Don't Buy PJ Premium/Platinum Seating. We'll Help Each Other Find Good Seats.

pjhawks

Zod said:

pjhawks said:

nicknyr15 said:

pjhawks said:

nicknyr15 said:

static111 said:

rvaclaw said:

I'm kinda pissed about this.  I saw them in OKC in November '22.  I bought tickets on the floor for $125/each through the 10C.  When I got on to buy for this tour I got on right at 10am CST.  I was number 700 in the queue.  Most of hte best seats were already gone.  There's no way, right?  Not if we get first dibs as 10C members.  And then those same tickets on the floor were for $800.  So I looked closer on the side, and they were in the $600 range.  My first depressed thought was THIS IS NOT PEARL JAM!  Ticketmaster wins again.  

I always like to trot out this gem whenever I get down about the ticket prices.

https://twitter.com/RobertSmith/status/1636073365373956100?s=20

Yes! Same here. I have his tweets saved for anyone who wants to solely blame everything on TM and act like artists have no choice. 

But how many tickets did The Cure secure for their fan club? it's not a one to one comparison.  10C got way more tickets for the fan club and the trade off was 10% platinum seats.  Would you prefer less 10C seats? 

Meh. Look at the cure tour. I’ll take that tour any day of the week.

But what’s the trade off? I thought it was to keep tickets low? How does having plat tickets help them secure more fan club tickets?

did you not read their original email?  having 10% platinum helps offset the costs of having more fan club tickets. do you think giving Ticketmaster more tickets is going to keep prices lower?  the more tickets the 10C gets the lesser you are going to pay...period.  If 10C had limited amount of seats than almost all the tickets would be way more than $165 a ticket that the 10C is offering to us.  No way with the demand of PJ shows would ticketmaster have tickets as low as $165.  so the trade off of 10% platinum with more 10C tickets is a win for the fans in the 10 Club.  It's not even an argument to me.  it's the best solution for everyone to win in this situation if you really think about it.

As a fan base, would we be willing to take what they're selling for platinum, and average those costs amongst all the other seats?  IE how much would the other tickets have to go up to offset the extra revenue from platinum.  If it was $20 or something extra per ticket.  I think I'd rather they ditch platinum and just charge a little more for all the other tickets.  Especially with the negative impact it seems to have on 10c seat location.

Yes but that's a fantasy. you wouldn't get those seats without Premium because Ticketmaster wouldn't allow it.  There is no way 10C could get like 14,000 seats if they didn't allow Ticketmaster to do Premium.  The system blows but Ticketmaster holds the cards so you have to do the best you can working with them.  I think getting way more 10C tickets with 10% Premium is a fair trade off and about the best a band can do  (if they are only playing a limited number of shows). But even if PJ was going to play 30 or 40 shows Ticketmaster is still going to want to have Premium tickets.  Unless the government breaks up Ticketmaster Premium tickets aren't going away. 

and some people here complained about the tickets being like $165.00 so adding $20 per ticket is not going to make people happy.

Go Animal

Daily reminder to not buy Premium. 

Now that F2F is back up, even if you uncheck PJ Premium in your search, you'll see some re-listed impulse buys & "plans changed" Premium-priced tickets.

If you can justify the cost, knock yourself out. But just make sure you give yourself an extra second or two to look at the price.

I don't plan on paying more than $163 for ANY band right now, unless David Gilmour fired up the ol' Pink Floyd machine, or R.E.M. magically gets back together.

StephanieL19

PJ Friends...

Just thinking outloud here.... when do you think the premium prices will come down? I've been checking daily for N1 Forth Worth, and both in Austin. $900+ at the moment.

Are we thinking a month before? the week before? 

I am mostly concerned about Dallas N1 and want to get tix to the show for sure!

Go Animal

StephanieL19 said:

PJ Friends...

Just thinking outloud here.... when do you think the premium prices will come down? I've been checking daily for N1 Forth Worth, and both in Austin. $900+ at the moment.

Are we thinking a month before? the week before? 

I am mostly concerned about Dallas N1 and want to get tix to the show for sure!

If it's like last year, some will drop 1-3 days before show day. The rest will revert to normal price at a random time on day of show. Risky, but worth it!

I have a thread in the Given to Fly section of the forum tracking this very subject  

StephanieL19

Go Animal said:

StephanieL19 said:

PJ Friends...

Just thinking outloud here.... when do you think the premium prices will come down? I've been checking daily for N1 Forth Worth, and both in Austin. $900+ at the moment.

Are we thinking a month before? the week before? 

I am mostly concerned about Dallas N1 and want to get tix to the show for sure!

If it's like last year, some will drop 1-3 days before show day. The rest will revert to normal price at a random time on day of show. Risky, but worth it!

I have a thread in the Given to Fly section of the forum tracking this very subject  

Oh my! Well I guess we just plan on going, book the flights and trust the process.

What is the name of the thread, I will start to follow it.

devonfz

There’s a lot of good comments on this subject of premium seats. I get it, but I also see it from both sides on the one side the whole music industry is like a monopoly with live nation and Ticketmaster and such but on the other side, Pearl Jam was able to secure so many tickets for the fan club at below market prices, and I know a lot of people say 165 is expensive but they could easily sell those pit tickets GA tickets for 500 bucks apiece so on the other side of that Pearl Jam is leaving millions of dollars on the table if they just use dynamic pricing for the whole arena like so many other bands so if they got to let 10% go to premium but 90% is going at face value and the majority of that 90% is going to the fan club I think it’s just the way it’s gotta be I myself am extremely grateful that they are playing shows and getting so many tickets into the fan club. Like I said it might seem expensive, but 165 is a pretty good deal for Pearl Jam compared to other bands. I look at blink-182 tickets for Sacramento and good seats are going for 1000 bucks and the worst in the house is still going for 120 so 165 is a pretty good deal for a Pearl Jam in my opinion like I said, I believe they are leaving millions of dollars on the table for fan club members to get tickets and I think that’s pretty cool

Doug87

Go Animal said:

StephanieL19 said:

PJ Friends...

Just thinking outloud here.... when do you think the premium prices will come down? I've been checking daily for N1 Forth Worth, and both in Austin. $900+ at the moment.

Are we thinking a month before? the week before? 

I am mostly concerned about Dallas N1 and want to get tix to the show for sure!

If it's like last year, some will drop 1-3 days before show day. The rest will revert to normal price at a random time on day of show. Risky, but worth it!

I have a thread in the Given to Fly section of the forum tracking this very subject  

Won’t the prices still adjust down gradually as the show draws closer as in like maybe a month out or no? Would assume if tickets don’t sell at $600-700, then $500 is a logical ask and so forth but not sure how TM manages that aspect behind the scenes.

Also, if I read correctly, does F2F typically get fairly busy/active in the week or so prior to the show?

Go Animal

StephanieL19 said:

Go Animal said:

StephanieL19 said:

PJ Friends...

Just thinking outloud here.... when do you think the premium prices will come down? I've been checking daily for N1 Forth Worth, and both in Austin. $900+ at the moment.

Are we thinking a month before? the week before? 

I am mostly concerned about Dallas N1 and want to get tix to the show for sure!

If it's like last year, some will drop 1-3 days before show day. The rest will revert to normal price at a random time on day of show. Risky, but worth it!

I have a thread in the Given to Fly section of the forum tracking this very subject  

Oh my! Well I guess we just plan on going, book the flights and trust the process.

What is the name of the thread, I will start to follow it.

For short, it's called On The Road Again: 
https://community.pearljam.com/discussion/297747/on-the-road-again-2023-gigaton-tour-aka-gig-a-little-bit-regular-ticket-price-tracking-thread#latest

If you're planning for Dallas (be it N1 or N2, or both), you're gonna want to watch the F2F thread here in The Porch, and look for fellow 10c members posting about tickets for Ft. Worth in the Given to Fly section ("FS/FT FTW N1, SEC XX, ROW XX" or GA, or Floor).

Hopefully, between now & September, you'll come across a fan who can't make it. Then you can set up a time of your choosing where they list them for sale, and you pounce on the tix via the Ticketmaster app.

If you're waiting for PJ Premium to drop down to regular price, that'll be the afore mentioned last minute change. Last year, that's what happened to the remaining unsold Premiums on the day of each show.


Also, most venues have production holds from the band that are released on the day. Some on ticketmaster, some directly at the venue box office. So, there are a bunch of ways to get in without dropping $320 - $912 a ticket!

This message board & its threads are your best resource

Go Animal

devonfz said:

There’s a lot of good comments on this subject of premium seats. I get it, but I also see it from both sides on the one side the whole music industry is like a monopoly with live nation and Ticketmaster and such but on the other side, Pearl Jam was able to secure so many tickets for the fan club at below market prices, and I know a lot of people say 165 is expensive but they could easily sell those pit tickets GA tickets for 500 bucks apiece so on the other side of that Pearl Jam is leaving millions of dollars on the table if they just use dynamic pricing for the whole arena like so many other bands so if they got to let 10% go to premium but 90% is going at face value and the majority of that 90% is going to the fan club I think it’s just the way it’s gotta be I myself am extremely grateful that they are playing shows and getting so many tickets into the fan club. Like I said it might seem expensive, but 165 is a pretty good deal for Pearl Jam compared to other bands. I look at blink-182 tickets for Sacramento and good seats are going for 1000 bucks and the worst in the house is still going for 120 so 165 is a pretty good deal for a Pearl Jam in my opinion like I said, I believe they are leaving millions of dollars on the table for fan club members to get tickets and I think that’s pretty cool

Love the band. We all do. Love their philanthropic work, and the fact they stand up for their convictions while making some of the best music on the planet.

But I don't think any band deserves to be lauded for leaving money on the table. They're not hurting.

Each show will make a few million. Tickets, merch, parking, vending, and Club level/Premium experiences. The band will get paid, the crew will get paid, and all their families will be secure.

And that's just with regular priced tickets. I measure how much I want to see a band by the price Pearl Jam sets. At this juncture, I wouldn't pay more than $163 to see any artist (save for a magical reunion of legends who called it a day).

The band doesn't NEED PJ Premium. All that money is going to go to two places: Pearl Jam's LLC, or their philanthropic endeavors. And, while not a guarantee, the majority of fans buying Premium are pretty well off. And the band is more than happy to take that extra revenue & put it towards some good causes. And bless 'em for it.

But the flip side of that, is WE don't need PJ Premium either. We have this board. And all summer to fish around on F2F (when it's turned on). If you really want to find a way into one of these shows, you will. This board will help.

That's what I advocate for. There's no need to panic, and buy overpriced seats that some 40 or 50-something who just wants to hear the hits is willing to pay. As we speak, singles & pairs of those seats are getting bought. And hopefully that person gets their money's worth!

But if they can't make it to the show for whatever reason... hoo boy, are they gonna have a hard time moving those tickets. Because you CAN'T lower the price. The system won't let you.

And that lack of freedom & flexibility, is why I keep repeating myself:

don't buy Premium. 

pjhawks

Go Animal said:

devonfz said:

There’s a lot of good comments on this subject of premium seats. I get it, but I also see it from both sides on the one side the whole music industry is like a monopoly with live nation and Ticketmaster and such but on the other side, Pearl Jam was able to secure so many tickets for the fan club at below market prices, and I know a lot of people say 165 is expensive but they could easily sell those pit tickets GA tickets for 500 bucks apiece so on the other side of that Pearl Jam is leaving millions of dollars on the table if they just use dynamic pricing for the whole arena like so many other bands so if they got to let 10% go to premium but 90% is going at face value and the majority of that 90% is going to the fan club I think it’s just the way it’s gotta be I myself am extremely grateful that they are playing shows and getting so many tickets into the fan club. Like I said it might seem expensive, but 165 is a pretty good deal for Pearl Jam compared to other bands. I look at blink-182 tickets for Sacramento and good seats are going for 1000 bucks and the worst in the house is still going for 120 so 165 is a pretty good deal for a Pearl Jam in my opinion like I said, I believe they are leaving millions of dollars on the table for fan club members to get tickets and I think that’s pretty cool

Love the band. We all do. Love their philanthropic work, and the fact they stand up for their convictions while making some of the best music on the planet.

But I don't think any band deserves to be lauded for leaving money on the table. They're not hurting.

Each show will make a few million. Tickets, merch, parking, vending, and Club level/Premium experiences. The band will get paid, the crew will get paid, and all their families will be secure.

And that's just with regular priced tickets. I measure how much I want to see a band by the price Pearl Jam sets. At this juncture, I wouldn't pay more than $163 to see any artist (save for a magical reunion of legends who called it a day).

The band doesn't NEED PJ Premium. All that money is going to go to two places: Pearl Jam's LLC, or their philanthropic endeavors. And, while not a guarantee, the majority of fans buying Premium are pretty well off. And the band is more than happy to take that extra revenue & put it towards some good causes. And bless 'em for it.

But the flip side of that, is WE don't need PJ Premium either. We have this board. And all summer to fish around on F2F (when it's turned on). If you really want to find a way into one of these shows, you will. This board will help.

That's what I advocate for. There's no need to panic, and buy overpriced seats that some 40 or 50-something who just wants to hear the hits is willing to pay. As we speak, singles & pairs of those seats are getting bought. And hopefully that person gets their money's worth!

But if they can't make it to the show for whatever reason... hoo boy, are they gonna have a hard time moving those tickets. Because you CAN'T lower the price. The system won't let you.

And that lack of freedom & flexibility, is why I keep repeating myself:

don't buy Premium. 

so let me ask you this question. What is the difference in a local fan paying $900.00 PJ Premium ticket and someone like me who is going to play close to $900.00 or more or travel, hotel, tickets and food and drink to attend a show on this tour?  Still paying around the same price but you sure seem to have a problem with people paying that $900.00 for a ticket.  At least some of that ticket price goes to PJ. Why do you care so much what other fans are willing to pay?

Go Animal

pjhawks said:

Go Animal said:

devonfz said:

There’s a lot of good comments on this subject of premium seats. I get it, but I also see it from both sides on the one side the whole music industry is like a monopoly with live nation and Ticketmaster and such but on the other side, Pearl Jam was able to secure so many tickets for the fan club at below market prices, and I know a lot of people say 165 is expensive but they could easily sell those pit tickets GA tickets for 500 bucks apiece so on the other side of that Pearl Jam is leaving millions of dollars on the table if they just use dynamic pricing for the whole arena like so many other bands so if they got to let 10% go to premium but 90% is going at face value and the majority of that 90% is going to the fan club I think it’s just the way it’s gotta be I myself am extremely grateful that they are playing shows and getting so many tickets into the fan club. Like I said it might seem expensive, but 165 is a pretty good deal for Pearl Jam compared to other bands. I look at blink-182 tickets for Sacramento and good seats are going for 1000 bucks and the worst in the house is still going for 120 so 165 is a pretty good deal for a Pearl Jam in my opinion like I said, I believe they are leaving millions of dollars on the table for fan club members to get tickets and I think that’s pretty cool

Love the band. We all do. Love their philanthropic work, and the fact they stand up for their convictions while making some of the best music on the planet.

But I don't think any band deserves to be lauded for leaving money on the table. They're not hurting.

Each show will make a few million. Tickets, merch, parking, vending, and Club level/Premium experiences. The band will get paid, the crew will get paid, and all their families will be secure.

And that's just with regular priced tickets. I measure how much I want to see a band by the price Pearl Jam sets. At this juncture, I wouldn't pay more than $163 to see any artist (save for a magical reunion of legends who called it a day).

The band doesn't NEED PJ Premium. All that money is going to go to two places: Pearl Jam's LLC, or their philanthropic endeavors. And, while not a guarantee, the majority of fans buying Premium are pretty well off. And the band is more than happy to take that extra revenue & put it towards some good causes. And bless 'em for it.

But the flip side of that, is WE don't need PJ Premium either. We have this board. And all summer to fish around on F2F (when it's turned on). If you really want to find a way into one of these shows, you will. This board will help.

That's what I advocate for. There's no need to panic, and buy overpriced seats that some 40 or 50-something who just wants to hear the hits is willing to pay. As we speak, singles & pairs of those seats are getting bought. And hopefully that person gets their money's worth!

But if they can't make it to the show for whatever reason... hoo boy, are they gonna have a hard time moving those tickets. Because you CAN'T lower the price. The system won't let you.

And that lack of freedom & flexibility, is why I keep repeating myself:

don't buy Premium. 

so let me ask you this question. What is the difference in a local fan paying $900.00 PJ Premium ticket and someone like me who is going to play close to $900.00 or more or travel, hotel, tickets and food and drink to attend a show on this tour?  Still paying around the same price but you sure seem to have a problem with people paying that $900.00 for a ticket.  At least some of that ticket price goes to PJ. Why do you care so much what other fans are willing to pay?

Because if something happens & you can't make the show, you have to pray to all that is holy that someone else will buy your $900 ticket.

That, or you give someone the ticket for free & throw them your TM log-in.

You can't lower the price as incentive. And many fans ate ticket costs last year because of it.

Its in both last year's F2F thread, my 2022 price tracking thread, and a few pissed off threads that were closed due to the subject already existing.

I care, because no one on this boards NEEDS to pay that much. There's a false sense of supply & demand going on here. And that creates an aura of panic where someone who really wants to go to a show is often presented with a scenario where either Premium is the only way in, or the only way to get good seats.

It's not.

TM is posting & pulling batches of seats on the regular, and I've already seen some Premiums drop in price. I check every day & take notes for my other thread.

And so far, the pattern is just like last year. Premiums slowly drop in price as we get closer to day of show. And by then, great seats are no longer marked up. The demand evens out in favor of the fan/consumer.

For right now, giving in to that sense of panic, with regular price already cutting it close to their budget, is not something I like seeing fellow fans go through. We're not all well off, here.

So I advocate for the most cost-efficient option to see our favorite band: this message board, and by proxy, F2F.

The band, and it's LLC, are not hurting. They'll be fine. They'll only stop when they don't feel like they have anything left to give.

I'm all about giving them their flowers!

They just don't have to be $900 flowers

SHZA

pjhawks said:

Zod said:

pjhawks said:

nicknyr15 said:

pjhawks said:

nicknyr15 said:

static111 said:

rvaclaw said:

I'm kinda pissed about this.  I saw them in OKC in November '22.  I bought tickets on the floor for $125/each through the 10C.  When I got on to buy for this tour I got on right at 10am CST.  I was number 700 in the queue.  Most of hte best seats were already gone.  There's no way, right?  Not if we get first dibs as 10C members.  And then those same tickets on the floor were for $800.  So I looked closer on the side, and they were in the $600 range.  My first depressed thought was THIS IS NOT PEARL JAM!  Ticketmaster wins again.  

I always like to trot out this gem whenever I get down about the ticket prices.

https://twitter.com/RobertSmith/status/1636073365373956100?s=20

Yes! Same here. I have his tweets saved for anyone who wants to solely blame everything on TM and act like artists have no choice. 

But how many tickets did The Cure secure for their fan club? it's not a one to one comparison.  10C got way more tickets for the fan club and the trade off was 10% platinum seats.  Would you prefer less 10C seats? 

Meh. Look at the cure tour. I’ll take that tour any day of the week.

But what’s the trade off? I thought it was to keep tickets low? How does having plat tickets help them secure more fan club tickets?

did you not read their original email?  having 10% platinum helps offset the costs of having more fan club tickets. do you think giving Ticketmaster more tickets is going to keep prices lower?  the more tickets the 10C gets the lesser you are going to pay...period.  If 10C had limited amount of seats than almost all the tickets would be way more than $165 a ticket that the 10C is offering to us.  No way with the demand of PJ shows would ticketmaster have tickets as low as $165.  so the trade off of 10% platinum with more 10C tickets is a win for the fans in the 10 Club.  It's not even an argument to me.  it's the best solution for everyone to win in this situation if you really think about it.

As a fan base, would we be willing to take what they're selling for platinum, and average those costs amongst all the other seats?  IE how much would the other tickets have to go up to offset the extra revenue from platinum.  If it was $20 or something extra per ticket.  I think I'd rather they ditch platinum and just charge a little more for all the other tickets.  Especially with the negative impact it seems to have on 10c seat location.

Yes but that's a fantasy. you wouldn't get those seats without Premium because Ticketmaster wouldn't allow it.  There is no way 10C could get like 14,000 seats if they didn't allow Ticketmaster to do Premium.  The system blows but Ticketmaster holds the cards so you have to do the best you can working with them.  I think getting way more 10C tickets with 10% Premium is a fair trade off and about the best a band can do  (if they are only playing a limited number of shows). But even if PJ was going to play 30 or 40 shows Ticketmaster is still going to want to have Premium tickets.  Unless the government breaks up Ticketmaster Premium tickets aren't going away. 

and some people here complained about the tickets being like $165.00 so adding $20 per ticket is not going to make people happy.

I think the premise that it's a worthwhile trade off to get 14,000 10c seats in exchange for Premium is shaky at best. Premium tickets aren't going away, but it is still the artist's choice to participate as the Robert Smith tweets confirm. A large swath of the 10c allocation consists of tickets that many members don't want. If the alternative is 5,000 10c seats in premium locations and no Premium pricing, I'd much prefer that. True, people wouldn't get their fifth and sixth choices in the lottery, but those aren't good tickets anyway unless you're a senior member. With a smaller allocation, each member would get 1-2 shows with pretty decent seats. That's what I recall from 2020. No premium pricing (except a few charity vitalogy tickets at MSG and B'more). I got one show in the lottery before securing good seats to other shows on F2F. If premium is offsetting costs of other tickets, bump up the remaining tickets and go to tiered prices. I got front row standard tickets for the Cure last week for $275 including fees. A few rows back is 175, uppers are 100 near the stage, less as you go back. And no Platinum tickets at all. There's a way to make the numbers work with prices still being reasonable. Although not every band has the clout to refuse TM's demands, PJ certainly does. A 10c member shouldn't get stuck with unsellable $160 nosebleeds, which I expect is going to happen in Minnesota. 

SHZA

Go Animal said:

devonfz said:

There’s a lot of good comments on this subject of premium seats. I get it, but I also see it from both sides on the one side the whole music industry is like a monopoly with live nation and Ticketmaster and such but on the other side, Pearl Jam was able to secure so many tickets for the fan club at below market prices, and I know a lot of people say 165 is expensive but they could easily sell those pit tickets GA tickets for 500 bucks apiece so on the other side of that Pearl Jam is leaving millions of dollars on the table if they just use dynamic pricing for the whole arena like so many other bands so if they got to let 10% go to premium but 90% is going at face value and the majority of that 90% is going to the fan club I think it’s just the way it’s gotta be I myself am extremely grateful that they are playing shows and getting so many tickets into the fan club. Like I said it might seem expensive, but 165 is a pretty good deal for Pearl Jam compared to other bands. I look at blink-182 tickets for Sacramento and good seats are going for 1000 bucks and the worst in the house is still going for 120 so 165 is a pretty good deal for a Pearl Jam in my opinion like I said, I believe they are leaving millions of dollars on the table for fan club members to get tickets and I think that’s pretty cool

Love the band. We all do. Love their philanthropic work, and the fact they stand up for their convictions while making some of the best music on the planet.

But I don't think any band deserves to be lauded for leaving money on the table. They're not hurting.

Each show will make a few million. Tickets, merch, parking, vending, and Club level/Premium experiences. The band will get paid, the crew will get paid, and all their families will be secure.

And that's just with regular priced tickets. I measure how much I want to see a band by the price Pearl Jam sets. At this juncture, I wouldn't pay more than $163 to see any artist (save for a magical reunion of legends who called it a day).

The band doesn't NEED PJ Premium. All that money is going to go to two places: Pearl Jam's LLC, or their philanthropic endeavors. And, while not a guarantee, the majority of fans buying Premium are pretty well off. And the band is more than happy to take that extra revenue & put it towards some good causes. And bless 'em for it.

But the flip side of that, is WE don't need PJ Premium either. We have this board. And all summer to fish around on F2F (when it's turned on). If you really want to find a way into one of these shows, you will. This board will help.

That's what I advocate for. There's no need to panic, and buy overpriced seats that some 40 or 50-something who just wants to hear the hits is willing to pay. As we speak, singles & pairs of those seats are getting bought. And hopefully that person gets their money's worth!

But if they can't make it to the show for whatever reason... hoo boy, are they gonna have a hard time moving those tickets. Because you CAN'T lower the price. The system won't let you.

And that lack of freedom & flexibility, is why I keep repeating myself:

don't buy Premium. 

There is an opportunity cost though. Spending all summer fishing around for tickets eats up time and mental energy  that you could devote to other things. If you enjoy the chase (I do) and don't mind putting in the time, then there's certainly no need to waste your money on platinum. But if you said to me, "don't pay the dealer's premium pricing to fix your car next September, there's a wealth of online resources that can show you how to do it yourself for a fraction of the price if you spend all summer reading them," I'd call you crazy. This isn't that different. 

SHZA

SHZA said:

pjhawks said:

Zod said:

pjhawks said:

nicknyr15 said:

pjhawks said:

nicknyr15 said:

static111 said:

rvaclaw said:

I'm kinda pissed about this.  I saw them in OKC in November '22.  I bought tickets on the floor for $125/each through the 10C.  When I got on to buy for this tour I got on right at 10am CST.  I was number 700 in the queue.  Most of hte best seats were already gone.  There's no way, right?  Not if we get first dibs as 10C members.  And then those same tickets on the floor were for $800.  So I looked closer on the side, and they were in the $600 range.  My first depressed thought was THIS IS NOT PEARL JAM!  Ticketmaster wins again.  

I always like to trot out this gem whenever I get down about the ticket prices.

https://twitter.com/RobertSmith/status/1636073365373956100?s=20

Yes! Same here. I have his tweets saved for anyone who wants to solely blame everything on TM and act like artists have no choice. 

But how many tickets did The Cure secure for their fan club? it's not a one to one comparison.  10C got way more tickets for the fan club and the trade off was 10% platinum seats.  Would you prefer less 10C seats? 

Meh. Look at the cure tour. I’ll take that tour any day of the week.

But what’s the trade off? I thought it was to keep tickets low? How does having plat tickets help them secure more fan club tickets?

did you not read their original email?  having 10% platinum helps offset the costs of having more fan club tickets. do you think giving Ticketmaster more tickets is going to keep prices lower?  the more tickets the 10C gets the lesser you are going to pay...period.  If 10C had limited amount of seats than almost all the tickets would be way more than $165 a ticket that the 10C is offering to us.  No way with the demand of PJ shows would ticketmaster have tickets as low as $165.  so the trade off of 10% platinum with more 10C tickets is a win for the fans in the 10 Club.  It's not even an argument to me.  it's the best solution for everyone to win in this situation if you really think about it.

As a fan base, would we be willing to take what they're selling for platinum, and average those costs amongst all the other seats?  IE how much would the other tickets have to go up to offset the extra revenue from platinum.  If it was $20 or something extra per ticket.  I think I'd rather they ditch platinum and just charge a little more for all the other tickets.  Especially with the negative impact it seems to have on 10c seat location.

Yes but that's a fantasy. you wouldn't get those seats without Premium because Ticketmaster wouldn't allow it.  There is no way 10C could get like 14,000 seats if they didn't allow Ticketmaster to do Premium.  The system blows but Ticketmaster holds the cards so you have to do the best you can working with them.  I think getting way more 10C tickets with 10% Premium is a fair trade off and about the best a band can do  (if they are only playing a limited number of shows). But even if PJ was going to play 30 or 40 shows Ticketmaster is still going to want to have Premium tickets.  Unless the government breaks up Ticketmaster Premium tickets aren't going away. 

and some people here complained about the tickets being like $165.00 so adding $20 per ticket is not going to make people happy.

I think the premise that it's a worthwhile trade off to get 14,000 10c seats in exchange for Premium is shaky at best. Premium tickets aren't going away, but it is still the artist's choice to participate as the Robert Smith tweets confirm. A large swath of the 10c allocation consists of tickets that many members don't want. If the alternative is 5,000 10c seats in premium locations and no Premium pricing, I'd much prefer that. True, people wouldn't get their fifth and sixth choices in the lottery, but those aren't good tickets anyway unless you're a senior member. With a smaller allocation, each member would get 1-2 shows with pretty decent seats. That's what I recall from 2020. No premium pricing (except a few charity vitalogy tickets at MSG and B'more). I got one show in the lottery before securing good seats to other shows on F2F. If premium is offsetting costs of other tickets, bump up the remaining tickets and go to tiered prices. I got front row standard tickets for the Cure last week for $275 including fees. A few rows back is 175, uppers are 100 near the stage, less as you go back. And no Platinum tickets at all. There's a way to make the numbers work with prices still being reasonable. Although not every band has the clout to refuse TM's demands, PJ certainly does. A 10c member shouldn't get stuck with unsellable $160 nosebleeds, which I expect is going to happen in Minnesota. 

A prime example of why having 14,000 10c seats isn't a good thing. 

JimmyV

Had they employed something like this at the United Center, I do believe there would be fewer disappointed people. The 300 level should have been its own option, much like rear stage was. 

From Wrigley 2013:

Chicago ticket info: Due to the size of this baseball park, there will be 3 different ticket options.  Prices vary. You may enter the drawing for as many ticket options as you like, but you can only be drawn for one pair of tickets to this show. Reserved seats will be assigned based on seniority.

 

GA Pit tickets: These are general admission standing tickets and are located on the floor immediately in front of the stage. The GA section is allocated for fan club members only; therefore there will not be a Ten Club early entry for this section. 

Reserved Field/ Lower Bowl:  Reserved seating on the field and lower bowl. 

Reserved Upper Box: Reserved seating in the upper box, lower ticket price.

Go Animal

SHZA said:

Go Animal said:

devonfz said:

There’s a lot of good comments on this subject of premium seats. I get it, but I also see it from both sides on the one side the whole music industry is like a monopoly with live nation and Ticketmaster and such but on the other side, Pearl Jam was able to secure so many tickets for the fan club at below market prices, and I know a lot of people say 165 is expensive but they could easily sell those pit tickets GA tickets for 500 bucks apiece so on the other side of that Pearl Jam is leaving millions of dollars on the table if they just use dynamic pricing for the whole arena like so many other bands so if they got to let 10% go to premium but 90% is going at face value and the majority of that 90% is going to the fan club I think it’s just the way it’s gotta be I myself am extremely grateful that they are playing shows and getting so many tickets into the fan club. Like I said it might seem expensive, but 165 is a pretty good deal for Pearl Jam compared to other bands. I look at blink-182 tickets for Sacramento and good seats are going for 1000 bucks and the worst in the house is still going for 120 so 165 is a pretty good deal for a Pearl Jam in my opinion like I said, I believe they are leaving millions of dollars on the table for fan club members to get tickets and I think that’s pretty cool

Love the band. We all do. Love their philanthropic work, and the fact they stand up for their convictions while making some of the best music on the planet.

But I don't think any band deserves to be lauded for leaving money on the table. They're not hurting.

Each show will make a few million. Tickets, merch, parking, vending, and Club level/Premium experiences. The band will get paid, the crew will get paid, and all their families will be secure.

And that's just with regular priced tickets. I measure how much I want to see a band by the price Pearl Jam sets. At this juncture, I wouldn't pay more than $163 to see any artist (save for a magical reunion of legends who called it a day).

The band doesn't NEED PJ Premium. All that money is going to go to two places: Pearl Jam's LLC, or their philanthropic endeavors. And, while not a guarantee, the majority of fans buying Premium are pretty well off. And the band is more than happy to take that extra revenue & put it towards some good causes. And bless 'em for it.

But the flip side of that, is WE don't need PJ Premium either. We have this board. And all summer to fish around on F2F (when it's turned on). If you really want to find a way into one of these shows, you will. This board will help.

That's what I advocate for. There's no need to panic, and buy overpriced seats that some 40 or 50-something who just wants to hear the hits is willing to pay. As we speak, singles & pairs of those seats are getting bought. And hopefully that person gets their money's worth!

But if they can't make it to the show for whatever reason... hoo boy, are they gonna have a hard time moving those tickets. Because you CAN'T lower the price. The system won't let you.

And that lack of freedom & flexibility, is why I keep repeating myself:

don't buy Premium. 

There is an opportunity cost though. Spending all summer fishing around for tickets eats up time and mental energy  that you could devote to other things. If you enjoy the chase (I do) and don't mind putting in the time, then there's certainly no need to waste your money on platinum. But if you said to me, "don't pay the dealer's premium pricing to fix your car next September, there's a wealth of online resources that can show you how to do it yourself for a fraction of the price if you spend all summer reading them," I'd call you crazy. This isn't that different. 

You remain a solid voice in this conversation, good sir. I'm already somewhat burnt out😴

Yet, like you, I enjoy the hunt😅

Side note: I haven't been to a dealer since my last free car wash circa 2011, lol. I'm still driving the same beat up Ford SUV by choice.

I could've afforded a few years of car payments to get something new-er (honestly, I'm waiting for the right electric option that's not a Tesla), but my car still runs good.

The thrill of the chase continues

Go Animal

JimmyV said:

Had they employed something like this at the United Center, I do believe there would be fewer disappointed people. The 300 level should have been its own option, much like rear stage was. 

From Wrigley 2013:

Chicago ticket info: Due to the size of this baseball park, there will be 3 different ticket options.  Prices vary. You may enter the drawing for as many ticket options as you like, but you can only be drawn for one pair of tickets to this show. Reserved seats will be assigned based on seniority.

 

GA Pit tickets: These are general admission standing tickets and are located on the floor immediately in front of the stage. The GA section is allocated for fan club members only; therefore there will not be a Ten Club early entry for this section. 

Reserved Field/ Lower Bowl:  Reserved seating on the field and lower bowl. 

Reserved Upper Box: Reserved seating in the upper box, lower ticket price.

You would be correct.

I would've been fine with the following for United Center:

$249 - GA
$219 - front & aisle Floors
$199 - all other Floors, Mike & Stone side 100's
$179 - all other stage facing 100's
$165 - rear & side lower 100's, 1st 3 rows of 200's
- - all 10c eligible - -
$149 - all other stage facing 200's, 1st 3 rows of 300's
$129 - all other stage facing 300's
$99 - rear & side 300's (at $165, the Chicago shows will not sell out unless they block off the remainder of these seats)

No need for Premium at all. The ONLY upside to Premium/dynamic pricing, is all the unsold seats will revert to $163 on day of show, as opposed to the prices I gamed out above.

I mentioned earlier that PJ determines how much I pay for ANY concert. If I could get guaranteed GA or Floors for $220-$250 a ticket, I'd move my mark.

Until then, $165 it is (barring a Pink Floyd sans Roger tour, R.E.M., or a Nirvana/Foo Fighters tour with guest vocalists & drummers)

SHZA

Go Animal said:

SHZA said:

Go Animal said:

devonfz said:

There’s a lot of good comments on this subject of premium seats. I get it, but I also see it from both sides on the one side the whole music industry is like a monopoly with live nation and Ticketmaster and such but on the other side, Pearl Jam was able to secure so many tickets for the fan club at below market prices, and I know a lot of people say 165 is expensive but they could easily sell those pit tickets GA tickets for 500 bucks apiece so on the other side of that Pearl Jam is leaving millions of dollars on the table if they just use dynamic pricing for the whole arena like so many other bands so if they got to let 10% go to premium but 90% is going at face value and the majority of that 90% is going to the fan club I think it’s just the way it’s gotta be I myself am extremely grateful that they are playing shows and getting so many tickets into the fan club. Like I said it might seem expensive, but 165 is a pretty good deal for Pearl Jam compared to other bands. I look at blink-182 tickets for Sacramento and good seats are going for 1000 bucks and the worst in the house is still going for 120 so 165 is a pretty good deal for a Pearl Jam in my opinion like I said, I believe they are leaving millions of dollars on the table for fan club members to get tickets and I think that’s pretty cool

Love the band. We all do. Love their philanthropic work, and the fact they stand up for their convictions while making some of the best music on the planet.

But I don't think any band deserves to be lauded for leaving money on the table. They're not hurting.

Each show will make a few million. Tickets, merch, parking, vending, and Club level/Premium experiences. The band will get paid, the crew will get paid, and all their families will be secure.

And that's just with regular priced tickets. I measure how much I want to see a band by the price Pearl Jam sets. At this juncture, I wouldn't pay more than $163 to see any artist (save for a magical reunion of legends who called it a day).

The band doesn't NEED PJ Premium. All that money is going to go to two places: Pearl Jam's LLC, or their philanthropic endeavors. And, while not a guarantee, the majority of fans buying Premium are pretty well off. And the band is more than happy to take that extra revenue & put it towards some good causes. And bless 'em for it.

But the flip side of that, is WE don't need PJ Premium either. We have this board. And all summer to fish around on F2F (when it's turned on). If you really want to find a way into one of these shows, you will. This board will help.

That's what I advocate for. There's no need to panic, and buy overpriced seats that some 40 or 50-something who just wants to hear the hits is willing to pay. As we speak, singles & pairs of those seats are getting bought. And hopefully that person gets their money's worth!

But if they can't make it to the show for whatever reason... hoo boy, are they gonna have a hard time moving those tickets. Because you CAN'T lower the price. The system won't let you.

And that lack of freedom & flexibility, is why I keep repeating myself:

don't buy Premium. 

There is an opportunity cost though. Spending all summer fishing around for tickets eats up time and mental energy  that you could devote to other things. If you enjoy the chase (I do) and don't mind putting in the time, then there's certainly no need to waste your money on platinum. But if you said to me, "don't pay the dealer's premium pricing to fix your car next September, there's a wealth of online resources that can show you how to do it yourself for a fraction of the price if you spend all summer reading them," I'd call you crazy. This isn't that different. 

You remain a solid voice in this conversation, good sir. I'm already somewhat burnt out😴

Yet, like you, I enjoy the hunt😅

Side note: I haven't been to a dealer since my last free car wash circa 2011, lol. I'm still driving the same beat up Ford SUV by choice.

I could've afforded a few years of car payments to get something new-er (honestly, I'm waiting for the right electric option that's not a Tesla), but my car still runs good.

The thrill of the chase continues

My 2001 Nissan with manual transmission still gets me around  

Go Animal

SHZA said:
 

My 2001 Nissan with manual transmission still gets me around  

2007 Ford! And LBR, 2001-02 Nissan Altimas are the Wolverine of sedans. Nearly unstoppable, stunning healing factor.

pjhawks

I can’t believe people are advocating for less 10 Club tickets.  That’s just stupid.  They are the same people who bitch ( rightfully so) about Ticketmaster but want to give more tickets to Ticketmaster and take out of the 10 Club allotment,  seriously people?