to make the numbers work with prices still being reasonable. Although not every band has the clout to refuse TM's demands, PJ certainly does. A 10c member shouldn't get stuck with unsellable $160 nosebleeds, which I expect is going to happen in Minnesota.
There’s a lot of good comments on this subject of premium seats. I get it, but I also see it from both sides on the one side the whole music industry is like a monopoly with live nation and Ticketmaster and such but on the other side, Pearl Jam was able to secure so many tickets for the fan club at below market prices, and I know a lot of people say 165 is expensive but they could easily sell those pit tickets GA tickets for 500 bucks apiece so on the other side of that Pearl Jam is leaving millions of dollars on the table if they just use dynamic pricing for the whole arena like so many other bands so if they got to let 10% go to premium but 90% is going at face value and the majority of that 90% is going to the fan club I think it’s just the way it’s gotta be I myself am extremely grateful that they are playing shows and getting so many tickets into the fan club. Like I said it might seem expensive, but 165 is a pretty good deal for Pearl Jam compared to other bands. I look at blink-182 tickets for Sacramento and good seats are going for 1000 bucks and the worst in the house is still going for 120 so 165 is a pretty good deal for a Pearl Jam in my opinion like I said, I believe they are leaving millions of dollars on the table for fan club members to get tickets and I think that’s pretty cool
Love the band. We all do. Love their philanthropic work, and the fact they stand up for their convictions while making some of the best music on the planet.
But I don't think any band deserves to be lauded for leaving money on the table. They're not hurting.
Each show will make a few million. Tickets, merch, parking, vending, and Club level/Premium experiences. The band will get paid, the crew will get paid, and all their families will be secure.
And that's just with regular priced tickets. I measure how much I want to see a band by the price Pearl Jam sets. At this juncture, I wouldn't pay more than $163 to see any artist (save for a magical reunion of legends who called it a day).
The band doesn't NEED PJ Premium. All that money is going to go to two places: Pearl Jam's LLC, or their philanthropic endeavors. And, while not a guarantee, the majority of fans buying Premium are pretty well off. And the band is more than happy to take that extra revenue & put it towards some good causes. And bless 'em for it.
But the flip side of that, is WE don't need PJ Premium either. We have this board. And all summer to fish around on F2F (when it's turned on). If you really want to find a way into one of these shows, you will. This board will help.
That's what I advocate for. There's no need to panic, and buy overpriced seats that some 40 or 50-something who just wants to hear the hits is willing to pay. As we speak, singles & pairs of those seats are getting bought. And hopefully that person gets their money's worth!
But if they can't make it to the show for whatever reason... hoo boy, are they gonna have a hard time moving those tickets. Because you CAN'T lower the price. The system won't let you.
And that lack of freedom & flexibility, is why I keep repeating myself:
don't buy Premium.
There is an opportunity cost though. Spending all summer fishing around for tickets eats up time and mental energy that you could devote to other things. If you enjoy the chase (I do) and don't mind putting in the time, then there's certainly no need to waste your money on platinum. But if you said to me, "don't pay the dealer's premium pricing to fix your car next September, there's a wealth of online resources that can show you how to do it yourself for a fraction of the price if you spend all summer reading them," I'd call you crazy. This isn't that different.
I'm kinda pissed about this. I saw them in OKC in November '22. I bought tickets on the floor for $125/each through the 10C. When I got on to buy for this tour I got on right at 10am CST. I was number 700 in the queue. Most of hte best seats were already gone. There's no way, right? Not if we get first dibs as 10C members. And then those same tickets on the floor were for $800. So I looked closer on the side, and they were in the $600 range. My first depressed thought was THIS IS NOT PEARL JAM! Ticketmaster wins again.
I always like to trot out this gem whenever I get down about the ticket prices.
Yes! Same here. I have his tweets saved for anyone who wants to solely blame everything on TM and act like artists have no choice.
But how many tickets did The Cure secure for their fan club? it's not a one to one comparison. 10C got way more tickets for the fan club and the trade off was 10% platinum seats. Would you prefer less 10C seats?
Meh. Look at the cure tour. I’ll take that tour any day of the week.
But what’s the trade off? I thought it was to keep tickets low? How does having plat tickets help them secure more fan club tickets?
did you not read their original email? having 10% platinum helps offset the costs of having more fan club tickets. do you think giving Ticketmaster more tickets is going to keep prices lower? the more tickets the 10C gets the lesser you are going to pay...period. If 10C had limited amount of seats than almost all the tickets would be way more than $165 a ticket that the 10C is offering to us. No way with the demand of PJ shows would ticketmaster have tickets as low as $165. so the trade off of 10% platinum with more 10C tickets is a win for the fans in the 10 Club. It's not even an argument to me. it's the best solution for everyone to win in this situation if you really think about it.
As a fan base, would we be willing to take what they're selling for platinum, and average those costs amongst all the other seats? IE how much would the other tickets have to go up to offset the extra revenue from platinum. If it was $20 or something extra per ticket. I think I'd rather they ditch platinum and just charge a little more for all the other tickets. Especially with the negative impact it seems to have on 10c seat location.
Yes but that's a fantasy. you wouldn't get those seats without Premium because Ticketmaster wouldn't allow it. There is no way 10C could get like 14,000 seats if they didn't allow Ticketmaster to do Premium. The system blows but Ticketmaster holds the cards so you have to do the best you can working with them. I think getting way more 10C tickets with 10% Premium is a fair trade off and about the best a band can do (if they are only playing a limited number of shows). But even if PJ was going to play 30 or 40 shows Ticketmaster is still going to want to have Premium tickets. Unless the government breaks up Ticketmaster Premium tickets aren't going away.
and some people here complained about the tickets being like $165.00 so adding $20 per ticket is not going to make people happy.
I think the premise that it's a worthwhile trade off to get 14,000 10c seats in exchange for Premium is shaky at best. Premium tickets aren't going away, but it is still the artist's choice to participate as the Robert Smith tweets confirm. A large swath of the 10c allocation consists of tickets that many members don't want. If the alternative is 5,000 10c seats in premium locations and no Premium pricing, I'd much prefer that. True, people wouldn't get their fifth and sixth choices in the lottery, but those aren't good tickets anyway unless you're a senior member. With a smaller allocation, each member would get 1-2 shows with pretty decent seats. That's what I recall from 2020. No premium pricing (except a few charity vitalogy tickets at MSG and B'more). I got one show in the lottery before securing good seats to other shows on F2F. If premium is offsetting costs of other tickets, bump up the remaining tickets and go to tiered prices. I got front row standard tickets for the Cure last week for $275 including fees. A few rows back is 175, uppers are 100 near the stage, less as you go back. And no Platinum tickets at all. There's a way to make the numbers work with prices still being reasonable. Although not every band has the clout to refuse TM's demands, PJ certainly does. A 10c member shouldn't get stuck with unsellable $160 nosebleeds, which I expect is going to happen in Minnesota.
A prime example of why having 14,000 10c seats isn't a good thing.
Had they employed something like this at the United Center, I do believe there would be fewer disappointed people. The 300 level should have been its own option, much like rear stage was.
From Wrigley 2013:
Chicago ticket info: Due to the size of this baseball park, there will be 3 different ticket options. Prices vary. You may enter the drawing for as many ticket options as you like, but you can only be drawn for one pair of tickets to this show. Reserved seats will be assigned based on seniority.
GA Pit tickets: These are general admission standing tickets and are located on the floor immediately in front of the stage. The GA section is allocated for fan club members only; therefore there will not be a Ten Club early entry for this section.
Reserved Field/ Lower Bowl: Reserved seating on the field and lower bowl.
Reserved Upper Box: Reserved seating in the upper box, lower ticket price.
There’s a lot of good comments on this subject of premium seats. I get it, but I also see it from both sides on the one side the whole music industry is like a monopoly with live nation and Ticketmaster and such but on the other side, Pearl Jam was able to secure so many tickets for the fan club at below market prices, and I know a lot of people say 165 is expensive but they could easily sell those pit tickets GA tickets for 500 bucks apiece so on the other side of that Pearl Jam is leaving millions of dollars on the table if they just use dynamic pricing for the whole arena like so many other bands so if they got to let 10% go to premium but 90% is going at face value and the majority of that 90% is going to the fan club I think it’s just the way it’s gotta be I myself am extremely grateful that they are playing shows and getting so many tickets into the fan club. Like I said it might seem expensive, but 165 is a pretty good deal for Pearl Jam compared to other bands. I look at blink-182 tickets for Sacramento and good seats are going for 1000 bucks and the worst in the house is still going for 120 so 165 is a pretty good deal for a Pearl Jam in my opinion like I said, I believe they are leaving millions of dollars on the table for fan club members to get tickets and I think that’s pretty cool
Love the band. We all do. Love their philanthropic work, and the fact they stand up for their convictions while making some of the best music on the planet.
But I don't think any band deserves to be lauded for leaving money on the table. They're not hurting.
Each show will make a few million. Tickets, merch, parking, vending, and Club level/Premium experiences. The band will get paid, the crew will get paid, and all their families will be secure.
And that's just with regular priced tickets. I measure how much I want to see a band by the price Pearl Jam sets. At this juncture, I wouldn't pay more than $163 to see any artist (save for a magical reunion of legends who called it a day).
The band doesn't NEED PJ Premium. All that money is going to go to two places: Pearl Jam's LLC, or their philanthropic endeavors. And, while not a guarantee, the majority of fans buying Premium are pretty well off. And the band is more than happy to take that extra revenue & put it towards some good causes. And bless 'em for it.
But the flip side of that, is WE don't need PJ Premium either. We have this board. And all summer to fish around on F2F (when it's turned on). If you really want to find a way into one of these shows, you will. This board will help.
That's what I advocate for. There's no need to panic, and buy overpriced seats that some 40 or 50-something who just wants to hear the hits is willing to pay. As we speak, singles & pairs of those seats are getting bought. And hopefully that person gets their money's worth!
But if they can't make it to the show for whatever reason... hoo boy, are they gonna have a hard time moving those tickets. Because you CAN'T lower the price. The system won't let you.
And that lack of freedom & flexibility, is why I keep repeating myself:
don't buy Premium.
There is an opportunity cost though. Spending all summer fishing around for tickets eats up time and mental energy that you could devote to other things. If you enjoy the chase (I do) and don't mind putting in the time, then there's certainly no need to waste your money on platinum. But if you said to me, "don't pay the dealer's premium pricing to fix your car next September, there's a wealth of online resources that can show you how to do it yourself for a fraction of the price if you spend all summer reading them," I'd call you crazy. This isn't that different.
You remain a solid voice in this conversation, good sir. I'm already somewhat burnt out😴
Yet, like you, I enjoy the hunt😅
Side note: I haven't been to a dealer since my last free car wash circa 2011, lol. I'm still driving the same beat up Ford SUV by choice.
I could've afforded a few years of car payments to get something new-er (honestly, I'm waiting for the right electric option that's not a Tesla), but my car still runs good.
The thrill of the chase continues
PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 &05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01& 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18& 09/19/23: Austin I & II, 05/16& 05/18/24: Las Vegas I & II, 08/29& 08/31/24: Wrigley Field I & II, 09/03& 09/04/24: MSG I & II, 09/27& 09/29/24: Ohana Festival I & II
EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival
Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Gremmie Out Of Control (BAM!), Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Whale Song (DOUBLE BAM!), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Amongst the Waves, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, Got to Give, and the Mamasan Trilogy.
Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08 ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!
Had they employed something like this at the United Center, I do believe there would be fewer disappointed people. The 300 level should have been its own option, much like rear stage was.
From Wrigley 2013:
Chicago ticket info: Due to the size of this baseball park, there will be 3 different ticket options. Prices vary. You may enter the drawing for as many ticket options as you like, but you can only be drawn for one pair of tickets to this show. Reserved seats will be assigned based on seniority.
GA Pit tickets: These are general admission standing tickets and are located on the floor immediately in front of the stage. The GA section is allocated for fan club members only; therefore there will not be a Ten Club early entry for this section.
Reserved Field/ Lower Bowl: Reserved seating on the field and lower bowl.
Reserved Upper Box: Reserved seating in the upper box, lower ticket price.
You would be correct.
I would've been fine with the following for United Center:
$249 - GA $219 - front & aisle Floors $199 - all other Floors, Mike & Stone side 100's $179 - all other stage facing 100's $165 - rear & side lower 100's, 1st 3 rows of 200's - - all 10c eligible - - $149 - all other stage facing 200's, 1st 3 rows of 300's $129 - all other stage facing 300's $99 - rear & side 300's (at $165, the Chicago shows will not sell out unless they block off the remainder of these seats)
No need for Premium at all. The ONLY upside to Premium/dynamic pricing, is all the unsold seats will revert to $163 on day of show, as opposed to the prices I gamed out above.
I mentioned earlier that PJ determines how much I pay for ANY concert. If I could get guaranteed GA or Floors for $220-$250 a ticket, I'd move my mark.
Until then, $165 it is (barring a Pink Floyd sans Roger tour, R.E.M., or a Nirvana/Foo Fighters tour with guest vocalists & drummers)
PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 &05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01& 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18& 09/19/23: Austin I & II, 05/16& 05/18/24: Las Vegas I & II, 08/29& 08/31/24: Wrigley Field I & II, 09/03& 09/04/24: MSG I & II, 09/27& 09/29/24: Ohana Festival I & II
EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival
Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Gremmie Out Of Control (BAM!), Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Whale Song (DOUBLE BAM!), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Amongst the Waves, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, Got to Give, and the Mamasan Trilogy.
Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08 ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!
There’s a lot of good comments on this subject of premium seats. I get it, but I also see it from both sides on the one side the whole music industry is like a monopoly with live nation and Ticketmaster and such but on the other side, Pearl Jam was able to secure so many tickets for the fan club at below market prices, and I know a lot of people say 165 is expensive but they could easily sell those pit tickets GA tickets for 500 bucks apiece so on the other side of that Pearl Jam is leaving millions of dollars on the table if they just use dynamic pricing for the whole arena like so many other bands so if they got to let 10% go to premium but 90% is going at face value and the majority of that 90% is going to the fan club I think it’s just the way it’s gotta be I myself am extremely grateful that they are playing shows and getting so many tickets into the fan club. Like I said it might seem expensive, but 165 is a pretty good deal for Pearl Jam compared to other bands. I look at blink-182 tickets for Sacramento and good seats are going for 1000 bucks and the worst in the house is still going for 120 so 165 is a pretty good deal for a Pearl Jam in my opinion like I said, I believe they are leaving millions of dollars on the table for fan club members to get tickets and I think that’s pretty cool
Love the band. We all do. Love their philanthropic work, and the fact they stand up for their convictions while making some of the best music on the planet.
But I don't think any band deserves to be lauded for leaving money on the table. They're not hurting.
Each show will make a few million. Tickets, merch, parking, vending, and Club level/Premium experiences. The band will get paid, the crew will get paid, and all their families will be secure.
And that's just with regular priced tickets. I measure how much I want to see a band by the price Pearl Jam sets. At this juncture, I wouldn't pay more than $163 to see any artist (save for a magical reunion of legends who called it a day).
The band doesn't NEED PJ Premium. All that money is going to go to two places: Pearl Jam's LLC, or their philanthropic endeavors. And, while not a guarantee, the majority of fans buying Premium are pretty well off. And the band is more than happy to take that extra revenue & put it towards some good causes. And bless 'em for it.
But the flip side of that, is WE don't need PJ Premium either. We have this board. And all summer to fish around on F2F (when it's turned on). If you really want to find a way into one of these shows, you will. This board will help.
That's what I advocate for. There's no need to panic, and buy overpriced seats that some 40 or 50-something who just wants to hear the hits is willing to pay. As we speak, singles & pairs of those seats are getting bought. And hopefully that person gets their money's worth!
But if they can't make it to the show for whatever reason... hoo boy, are they gonna have a hard time moving those tickets. Because you CAN'T lower the price. The system won't let you.
And that lack of freedom & flexibility, is why I keep repeating myself:
don't buy Premium.
There is an opportunity cost though. Spending all summer fishing around for tickets eats up time and mental energy that you could devote to other things. If you enjoy the chase (I do) and don't mind putting in the time, then there's certainly no need to waste your money on platinum. But if you said to me, "don't pay the dealer's premium pricing to fix your car next September, there's a wealth of online resources that can show you how to do it yourself for a fraction of the price if you spend all summer reading them," I'd call you crazy. This isn't that different.
You remain a solid voice in this conversation, good sir. I'm already somewhat burnt out😴
Yet, like you, I enjoy the hunt😅
Side note: I haven't been to a dealer since my last free car wash circa 2011, lol. I'm still driving the same beat up Ford SUV by choice.
I could've afforded a few years of car payments to get something new-er (honestly, I'm waiting for the right electric option that's not a Tesla), but my car still runs good.
The thrill of the chase continues
My 2001 Nissan with manual transmission still gets me around
My 2001 Nissan with manual transmission still gets me around
2007 Ford! And LBR, 2001-02 Nissan Altimas are the Wolverine of sedans. Nearly unstoppable, stunning healing factor.
PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 &05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01& 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18& 09/19/23: Austin I & II, 05/16& 05/18/24: Las Vegas I & II, 08/29& 08/31/24: Wrigley Field I & II, 09/03& 09/04/24: MSG I & II, 09/27& 09/29/24: Ohana Festival I & II
EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival
Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Gremmie Out Of Control (BAM!), Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Whale Song (DOUBLE BAM!), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Amongst the Waves, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, Got to Give, and the Mamasan Trilogy.
Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08 ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!
I can’t believe people are advocating for less 10 Club tickets. That’s just stupid. They are the same people who bitch ( rightfully so) about Ticketmaster but want to give more tickets to Ticketmaster and take out of the 10 Club allotment, seriously people?
There’s a lot of good comments on this subject of premium seats. I get it, but I also see it from both sides on the one side the whole music industry is like a monopoly with live nation and Ticketmaster and such but on the other side, Pearl Jam was able to secure so many tickets for the fan club at below market prices, and I know a lot of people say 165 is expensive but they could easily sell those pit tickets GA tickets for 500 bucks apiece so on the other side of that Pearl Jam is leaving millions of dollars on the table if they just use dynamic pricing for the whole arena like so many other bands so if they got to let 10% go to premium but 90% is going at face value and the majority of that 90% is going to the fan club I think it’s just the way it’s gotta be I myself am extremely grateful that they are playing shows and getting so many tickets into the fan club. Like I said it might seem expensive, but 165 is a pretty good deal for Pearl Jam compared to other bands. I look at blink-182 tickets for Sacramento and good seats are going for 1000 bucks and the worst in the house is still going for 120 so 165 is a pretty good deal for a Pearl Jam in my opinion like I said, I believe they are leaving millions of dollars on the table for fan club members to get tickets and I think that’s pretty cool
Love the band. We all do. Love their philanthropic work, and the fact they stand up for their convictions while making some of the best music on the planet.
But I don't think any band deserves to be lauded for leaving money on the table. They're not hurting.
Each show will make a few million. Tickets, merch, parking, vending, and Club level/Premium experiences. The band will get paid, the crew will get paid, and all their families will be secure.
And that's just with regular priced tickets. I measure how much I want to see a band by the price Pearl Jam sets. At this juncture, I wouldn't pay more than $163 to see any artist (save for a magical reunion of legends who called it a day).
The band doesn't NEED PJ Premium. All that money is going to go to two places: Pearl Jam's LLC, or their philanthropic endeavors. And, while not a guarantee, the majority of fans buying Premium are pretty well off. And the band is more than happy to take that extra revenue & put it towards some good causes. And bless 'em for it.
But the flip side of that, is WE don't need PJ Premium either. We have this board. And all summer to fish around on F2F (when it's turned on). If you really want to find a way into one of these shows, you will. This board will help.
That's what I advocate for. There's no need to panic, and buy overpriced seats that some 40 or 50-something who just wants to hear the hits is willing to pay. As we speak, singles & pairs of those seats are getting bought. And hopefully that person gets their money's worth!
But if they can't make it to the show for whatever reason... hoo boy, are they gonna have a hard time moving those tickets. Because you CAN'T lower the price. The system won't let you.
And that lack of freedom & flexibility, is why I keep repeating myself:
don't buy Premium.
There is an opportunity cost though. Spending all summer fishing around for tickets eats up time and mental energy that you could devote to other things. If you enjoy the chase (I do) and don't mind putting in the time, then there's certainly no need to waste your money on platinum. But if you said to me, "don't pay the dealer's premium pricing to fix your car next September, there's a wealth of online resources that can show you how to do it yourself for a fraction of the price if you spend all summer reading them," I'd call you crazy. This isn't that different.
You remain a solid voice in this conversation, good sir. I'm already somewhat burnt out😴
Yet, like you, I enjoy the hunt😅
Side note: I haven't been to a dealer since my last free car wash circa 2011, lol. I'm still driving the same beat up Ford SUV by choice.
I could've afforded a few years of car payments to get something new-er (honestly, I'm waiting for the right electric option that's not a Tesla), but my car still runs good.
The thrill of the chase continues
I'm jealous of those that enjoy "the chase". I fucking hate it. In the 3 total days F2F has been open, I've had tickets in my cart 11 times with no luck. The last time, was a set drop from a very nice 10C member and I missed out because I apparently refreshed too many times waiting for them and now I'm suspended because TM thinks I'm a bot. I'm happy you enjoy these things, but I sure as fuck don't.
KC 2010 Lincoln 2014 New York 2016 Seattle 2018 St Louis 2022 Austin 2023 EV@ Innings Festival Arizona 2023 Lisbon 2024
I can’t believe people are advocating for less 10 Club tickets. That’s just stupid. They are the same people who bitch ( rightfully so) about Ticketmaster but want to give more tickets to Ticketmaster and take out of the 10 Club allotment, seriously people?
Calling it stupid doesn't mean it is stupid. Reducing the tickets allocated to the 10C doesn't give more tickets to Ticketmaster. Ticketmaster isn't attending the show and doesn't own the tickets. It distributes the tickets for a fee. Reducing the 10C allotment merely reallocates more tickets to the verified fan sale and public sale. Apparently, the verified fan sale was a joke because only Premiums were available. Taking the batch of 300-level seats that went to the 10C lottery that most 10C members apparently didn't want and making them available to people in the verified fan sale who might want them isn't stupid at all. It's far more stupid to be assigned a 300-level seat that you don't want and don't have an opportunity to reject while also having to see the actual good seats being sold at Premium prices. If the nosebleeds don't sell in the verified and general sale when people have a chance to pick or reject specific seats, that's a pretty good indication that they're overpriced.
Yeah, I don’t get the endless bitching about the 10 club and what they do when they really don’t have to do anything the 10 club is very protective and loyal to members who have been in the club for a long time that’s just a fact my number is 266. I’m in the middle of the pack. I am never moving any closer because nobody with a higher number than me if they haven’t quit by now they’re not gonna quit. It is what it is before the tour clearly stated 10% of the tickets are going to premium, and that 10 club seats are going to be pushed further back into the upper levels of the Arenas if you’ve got a really high number you’re never gonna get good seats ever again it’s just a fact unless you win the GA tickets which you still can I’m spending thousands of dollars on airline tickets and hotel for us to come to the Austin shows so premium does serve a purpose for fans that can afford it one more time they said what they were going to do before they did it nobody should’ve been surprised and I’ve said it in other post Pearl Jam is leaving millions of dollars on the table on this tour they could very easily charge higher prices for all tickets if they wanted to
I am 4-0 today in the F2F. But I refuse to buy premium so I will just keep hitting refresh and trying to that FW N1 show!
---- November 5, 1993 - Indio, CA, Polo Fileds July 4, 1998 - Los Angeles, The Forum November 23, 2013 - Los Angeles, Sports Arena September 26, 2021 - Dana Point, Ohana Festival October 2, 2021 - Dana Point, Ohana Festival May 3, 2022 - San Diego, Aztex Bowl May 6 & 7, 2022- Los Angeles, The Forum May 16, 2022 - Fresno, Save Mart Center September 13 & 15, 2023 - FT. Worth, Dickies September 18 & 19, 2023 - Austin, Moody Center May 10, 2024 - Portland, Moda Center May 16, 2024 - Las Vegas, MGM Garden Arena May 21 & 22, 2024 - Los Angeles, Forum May 25, 2024 - Napa Valley, Bottlerock May 30, 2024 - Seattle, Climate Pledge Arena
There’s a lot of good comments on this subject of premium seats. I get it, but I also see it from both sides on the one side the whole music industry is like a monopoly with live nation and Ticketmaster and such but on the other side, Pearl Jam was able to secure so many tickets for the fan club at below market prices, and I know a lot of people say 165 is expensive but they could easily sell those pit tickets GA tickets for 500 bucks apiece so on the other side of that Pearl Jam is leaving millions of dollars on the table if they just use dynamic pricing for the whole arena like so many other bands so if they got to let 10% go to premium but 90% is going at face value and the majority of that 90% is going to the fan club I think it’s just the way it’s gotta be I myself am extremely grateful that they are playing shows and getting so many tickets into the fan club. Like I said it might seem expensive, but 165 is a pretty good deal for Pearl Jam compared to other bands. I look at blink-182 tickets for Sacramento and good seats are going for 1000 bucks and the worst in the house is still going for 120 so 165 is a pretty good deal for a Pearl Jam in my opinion like I said, I believe they are leaving millions of dollars on the table for fan club members to get tickets and I think that’s pretty cool
Love the band. We all do. Love their philanthropic work, and the fact they stand up for their convictions while making some of the best music on the planet.
But I don't think any band deserves to be lauded for leaving money on the table. They're not hurting.
Each show will make a few million. Tickets, merch, parking, vending, and Club level/Premium experiences. The band will get paid, the crew will get paid, and all their families will be secure.
And that's just with regular priced tickets. I measure how much I want to see a band by the price Pearl Jam sets. At this juncture, I wouldn't pay more than $163 to see any artist (save for a magical reunion of legends who called it a day).
The band doesn't NEED PJ Premium. All that money is going to go to two places: Pearl Jam's LLC, or their philanthropic endeavors. And, while not a guarantee, the majority of fans buying Premium are pretty well off. And the band is more than happy to take that extra revenue & put it towards some good causes. And bless 'em for it.
But the flip side of that, is WE don't need PJ Premium either. We have this board. And all summer to fish around on F2F (when it's turned on). If you really want to find a way into one of these shows, you will. This board will help.
That's what I advocate for. There's no need to panic, and buy overpriced seats that some 40 or 50-something who just wants to hear the hits is willing to pay. As we speak, singles & pairs of those seats are getting bought. And hopefully that person gets their money's worth!
But if they can't make it to the show for whatever reason... hoo boy, are they gonna have a hard time moving those tickets. Because you CAN'T lower the price. The system won't let you.
And that lack of freedom & flexibility, is why I keep repeating myself:
don't buy Premium.
There is an opportunity cost though. Spending all summer fishing around for tickets eats up time and mental energy that you could devote to other things. If you enjoy the chase (I do) and don't mind putting in the time, then there's certainly no need to waste your money on platinum. But if you said to me, "don't pay the dealer's premium pricing to fix your car next September, there's a wealth of online resources that can show you how to do it yourself for a fraction of the price if you spend all summer reading them," I'd call you crazy. This isn't that different.
You remain a solid voice in this conversation, good sir. I'm already somewhat burnt out😴
Yet, like you, I enjoy the hunt😅
Side note: I haven't been to a dealer since my last free car wash circa 2011, lol. I'm still driving the same beat up Ford SUV by choice.
I could've afforded a few years of car payments to get something new-er (honestly, I'm waiting for the right electric option that's not a Tesla), but my car still runs good.
The thrill of the chase continues
I'm jealous of those that enjoy "the chase". I fucking hate it. In the 3 total days F2F has been open, I've had tickets in my cart 11 times with no luck. The last time, was a set drop from a very nice 10C member and I missed out because I apparently refreshed too many times waiting for them and now I'm suspended because TM thinks I'm a bot. I'm happy you enjoy these things, but I sure as fuck don't.
Before the 2020 tour got postponed I spent a lot of calories trying to get GA tix for Oakland. I got there, but so many calories spent. Almost to the point it got addictive. Of course by the time the show happened in 2022, that was mostly forgotten and I had a great time
The whole f2f throws a wrench into things. It mostly makes tickets disposable. Don't like 'em throw them back in the pot (which isn't great for the 10c'ers that actually want to use the tickets they win). The second is that your never out, if you spent copious amounts of time looking and refreshing you can keep upgrade and get to better seats. The 3rd is that technically you don't need to be a 10c'er anymore. You can just spend the copious amounts of time to pick up tickets other 10c'ers discard
PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 &05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01& 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18& 09/19/23: Austin I & II, 05/16& 05/18/24: Las Vegas I & II, 08/29& 08/31/24: Wrigley Field I & II, 09/03& 09/04/24: MSG I & II, 09/27& 09/29/24: Ohana Festival I & II
EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival
Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Gremmie Out Of Control (BAM!), Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Whale Song (DOUBLE BAM!), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Amongst the Waves, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, Got to Give, and the Mamasan Trilogy.
Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08 ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!
Still looking to upgrade my 303 and 314 seats. I think I am stuck where I am. There is no way with equal drops and Premium seating!
Alpine Valley Music Theatre East Troy, Wisconsin (September 03, 2011); Alpine Valley Music Theatre East Troy, Wisconsin (September 04, 2011); Deluna Fest Pensacola, FL (September 21, 2012); Wrigley Field (July 19, 2013); Milwaukee, WI (October 20, 2014); Wrigley Field I (August 20, 2016); Wrigley Field II (August 22, 2016); Home Shows Seattle Night 1 (August 08, 2018), Home Shows Seattle Night 2 (August 10, 2018), Apollo Theater (September 10, 2022), Madison Square Garden (September 11, 2022), Bourbon & Beyond Louisville (September 17th, 2022).
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and some people here complained about the tickets being like $165.00 so adding $20 per ticket is not going to make people happy.
Now that F2F is back up, even if you uncheck PJ Premium in your search, you'll see some re-listed impulse buys & "plans changed" Premium-priced tickets.
If you can justify the cost, knock yourself out. But just make sure you give yourself an extra second or two to look at the price.
I don't plan on paying more than $163 for ANY band right now, unless David Gilmour fired up the ol' Pink Floyd machine, or R.E.M. magically gets back together.
Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Gremmie Out Of Control (BAM!), Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Whale Song (DOUBLE BAM!), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Amongst the Waves, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, Got to Give, and the Mamasan Trilogy.
Just thinking outloud here.... when do you think the premium prices will come down? I've been checking daily for N1 Forth Worth, and both in Austin. $900+ at the moment.
Are we thinking a month before? the week before?
I am mostly concerned about Dallas N1 and want to get tix to the show for sure!
November 5, 1993 - Indio, CA, Polo Fileds
July 4, 1998 - Los Angeles, The Forum
November 23, 2013 - Los Angeles, Sports Arena
September 26, 2021 - Dana Point, Ohana Festival
October 2, 2021 - Dana Point, Ohana Festival
May 3, 2022 - San Diego, Aztex Bowl
May 6 & 7, 2022- Los Angeles, The Forum
May 16, 2022 - Fresno, Save Mart Center
September 13 & 15, 2023 - FT. Worth, Dickies
September 18 & 19, 2023 - Austin, Moody Center
May 10, 2024 - Portland, Moda Center
May 16, 2024 - Las Vegas, MGM Garden Arena
May 21 & 22, 2024 - Los Angeles, Forum
May 25, 2024 - Napa Valley, Bottlerock
May 30, 2024 - Seattle, Climate Pledge Arena
I have a thread in the Given to Fly section of the forum tracking this very subject
Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Gremmie Out Of Control (BAM!), Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Whale Song (DOUBLE BAM!), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Amongst the Waves, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, Got to Give, and the Mamasan Trilogy.
What is the name of the thread, I will start to follow it.
November 5, 1993 - Indio, CA, Polo Fileds
July 4, 1998 - Los Angeles, The Forum
November 23, 2013 - Los Angeles, Sports Arena
September 26, 2021 - Dana Point, Ohana Festival
October 2, 2021 - Dana Point, Ohana Festival
May 3, 2022 - San Diego, Aztex Bowl
May 6 & 7, 2022- Los Angeles, The Forum
May 16, 2022 - Fresno, Save Mart Center
September 13 & 15, 2023 - FT. Worth, Dickies
September 18 & 19, 2023 - Austin, Moody Center
May 10, 2024 - Portland, Moda Center
May 16, 2024 - Las Vegas, MGM Garden Arena
May 21 & 22, 2024 - Los Angeles, Forum
May 25, 2024 - Napa Valley, Bottlerock
May 30, 2024 - Seattle, Climate Pledge Arena
Also, if I read correctly, does F2F typically get fairly busy/active in the week or so prior to the show?
https://community.pearljam.com/discussion/297747/on-the-road-again-2023-gigaton-tour-aka-gig-a-little-bit-regular-ticket-price-tracking-thread#latest
If you're planning for Dallas (be it N1 or N2, or both), you're gonna want to watch the F2F thread here in The Porch, and look for fellow 10c members posting about tickets for Ft. Worth in the Given to Fly section ("FS/FT FTW N1, SEC XX, ROW XX" or GA, or Floor).
Hopefully, between now & September, you'll come across a fan who can't make it. Then you can set up a time of your choosing where they list them for sale, and you pounce on the tix via the Ticketmaster app.
If you're waiting for PJ Premium to drop down to regular price, that'll be the afore mentioned last minute change. Last year, that's what happened to the remaining unsold Premiums on the day of each show.
Also, most venues have production holds from the band that are released on the day. Some on ticketmaster, some directly at the venue box office. So, there are a bunch of ways to get in without dropping $320 - $912 a ticket!
This message board & its threads are your best resource
Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Gremmie Out Of Control (BAM!), Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Whale Song (DOUBLE BAM!), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Amongst the Waves, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, Got to Give, and the Mamasan Trilogy.
But I don't think any band deserves to be lauded for leaving money on the table. They're not hurting.
Each show will make a few million. Tickets, merch, parking, vending, and Club level/Premium experiences. The band will get paid, the crew will get paid, and all their families will be secure.
And that's just with regular priced tickets. I measure how much I want to see a band by the price Pearl Jam sets. At this juncture, I wouldn't pay more than $163 to see any artist (save for a magical reunion of legends who called it a day).
The band doesn't NEED PJ Premium. All that money is going to go to two places: Pearl Jam's LLC, or their philanthropic endeavors. And, while not a guarantee, the majority of fans buying Premium are pretty well off. And the band is more than happy to take that extra revenue & put it towards some good causes. And bless 'em for it.
But the flip side of that, is WE don't need PJ Premium either. We have this board. And all summer to fish around on F2F (when it's turned on). If you really want to find a way into one of these shows, you will. This board will help.
That's what I advocate for. There's no need to panic, and buy overpriced seats that some 40 or 50-something who just wants to hear the hits is willing to pay. As we speak, singles & pairs of those seats are getting bought. And hopefully that person gets their money's worth!
But if they can't make it to the show for whatever reason... hoo boy, are they gonna have a hard time moving those tickets. Because you CAN'T lower the price. The system won't let you.
And that lack of freedom & flexibility, is why I keep repeating myself:
don't buy Premium.
Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Gremmie Out Of Control (BAM!), Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Whale Song (DOUBLE BAM!), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Amongst the Waves, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, Got to Give, and the Mamasan Trilogy.
That, or you give someone the ticket for free & throw them your TM log-in.
You can't lower the price as incentive. And many fans ate ticket costs last year because of it.
Its in both last year's F2F thread, my 2022 price tracking thread, and a few pissed off threads that were closed due to the subject already existing.
I care, because no one on this boards NEEDS to pay that much. There's a false sense of supply & demand going on here. And that creates an aura of panic where someone who really wants to go to a show is often presented with a scenario where either Premium is the only way in, or the only way to get good seats.
It's not.
TM is posting & pulling batches of seats on the regular, and I've already seen some Premiums drop in price. I check every day & take notes for my other thread.
And so far, the pattern is just like last year. Premiums slowly drop in price as we get closer to day of show. And by then, great seats are no longer marked up. The demand evens out in favor of the fan/consumer.
For right now, giving in to that sense of panic, with regular price already cutting it close to their budget, is not something I like seeing fellow fans go through. We're not all well off, here.
So I advocate for the most cost-efficient option to see our favorite band: this message board, and by proxy, F2F.
The band, and it's LLC, are not hurting. They'll be fine. They'll only stop when they don't feel like they have anything left to give.
I'm all about giving them their flowers!
They just don't have to be $900 flowers
Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Gremmie Out Of Control (BAM!), Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Whale Song (DOUBLE BAM!), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Amongst the Waves, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, Got to Give, and the Mamasan Trilogy.
A prime example of why having 14,000 10c seats isn't a good thing.
From Wrigley 2013:
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Yet, like you, I enjoy the hunt😅
Side note: I haven't been to a dealer since my last free car wash circa 2011, lol. I'm still driving the same beat up Ford SUV by choice.
I could've afforded a few years of car payments to get something new-er (honestly, I'm waiting for the right electric option that's not a Tesla), but my car still runs good.
The thrill of the chase continues
Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Gremmie Out Of Control (BAM!), Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Whale Song (DOUBLE BAM!), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Amongst the Waves, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, Got to Give, and the Mamasan Trilogy.
I would've been fine with the following for United Center:
$249 - GA
$219 - front & aisle Floors
$199 - all other Floors, Mike & Stone side 100's
$179 - all other stage facing 100's
$165 - rear & side lower 100's, 1st 3 rows of 200's
- - all 10c eligible - -
$149 - all other stage facing 200's, 1st 3 rows of 300's
$129 - all other stage facing 300's
$99 - rear & side 300's (at $165, the Chicago shows will not sell out unless they block off the remainder of these seats)
No need for Premium at all. The ONLY upside to Premium/dynamic pricing, is all the unsold seats will revert to $163 on day of show, as opposed to the prices I gamed out above.
I mentioned earlier that PJ determines how much I pay for ANY concert. If I could get guaranteed GA or Floors for $220-$250 a ticket, I'd move my mark.
Until then, $165 it is (barring a Pink Floyd sans Roger tour, R.E.M., or a Nirvana/Foo Fighters tour with guest vocalists & drummers)
Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Gremmie Out Of Control (BAM!), Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Whale Song (DOUBLE BAM!), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Amongst the Waves, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, Got to Give, and the Mamasan Trilogy.
Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Gremmie Out Of Control (BAM!), Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Whale Song (DOUBLE BAM!), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Amongst the Waves, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, Got to Give, and the Mamasan Trilogy.
Lincoln 2014
New York 2016
Seattle 2018
St Louis 2022
Austin 2023
EV@ Innings Festival Arizona 2023
Lisbon 2024
November 5, 1993 - Indio, CA, Polo Fileds
July 4, 1998 - Los Angeles, The Forum
November 23, 2013 - Los Angeles, Sports Arena
September 26, 2021 - Dana Point, Ohana Festival
October 2, 2021 - Dana Point, Ohana Festival
May 3, 2022 - San Diego, Aztex Bowl
May 6 & 7, 2022- Los Angeles, The Forum
May 16, 2022 - Fresno, Save Mart Center
September 13 & 15, 2023 - FT. Worth, Dickies
September 18 & 19, 2023 - Austin, Moody Center
May 10, 2024 - Portland, Moda Center
May 16, 2024 - Las Vegas, MGM Garden Arena
May 21 & 22, 2024 - Los Angeles, Forum
May 25, 2024 - Napa Valley, Bottlerock
May 30, 2024 - Seattle, Climate Pledge Arena
The whole f2f throws a wrench into things. It mostly makes tickets disposable. Don't like 'em throw them back in the pot (which isn't great for the 10c'ers that actually want to use the tickets they win). The second is that your never out, if you spent copious amounts of time looking and refreshing you can keep upgrade and get to better seats. The 3rd is that technically you don't need to be a 10c'er anymore. You can just spend the copious amounts of time to pick up tickets other 10c'ers discard
'94 Boston 04.10
'95 DC 01.15
'96 Columbia 09.24, NYC 09.29, Hartford 10.02
'98 DC 06.14, Camden 08.28, Camden 08.29, E. Rutherford 09.08, NYC 09.10, NYC 09.11, Hartford 09.13, Columbia 09.18
'00 Camden 09.01, Camden 09.02, Columbia 09.04
'03 Philly 04.23, Camden 07.05, Camden 07.06, NYC 07.09, Hershey 07.12, Holmdel 07.14
'04 Reading 10.01, DC 10.11
'05 Atlantic City 09.30, Atlantic City 10.01, Philly 10.03, Chicago 10.05
'06 NYC 05.05, Camden 05.27, Camden 05.28, DC 05.30, E. Rutherford 06.03
'08 Camden 06.19, Camden 06.20, DC 06.22, NYC 06.24, NYC 06.25
'09 Philly 10.27, Philly 10.28, Philly 10.30, Philly 10.31
'10 Hartford 05.15, Newark 05.18, NYC 05.20, NYC 05.21
'12 Philly 09.02
'13 Philly 10.21, Philly 10.22
'16 Philly 04.28, Philly 04.29
'18 Boston 09.02
'21 Asbury Park 09.18
'22 Camden 09.14
'24 Philly 09.07 Philly 09.09 Baltimore 09.12
All the best for those trying for these tickets.
Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Gremmie Out Of Control (BAM!), Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Whale Song (DOUBLE BAM!), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Amongst the Waves, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, Got to Give, and the Mamasan Trilogy.