Official 2023 Ticket Lottery Results Thread

cifrancgx

hankdiesel said:

cifrancgx said:

incognitony said:

My request has unfulfilled for the status now. 

Mine does as well. The Status says "Processing Complete" and when I open it next to my request (I only put in for 2 "Reserved · Seating" tickets to the Indy show) it says "Unfulfilled".  So I guess I am out of luck.

where would i find this information at?

I went to the link in the "Your Pearl Jam Ten Club Ticket Request" email I got when I originally put in the request.  Here is the link...

https://tenclub-us.shop.ticketstoday.com/Requests.aspx

Ince.es

hankdiesel said:

cifrancgx said:

incognitony said:

My request has unfulfilled for the status now. 

Mine does as well. The Status says "Processing Complete" and when I open it next to my request (I only put in for 2 "Reserved · Seating" tickets to the Indy show) it says "Unfulfilled".  So I guess I am out of luck.

where would i find this information at?

https://tenclub-us.shop.ticketstoday.com/Requests.aspx

My both requests say "Unfulfilled". Let's see if I get the VF code...

Lanternjaw

LukinTimer said:

Hoagie Breath said:

"First and foremost, this is a lottery. When you pick the shows you would like to attend, its asks you to prioritize them. Now this the hard pill that everyone seems to be having a hard time swallowing......you have to win the lottery for the show you selected to get tickets.

I repeat, you have to first win the lottery for the show, and yes there is a separate lottery drawing for each show from the fans that selected the particular show, but you have to win the lottery first.

Priority and seniority do not come into play during the lottery process."

So, you are saying there is a pre-lottery, lottery? Has that information every been shared in a "how ticketing works" explanation from 10c or TM? If it was, I must have missed it. 

So you're theory is that everyone who has, say... St Paul Night 1 on their list at all is put into the pre-lottery lottery, it doesn't matter what their priority selection is. Then tickets are distributed to the people who won the pre-lottery lottery based on priority. 

Huh. I guess that could be happening. But I don't think that detials has evern been shared if that is indeed the way they are doing it. (Unless i missed it.)   

It’s a lottery for every show.  If you picked every show then you go into every lottery, regardless of priority.  Maybe you get more lottery balls for your top picks?  No idea…

But if you get lucky and win your lottery(s) then that’s when your seniority comes into play for seating assignments.

At least that’s how I understand it.  Guessing if you put in for only one show your lottery odds are improved but again - I have no idea… 

Gern Blansten

What a fucking disaster. And we are supposed to trust tm to sort this out? 

Weston1283

There was nothing wrong with the lotteries in recent years.  Don’t they always say if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it?

Hope this is the end of the Res/GA option experience.  Congrats to the lucky 1% who actually scored Noblesville tickets 

aisleseats

Just want to remind everyone that all but one of these shows are in the same time zone. So Verified Fan will (almost) all be going on sale at the same time, and TM only allows you to be in one queue at a time. So, choose whichever show is most important to you and go for that one. 

jmbethony

Wtf?

The Ten Club presale will now end Wednesday, April 26.

Ten Club Members-Only Ticket Request Confirmations will be sent out on a show-by-show basis over the course of 3 days, beginning Monday, April 24 and ending Wednesday, April 26.

steven87

Wow, looks like I missed a lot overnight. Can someone give me a very quick update (cause I don’t have time to read through all this)? I had Chicago N1 (checked all options- GA/Reserved, Reserved, and Rear/Side) as 1st priority and when I click on the ticket status link, it says unfulfilled. So I’m assuming that means I lost, despite the fact that other people who had that show ranked as priority 2 or 3 won. However, I haven’t yet received an email confirming that I lost. Does anyone know if they have run the lottery for the side/rear view tickets yet?

Beachman44

Doug87 said:

iwasthere said:

Ledbetterdays said:

The thing is I am pretty sure Austin had some of the same issues. My 163xxx seat is behind someone with 433xxx. Seems slightly off. 

Yeah, My 173,xxx seat is also behind some MUCH higher numbers in Austin. Which are in almost an identical location each night. 

This leads me to believe that the real issue for Indy, St Paul, and Chicago isn’t seating by seniority.

it’s that priority 1 people got screwed hence why it was halted.

Was less of an issue for Texas so no need to redo, otherwise, why wouldn’t they be redoing Texas as well.

seems to have similar inconsistencies seating wise.

my belief is they saw how St Paul, Chicago and Indy got screwed up and stopped it then and there and changed the process and implemented it when they moved on to Texas.

then tonight they realized there’s no way to fix St Paul, Indy, and Chicago without redoing seats as likely many more priority ones to accommodate that would have been stuck with seats completely inconsistent with their seniority as in like 100xxx - 250xxx people in the 200 level, etc. so you make the announcement. 

We’ll see tomorrow but I feel pretty good about this hypothesis.

I hope you are right. Friend and I are in this boat. Both P1 for St. Paul. Both nothing. Status shows unfulfilled now. Thinking it is over for us. 

OfThePearl

machinehum said:

PJNB said:

machinehum said:

PJNB said:

machinehum said:

jimjam1982 said:

machinehum said:

Hoagie Breath said:

baldog27 said:

I got a good one (All Selections were GA/Res Option)
1.  Chi 2 Lost
2.  Chi 1 Lost
3.  Noble Lost
4.  St Paul 1 Lost
5.  Austin 1 Lost
6.  St Paul 2 Lost

7.  Austin 2 WON

Let me fix this for you.

I got a good one (All Selections were GA/Res Option)
1.  Chi 2 Lost -- LOST LOTTERY 
2.  Chi 1 Lost -- LOST LOTTERY 
3.  Noble Lost -- LOST LOTTERY 
4.  St Paul 1 Lost  -- LOST LOTTERY 
5.  Austin 1 Lost -- LOST LOTTERY 
6.  St Paul 2 Lost -- LOST LOTTERY 

7.  Austin 2 WON -- WON LOTTERY

You have to win the lottery for the show you selected FIRST to even be in the ticket pool.

If you do win , thats when priority and seniority applies. 

Been this way since 2020 tour. 

Some shows are higher in demand then others, thus the reason you won seats with 7th priority.

The only way to fix this and to erase all the confusion is to make the lottery selection a separate process and send the emails to everyone win or lose. Then everyone knows if they won or lost for that show. Then those that won, priority and seniority would then apply to the seat you get.

Yeah its an extra step, but maybe Pearl Jam could convince TM to do it in the future.

Is there a source for this? It would explain a lot if that's actually been publicly stated at some point. 

No it is a completely made up fallacy.

https://blog.ticketmaster.com/pearl-jam-tour-2023/

Go down to the how do tickets work for 10c members?  It factually states tickets are randomized with consideration based on priority. Ergo, priority 1 should always trump priority 2 and so forth.

It says "To level the playing field, ticket requests are fulfilled in a randomized selection process while still considering show priority." 

"Ergo, priority 1 should always trump priority 2 and so forth" definitely does not follow from that statement. In fact they leave it deliberately vague. 

Consider Person A, Person B, and shows GG, OK, LY. Priorities highest to lowest: 

Person A: GG, LY, OK. 
Person B. GG, OK, LY. 

GG and LY have greater demand than supply. OK does not. 

Person A gets chosen for GG, Person B does not. 

Person B gets chosen for OK and LY. Person A does not. 

Now, person B has gotten a ticket for OK at #3, whereas A did not get it at #2. According to your theory, that's definitely B A D. Furthermore, person B got two shows and Person A only got one!

On the other hand, Person A got their first choice, and Person B didn't. So maybe it all balances out? People will have different opinions, and those are the kinds of factors that go into trying to design a process for this scenario. 

If the people designing the solution make different choices, there's a world where Person A gets GG and LY, Person B gets only OK. Now Person A has their first pick (B doesn't), and more shows than B, but B has OK even though they had a lower priority on it than Person A did. Is that Bad and Wrong and Person A should definitely have gotten that seat instead, making for a clean sweep? 

I think you have some of this messed up with your example but in no way should LY hit for Person B and Person A misses. Thats not how this has ever worked or should work. 

It may be true that it hasn't worked that way before. Dunno. I respect your opinion that this isn't how it should work, I also disagree. Reasonable people can have a different opinion on that. Personally, I think that since Person A already got their first choice *and* third choice, and Person B didn't, it's more than reasonable for Person B to hit LY while Person A doesn't. And I'm not saying this exact thing is happening here. I'm just trying to illustrate that different people can reasonably have different opinions about what is most "fair", and you can't please everybody, and with a matrix of three different inputs (show, priority, GA/Reserve vs. only Reserve) across thousands of people, a lot of people are going to be unhappy and think it makes no sense no matter what you do. 

It's also possible that their selection process is entirely unfair and idiotic -- but I don't think we have the evidence to say that, and I think people are far underestimating how difficult a problem this is to solve when one requirement is a futile hope to have at least a veneer of "fairness" across the opinions of tens of thousands of people. 

Explain to me how 8 people I know put Chicago night 2 as a first and only pick. They have not heard anything yet and others put it as a 3rd pick and won. Also the people that put it as a 3rd pick won 4 other shows. 

Good question. I don't know. I also don't know that all of those assertions are true (and neither do you), which makes it a tough discussion to have. We also don't know what selections they all made beyond show date, nor do we know that the people who haven't heard anything yet won't hear anything, nor do we know that the people who made it their first and only pick weren't disqualified (correctly or incorrectly) for some perceived attempt to game the system (which is a stated policy), nor do we know a thousand other things. Which is annoying. But also makes me not super keen on making judgements just yet, when the process hasn't even completed. 

I got notified of the tickets I won in reverse order of the priority I ranked them in. I see that a lot of people are reporting that they have gottten their 3rd, 4th, 6th choices but not their 1st or 2nd. I think their 1st and 2nd choices are forthcoming, and they just have not gotten those emails yet, especially in the case of Chicago, that involves the largest # of tickets. Also, it seems lower member #s started being notified first, so higher #s may have to wait longer to get their final confirmations. The process isn't over yet, so many of these situations that seem like discrepancies, may actually resolve as the process completes.

That said, Austin1 was my #1 priority and last to be confirmed. I also was one of those that got a second ticket confirmation for that show (a worse ticket, that they reversed a few minutes later). So I see that glitches can arise that don't exactly inspire confidence. Hopefully they will continue to tweak and improve our system.

I love the fact that we know our seat assignments right away, a huge improvement. I'm sure the whole system is more complex than meets the eye.

* IT IS NOT ALLOWING ME TO EDIT THIS.
  I WROTE IT BEFORE I HAD TIME TO TRUDGE THROUGH 40 + PAGES OF THIS NIGHTMARE, AND NO LONGER WISH TO COMMENT.

@kat

PLEASE DELETE POST

MickeyMouse

aisleseats said:

Just want to remind everyone that all but one of these shows are in the same time zone. So Verified Fan will (almost) all be going on sale at the same time, and TM only allows you to be in one queue at a time. So, choose whichever show is most important to you and go for that one. 

This is incorrect. You are allowed to be in multiple queues for different shows, but not the same queue on multiple devices or windows. Just last week I was in 4 queues at the same time for 4 different dates for an artist.

It’s also really unlikely in this case someone will get VF for multiple shows since there are so few tickets available.

pearluke

Struck out on both Minnesota shows
member since 1996
didnt put any other requests in

Ince.es

MickeyMouse said:

aisleseats said:

Just want to remind everyone that all but one of these shows are in the same time zone. So Verified Fan will (almost) all be going on sale at the same time, and TM only allows you to be in one queue at a time. So, choose whichever show is most important to you and go for that one. 

This is incorrect. You are allowed to be in multiple queues for different shows, but not the same queue on multiple devices or windows. Just last week I was in 4 queues at the same time for 4 different dates for an artist.

It’s also really unlikely in this case someone will get VF for multiple shows since there are so few tickets available.

So we should receive a different code for each show?

Leezestarr313

given2fly23 said:

JESUS. FUCKING. CHRIST.

Where do people read this?
In regards to the whole process, it feels like the more shows you can afford to enter for, the better your chances are. I got zilch for Noblesville and Chicago 2 (no rejection email either). Had I also entered for other cities, I’d probably have scored on a sixth or higher priority.

CopperTom

riley540 said:

RatherStarved said:

Anyone get any actual rejection emails yet? 

Dear 10C member, 

FUCK YOU. 

Sincerely, 

Tickets today 

My status changed to "unfulfilled."  Fuck.

MickeyMouse

Ince.es said:

MickeyMouse said:

aisleseats said:

Just want to remind everyone that all but one of these shows are in the same time zone. So Verified Fan will (almost) all be going on sale at the same time, and TM only allows you to be in one queue at a time. So, choose whichever show is most important to you and go for that one. 

This is incorrect. You are allowed to be in multiple queues for different shows, but not the same queue on multiple devices or windows. Just last week I was in 4 queues at the same time for 4 different dates for an artist.

It’s also really unlikely in this case someone will get VF for multiple shows since there are so few tickets available.

So we should receive a different code for each show?

Honestly that really depends. I know some VF sales where the code worked for any show, and some where it tied to the specific show you requested/were granted. Anything else would be pure speculation.

I just know you are 100% allowed to be in multiple TM queues at the same time on a computer, just not the same queue signed into the same account on multiple devices. 

jefft

Wtf 

NewfieintheUSA

jefft said:

Wtf 

Amateur hour

sean9769

gjackx said:

How will brokers even provide the tickets for all the shows not Chicago?  They can't be shared/forwarded.  I'm sure screenshots are a no no!  Very curious how this can even work.....

They can't. Much like the previous tour where they could only do it in Denver and NYC the Chicago show would be it.  Any other show you see tix posted for is likely a scam Also, the last time out you saw them for Camden because Live Nation amphitheaters have season ticket holders who can freely sell whatever shows they don't attend. Not sure if the Indianapolis venue is LN or not 

NewfieintheUSA

sean9769 said:

gjackx said:

How will brokers even provide the tickets for all the shows not Chicago?  They can't be shared/forwarded.  I'm sure screenshots are a no no!  Very curious how this can even work.....

They can't. Much like the previous tour where they could only do it in Denver and NYC the Chicago show would be it.  Any other show you see tix posted for is likely a scam Also, the last time out you saw them for Camden because Live Nation amphitheaters have season ticket holders who can freely sell whatever shows they don't attend. Not sure if the Indianapolis venue is LN or not 

They sell the TM account login details.