Don't Buy PJ Premium/Platinum Seating. We'll Help Each Other Find Good Seats.

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  • Go Animal
    Go Animal Posts: 7,351
    edited April 2023
    tim131 said:
    Great post!

    @Go Animal are there typically ticket drops (at face value) day of or even week of the show?

    For Springsteen there were drops at face value. I saw tickets for $1,000's of dollars due to dynamic pricing, but for every show, was able to get face value tickets through drops (MSG Included)
    Yep! Same applies for these shows. It's all about timing.

    Some days, the shows will appear as "Sold Out, Check Back Later" - if they were really sold out, why would they add the check back later part?

    Toronto, MSG, Camden, Nashville & Denver all had this.

    And all of them had tickets miraculously appear a few days before show & the day-of.
    Post edited by Go Animal on
    PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 & 05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01 & 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles (Inglewood) I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18 & 09/19/23: Austin I & II, 05/16 & 05/18/24: Las Vegas I & II, 08/29 & 08/31/24: Wrigley Field I & II, 09/03 & 09/04/24: MSG I & II, 09/27 & 09/29/24: Ohana Festival I & II

    EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival

    Song Wishlist: Alone, Let Me Sleep, Brother, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, and the Mamasan Trilogy.

    Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08        ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!
  • elvistheking44
    elvistheking44 Posts: 4,540
    JR86440 said:
    Go Animal said:
    First, the 200's will see an increase anywhere from $250 to $450, 100's will see around $325 for the back, and up to $1,500 for bird's eye views from Mike or Stone's side. GA & Floor could go as high as $4,000.
    A few members here can confirm that there was a pair of MSG floor seats that sat around for $4K EACH last year. Did they get bought? Not by anyone on this board. If I had to guess, unless someone very well off decided to Treat Himself, they were re-absorbed & later released on day-of show. A few production holds shook loose that day, and I saw people going up to the box office & scoring decent seats right as I was walking in.
    ALL the shows last year that had PJ Premiums saw the remaining inventory slowly decrease in price, and eventually drop to the 2020/2022 regular prices set forth in their respective tour announcements.
    Feel free to go through every page of the thread linked above. It all happened in real time.
    Some people play the stock market. I spent last year watching ticket prices, lol.
    And I'll do it again B)
    In NYC, 4K is pocket change for many, many people
    Chicago as well, some people love to tell others how much they spent on things, concert tickets are no exception.
  • JeBurkhardt
    JeBurkhardt Posts: 5,321
    F2F will be your friend. In 2020 I managed moves 3 times and ended up with great tickets. This year I will be trying to get a pair for Indy. I am content to get lawn seats, so I don't think it will be too hard to find a pair over the next 4 months. But then again I didn't think I would be unfulfilled on lawn seats either, so who really knows.   
  • Go Animal
    Go Animal Posts: 7,351
    edited April 2023
    I would be remiss if I didn't mention the biggest reason not to buy PJ Premium: you can't resell those tickets on F2F for any other price than what you paid.

    Obviously, that's fair in terms of limiting scalping & trying to make a profit.

    But what if you can't make the show?

    Or what if you find better tickets at a lower cost, and you want to get rid of the ones you paid $750 for? Or $1,200?

    Fan to Fan won't even let you REDUCE the price.

    Let's say you want to let those $750 tickets go for $500, and just resign yourself to a $250/ticket loss...

    Nope. The system won't let you.

    You have to pray to whatever deity you worship, that someone is going to pay that exact same amount for those tickets at some point over the summer.

    MANY members took a hit last year because of this, and the same system is still in place.

    It adds undue pressure to a fanbase that just wants to get good seats to see one of their favorite bands.

    Last year, the ONLY tickets that were still marked up by showtime last year? Were F2F resales of PJ Platinum tickets.

    EVERY Premium/Platinum fell in price, as long as no one bought them & relisted them on F2F.

    Every show.
    Post edited by Go Animal on
    PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 & 05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01 & 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles (Inglewood) I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18 & 09/19/23: Austin I & II, 05/16 & 05/18/24: Las Vegas I & II, 08/29 & 08/31/24: Wrigley Field I & II, 09/03 & 09/04/24: MSG I & II, 09/27 & 09/29/24: Ohana Festival I & II

    EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival

    Song Wishlist: Alone, Let Me Sleep, Brother, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, and the Mamasan Trilogy.

    Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08        ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!
  • Kwieneke
    Kwieneke Indiana Posts: 2,105
    Awesome post!!
    Noblesville 5.7.2010. Lexington 4.26.2016. Nashville 9.16.2022. St Louis 9.18.2022.
    Chicago 1 9.5.2023. Chicago 2 9.7.2023. 
    *Noblesville 9.10.2023* (Gutted) 
    Seattle 5.30.2024  Noblesville 8.26.2024  Chicago 8.29.2024  Chicago 8.31.2024 
    Pittsburgh 5.16.2025 Pittsburgh 5.18.2025
  • JojoRice
    JojoRice Kennesaw, GA Posts: 4,553
    edited April 2023
    Thanks for the reminder!  I might be trying to upgrade my Reserved St Paul night 1 tickets depending on how the 3rd round of seating assignments go for 10c tickets.  I just hope when we sell on F2F that we get paid within a few days instead of having to wait until after the show. 
    "I got memories, I got shit"
  • Go Animal
    Go Animal Posts: 7,351
    As Indy is about to queue up, hold fast. Get what you can at regular price & DON'T GIVE IN TO AN IMPULSE PREMIUM BUY!
    We got this!!
    PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 & 05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01 & 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles (Inglewood) I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18 & 09/19/23: Austin I & II, 05/16 & 05/18/24: Las Vegas I & II, 08/29 & 08/31/24: Wrigley Field I & II, 09/03 & 09/04/24: MSG I & II, 09/27 & 09/29/24: Ohana Festival I & II

    EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival

    Song Wishlist: Alone, Let Me Sleep, Brother, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, and the Mamasan Trilogy.

    Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08        ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!
  • rlaidepeas
    rlaidepeas St. Louis, MO Posts: 306
    edited April 2023
    Go Animal said:
    I would be remiss if I didn't mention the biggest reason not to buy PJ Premium: you can't resell those tickets on F2F for any other price than what you paid.

    Obviously, that's fair in terms of limiting scalping & trying to make a profit.

    But what if you can't make the show?

    Or what if you find better tickets at a lower cost, and you want to get rid of the ones you paid $750 for? Or $1,200?

    Fan to Fan won't even let you REDUCE the price.

    Let's say you want to let those $750 tickets go for $500, and just resign yourself to a $250/ticket loss...

    Nope. The system won't let you.

    You have to pray to whatever deity you worship, that someone is going to pay that exact same amount for those tickets at some point over the summer.

    MANY members took a hit last year because of this, and the same system is still in place.

    It adds undue pressure to a fanbase that just wants to get good seats to see one of their favorite bands.

    Last year, the ONLY tickets that were still marked up by showtime last year? Were F2F resales of PJ Platinum tickets.

    EVERY Premium/Platinum fell in price, as long as no one bought them & relisted them on F2F.

    Every show.
    Preach! Thank you for pointing this out. There are many reasons not to buy PJ Premium Tickets but this by far is the best reason not to. And this same philosophy applies to all Ticketmaster premium tickets. 

    In fact, it applies to regular price tickets as well, since they follow a dynamic pricing model. I have been stuck unable to let go of tickets i bought for regular face value for shows in the past because by day of show Ticketmaster had dropped the original retail price even lower due to slow sales, excessive inventory, etc….and then what incentive does anyone have to buy your ticket that is locked into a higher price now that other tickets are available for a new retail cost lower than yours? 

    It’s not right that they do this and it’s a reason I almost always wait to buy tickets until a day or two prior to the show.
    Post edited by rlaidepeas on
  • tschav
    tschav Posts: 2,899
    Go Animal said:
    kaw753 said:
    Go Animal said:
    Here's a screen grab from @demetrios - Toronto was BONKERS last year. Hottest ticket in Canada. One of these pairs actually sold, the rest eventually fell in price. $2,500 ea for Floor! You're gonna see it, maybe as soon as tomorrow.
    Don't buy into it.
    They'll drop in price.

    I upgraded about 5 times on F2F last year in Toronto to 106. It was only difficult to get tickets beyond that section, from my extensive F5 experience. 
    Side note: everyone keep track of how much you spend on tickets. ESPECIALLY ones you sell on Fan-to-Fan. If you flip 4 or 5 tickets, ticketmaster will be sending you a 1099 beginning of next year ;)
    My tax guy had… questions… after asking how I sold so much on F2F and didn’t make a dime. Conversely, I did rack up 2 credit card sign up bonuses in the process. 😄
  • Indifference
    Indifference Posts: 2,759
    edited April 2023
    Of course if no one buys the PJ premium tickets at the price levels  then expect an increase in ticket prices next time around =)

    SHOW COUNT: (170) 1990's=3, 2000's=53, 2010/20's=114, US=124, CAN=15, Europe=20 ,New Zealand=4, Australia=5
    Mexico=1, Colombia=1 



  • bb4packers
    bb4packers Posts: 204
    Great thread - love the sentiment and the strategy. 
  • Go Animal
    Go Animal Posts: 7,351
    Noblesville! You're up B)
    PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 & 05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01 & 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles (Inglewood) I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18 & 09/19/23: Austin I & II, 05/16 & 05/18/24: Las Vegas I & II, 08/29 & 08/31/24: Wrigley Field I & II, 09/03 & 09/04/24: MSG I & II, 09/27 & 09/29/24: Ohana Festival I & II

    EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival

    Song Wishlist: Alone, Let Me Sleep, Brother, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, and the Mamasan Trilogy.

    Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08        ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!
  • dmbolp
    dmbolp ATL Posts: 1,513
    Indy PJ Premium requires Fan-Verify...
  • Go Animal
    Go Animal Posts: 7,351
    Indifference said:
    Of course if no one buys the PJ premium tickets at the price levels  then expect an increase in ticket prices next time around =)
    That's going to happen no matter what. If they go up drastically, then at least make them static. The surge pricing is a slap in the face to ticket buyers.
    PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 & 05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01 & 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles (Inglewood) I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18 & 09/19/23: Austin I & II, 05/16 & 05/18/24: Las Vegas I & II, 08/29 & 08/31/24: Wrigley Field I & II, 09/03 & 09/04/24: MSG I & II, 09/27 & 09/29/24: Ohana Festival I & II

    EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival

    Song Wishlist: Alone, Let Me Sleep, Brother, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, and the Mamasan Trilogy.

    Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08        ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!
  • Gibson
    Gibson Chicago Posts: 2,671
    Curious what PJ premium prices are this year...
    1998: Barrie  2000: Toronto  2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Toronto  2006: Toronto 1&2, Paris, Milan, Torino, Pistoia  2009: Calgary, Vancouver  2011: Canada  2013: London, Wrigley, Philly 1&2  2014: St. Louis, ACL 1, Detroit  2016: Lexington, Quebec, Ottawa, Toronto 1&2, Fenway 1&2, Wrigley 1&2  2017: EV - Louisville  2018: London 1&2, Milan, Padova, Rome, Prague, Krakow, Berlin, Wrigley 1&2, Fenway 1&2  2020: Toronto, Ottawa, Hamilton  2021: London 1&2  2022: Hamilton, Toronto  2023: Chicago 1&2, Noblesville  2024: Seattle 1&2, Noblesville, Wrigley 1&2

  • Go Animal
    Go Animal Posts: 7,351
    dmbolp said:
    Indy PJ Premium requires Fan-Verify...
    Hard pass, regardless.
    PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 & 05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01 & 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles (Inglewood) I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18 & 09/19/23: Austin I & II, 05/16 & 05/18/24: Las Vegas I & II, 08/29 & 08/31/24: Wrigley Field I & II, 09/03 & 09/04/24: MSG I & II, 09/27 & 09/29/24: Ohana Festival I & II

    EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival

    Song Wishlist: Alone, Let Me Sleep, Brother, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, and the Mamasan Trilogy.

    Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08        ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!
  • Go Animal
    Go Animal Posts: 7,351
    2000+, now 1440th in queue lol
    PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 & 05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01 & 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles (Inglewood) I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18 & 09/19/23: Austin I & II, 05/16 & 05/18/24: Las Vegas I & II, 08/29 & 08/31/24: Wrigley Field I & II, 09/03 & 09/04/24: MSG I & II, 09/27 & 09/29/24: Ohana Festival I & II

    EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival

    Song Wishlist: Alone, Let Me Sleep, Brother, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, and the Mamasan Trilogy.

    Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08        ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!
  • Discopij
    Discopij Posts: 480
    I wish this would work ... but the reality is this tour is the first where PJ Premium constitutes nearly all of the best seats.  Even MSG last year, most of the best seats (close sides, floor, etc) were held by 10C.  There were some PJP for sure, but not nearly as many as there are this time around.  Since 10Clubbers don't have most of the best seats, there will be no way for us to upgrade through each other like we have in the past.  And even though we will be blown away by the sticker shock of the PJP seats, they will disappear quickly for the popular shows.
  • Eddieredder
    Eddieredder Posts: 753
    Discopij said:
    I wish this would work ... but the reality is this tour is the first where PJ Premium constitutes nearly all of the best seats.  Even MSG last year, most of the best seats (close sides, floor, etc) were held by 10C.  There were some PJP for sure, but not nearly as many as there are this time around.  Since 10Clubbers don't have most of the best seats, there will be no way for us to upgrade through each other like we have in the past.  And even though we will be blown away by the sticker shock of the PJP seats, they will disappear quickly for the popular shows.
    Don't assume Premium means the best seats. They sell some pretty bad tix as Premium. 
  • NewfieintheUSA
    NewfieintheUSA Posts: 2,416
    Only premium seats and lawn for Indy

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